Re: [Framers] Framemaker v7.0 Quick Reference card (FREE)
On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 2:35 PM Theresa de Valence wrote: > I know that some users of older Frame versions were looking for > documentation. I've just discovered ONE(1. > ... When I first wrote the first line, I wrote > "older Frame users" > which I realized must constitute most of us! > It's odd to realize that there is a generation of tech writers younger than the software they're using! :) ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Framemaker v7.0 Quick Reference card (FREE)
Dennis, the cheat sheet is a tri-fold stiff cardboard published by Adobe ©2003. Part Number 9003 7318 (05/02W). On 8/25/2020 5:50 PM, Dennis Hays wrote: Who originally published that 3-panel cheat sheet? Dennis On August 25, 2020 3:36:00 PM Theresa de Valence wrote: I know that some users of older Frame versions were looking for documentation. I've just discovered ONE(1) Version 7 for Windows Quick Reference Card which I can mail to anyone who wants it. It's 3 panels of card stock which fold together. Each panel is approx 7.5" (19 mm) x 8.5" (22 mm). When I first wrote the first line, I wrote "older Frame users" which I realized must constitute most of us! Cheers, Theresa ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- Dennis Hays Writer - Editor - Photographer "Write with fire; cut with ice." ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Framemaker v7.0 Quick Reference card (FREE)
Theresa Who originally published that 3-panel cheat sheet? Dennis On August 25, 2020 3:36:00 PM Theresa de Valence wrote: I know that some users of older Frame versions were looking for documentation. I've just discovered ONE(1) Version 7 for Windows Quick Reference Card which I can mail to anyone who wants it. It's 3 panels of card stock which fold together. Each panel is approx 7.5" (19 mm) x 8.5" (22 mm). When I first wrote the first line, I wrote "older Frame users" which I realized must constitute most of us! Cheers, Theresa ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- Dennis Hays Writer - Editor - Photographer "Write with fire; cut with ice." ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Framemaker v7.0 Quick Reference card (FREE)
Theresa, I would love a copy of that quick reference card. Thank you. Bobbi Hennessey On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 6:03 PM Theresa de Valence wrote: > I know that some users of older Frame versions were looking for > documentation. I've just discovered ONE(1) Version 7 for Windows Quick > Reference Card which I can mail to anyone who wants it. > > It's 3 panels of card stock which fold together. Each panel is approx > 7.5" (19 mm) x 8.5" (22 mm). > > When I first wrote the first line, I wrote > "older Frame users" > which I realized must constitute most of us! > > Cheers, > Theresa > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based
Lin, That link mentioned FM _server_ versions, not the FM applications ... unless I overlooked something? Thanks! Z Lin Sims said: > This is an authoritative list of all of Adobe's products and when they went > End of Life and when Extended Support was ended. I hope it helps. > https://helpx.adobe.com/support/programs/eol-matrix.html ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame
JPG will not work for vector output - it is a bitmapped format. Try SVG if your imaging tool will support that output format. Z Doug wrote: > I want to make an image with text in it that will retain its sharpness when > the webpage is zoom in. As I understand things, a vector image will work for > this. How do I make a vector image with text? I've made vector text in > Photoshop and Illustrator, but when I save it to JPG it doesn't work as a > vector in Frame. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based
I used the TLP to update FM and Acrobat for a couple of years - was before FM 11 was released, I think. Had to stop because Adobe told me that I had to have a _minimum_ number of licenses to qualify for renewal - I think it was 10 copies, but not sure. Which we certainly did not have (no need for it in a small company), so I had to let TLP drop too. Z Lin Sims said: > I can't speak to the TLP or CLP programs. I've never used them and have no > information on them. On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 10:37 AM Harding, Dan wrote: > Can we get some confirmation from Adobe on this? This came up back in > October of 2019, and at that time they stated that perpetual licenses > through the TLP were still going to be supported. The TLP website is > still active and doesn't say anything about being discontinued. > > -Dan ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based
