Re: Using Framers to network for job-hunting?
Hello John and Valerie, Yes, I think this an appropriate place given the exceptional economic circumstances. While we don't want this forum to become a job site, it is perhaps the only common venue many of us have to discuss our Frame related issues, especially for lone writers. So any useful links or information regarding Framemaker and related writing jobs will be appreciated by many. Good topic Valerie, thanks for bringing it up. Mulholland On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 7:06 AM, John Sgammato jsgamm...@imprivata.comwrote: IMO it is perfectly appropriate. FrameMaker is often a requirement for a good job, and a job that does not require FrameMaker may be a really bad fit for a writer who has used FrameMaker for a long time. I Replied to All because I think this is a good subject to discuss if anyone feels differently. john From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Valerie Lipow Sent: Fri 3/20/2009 1:02 AM To: Framers Subject: Using Framers to network for job-hunting? I don't know if this is appropriate or effective. Would anyone care to calibrate me offline? -- Valerie Lipow valli...@gmail.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jsgamm...@imprivata.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivata.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as mulholla...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mulholland4%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Using Framers to network for job-hunting?
Hi Art, Yes I agree, the use of [OT] or [JOB] prefixes in the subject line would provide an instant filter for those of us not interested in the topic. And, the restriction on asking for work is a good one too. As you say, lets see what the list owners say. Maybe we could have a spinoff list for this specific topic? Mulholland On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.comwrote: I agree that it's an appropriate topic, but I'd encourage people to use [OT] or [JOB] prefixes in the subject line. And I'd also draw the line at posting if you're available rather than offering a job, to cut down on the volume of posts, but that's just me. We'll see if the list owners/moderator is paying attention... Job postings are prohibited on the TWRL list that this company also owns and operates, unless you provide some cash for an ad. Cheers, Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 9:08 AM, mulholland4 mulholla...@gmail.com wrote: Hello John and Valerie, Yes, I think this an appropriate place given the exceptional economic circumstances. While we don't want this forum to become a job site, it is perhaps the only common venue many of us have to discuss our Frame related issues, especially for lone writers. So any useful links or information regarding Framemaker and related writing jobs will be appreciated by many. Good topic Valerie, thanks for bringing it up. Mulholland On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 7:06 AM, John Sgammato jsgamm...@imprivata.com wrote: IMO it is perfectly appropriate. FrameMaker is often a requirement for a good job, and a job that does not require FrameMaker may be a really bad fit for a writer who has used FrameMaker for a long time. I Replied to All because I think this is a good subject to discuss if anyone feels differently. john From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Valerie Lipow Sent: Fri 3/20/2009 1:02 AM To: Framers Subject: Using Framers to network for job-hunting? I don't know if this is appropriate or effective. Would anyone care to calibrate me offline? -- Valerie Lipow valli...@gmail.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jsgamm...@imprivata.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivata.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as mulholla...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mulholland4%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as mulholla...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mulholland4%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Using Framers to network for job-hunting?
Hello John and Valerie, Yes, I think this an appropriate place given the exceptional economic circumstances. While we don't want this forum to become a job site, it is perhaps the only common venue many of us have to discuss our Frame related issues, especially for lone writers. So any useful links or information regarding Framemaker and related writing jobs will be appreciated by many. Good topic Valerie, thanks for bringing it up. Mulholland On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 7:06 AM, John Sgammato wrote: > IMO it is perfectly appropriate. FrameMaker is often a requirement for a > good job, and a job that does not require FrameMaker may be a really bad fit > for a writer who has used FrameMaker for a long time. > I Replied to All because I think this is a good subject to discuss if > anyone feels differently. > > john > > > > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Valerie Lipow > Sent: Fri 3/20/2009 1:02 AM > To: Framers > Subject: Using Framers to network for job-hunting? > > > > I don't know if this is appropriate or effective. Would anyone care to > calibrate me offline? > > -- > Valerie Lipow > vallipow at gmail.com > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jsgammato at imprivata.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivata.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as mulholland4 at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mulholland4%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Using Framers to network for job-hunting?
