Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

2016-01-06 Thread Shmuel Wolfson 

  
  
I think it's worthwhile paying a MIF2GO expert for an hour of his or
her time to teach you the ins and outs. It's a fraction of the price
of paying for another help conversion program.

I asked our company to foot the bill for a few hours of Steve
Wiseman's time and he was very helpful.  

Email: swise...@context.co.il




--
Shmuel Wolfson




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On 05-Jan-16 11:46 PM, Scott Prentice
  wrote:


  
  http://mif2go.com

Support for FM12/2015 is, from what I understand, not great. I
believe that some have successfully been able to get it to work.
Check the mif2go Yahoo group for details.

If you want to help with the future development of Mif2Go, you
can download the source from GitHub ..

    https://github.com/omsys-dev

Cheers,
...scott



  
  On 1/5/16 1:32 PM, Stamm, David
wrote:
  
  
2016-01-05-02T21:30Z

Please refresh my memory or dispel my ignorance about how and where I may obtain Mif2Go for use with FrameMaker 12 and FrameMaker 2015 Release.  This, to convert into Word files.

As I recall, Mif2Go and its close relatives were to have become open source after Jeremy died.

Thanks,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer



  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

2016-01-06 Thread Etzel, Gary 
There is one updated DLL that you need to make Mif2Go compatible with Frame 12. 
As for FM 2015, we only tested the 30-day trial and we could not get Mif2Go to 
run. We didn't spend any time investigating why. We assumed it was the same 
issue as FM 12, that Mif2Go probably needed a small code update to recognize 
the new version.

Out of curiosity, why do you need Mif2Go? Saving from Frame to Word is much 
better in the more recent versions, or even saving PDF to Word. I know the 
older versions of Frame had serious problems saving to Word, but I don't see 
that with FM 12. What are you not getting that you think Mif2Go will solve?

Regards,

Gary


From: Framers [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed 
Zaeem Hosain
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 9:23 PM
To: Scott Prentice; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

Key for making it work in FrameMaker 12 (and probably FrameMaker 2015 too? but 
I have not tried that version), is the one file that needs to be changed. It is 
described in an older post here or at the website perhaps.

Z

From: Framers [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott 
Prentice
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 01:46 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

http://mif2go.com

Support for FM12/2015 is, from what I understand, not great. I believe that 
some have successfully been able to get it to work. Check the mif2go Yahoo 
group for details.

If you want to help with the future development of Mif2Go, you can download the 
source from GitHub ..

https://github.com/omsys-dev

Cheers,
...scott

On 1/5/16 1:32 PM, Stamm, David wrote:

2016-01-05-02T21:30Z



Please refresh my memory or dispel my ignorance about how and where I may 
obtain Mif2Go for use with FrameMaker 12 and FrameMaker 2015 Release.  This, to 
convert into Word files.



As I recall, Mif2Go and its close relatives were to have become open source 
after Jeremy died.



Thanks,

Dave Stamm

Information Engineer

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Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

2016-01-06 Thread Harding, Dan 
FM to PDF to Word is a nonstarter if you need to retain index markers or other 
cross-references in the resulting Word file.

Doing a direct save from FM to RTF omits any index markers contained in 
footnote text.

Thus Mif2go.

Dan Harding

From: Framers [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Etzel, 
Gary
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 9:19 AM
To: Stamm, David; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

You want File > Save As and for "Save as type", select Microsoft RTF. You can 
open that file in Word and then continue to work on it as an RTF file, or save 
it to a Word format. I prefer going from a PDF to Word over going from FM to 
Word, although the reasons escape me at the moment.

But I don't do hard core work in Word, so I'm just wondering if there is 
something I am missing, of if there is a lingering dedication to Mif2Go based 
on Word conversion issues I know were present back in FM 7 or even 9, but maybe 
not so much today. I hope others will chime in if they have any insight on 
that. I know Jeremy was a great guy and he earned a lot of respect from the FM 
community, but Mif2Go was not an easy tool to work with. It did absolutely 
everything I ever wanted it to do, but it was not an easy path to get there.

Regards,

Gary


From: Stamm, David [mailto:david.st...@gd-ms.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 10:05 AM
To: Etzel, Gary; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

2016-01-06-03T15:05Z

Gary -

Windows 7 Enterprise Service pack 1
FrameMaker 12.0.4.445
Structured interface with unstructured files

I have the above setup.  I believe that I have the latest update to FrameMaker. 
 I have started the process to get FrameMaker 2015 Release.

I guess I'm missing something in FrameMaker 12 that you have, or I am majorly 
visually impaired this morning.  In the user interfaces - both structured and 
unstructured - I do not find any way to save from .fm to any type of Word 
document.  I imagine that you might have an addon, plugin, or utility that I 
don't have.