Hi, Doug, et. al. As far as I am concerned, yes! For you, the cost to go from 2017 to 2020 is likely to be quite expensive, since you skipped FM 2019, once FM 2020 is released! For sure, If you are on FM 2015 (or older), you have to essentially get a new license to do an "upgrade". As some of you all know, I believed that a time of "no-more-perpetual-licenses" would come to pass ... when Adobe first announced the subscription model! So, I stopped all FM upgrades as of FM 12. The cost was/is _unreasonably_ expensive if you are _more_ than a version old, essentially forcing a new license purchase. Plus, I do not choose to use subscription models for any software I get. It may well be fine for many people - so what I believe does not apply to you all, of course! I wish to retain the ability to fire up an old tool - even if not in use currently - and redo work. With a subscription model, if you are not actively using the tool, it is costly ... if everyone thought this way, it would be a significant monthly charge and unacceptable. Anyway, I migrated all my _new_ documents to LaTeX (works beautifully for _my_ needs - with semi-real-time PDF previews, etc.), and only bring up FM 12 to do simple changes to old documents. I have to figure out how to migrate that old FM12 license to a new computer I just got though ... I am not sure how long Adobe will allow me to do this (or if now too!). If not possible, I will revert to an even older version of FM - still have licenses for FM 7.2 for example that does not require activation ... just have to save all my docs in compatible MIF. For anything likely to need more than a few days of edits to an old FM document, I convert from the PDF to LaTeX - the extra day or so to do that pays off completely. Again, it is _important_ to emphasize that my specific needs are well-met with LaTeX, but that this may not be true for you all, of course! YMMV. Also, I have found excellent alternatives to all the Adobe products I was using, with one exception that I have to find the time to check out - a replacement for Acrobat Pro (will look at FlexiPDF from SoftMaker soon - just bought a copy). Not because I dislike Acrobat Pro per se, but because I think it too is heading to a subscription model. I am only on this list for historical reasons ... ... began using FM on a Sun 3/50 in 1988 (_way_ prior to the acquisition of Frame Technology) and like to hear about what people are up to. Regards, Z -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Doug Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 9:59 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based We use FM 2017...do we need to be wary of Adobe making us pay them more money in the future? On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 10:48 AM Simon BUCH wrote: > FYI > > Despite what I was told last year: > > "/Customers will still be able to purchase perpetual licenses of all > the above-mentioned products through Channel (Adobe authorized > resellers) under Transactional Licensing Program (TLP) and > Cumulative Licensing Program (CLP) even after 1 July 2019./" > > ... it appears that Adobe has made the decision that the purchase of > perpetual licenses only applies to Adobe FrameMaker 15 AKA 2019 release. > As quoted from the Adobe Territory Account Manager: > > "/FrameMaker 2019 will be available in Perpetual format. > This mean, internet will not be required to keep the license active. > This should be available for limited time." > / > > and /that//:/ > > /"Going forward, all the FrameMaker versions will only be available > in Subscription.// > //That said, we still can support these licenses in an offline > environment./" > > But no further information was given. > > Currently subscription costs stand at approximately US$30 / GB£30.34 / > €UR 36 / AU$45 etc. per month. > > > Regards > // Simon BUCH > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to
Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame
WMF and EMF are also vector formats. I use WMF. On 25-Aug-20 10:26 PM, Doug wrote: I want to make an image with text in it that will retain its sharpness when the webpage is zoom in. As I understand things, a vector image will work for this. How do I make a vector image with text? I've made vector text in Photoshop and Illustrator, but when I save it to JPG it doesn't work as a vector in Frame. Thanks! Doug ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame
Thanks all...SVG format did it for me. On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:34 PM Lin Sims wrote: > JPG is a raster format, not a vector format. Use SVG or PDF instead. > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:26 PM Doug wrote: > > > I want to make an image with text in it that will retain its sharpness > when > > the webpage is zoom in. As I understand things, a vector image will work > > for this. How do I make a vector image with text? I've made vector text > > in Photoshop and Illustrator, but when I save it to JPG it doesn't work > as > > a vector in Frame. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Doug > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame
That's because JPG is a raster (i.e. fixed resolution) image format. You need to use a file format that contains vector images or that can contain both raster and vector data. For FrameMaker, this typically means EPS, PDF, or EMF/WMF. When I was still using FrameMaker regularly, I usually used PDF cropped to contain the image with minimal whitespace borders. One advantage of PDF is that FrameMaker displays a better likeness of the graphic in the document view than it does with other vector formats (but this may have improved in more recent versions of Frame than I last used.) -Fred From: Framers on behalf of Doug Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 3:26 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame I want to make an image with text in it that will retain its sharpness when the webpage is zoom in. As I understand things, a vector image will work for this. How do I make a vector image with text? I've made vector text in Photoshop and Illustrator, but when I save it to JPG it doesn't work as a vector in Frame. Thanks! Doug ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frameusers.