Hi Art, Yes I agree, the use of [OT] or [JOB] prefixes in the subject line would provide an instant filter for those of us not interested in the topic. And, the restriction on asking for work is a good one too. As you say, lets see what the list owners say. Maybe we could have a spinoff list for this specific topic? Mulholland On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Art Campbell wrote: > I agree that it's an appropriate topic, but I'd encourage people to > use [OT] or [JOB] prefixes in the subject line. And I'd also draw the > line at posting if you're available rather than offering a job, to > cut down on the volume of posts, but that's just me. > > We'll see if the list owners/moderator is paying attention... Job > postings are prohibited on the TWRL list that this company also owns > and operates, unless you provide some cash for an ad. > > Cheers, > Art > > Art Campbell > art.campbell at gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 > Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. > DoD 358 > > > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 9:08 AM, mulholland4 > wrote: > > Hello John and Valerie, > > Yes, I think this an appropriate place given the exceptional economic > > circumstances. While we don't want this forum to become a job site, it is > > perhaps the only common venue many of us have to discuss our Frame > related > > issues, especially for lone writers. So any useful links or information > > regarding Framemaker and related writing jobs will be appreciated by > many. > > Good topic Valerie, thanks for bringing it up. > > Mulholland > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 7:06 AM, John Sgammato >wrote: > > > >> IMO it is perfectly appropriate. FrameMaker is often a requirement for a > >> good job, and a job that does not require FrameMaker may be a really bad > fit > >> for a writer who has used FrameMaker for a long time. > >> I Replied to All because I think this is a good subject to discuss if > >> anyone feels differently. > >> > >> john > >> > >> > >> > >> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Valerie Lipow > >> Sent: Fri 3/20/2009 1:02 AM > >> To: Framers > >> Subject: Using Framers to network for job-hunting? > >> > >> > >> > >> I don't know if this is appropriate or effective. Would anyone care to > >> calibrate me offline? > >> > >> -- > >> Valerie Lipow > >> vallipow at gmail.com > >> ___ > >> > >> > >> You are currently subscribed to Framers as jsgammato at imprivata.com. > >> > >> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >> > >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to > >> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > >> or visit > >> > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivata.com > >> > >> Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > >> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> > >> > >> You are currently subscribed to Framers as mulholland4 at gmail.com. > >> > >> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >> > >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to > >> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > >> or visit > >> > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mulholland4%40gmail.com > >> > >> Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > >> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > >> > > ___ > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as mulholland4 at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mulholland4%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Framemaker 8 Undo
Hi, I have recently moved from XP to Vista. When I save my frame files I always get a message stating Cannot be undone. Undo history will be lost. OK to continue? Apart from being annoying, especially when I save all files in a book at once. Is there any way of turning this off? I never got this message when I was using XP, is it a Vista feature? Thanks Mulholland ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Framemaker 8 Undo
Thanks everyone. I fixed it using the Preferences options. Happy St Patrick's Day Mulholland On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote: Mulholland asked: I have recently moved from XP to Vista. When I save my frame files I always get a message stating Cannot be undone. Undo history will be lost. OK to continue? Apart from being annoying, especially when I save all files in a book at once. Is there any way of turning this off? I never got this message when I was using XP, is it a Vista feature? Thanks It's not a Vista feature, it's an annoyance of FrameMaker 8.0/9.0 that came along with multiple undo. By default, FrameMaker warns you each and every time you perform an action that will clear the undo history buffer. Saving a file is such an action, and the message is warning you that the undo function will not be useful after you sav ethe file. It's a case of FrameMaker warnign you about something that other applications (like MS Word) simply do witout telling you. And perhaps Adobe has also over-compensated a bit because it does represent changed behavior from earlier versions. But in any event, you can turn down the frequency of the warnigns or turn them off entirely via the Show warnings while clearing history item in in the FilePreferencesGeneral dialog. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Framemaker 8 Undo
