[Framers] Page X of Y, redux, except not quite

[Lin Sims]

So here I am at the new job, and we're setting up FM templates. My
coworker, who has established the house styles/layouts, had set up the old
Word template with X of Y numbering, EXCEPT

   - Page numbering for the body of the document, which is to say after all
   the front matter, (X) starts at 1.
   - Total page count (Y) does NOT include all the front matter (Cover,
   Inside Cover, RevisionHistory, TOC) or the Back Cover.

Creating X is easy-peazy, of course. But how to create Y?

[This may be something Word has over Frame, because in Word I was able to
set up a formula in the field code to calculate what Y would be and it was
all nicely automated. I've never come across something like that for Frame.
And I cannot believe I'm saying that Word does something better than Frame
...]

I've come up with two workarounds.

One is described in the Adobe forums and consists of inserting the
<$lastpagenum> building block on the virtual "last page" and then xrefing
to it from all the master pages that have X of Y in their footer frames.

The other is to set up a new variable (of Y), manually updating its value
to the last page number right before release, and importing variables to
the other files in the book.

Both of these are doable but (to me) clunky and inelegant. Is there a
better way already available? Because if not, I foresee me spending a
considerable amount of time learning javascript then extendscript in the
hopes that I can figure one out.

I like my coworker, but he does NOT make things simple for me. ;-)

-- 
Lin Sims
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Re: [Framers] Putting Text in a gray box? - Can it be a para tag?

[Robert Lauriston]

In FrameMaker, is there any way to create a block of code you can
select by double- or triple-clicking?

That seems far more useful to me than the appearance. If the box
doesn't indicate that I'd just skip it.

I certainly wouldn't wrap the code in a table since that can make
extra work when you're generating HTML or migrating from FrameMaker to
another tool.

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 11:25 PM, Caroline Tabach
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am going to import a set of Word files to Frame.
>
> I am working on setting up a template in Frame which contains styles that
> look like the styles in Word (where this is feasible)
>
> The Word template put program code in a little grey box.
>
> i.e the text is courier etc. with a border around it, and pale grey fill.
>
> Can such a paragraph tag be made in FrameMaker? If so, how?
>
> I do not mind spending time setting this up, but after this I would want to
> use it easily using keyboard shortcuts (F9 etc)
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Re: [Framers] Putting Text in a gray box? - Can it be a para tag?

[Fred Ridder]

If your deliverable is a PDF and you embed the font in the file, there should 
be absolutely no problem on any platform. If your deliverable is something 
other than a PDF, it could be a whole different matter.


-FR



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Subject: Re: [Framers] Putting Text in a gray box? - Can it be a para tag?

I liked that font when I first discovered it, but can it be seen well on
any system?

Caroline Tabach

בתאריך יום ה׳, 10 במאי 2018, 19:21, מאת Jack DeLand ‏:

> " a monospaced font such as Courier."
> Might one suggest using Source Code Pro here? It's Adobe, it's free, and
> is becoming increasingly popular with developers.
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Re: [Framers] Putting Text in a gray box? - Can it be a para tag?

[Caroline Tabach]

I liked that font when I first discovered it, but can it be seen well on
any system?

Caroline Tabach

בתאריך יום ה׳, 10 במאי 2018, 19:21, מאת Jack DeLand ‏:

> " a monospaced font such as Courier."
> Might one suggest using Source Code Pro here? It's Adobe, it's free, and
> is becoming increasingly popular with developers.
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Re: [Framers] Putting Text in a gray box? - Can it be a para tag?

[Fred Ridder]

Another modern monospaced font that has become fairly popular as an alternative 
to variations on clunky old Courier is Consolas, which has been distributed 
with  Windows OS since the days of Windows Vista. It has good differentiation 
of the various easily mistaken character pairs (1 and lower-case L, 5 and 
upper-case S, etc) and even has a slashed 0 to eliminate confusion with 
upper-case Os.


-FR


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Subject: Re: [Framers] Putting Text in a gray box? - Can it be a para tag?

" a monospaced font such as Courier."
Might one suggest using Source Code Pro here? It's Adobe, it's free, and is 
becoming increasingly popular with developers.

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Re: [Framers] Putting Text in a gray box? - Can it be a para tag?