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7C10efdc41bc4c40b48a0808d8492ccbf0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637339804026952990sdata=mLPRYvKQAzQZci2CSPNCwrijd1XCTQMoaaIl12vGKhI%3Dreserved=0 Archives located at https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fframers%2540lists.frameusers.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7C10efdc41bc4c40b48a0808d8492ccbf0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637339804026962980sdata=fpf3lZ%2BEqWUf6M078JBpqJ0%2BBgXNbugCsYpuOV2hXng%3Dreserved=0 Subscribe and unsubscribe at https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.frameusers.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Fframers-frameusers.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7C10efdc41bc4c40b48a0808d8492ccbf0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637339804026962980sdata=YqsY%2FiraSMt%2FzPyk2sz3QJViTKwWuP4Q8u7uLzNLVDk%3Dreserved=0 Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Framemaker v7.0 Quick Reference card (FREE)
I know that some users of older Frame versions were looking for documentation. I've just discovered ONE(1) Version 7 for Windows Quick Reference Card which I can mail to anyone who wants it. It's 3 panels of card stock which fold together. Each panel is approx 7.5" (19 mm) x 8.5" (22 mm). When I first wrote the first line, I wrote "older Frame users" which I realized must constitute most of us! Cheers, Theresa ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame
JPG is a raster format, not a vector format. Use SVG or PDF instead. On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:26 PM Doug wrote: > I want to make an image with text in it that will retain its sharpness when > the webpage is zoom in. As I understand things, a vector image will work > for this. How do I make a vector image with text? I've made vector text > in Photoshop and Illustrator, but when I save it to JPG it doesn't work as > a vector in Frame. > > Thanks! > > Doug > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Using vector images in Frame
I want to make an image with text in it that will retain its sharpness when the webpage is zoom in. As I understand things, a vector image will work for this. How do I make a vector image with text? I've made vector text in Photoshop and Illustrator, but when I save it to JPG it doesn't work as a vector in Frame. Thanks! Doug ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Fraction Symbols
If you want a MIF file with variables for fractions including the quarters, half, thirds, fifths, sixths, eighths, tenths, and sixteenths, email me directly. Or I can ask Carol if she'd be willing to add it to the tools on the Frameusers site. On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 2:25 PM Mike Wickham wrote: > If these are variables, why are they listed as available for FrameMaker > 15 and 16 only? What would keep them from working in FM10 or FM12? > > Mike Wickham > > On 8/25/2020 6:28 AM, Dennis Hays wrote: > > I have set up a small set of variables for fractions, which can be > > imported into the Variables panel in your working document. These, and > > other 'packs' are free and available at framegoodies.us. > > > > Also, Lin Sims, I would be interested in seeing your MIF file, if you > > can send it to me directly. > > > > To all, be well! > > > > Dennis > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based
I can't speak to the TLP or CLP programs. I've never used them and have no information on them. On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 10:37 AM Harding, Dan wrote: > Can we get some confirmation from Adobe on this? This came up back in > October of 2019, and at that time they stated that perpetual licenses > through the TLP were still going to be supported. The TLP website is still > active and doesn't say anything about being discontinued. > > -Dan > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > On Behalf Of Simon BUCH > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 9:11 AM > To: Framers > Subject: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based > > FYI > > Despite what I was told last year: > > "/Customers will still be able to purchase perpetual licenses of all > the above-mentioned products through Channel (Adobe authorized > resellers) under Transactional Licensing Program (TLP) and > Cumulative Licensing Program (CLP) even after 1 July 2019./" > > ... it appears that Adobe has made the decision that the purchase of > perpetual licenses only applies to Adobe FrameMaker 15 AKA 2019 release. > As quoted from the Adobe Territory Account Manager: > > "/FrameMaker 2019 will be available in Perpetual format. > This mean, internet will not be required to keep the license active. > This should be available for limited time." > / > > and /that//:/ > > /"Going forward, all the FrameMaker versions will only be available > in Subscription.// > //That said, we still can support these licenses in an offline > environment./" > > But no further information was given. > > Currently subscription costs stand at approximately US$30 / GB£30.34 / > €UR 36 / AU$45 etc. per month. > > > Regards > // Simon BUCH > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based