Hi, I have recently moved from XP to Vista. When I save my frame files I always get a message stating "Cannot be undone. Undo history will be lost. OK to continue?" Apart from being annoying, especially when I save all files in a book at once. Is there any way of turning this off? I never got this message when I was using XP, is it a Vista feature? Thanks Mulholland
Framemaker 8 Undo
Thanks everyone. I fixed it using the Preferences options. Happy St Patrick's Day Mulholland On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Fred Ridder wrote: > Mulholland asked: > > > > I have recently moved from XP to Vista. When I save my frame files I > > always get a message stating "Cannot be undone. Undo history will be > lost. > > OK to continue?" Apart from being annoying, especially when I save all > files > > in a book at once. Is there any way of turning this off? I never got this > > message when I was using XP, is it a Vista feature? > > Thanks > > It's not a Vista feature, it's an annoyance of FrameMaker 8.0/9.0 that came > along with multiple undo. By default, FrameMaker warns you each and every > time you perform an action that will clear the undo history buffer. Saving a > file is such an action, and the message is warning you that the undo > function will not be useful after you sav ethe file. It's a case of > FrameMaker warnign you about something that other applications (like MS > Word) simply do witout telling you. And perhaps Adobe has also > over-compensated a bit because it does represent changed behavior from > earlier versions. > But in any event, you can turn down the frequency of the warnigns or turn > them off entirely via the "Show warnings while clearing history" item in in > the File>Preferences>General dialog. > -Fred Ridder >
adding a graphic to a TOC
Hello, In a user guide which I am writing I have a graphic beside some of the Header 1 titles to indicate that the topic refers to the Pro version of the software. Is it at all possible to make this same graphic appear beside the Header1 Toc in the Table of Contents? I could add it manually after I generate the final TOC, but it would be nice to be able to have this graphic appear automatically each time I generate a new version of the TOC. I am using FrameMaker 8. Thanks Mulholland ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
adding a graphic to a TOC
Hello, In a user guide which I am writing I have a graphic beside some of the Header 1 titles to indicate that the topic refers to the Pro version of the software. Is it at all possible to make this same graphic appear beside the Header1 Toc in the Table of Contents? I could add it manually after I generate the final TOC, but it would be nice to be able to have this graphic appear automatically each time I generate a new version of the TOC. I am using FrameMaker 8. Thanks Mulholland
Re: Paragraph and Character styles in FrameMaker and InDesign
Hi,
Thanks for the info, I'll check out the DTP tools conversion and see what
it's like, i'll need to negotiate the purchase of some credits with the
controller of purse strings here.
Thanks
Mulholland
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Peter Gold pe...@knowhowpro.com wrote:
One more thing (OK, a couple more)
Now that I'm back on my Windows machine where I can use FrameMaker 8,
I tried my own suggestions using my rusty and trusty MS Word 97, and
learned a few things. Perhaps newer Word releases can understand more
of the information that FrameMaker puts into the RTF, if in fact there
is more. (Anyone who feels like testing this with newer Word releases
can request my test file.)
* There's no Save As MS Word in FM 7 or FM8, only RTF. I don't have
earlier installed FM, just the faint memory (from FM7 on Mac) of being
able to save as Word. However, saving as RTF and placing the RTF file
in ID retains the FM paragraph and character format names, and many of
FM's paragraph and character font properties, and some typographic and
composition properties - like leading, indents, tab stops, alignment,
hyphenation, space before and after, and even a valiant effort at
frame above and below paragraphs. But missing are FrameMaker's unique
paragraph pagination properties like run-in, across columns, and side
headings, and FM's advanced paragraph property that modifies table
cell margins.
* Opening the RTF file in Word displays bullets and auto-numbers as
question marks in correctly-tagged paragraphs in main text, but the
auto-number format codes (like C:Chapter $chapnum n+\t) are lost.
* Cross-references are partially converted to text, so you can at
least have a fragment of the referenced content to search for.
* Index markers are broken and leave messes in the form of {xe-???}.
The number of question marks varies, but you can search for the marker
locations, create ID index entries there, and delete the broken
markers.
* Footnote references (the number in main text) and footnote content
are retained.
* Table appearance is preserved, but table format names are lost.
Paragraph format names in table cells are retained.
This may be more information than you (or anyone sane) needs. I'm not
not-sane, though I am writing a book on ID for FM users making the
switch (maybe THIS is not sane :) ) and I'd have had to do this
research anyway, sooner or later. I didn't get to this area of detail
in my review of the DTP Tools plug-in in the October/November 2007
issue of InDesign Magazine, because it's not central to evaluating the
plug-in.