I have started to test the save as from PDF file.

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

From: Framers [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Etzel, 
Gary
Sent: 2016-01-06-Wed 08:44
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

There is one updated DLL that you need to make Mif2Go compatible with Frame 12. 
As for FM 2015, we only tested the 30-day trial and we could not get Mif2Go to 
run. We didn't spend any time investigating why. We assumed it was the same 
issue as FM 12, that Mif2Go probably needed a small code update to recognize 
the new version.

Out of curiosity, why do you need Mif2Go? Saving from Frame to Word is much 
better in the more recent versions, or even saving PDF to Word. I know the 
older versions of Frame had serious problems saving to Word, but I don't see 
that with FM 12. What are you not getting that you think Mif2Go will solve?

Regards,

Gary


From: Framers [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed 
Zaeem Hosain
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 9:23 PM
To: Scott Prentice; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

Key for making it work in FrameMaker 12 (and probably FrameMaker 2015 too? but 
I have not tried that version), is the one file that needs to be changed. It is 
described in an older post here or at the website perhaps.

Z

From: Framers [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott 
Prentice
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 01:46 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

http://mif2go.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mif2go.com=BQMFAg=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ=0Y5cb1n9Kxxz-DUKcMcL0amgNvVtaZGLf9q5Vb1aAAw=EvIknvhbDeU7DpDVW5ZOxL_9pTIG9LZ2D1IITNF2_-Y=QqJHYRhMc7COIdYzpnvos5jzhBFVuv_S3p75gIUrX_0=>

Support for FM12/2015 is, from what I understand, not great. I believe that 
some have successfully been able to get it to work. Check the mif2go Yahoo 
group for details.

If you want to help with the future development of Mif2Go, you can download the 
source from GitHub ..


https://github.com/omsys-dev<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_omsys-2Ddev=BQMFAg=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ=0Y5cb1n9Kxxz-DUKcMcL0amgNvVtaZGLf9q5Vb1aAAw=EvIknvhbDeU7DpDVW5ZOxL_9pTIG9LZ2D1IITNF2_-Y=NdHJsGfffdMOtWUIMask83ucNJzsNkDalUsT8iqeT6Y=>

Cheers,
...scott

On 1/5/16 1:32 PM, Stamm, David wrote:

2016-01-05-02T21:30Z



Please refresh my memory or dispel my ignorance about how and where I may 
obtain Mif2Go for use with FrameMaker 12 and FrameMaker 2015 Release.  This, to 
convert into Word files.



As I re

Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

2016-01-06 Thread Stamm, David 
2016-01-06-03T15:05Z

Gary -

Windows 7 Enterprise Service pack 1
FrameMaker 12.0.4.445
Structured interface with unstructured files

I have the above setup.  I believe that I have the latest update to FrameMaker. 
 I have started the process to get FrameMaker 2015 Release.

I guess I'm missing something in FrameMaker 12 that you have, or I am majorly 
visually impaired this morning.  In the user interfaces - both structured and 
unstructured - I do not find any way to save from .fm to any type of Word 
document.  I imagine that you might have an addon, plugin, or utility that I 
don't have.

I have started to test the save as from PDF file.

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

From: Framers [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Etzel, 
Gary
Sent: 2016-01-06-Wed 08:44
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

There is one updated DLL that you need to make Mif2Go compatible with Frame 12. 
As for FM 2015, we only tested the 30-day trial and we could not get Mif2Go to 
run. We didn't spend any time investigating why. We assumed it was the same 
issue as FM 12, that Mif2Go probably needed a small code update to recognize 
the new version.

Out of curiosity, why do you need Mif2Go? Saving from Frame to Word is much 
better in the more recent versions, or even saving PDF to Word. I know the 
older versions of Frame had serious problems saving to Word, but I don't see 
that with FM 12. What are you not getting that you think Mif2Go will solve?

Regards,

Gary


From: Framers [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed 
Zaeem Hosain
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 9:23 PM
To: Scott Prentice; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

Key for making it work in FrameMaker 12 (and probably FrameMaker 2015 too? but 
I have not tried that version), is the one file that needs to be changed. It is 
described in an older post here or at the website perhaps.

Z

From: Framers [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott 
Prentice
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 01:46 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

http://mif2go.com

Support for FM12/2015 is, from what I understand, not great. I believe that 
some have successfully been able to get it to work. Check the mif2go Yahoo 
group for details.

If you want to help with the future development of Mif2Go, you can download the 
source from GitHub ..

https://github.com/omsys-dev

Cheers,
...scott

On 1/5/16 1:32 PM, Stamm, David wrote:

2016-01-05-02T21:30Z



Please refresh my memory or dispel my ignorance about how and where I may 
obtain Mif2Go for use with FrameMaker 12 and FrameMaker 2015 Release.  This, to 
convert into Word files.