As I said, they *did *provide a way to activate the CS1-3 packages without needing a server, but that was for only a short period of time and it is no longer available. My guess is that a similar thing will happen if the CS4-6 servers are deactivated. However, as I also said, I do not work for Adobe and should not be considered an authority on what they will choose to do in the future, nor should anything I say here be considered a guarantee of what they will or will not choose to do. This is an authoritative list of all of Adobe's products and when they went End of Life and when Extended Support was ended. I hope it helps. https://helpx.adobe.com/support/programs/eol-matrix.html On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 2:35 PM Mike Wickham wrote: > If Adobe is going to deactivate CS servers, they need to provide a way > to turn off the need to activate, so that the software can still run. > I'm nearing time to replace my computer, but have been holding off, > dreading the issue of dealing with CS deactivations and reactivations. > > Mike Wickham > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Fraction Symbols
Yes, that's right. I'll make some MIFs tonight/tomorrow. Dennis On August 25, 2020 2:38:56 PM Lin Sims wrote: I think he's providing FM files, not MIF. On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 2:25 PM Mike Wickham wrote: If these are variables, why are they listed as available for FrameMaker 15 and 16 only? What would keep them from working in FM10 or FM12? Mike Wickham On 8/25/2020 6:28 AM, Dennis Hays wrote: > I have set up a small set of variables for fractions, which can be > imported into the Variables panel in your working document. These, and > other 'packs' are free and available at framegoodies.us. > > Also, Lin Sims, I would be interested in seeing your MIF file, if you > can send it to me directly. > > To all, be well! > > Dennis ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- Dennis Hays Writer - Editor - Photographer "Write with fire; cut with ice." ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Fraction Symbols
I saved them as 15 & 16 (File -Save As). I don't know about earlier versions. Dennis On August 25, 2020 2:25:31 PM Mike Wickham wrote: If these are variables, why are they listed as available for FrameMaker 15 and 16 only? What would keep them from working in FM10 or FM12? Mike Wickham On 8/25/2020 6:28 AM, Dennis Hays wrote: I have set up a small set of variables for fractions, which can be imported into the Variables panel in your working document. These, and other 'packs' are free and available at framegoodies.us. Also, Lin Sims, I would be interested in seeing your MIF file, if you can send it to me directly. To all, be well! Dennis ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- Dennis Hays Writer - Editor - Photographer "Write with fire; cut with ice." ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Fraction Symbols
I think he's providing FM files, not MIF. On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 2:25 PM Mike Wickham wrote: > If these are variables, why are they listed as available for FrameMaker > 15 and 16 only? What would keep them from working in FM10 or FM12? > > Mike Wickham > > On 8/25/2020 6:28 AM, Dennis Hays wrote: > > I have set up a small set of variables for fractions, which can be > > imported into the Variables panel in your working document. These, and > > other 'packs' are free and available at framegoodies.us. > > > > Also, Lin Sims, I would be interested in seeing your MIF file, if you > > can send it to me directly. > > > > To all, be well! > > > > Dennis > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based
If Adobe is going to deactivate CS servers, they need to provide a way to turn off the need to activate, so that the software can still run. I'm nearing time to replace my computer, but have been holding off, dreading the issue of dealing with CS deactivations and reactivations. Mike Wickham On 8/25/2020 12:35 PM, Lin Sims wrote: Carol, I don't know. I don't work for Adobe. My understanding is that the activation servers for CS1-3 simply wore out and weren't maintainable anymore, the software required to perform activations can't run on the new platforms, and it would have taken a great deal of money and time for Adobe to try to port it. They weren't willing to spend those resources for a product that hasn't been for sale for almost a decade and for which even extended support was ended over a year ago. There *was *a brief time period at the end of 2019 where Adobe provided a special, you won't need an activation server, number for the CS1-3 products. I emphasize *brief*: that option is no longer available. My assumption is that if and when they retire the activation servers for CS4-6 the same will happen, but I have no way to know this for certain. Since I have none of the CS products, I also don't know if Adobe sent out a notification of this happening for CS1-3. I'm sorry I can't be of more help. (Oh, and yes, if it has CS in the name it is/was part of Creative Suites.) And standard warning: if anyone tries to get in touch with you claiming to be able to sell you Creative Suites, do not buy from them. They're scammers, and at best you will lose your money. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based
On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 12:53 PM Lin Sims wrote:
> Oh, and while I have no idea if there is a freeware equivalent to InDesign,
>
A few freeware-alikes are briefly listed here:
https://www.maketecheasier.com/free-adobe-indesign-alternatives/
Not free, Affinity has a collection of design, graphics, and publishing
tools.