The upshot is this: DTP Tools' MIF Filter plug-in for ID is the most
efficient conversion path. For small amounts of content and
formatting, you can save as RTF if it serves your needs, or you can
copy from a conversion using the trial plug-in, and paste into a new
ID document to save it. Otherwise, buy a ticket for some page credits.
HTH
Regards,
Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
On 12/12/08, mulholland4 mulholla...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I am going to be using InDesign to produce some docs and was wondering
if
there is any way of importing the Paragraph and Character styles from
my
Framemaker 8 docs into InDesign CS4? Although my layout will be
radically
different in the new docs, it would be useful to be able to reuse
content
from my Frame docs.
Thanks
Mulholland
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Paragraph and Character styles in FrameMaker and InDesign
Hi,
Thanks for the info, I'll check out the DTP tools conversion and see what
it's like, i'll need to negotiate the purchase of some credits with the
controller of purse strings here.
Thanks
Mulholland
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Peter Gold wrote:
> One more thing (OK, a couple more)
>
> Now that I'm back on my Windows machine where I can use FrameMaker 8,
> I tried my own suggestions using my rusty and trusty MS Word 97, and
> learned a few things. Perhaps newer Word releases can understand more
> of the information that FrameMaker puts into the RTF, if in fact there
> is more. (Anyone who feels like testing this with newer Word releases
> can request my test file.)
>
> * There's no Save As > MS Word in FM 7 or FM8, only RTF. I don't have
> earlier installed FM, just the faint memory (from FM7 on Mac) of being
> able to save as Word. However, saving as RTF and placing the RTF file
> in ID retains the FM paragraph and character format names, and many of
> FM's paragraph and character font properties, and some typographic and
> composition properties - like leading, indents, tab stops, alignment,
> hyphenation, space before and after, and even a valiant effort at
> frame above and below paragraphs. But missing are FrameMaker's unique
> paragraph pagination properties like run-in, across columns, and side
> headings, and FM's advanced paragraph property that modifies table
> cell margins.
>
> * Opening the RTF file in Word displays bullets and auto-numbers as
> question marks in correctly-tagged paragraphs in main text, but the
> auto-number format codes (like C:Chapter <$chapnum> <n+>\t) are lost.
>
> * Cross-references are partially converted to text, so you can at
> least have a fragment of the referenced content to search for.
>
> * Index markers are broken and leave messes in the form of {xe-"???"}.
> The number of question marks varies, but you can search for the marker
> locations, create ID index entries there, and delete the broken
> markers.
>
> * Footnote references (the number in main text) and footnote content
> are retained.
>
> * Table appearance is preserved, but table format names are lost.
> Paragraph format names in table cells are retained.
>
> This may be more information than you (or anyone sane) needs. I'm not
> not-sane, though I am writing a book on ID for FM users making the
> switch (maybe THIS is not sane :) ) and I'd have had to do this
> research anyway, sooner or later. I didn't get to this area of detail
> in my review of the DTP Tools plug-in in the October/November 2007
> issue of InDesign Magazine, because it's not central to evaluating the
> plug-in.
>
> The upshot is this: DTP Tools' MIF Filter plug-in for ID is the most
> efficient conversion path. For small amounts of content and
> formatting, you can save as RTF if it serves your needs, or you can
> copy from a conversion using the trial plug-in, and paste into a new
> ID document to save it. Otherwise, buy a ticket for some page credits.