[Jack DeLand]

" a monospaced font such as Courier."
Might one suggest using Source Code Pro here? It's Adobe, it's free, and is 
becoming increasingly popular with developers.

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Re: [Framers] Putting Text in a gray box? - Can it be a para tag?

[Monique Semp]

   My setup doesn't have any one-cell or one-page restrictions, and
   enables easy copy/paste of the code from the generated PDF.
   (I read the other replies, and actually am unclear as to whether a
   solution has already been provided. Sorry if this is redundant info.)
   I've used a combo of table style and para styles. The table style's
   "Basic" settings are for the cell margins, spacing, etc. And although I
   haven't put outside borders, the table's rulings properties provide
   this via the "Heading and Footing Ruling" and "Outside Ruling"
   settings. The table's shading properties are where I define the gray
   shadings.
   The first row is designated as a heading row, and I've used a "table
   heading code" para style to include a variable for the "continued"
   variable -- in my case, I'm using the built-in "Table Sheet" variable.
   Then the remaining table rows are each of "table code lines" para
   style, which is where I've defined the code font (I'm using Consolas 9
   pt), and other para styles.
   I actually have three table styles for code listings to cover the three
   possible indentation levels: "Code Listing" for alignment with body
   text (well, all the code tables are slightly indented via the table's
   Left setting for Indents & Spacing), "Code Listing 2" for
   alignment/slight-offset under a bullet or first-level procedure
   step/numbered list, and "Code Listing 3" for the next level. The "2"
   and "3" table styles are identical to the "regular" table, except for
   the left indent.
   HTH,
   -Monique
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Re: [Framers] Putting Text in a gray box? - Can it be a para tag?

[Simon BUCH]

The delights of formatting ...

You can make a gray box by making a table format, with specific ruling 
and shading properties. Then insert a table with 1 cell, 1 row.
The only down-side to this is that FrameMaker will only allow a cell to 
be 1 page long.


You may also want to specify the table design to use a specific 
paragraph format for your mono-spaced Courier font, with the Paragraph 
Designer > Advanced > Word Spacing properties set with the minimum, 
maximum, and optimum spacing = 100% ; otherwise the spacing of the font 
may look bizarre at times.



// Simon BUCH



On 10/05/2018 12:29, Rick Quatro wrote:

This is as close as you can get with FrameMaker. You can make adjustments to
eliminate the white areas and improve the spacing of the top and bottom
rules, but you can't get a border on the left and right sides of the
paragraph.

  




  

  


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r...@frameexpert.com

585-366-4017

  





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Re: [Framers] Putting Text in a gray box? - Can it be a para tag?

[Caroline Tabach]

I saw it now.
It looks good.

Thanks for your help

Caroline Tabach

בתאריך יום ה׳, 10 במאי 2018, 14:40, מאת Rick Quatro ‏<r...@rickquatro.com>:

> I am sorry, it looks like my screenshot got stripped out.
>
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> On
> Behalf Of Rick Quatro
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> Subject: Re: [Framers] Putting Text in a gray box? - Can it be a para tag?
>
> This is as close as you can get with FrameMaker. You can make adjustments
> to
> eliminate the white areas and improve the spacing of the top and bottom
> rules, but you can't get a border on the left and right sides of the
> paragraph.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rick Quatro
>
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
>
> r...@frameexpert.com
>
> 585-366-4017
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> On
> Behalf Of Caroline Tabach
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> Subject: [Framers] Putting Text in a gray box? - Can it be a para tag?
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I am going to import a set of Word files to Frame.
>
>
>
> I am working on setting up a template in Frame which contains styles that
> look like the styles in Word (where this is feasible)
>
>
>
> The Word template put program code in a little grey box.
>
>
>
> i.e the text is courier etc. with a border around it, and pale grey fill.
>
>
>
> Can such a paragraph tag be made in FrameMaker? If so, how?
>
>
>
> I do not mind spending time setting this up, but after this I would want to
> use it easily using keyboard shortcuts (F9 etc)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> --
>
> Caroline Tabach
>
> Technical/Marcom Writer
>
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Re: [Framers] Putting Text in a gray box? - Can it be a para tag?