As I recall, Mif2Go and its close relatives were to have become open source 
after Jeremy died.



Thanks,

Dave Stamm

Information Engineer

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Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

2016-01-06 Thread Etzel, Gary 
You want File > Save As and for "Save as type", select Microsoft RTF. You can 
open that file in Word and then continue to work on it as an RTF file, or save 
it to a Word format. I prefer going from a PDF to Word over going from FM to 
Word, although the reasons escape me at the moment.

But I don't do hard core work in Word, so I'm just wondering if there is 
something I am missing, of if there is a lingering dedication to Mif2Go based 
on Word conversion issues I know were present back in FM 7 or even 9, but maybe 
not so much today. I hope others will chime in if they have any insight on 
that. I know Jeremy was a great guy and he earned a lot of respect from the FM 
community, but Mif2Go was not an easy tool to work with. It did absolutely 
everything I ever wanted it to do, but it was not an easy path to get there.

Regards,

Gary


From: Stamm, David [mailto:david.st...@gd-ms.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 10:05 AM
To: Etzel, Gary; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

2016-01-06-03T15:05Z

Gary -

Windows 7 Enterprise Service pack 1
FrameMaker 12.0.4.445
Structured interface with unstructured files

I have the above setup.  I believe that I have the latest update to FrameMaker. 
 I have started the process to get FrameMaker 2015 Release.

I guess I'm missing something in FrameMaker 12 that you have, or I am majorly 
visually impaired this morning.  In the user interfaces - both structured and 
unstructured - I do not find any way to save from .fm to any type of Word 
document.  I imagine that you might have an addon, plugin, or utility that I 
don't have.

I have started to test the save as from PDF file.

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

From: Framers [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Etzel, 
Gary
Sent: 2016-01-06-Wed 08:44
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

There is one updated DLL that you need to make Mif2Go compatible with Frame 12. 
As for FM 2015, we only tested the 30-day trial and we could not get Mif2Go to 
run. We didn't spend any time investigating why. We assumed it was the same 
issue as FM 12, that Mif2Go probably needed a small code update to recognize 
the new version.

Out of curiosity, why do you need Mif2Go? Saving from Frame to Word is much 
better in the more recent versions, or even saving PDF to Word. I know the 
older versions of Frame had serious problems saving to Word, but I don't see 
that with FM 12. What are you not getting that you think Mif2Go will solve?

Regards,

Gary


From: Framers [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed 
Zaeem Hosain
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 9:23 PM
To: Scott Prentice; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

Key for making it work in FrameMaker 12 (and probably FrameMaker 2015 too? but 
I have not tried that version), is the one file that needs to be changed. It is 
described in an older post here or at the website perhaps.

Z

From: Framers [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott 
Prentice
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 01:46 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

http://mif2go.com

Support for FM12/2015 is, from what I understand, not great. I believe that 
some have successfully been able to get it to work. Check the mif2go Yahoo 
group for details.

If you want to help with the future development of Mif2Go, you can download the 
source from GitHub ..

https://github.com/omsys-dev

Cheers,
...scott

On 1/5/16 1:32 PM, Stamm, David wrote:

2016-01-05-02T21:30Z



Please refresh my memory or dispel my ignorance about how and where I may 
obtain Mif2Go for use with FrameMaker 12 and FrameMaker 2015 Release.  This, to 
convert into Word files.



As I recall, Mif2Go and its close relatives were to have become open source 
after Jeremy died.



Thanks,

Dave Stamm

Information Engineer

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Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

2016-01-06 Thread Stamm, David 
2016-01-06-03T16:00Z

Gary -

When FrameMaker has focus on a file - not when I choose a file in the .book 
window - that works for one file at a time.  I need to do this for several 
books, each of which has numerous constituent (or "child") files.  I project 
that each book will be many hundreds of pages.  I've been through the drill of 
having to piece together numerous files to have only one Word file.  That is a 
_lot_ of work.  I expect that to convert from .rtf into some format of Word 
(.doc or .docx) will be just that much more.  Then, if for any reason, I must 
change a source file, then I have to go through the drill again.

It is exactly that type of situation for which the preferred method is to 
encode as many features and functions in the FrameMaker files so that they 
exist in the output such as .pdf.

I just saved one file as .rtf, and in it, simple cross-references to 
subordinate (or "child") headings do not work.  Same in .doc, and the layout is 
severely fouled, to boot.  In .docx, the cross-references do not work, but the 
layout does not appear to be damaged.

It occurs to me that I could combine all the constituent files into only one 
file and not even use the .book feature of FrameMaker, but I'm sure that that 
is not a recommended - let alone a best - practice.