>
> HTH
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter Gold
> KnowHow ProServices
>
> > On 12/12/08, mulholland4 wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> I am going to be using InDesign to produce some docs and was wondering
> if
> >> there is any way of importing the Paragraph and Character styles from
> my
> >> Framemaker 8 docs into InDesign CS4? Although my layout will be
> radically
> >> different in the new docs, it would be useful to be able to reuse
> content
> >> from my Frame docs.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Mulholland
>
Paragraph and Character styles in FrameMaker and InDesign
Hi, I am going to be using InDesign to produce some docs and was wondering if there is any way of importing the Paragraph and Character styles from my Framemaker 8 docs into InDesign CS4? Although my layout will be radically different in the new docs, it would be useful to be able to reuse content from my Frame docs. Thanks Mulholland ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Paragraph and Character styles in FrameMaker and InDesign
Hi, I am going to be using InDesign to produce some docs and was wondering if there is any way of importing the Paragraph and Character styles from my Framemaker 8 docs into InDesign CS4? Although my layout will be radically different in the new docs, it would be useful to be able to reuse content from my Frame docs. Thanks Mulholland
InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker
Hi Peter, I sent an email to Art and received a very good reply which I think answers all of my questions (I have pasted them in the lower section of this email.) My original reason for asking about InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker was that I have been asked by a new manager to dispose of Framemaker and transfer all writing tasks, 700 page User Guides, and various other docs to InDesign. The problem I am worried about is that we use a lot of cross references throughout the chapters and books and have a large fairly comprehensive Index. I also use conditional text to output several versions of the same doc. Can this be done in InDesign? And what about generating a help system for InDesign, is it possible? I believe that Art answered all of these questions, but feel free to make any other comments or suggestions. Thanks for the help Mulholand Here are Art's comments: << I've moved books & files from FM to InDesign CS3, and unless there's something else going on that the manager didn't share with you or you didn't present in your email, this is going to be a Bad Idea of large tarbaby proportions... InDesign is great for short docs, or even books, that require a lot of individual formatting and exceptions to the base template or master pages. It was designed as a PageMaker replacement, and it fulfills that role very nicely. It's a nice program. Frame was designed to handle large books, multiple documents, and doc sets that basically use the same type or set of page layouts in order to produce a uniform look and feel. Essentially the 700 page User Guide scenario that you present. You can do the conversion (maybe -- depends on the input) by using a third party plug in, or by writing out FM files as RTF and importing them into ID. And you're unlikely to be able to bring in graphics transparently. But you're going to lose lots of functionality that's going to be made up by vastly increasing man hours. You mentioned a few: conditional text, inter-book cross refs, decent indexing, especially indexing that spans books or volumes, and the ability to go to online help. Some of this may have changed since I last had to do this about 6 months ago, but it'd only change because a third party brought out a better ID plug in. Which would cost money and be another company to deal with for support and updates and integration. Unless you guys have money and manpower to burn, I'd try to find out the reasoning behind the proposed switch before you try to implement There's a chance that the manager is way behind the times and still listening to the FM is dead rumors... which were bogus a few years or so ago and are more so now. FM is Adobe's XML editor choice, and they're pouring resources into it. >From what you've mentioned, implementing the Tech Comm Suite would be a better solution than ID. >> Fin
InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker
Hi everyone, Has anyone replaced Framemaker with InDesign? Is this possible? What are the pro's and cons? Does anyone know of an in depth study of this topic. Any useful comments would be much appreciated. Thanks Mulholland ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker
Hi everyone, Has anyone replaced Framemaker with InDesign? Is this possible? What are the pro's and cons? Does anyone know of an in depth study of this topic. Any useful comments would be much appreciated. Thanks Mulholland
Re: Out of Frame Memory message and crash
Hi Everyone,I fixed it! thanks for all of the useful suggestions. I finally removed the new 8.03 (8.0p276) patcher using add/remove programs and guess.. what everything works once more! This is truly very odd as I thought that the new patch was supposed to cure a lot of things. Anyway, i'm happy now as I have to finish some 1700 pages of docs for tomorrow. Thanks Mulholland On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:28 PM, mulholland4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have a problem which started today. When I generate a postscript file from a frame book file I get an out of framemaker memory message, Framemaker then proceeds to display a serious error message, after which it crashes. This happens regardless of the postscript driver I use to print the file to. I am using XP with Frame 8 and the new 8.03 (8.0p276) update which I downloaded today. The book file I am working on has been fine up to today and I have not had any odd messages or crashes prior to now. Suggestions Please! Mulholland ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: What version of Frame to Get Started ?