GIMP is freeware and does everything Photoshop does.
Probably more than most folks need for image transmogrifying, close, but
not everything.
IMO, the Adobe photo plan $10/ subscription for both Lightroom (including
mobile, for editing photos on phones,) and Photoshop, is worth the price if
you edit only one important photo a month. If you're in business, a
negligible expense.
InDesign's long-document and book authoring, editing, and publishing tools
caught up to FrameMaker a few years ago. There are some inexpensive
third-party tools, like smart language-aware, and page-aware,
cross-references ("on opposite/previous page,") and MIF import. But if
you're bound to DITA, sorry.
I
> hate that the CC apps all have this shades of grey interface, it is very
> difficult to pick out the icon you need.
>
Could this be a clever distraction to conceal the many neglected
long-standing bugs and enhancement requests? :)
>
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Re: [Framers] Fraction Symbols
If these are variables, why are they listed as available for FrameMaker 15 and 16 only? What would keep them from working in FM10 or FM12? Mike Wickham On 8/25/2020 6:28 AM, Dennis Hays wrote: I have set up a small set of variables for fractions, which can be imported into the Variables panel in your working document. These, and other 'packs' are free and available at framegoodies.us. Also, Lin Sims, I would be interested in seeing your MIF file, if you can send it to me directly. To all, be well! Dennis ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020
https://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 2:01 PM Sean wrote: > Is there a good resource (link) that tells me what’s new and groovy with > FM 2020? > > Thanks all! > > Sean > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] FrameMaker 2020
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Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based
How does GIMP compare to Paint.net? On 25-Aug-20 8:53 PM, Lin Sims wrote: Oh, and while I have no idea if there is a freeware equivalent to InDesign, GIMP is freeware and does everything Photoshop does. Plus you can have an interface with colored icons which, let me tell you, is a nice thing. I hate that the CC apps all have this shades of grey interface, it is very difficult to pick out the icon you need. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based
Oh, and while I have no idea if there is a freeware equivalent to InDesign, GIMP is freeware and does everything Photoshop does. Plus you can have an interface with colored icons which, let me tell you, is a nice thing. I hate that the CC apps all have this shades of grey interface, it is very difficult to pick out the icon you need. -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based
Thank you so much. I do remember Shlomo, I took a few in person sessions with him. Bobbi On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 1:37 PM Lin Sims wrote: > Adobe still does the 30-day trial. > > I know because despite my company having a subscription, the only way I > could download the installation program was to fill out that stupid form. > Someone at Adobe doesn't like updating the FM associated websites and > links. > > There are quite a few trainers out there. Barb Binder and Matt Sullivan are > two of them. I think Shlomo Peretz still does some training, but I also > think he's semi-retired. I could be wrong about that. > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 1:34 PM Roberta Hennessey > wrote: > > > Hi. > > I see folks talking about FrameMaker. As someone who hasn't used the tool > > in years, does Adobe have a 30 day free trial these days? > > And does anyone know of external learning resources for someone > relearning > > Frame? Or recommendations? > > > > Bobbi > > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 1:15 PM Lin Sims wrote: > > > > > If you have a perpetual license, you will not have to pay additional > > money. > > > > > > If you want to upgrade to FM2020, though, you will be getting a > > > subscription and will have to pay to continue using the program. > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:59 PM Doug wrote: > > > > > > > We use FM 2017...do we need to be wary of Adobe making us pay them > more > > > > money in the future? > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 10:48 AM Simon BUCH > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > FYI > > > > > > > > > > Despite what I was told last year: > > > > > > > > > > "/Customers will still be able to purchase perpetual licenses > of > > > all > > > > > the above-mentioned products through Channel (Adobe authorized > > > > > resellers) under Transactional Licensing Program (TLP) and > > > > > Cumulative Licensing Program (CLP) even after 1 July 2019./" > > > > > > > > > > ... it appears that Adobe has made the decision that the purchase > of > > > > > perpetual licenses only applies to Adobe FrameMaker 15 AKA 2019 > > > release. > > > > > As quoted from the Adobe Territory Account Manager: > > > > > > > > > > "/FrameMaker 2019 will be available in Perpetual format. > > > > > This mean, internet will not be required to keep the license > > > active. > > > > > This should be available for limited time." > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > and /that//:/ > > > > > > > > > > /"Going forward, all the FrameMaker versions will only be > > available > > > > > in Subscription.