[Rick Quatro]

I am sorry, it looks like my screenshot got stripped out.

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On
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Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 7:29 AM
To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'

Subject: Re: [Framers] Putting Text in a gray box? - Can it be a para tag?

This is as close as you can get with FrameMaker. You can make adjustments to
eliminate the white areas and improve the spacing of the top and bottom
rules, but you can't get a border on the left and right sides of the
paragraph.

 



 

 

Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

r...@frameexpert.com

585-366-4017

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On
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Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 2:26 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: [Framers] Putting Text in a gray box? - Can it be a para tag?

 

Hi,

 

I am going to import a set of Word files to Frame.

 

I am working on setting up a template in Frame which contains styles that
look like the styles in Word (where this is feasible)

 

The Word template put program code in a little grey box.

 

i.e the text is courier etc. with a border around it, and pale grey fill.

 

Can such a paragraph tag be made in FrameMaker? If so, how?

 

I do not mind spending time setting this up, but after this I would want to
use it easily using keyboard shortcuts (F9 etc)

 

 

 

 

Thanks

 

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Re: [Framers] Putting Text in a gray box? - Can it be a para tag?

[Rick Quatro]

This is as close as you can get with FrameMaker. You can make adjustments to
eliminate the white areas and improve the spacing of the top and bottom
rules, but you can't get a border on the left and right sides of the
paragraph.

 



 

 

Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

r...@frameexpert.com

585-366-4017

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Framers <framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com> On
Behalf Of Caroline Tabach
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 2:26 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
<framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: [Framers] Putting Text in a gray box? - Can it be a para tag?

 

Hi,

 

I am going to import a set of Word files to Frame.

 

I am working on setting up a template in Frame which contains styles that
look like the styles in Word (where this is feasible)

 

The Word template put program code in a little grey box.

 

i.e the text is courier etc. with a border around it, and pale grey fill.

 

Can such a paragraph tag be made in FrameMaker? If so, how?

 

I do not mind spending time setting this up, but after this I would want to
use it easily using keyboard shortcuts (F9 etc)

 

 

 

 

Thanks

 

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Technical/Marcom Writer

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Re: [Framers] Putting Text in a gray box? - Can it be a para tag?

[shuttie27]

Hello CarolineAs far as I know, there is no way to create such a paragraph 
format directly in Frame. The alternative in Frame is to put the text in a 
one-cell table. You can define the background colour for a table cell, and 
borders as desired, and save it as a reusable table format.You can 
semi-automate the process with a plugin called AutoText, which I think is free 
(working from increasingly dim memory here, as I don't use FM much these 
days).One caveat occurs to me, and that is that in FM, unlike Word, a table 
cell cannot span a page break, so long pieces of code could be problematic.It I 
were doing it, I would forgo the shading and just demarcate the code with 
appropriate white space and, as you say, a monospaced font such as Courier.
Hope this helps. As I said, I'm working from memory so some of the details 
given above may be inaccurate!
Roger


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 Original message From: Caroline Tabach 
 Date: 10/05/2018  07:25  (GMT+00:00) To: "An email 
list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." 
 Subject: [Framers] Putting Text in a gray box? - 
Can it be a para tag? 
Hi,

I am going to import a set of Word files to Frame.

I am working on setting up a template in Frame which contains styles that
look like the styles in Word (where this is feasible)

The Word template put program code in a little grey box.

i.e the text is courier etc. with a border around it, and pale grey fill.

Can such a paragraph tag be made in FrameMaker? If so, how?

I do not mind spending time setting this up, but after this I would want to
use it easily using keyboard shortcuts (F9 etc)




Thanks

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Technical/Marcom Writer
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[Framers] Putting Text in a gray box? - Can it be a para tag?

[Caroline Tabach]

Hi,

I am going to import a set of Word files to Frame.

I am working on setting up a template in Frame which contains styles that
look like the styles in Word (where this is feasible)

The Word template put program code in a little grey box.

i.e the text is courier etc. with a border around it, and pale grey fill.

Can such a paragraph tag be made in FrameMaker? If so, how?

I do not mind spending time setting this up, but after this I would want to
use it easily using keyboard shortcuts (F9 etc)




Thanks

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Technical/Marcom Writer
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