Hi Peter, FrameMaker 5.5 did have some issues and yes what Rick says is really sound advice, don't go for anything less than version 7.2. Having said that, I used version 5.5 and version 6 for many years and survived! If you can't afford to upgrade at the moment, version 5.5 will allow you to produce a large volume of work. And remember, when you do upgrade you can convert the docs created in 5.5 to the upgrade version, however you can't go backwards. Mulholland On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Rick Quatro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since you already have FrameMaker 5.5, you can upgrade to version 8 for about $300. Unless you can get an earlier version for much less, this seems like the way to go. If you are going to settle for an earlier version, I wouldn't go lower than FrameMaker 7.2. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com Good Morning, I want to learn more about Framemaker, I have Ver. 5.5 and have fooled with that but need more experience... The prices of the latest version scare me, unless I had a contract or revenue input from writing... Recognizing that ver. 5.5 has basic functionality, what would be a next step? Is it worth searching EBay for ver. 6.0 or try to find ver. 7.1 at a reasonable price? On occasion, I find late versions of Upgrade packages available on EBay... Would some version of Upgrade 7.0 (or 7.1) bring my ver. 5.5 up to the next current level? The recent List discussion on Jahred's Beyond the Basics has stirred my curiosity, therefore I have found a copy of that text to read and review... Any comments appreciated A (latent) newbie Writer. -pc ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mulholland4%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Out of Frame Memory message and crash
Hi Everyone,I fixed it! thanks for all of the useful suggestions. I finally removed the new 8.03 (8.0p276) patcher using add/remove programs and guess.. what everything works once more! This is truly very odd as I thought that the new patch was supposed to cure a lot of things. Anyway, i'm happy now as I have to finish some 1700 pages of docs for tomorrow. Thanks Mulholland On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:28 PM, mulholland4 wrote: > Hi, > I have a problem which started today. When I generate a postscript file > from a frame book file I get an "out of framemaker memory message", > Framemaker then proceeds to display a serious error message, after which it > crashes. This happens regardless of the postscript driver I use to print the > file to. > I am using XP with Frame 8 and the new 8.03 (8.0p276) update which I > downloaded today. The book file I am working on has been fine up to today > and I have not had any odd messages or crashes prior to now. > > Suggestions Please! > Mulholland >
What version of Frame to Get Started ?
Hi Peter, FrameMaker 5.5 did have some issues and yes what Rick says is really sound advice, don't go for anything less than version 7.2. Having said that, I used version 5.5 and version 6 for many years and survived! If you can't afford to upgrade at the moment, version 5.5 will allow you to produce a large volume of work. And remember, when you do upgrade you can convert the docs created in 5.5 to the upgrade version, however you can't go backwards. Mulholland On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Rick Quatro wrote: > Since you already have FrameMaker 5.5, you can upgrade to version 8 for > about $300. Unless you can get an earlier version for much less, this seems > like the way to go. If you are going to settle for an earlier version, I > wouldn't go lower than FrameMaker 7.2. > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing > 585-659-8267 > www.frameexpert.com > > > > Good Morning, > > > > I want to learn more about Framemaker, > > I have Ver. 5.5 and have fooled with that but > > need more experience... > > > > The prices of the latest version scare me, unless > > I had a contract or revenue input from writing... > > > > Recognizing that ver. 5.5 has basic functionality, > > what would be a next step? > > Is it worth searching EBay for ver. 6.0 or try > > to find ver. 7.1 at a reasonable price? > > > > On occasion, I find late versions of "Upgrade" packages > > available on EBay... Would some version of Upgrade 7.0 > > (or 7.1) bring my ver. 5.5 up to the next current level? > > > > The recent List discussion on Jahred's "Beyond the Basics" > > has stirred my curiosity, therefore I have found a copy > > of that text to read and review... > > > > Any comments appreciated > > A (latent) newbie Writer. > > > > -pc > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as mulholland4 at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mulholland4%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Out of Frame Memory message and crash
Hi, I have a problem which started today. When I generate a postscript file from a frame book file I get an out of framemaker memory message, Framemaker then proceeds to display a serious error message, after which it crashes. This happens regardless of the postscript driver I use to print the file to. I am using XP with Frame 8 and the new 8.03 (8.0p276) update which I downloaded today. The book file I am working on has been fine up to today and I have not had any odd messages or crashes prior to now. Suggestions Please! Mulholland ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Out of Frame Memory message and crash