// > > > > > //That said, we still can support these licenses in an offline > > > > > environment./" > > > > > > > > > > But no further information was given. > > > > > > > > > > Currently subscription costs stand at approximately US$30 / > GB£30.34 > > / > > > > > €UR 36 / AU$45 etc. per month. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > // Simon BUCH > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > > > Archives located at > > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > > Archives located at > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Lin Sims > > > ___ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > Archives located at > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > >
Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based
Adobe still does the 30-day trial. I know because despite my company having a subscription, the only way I could download the installation program was to fill out that stupid form. Someone at Adobe doesn't like updating the FM associated websites and links. There are quite a few trainers out there. Barb Binder and Matt Sullivan are two of them. I think Shlomo Peretz still does some training, but I also think he's semi-retired. I could be wrong about that. On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 1:34 PM Roberta Hennessey wrote: > Hi. > I see folks talking about FrameMaker. As someone who hasn't used the tool > in years, does Adobe have a 30 day free trial these days? > And does anyone know of external learning resources for someone relearning > Frame? Or recommendations? > > Bobbi > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 1:15 PM Lin Sims wrote: > > > If you have a perpetual license, you will not have to pay additional > money. > > > > If you want to upgrade to FM2020, though, you will be getting a > > subscription and will have to pay to continue using the program. > > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:59 PM Doug wrote: > > > > > We use FM 2017...do we need to be wary of Adobe making us pay them more > > > money in the future? > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 10:48 AM Simon BUCH > > wrote: > > > > > > > FYI > > > > > > > > Despite what I was told last year: > > > > > > > > "/Customers will still be able to purchase perpetual licenses of > > all > > > > the above-mentioned products through Channel (Adobe authorized > > > > resellers) under Transactional Licensing Program (TLP) and > > > > Cumulative Licensing Program (CLP) even after 1 July 2019./" > > > > > > > > ... it appears that Adobe has made the decision that the purchase of > > > > perpetual licenses only applies to Adobe FrameMaker 15 AKA 2019 > > release. > > > > As quoted from the Adobe Territory Account Manager: > > > > > > > > "/FrameMaker 2019 will be available in Perpetual format. > > > > This mean, internet will not be required to keep the license > > active. > > > > This should be available for limited time." > > > > / > > > > > > > > and /that//:/ > > > > > > > > /"Going forward, all the FrameMaker versions will only be > available > > > > in Subscription.// > > > > //That said, we still can support these licenses in an offline > > > > environment./" > > > > > > > > But no further information was given. > > > > > > > > Currently subscription costs stand at approximately US$30 / GB£30.34 > / > > > > €UR 36 / AU$45 etc. per month. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > // Simon BUCH > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > > Archives located at > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > ___ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > Archives located at > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > > > > -- > > Lin Sims > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative
Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based
Carol, I don't know. I don't work for Adobe. My understanding is that the activation servers for CS1-3 simply wore out and weren't maintainable anymore, the software required to perform activations can't run on the new platforms, and it would have taken a great deal of money and time for Adobe to try to port it. They weren't willing to spend those resources for a product that hasn't been for sale for almost a decade and for which even extended support was ended over a year ago. There *was *a brief time period at the end of 2019 where Adobe provided a special, you won't need an activation server, number for the CS1-3 products. I emphasize *brief*: that option is no longer available. My assumption is that if and when they retire the activation servers for CS4-6 the same will happen, but I have no way to know this for certain. Since I have none of the CS products, I also don't know if Adobe sent out a notification of this happening for CS1-3. I'm sorry I can't be of more help. (Oh, and yes, if it has CS in the name it is/was part of Creative Suites.) And standard warning: if anyone tries to get in touch with you claiming to be able to sell you Creative Suites, do not buy from them. They're scammers, and at best you will lose your money. -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based