Hi Art, yes plenty of space and nothing has changed on my system since the update..maybe i'll roll back to a previous restore point. Thanks for the suggestion Mulholland On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have lots of room on your hard drive for temporary files? If so, and if nothing else changed And if you're on a windows platform that supports restore points, I'd think about rolling back to a point before you applied the patch to see if that make a difference. And disabling automatic updates, if they're turned on. Art On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:28 PM, mulholland4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have a problem which started today. When I generate a postscript file from a frame book file I get an out of framemaker memory message, Framemaker then proceeds to display a serious error message, after which it crashes. This happens regardless of the postscript driver I use to print the file to. I am using XP with Frame 8 and the new 8.03 (8.0p276) update which I downloaded today. The book file I am working on has been fine up to today and I have not had any odd messages or crashes prior to now. Suggestions Please! Mulholland ___ -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Out of Frame Memory message and crash
Hi, I have a problem which started today. When I generate a postscript file from a frame book file I get an "out of framemaker memory message", Framemaker then proceeds to display a serious error message, after which it crashes. This happens regardless of the postscript driver I use to print the file to. I am using XP with Frame 8 and the new 8.03 (8.0p276) update which I downloaded today. The book file I am working on has been fine up to today and I have not had any odd messages or crashes prior to now. Suggestions Please! Mulholland
advanced search in pdfs
Hi all, I want to add the advanced search feature to my pdfs by default, so that when the user opens the pdf the advanced search panel also opens, as well as the pdf and the bookmarks. Is there any way of doing this? I am using Adobe Acrobat 3D version 8 to produce the pdfs from postscript files generated by Framemaker 8. Thanks Mulholland ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
advanced search in pdfs
Hi all, I want to add the advanced search feature to my pdfs by default, so that when the user opens the pdf the advanced search panel also opens, as well as the pdf and the bookmarks. Is there any way of doing this? I am using Adobe Acrobat 3D version 8 to produce the pdfs from postscript files generated by Framemaker 8. Thanks Mulholland
Webworks Publisher tables
Hi, This is slightly off topic, but if anyone could help it would be very helpful. I need to resize tables in Webworks Publisher Pro v7.02. I am writing the document in Framemaker v6.0 I have a lot of tables in the document which I am converting into online help using Webworks Publisher Pro v7.02. The tables look fine in Framemaker, but when they are converted into help each cell is the wrong size and generally the tables are gigantic. Is there anyway I can resize these so they look good in the online help? Thanks Mulholland
Thanks :radical revamping
Hi everyone, there are just too many of you to thank individually. The revamping scenario is really out of my hands, so, like one of you said,am going to make like a tree and leave. Hopefully, next time I contact the list for advice it will be from a new place of work where the real benefits of techpubs are recognised. Thanks for all the support and advice Mulholland ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Thanks :radical revamping
Hi everyone, there are just too many of you to thank individually. The revamping scenario is really out of my hands, so, like one of you said,"am going to make like a tree and leave." Hopefully, next time I contact the list for advice it will be from a new place of work where the real benefits of techpubs are recognised. Thanks for all the support and advice Mulholland
radical revamping of techpubs
Hi, I would like to see what the group thinks of this scenario for writing documentation within a company? 1. Remove all existing tech writing staff from techpubs. 2. Replace these with software developers and specialists who know the software inside out and get them to write all of the documentation. These would now be known as Developer-techwriters. (It should be noted that none of these people has English as a first language, despite this being the primary market for the documentation.) 3. Hire editing staff to edit only the language and grammar of the documents written by the software specialists. The reasoning behind this scenario is; that this saves money as the developers know the software, and it is really cheap to get university students to come in and edit. I won't make comments on this just now as i'm sure there are many of us who just want to run screaming! thanks Mulholland ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
radical revamping of techpubs
Hi, I would like to see what the group thinks of this scenario for writing documentation within a company? 1. Remove all existing tech writing staff from techpubs. 2. Replace these with software developers and specialists who know the software inside out and get them to write all of the documentation. These would now be known as Developer-techwriters. (It should be noted that none of these people has English as a first language, despite this being the primary market for the documentation.) 3. Hire editing staff to edit only the language and grammar of the documents written by the software specialists. The reasoning behind this scenario is; that this saves money as the developers know the software, and it is really cheap to get university students to come in and edit. I won't make comments on this just now as i'm sure there are many of us who just want to run screaming! thanks Mulholland