Hi. I see folks talking about FrameMaker. As someone who hasn't used the tool in years, does Adobe have a 30 day free trial these days? And does anyone know of external learning resources for someone relearning Frame? Or recommendations? Bobbi On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 1:15 PM Lin Sims wrote: > If you have a perpetual license, you will not have to pay additional money. > > If you want to upgrade to FM2020, though, you will be getting a > subscription and will have to pay to continue using the program. > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:59 PM Doug wrote: > > > We use FM 2017...do we need to be wary of Adobe making us pay them more > > money in the future? > > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 10:48 AM Simon BUCH > wrote: > > > > > FYI > > > > > > Despite what I was told last year: > > > > > > "/Customers will still be able to purchase perpetual licenses of > all > > > the above-mentioned products through Channel (Adobe authorized > > > resellers) under Transactional Licensing Program (TLP) and > > > Cumulative Licensing Program (CLP) even after 1 July 2019./" > > > > > > ... it appears that Adobe has made the decision that the purchase of > > > perpetual licenses only applies to Adobe FrameMaker 15 AKA 2019 > release. > > > As quoted from the Adobe Territory Account Manager: > > > > > > "/FrameMaker 2019 will be available in Perpetual format. > > > This mean, internet will not be required to keep the license > active. > > > This should be available for limited time." > > > / > > > > > > and /that//:/ > > > > > > /"Going forward, all the FrameMaker versions will only be available > > > in Subscription.// > > > //That said, we still can support these licenses in an offline > > > environment./" > > > > > > But no further information was given. > > > > > > Currently subscription costs stand at approximately US$30 / GB£30.34 / > > > €UR 36 / AU$45 etc. per month. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > // Simon BUCH > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > Archives located at > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based
If you have a perpetual license, you will not have to pay additional money. If you want to upgrade to FM2020, though, you will be getting a subscription and will have to pay to continue using the program. On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:59 PM Doug wrote: > We use FM 2017...do we need to be wary of Adobe making us pay them more > money in the future? > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 10:48 AM Simon BUCH wrote: > > > FYI > > > > Despite what I was told last year: > > > > "/Customers will still be able to purchase perpetual licenses of all > > the above-mentioned products through Channel (Adobe authorized > > resellers) under Transactional Licensing Program (TLP) and > > Cumulative Licensing Program (CLP) even after 1 July 2019./" > > > > ... it appears that Adobe has made the decision that the purchase of > > perpetual licenses only applies to Adobe FrameMaker 15 AKA 2019 release. > > As quoted from the Adobe Territory Account Manager: > > > > "/FrameMaker 2019 will be available in Perpetual format. > > This mean, internet will not be required to keep the license active. > > This should be available for limited time." > > / > > > > and /that//:/ > > > > /"Going forward, all the FrameMaker versions will only be available > > in Subscription.// > > //That said, we still can support these licenses in an offline > > environment./" > > > > But no further information was given. > > > > Currently subscription costs stand at approximately US$30 / GB£30.34 / > > €UR 36 / AU$45 etc. per month. > > > > > > Regards > > // Simon BUCH > > > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based
At 09:45 AM 8/25/2020, Lin Sims wrote: Additional information: For those of you who still have Creative Suites, it is no longer possible to activate CS 1-3. Those servers are retired. You can still activate CS 4-6, but support is minimal. I think you can get the number of activations reset and that's about it. Lin, it has been a bazillion years since I've had to reinstall Adobe products so forgive me if my question is naive. I have a perpetual license to Photoshop CS4 and InDesign CS5.5. Because they have "CS" in their names, I assume they are Creative Suite products. If Adobe retires its CS4-6 servers at some point and I need to install these programs on a new computer (assuming that the OS will support them), will I be able to activate them? It just burns me when I purchase a perpetual license and along the way, the software company changes its licensing agreement. I just went through this with Intuit Quickbooks. I purchased a perpetual license in 2009 and now they tell me that the license was only good for 11 years and will expire this year. Huh? Carol ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based
We use FM 2017...do we need to be wary of Adobe making us pay them more money in the future? On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 10:48 AM Simon BUCH wrote: > FYI > > Despite what I was told last year: > > "/Customers will still be able to purchase perpetual licenses of all > the above-mentioned products through Channel (Adobe authorized > resellers) under Transactional Licensing Program (TLP) and > Cumulative Licensing Program (CLP) even after 1 July 2019./" > > ... it appears that Adobe has made the decision that the purchase of > perpetual licenses only applies to Adobe FrameMaker 15 AKA 2019 release. > As quoted from the Adobe Territory Account Manager: > > "/FrameMaker 2019 will be available in Perpetual format. > This mean, internet will not be required to keep the license active. > This should be available for limited time." > / > > and /that//:/ > > /"Going forward, all the FrameMaker versions will only be available > in Subscription.// > //That said, we still can support these licenses in an offline > environment./" > > But no further information was given. > > Currently subscription costs stand at approximately US$30 / GB£30.34 / > €UR 36 / AU$45 etc. per month. > > > Regards > // Simon BUCH > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based
I'm not Adobe, but I can confirm that as of the 2020 version, all the products in the Technical Communications Suite are subscription only. They are also 64-bit software only. The information in October was correct for FrameMaker 2019 and TCS 2019. If you purchased a perpetual license for any of the products in TCS 2019, it remains good. Be aware that Adobe has also moved to an N-1 support program. If I recall correctly, that means they provide support for the current and immediately previous version of their product. I'm not surprised the website hasn't caught up. Whoever manages Adobe's websites never seems to get around to the products they consider to be niche. For example, through my job I have a subscription to FrameMaker, but if I go into my account to download it, the link takes me to Creative Cloud instead, and has for more than a year. When 2020 was released, I literally had to fill out the form for a trial product, even though I have a subscription. Once it's installed, though, logging into Adobe verifies the subscription. Additional information: For those of you who still have Creative Suites, it is no longer possible to activate CS 1-3. Those servers are retired. You can still activate CS 4-6, but support is minimal. I think you can get the number of activations reset and that's about it. -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based
Can we get some confirmation from Adobe on this? This came up back in October of 2019, and at that time they stated that perpetual licenses through the TLP were still going to be supported. The TLP website is still active and doesn't say anything about being discontinued. -Dan -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Simon BUCH Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 9:11 AM To: Framers Subject: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based FYI Despite what I was told last year: "/Customers will still be able to purchase perpetual licenses of all the above-mentioned products through Channel (Adobe authorized resellers) under Transactional Licensing Program (TLP) and Cumulative Licensing Program (CLP) even after 1 July 2019./" ... it appears that Adobe has made the decision that the purchase of perpetual licenses only applies to Adobe FrameMaker 15 AKA 2019 release. As quoted from the Adobe Territory Account Manager: "/FrameMaker 2019 will be available in Perpetual format. This mean, internet will not be required to keep the license active. This should be available for limited time." / and /that//:/ /"Going forward, all the FrameMaker versions will only be available in Subscription.// //That said, we still can support these licenses in an offline environment./" But no further information was given. Currently subscription costs stand at approximately US$30 / GB£30.34 / €UR 36 / AU$45 etc. per month. Regards // Simon BUCH ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based
FYI Despite what I was told last year: "/Customers will still be able to purchase perpetual licenses of all the above-mentioned products through Channel (Adobe authorized resellers) under Transactional Licensing Program (TLP) and Cumulative Licensing Program (CLP) even after 1 July 2019./" ... it appears that Adobe has made the decision that the purchase of perpetual licenses only applies to Adobe FrameMaker 15 AKA 2019 release. As quoted from the Adobe Territory Account Manager: "/FrameMaker 2019 will be available in Perpetual format. This mean, internet will not be required to keep the license active. This should be available for limited time." / and /that//:/ /"Going forward, all the FrameMaker versions will only be available in Subscription.// //That said, we still can support these licenses in an offline environment./" But no further information was given. Currently subscription costs stand at approximately US$30 / GB£30.34 / €UR 36 / AU$45 etc. per month. Regards // Simon BUCH ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Fraction Symbols
I have set up a small set of variables for fractions, which can be imported into the Variables panel in your working document. These, and other 'packs' are free and available at framegoodies.us. Also, Lin Sims, I would be interested in seeing your MIF file, if you can send it to me directly. To all, be well! Dennis On 8/24/2020 4:02 PM, framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com wrote: Doug Baily: I use Klaus Daube's ETB (love it!) and it has fraction symbols for 1/4, 1/2, and 3/4. Is there another handy source for additional fraction symbols? ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