So, those are not possible courses of action for me.  Unless, of course, I 
might be allowed to provide work product of such quality, which I seriously 
doubt.

And, as Dan Harding indicated in his email while I was developing this email, 
.fm to .rtf or .doc or .docx is a bad deal.

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

From: Etzel, Gary [mailto:gary.et...@dnvgl.com]
Sent: 2016-01-06-Wed 10:20
To: Stamm, David-P45904; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

You want File > Save As and for "Save as type", select Microsoft RTF. You can 
open that file in Word and then continue to work on it as an RTF file, or save 
it to a Word format. I prefer going from a PDF to Word over going from FM to 
Word, although the reasons escape me at the moment.

But I don't do hard core work in Word, so I'm just wondering if there is 
something I am missing, of if there is a lingering dedication to Mif2Go based 
on Word conversion issues I know were present back in FM 7 or even 9, but maybe 
not so much today. I hope others will chime in if they have any insight on 
that. I know Jeremy was a great guy and he earned a lot of respect from the FM 
community, but Mif2Go was not an easy tool to work with. It did absolutely 
everything I ever wanted it to do, but it was not an easy path to get there.

Regards,

Gary


From: Stamm, David [mailto:david.st...@gd-ms.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 10:05 AM
To: Etzel, Gary; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

2016-01-06-03T15:05Z

Gary -

Windows 7 Enterprise Service pack 1
FrameMaker 12.0.4.445
Structured interface with unstructured files

I have the above setup.  I believe that I have the latest update to FrameMaker. 
 I have started the process to get FrameMaker 2015 Release.

I guess I'm missing something in FrameMaker 12 that you have, or I am majorly 
visually impaired this morning.  In the user interfaces - both structured and 
unstructured - I do not find any way to save from .fm to any type of Word 
document.  I imagine that you might have an addon, plugin, or utility that I 
don't have.

I have started to test the save as from PDF file.

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

From: Framers [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Etzel, 
Gary
Sent: 2016-01-06-Wed 08:44
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

There is one updated DLL that you need to make Mif2Go compatible with Frame 12. 
As for FM 2015, we only tested the 30-day trial and we could not get Mif2Go to 
run. We didn't spend any time investigating why. We assumed it was the same 
issue as FM 12, that Mif2Go probably needed a small code update to recognize 
the new version.

Out of curiosity, why do you need Mif2Go? Saving from Frame to Word is much 
better in the more recent versions, or even saving PDF to Word. I know the 
older versions of Frame had serious problems saving to Word, but I don't see 
that with FM 12. What are you not getting that you think Mif2Go will solve?

Regards,

Gary


From: Framers [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed 
Zaeem Hosain
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 9:23 PM
To: Scott Prentice; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

Key for making it work in FrameMaker 12 (and probably FrameMaker 2015 too? but 
I have not tried that version), is the one file that needs to be changed. It is 
described in an older pos

Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

2016-01-06 Thread Steve Rickaby 
At 16:27 + 6/1/16, Denis Daly wrote:

>Does anyone have an opinion on using Acrobat Writer to edit the PDF file 
>created from FM? The intention being to not revert to the original FM file and 
>that all future edits would be done using Acrobat writer only.
> 
>This process only to be used on a small number of FM files. 'Normal' practice 
>is to use FM exclusively. I am thinking of doing this as my workload is 
>increasing and we do not intend to purchase a second FM licence or train a 
>second user in FM. Instead a second person is available but that person has 
>Acrobat writer experience.

This sounds like bad practise to me - it has the makings of a version control 
nightmare. How, for example, are you going to link the (possibly several) 
changed PDFs with their FrameMaker master document?

You do not say which version of FrameMaker you are using, but later versions 
have the ability to import PDF review comments:



The note 'Note: The source document should not be changed between generating 
PDF and importing comments' is no longer true with FrameMaker 12's enhanced 
Acrobat comment import feature:



Might help?

(Disclaimer: I have to used this feature.)

-- 
Steve

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Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

2016-01-06 Thread Stamm, David 
2016-01-06-03T17:05Z

This is to end this thread.  I you want to raise subjects that are 
significantly different from that of the thread, please start a new thread.

Many thanks to all who responded to my thread, "Mif2Go conversion to Word," 
which I started at 2016-01-05-02T21:30Z.

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From: Denis Daly [mailto:d.d...@icpnewtech.com]
Sent: 2016-01-06-Wed 11:28
To: Stamm, David-P45904; Etzel, Gary; FrameMaker user's list posting
Subject: RE: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

I have been following this particular thread with interest.

Does anyone have an opinion on using Acrobat Writer to edit the PDF file 
created from FM? The intention being to not revert to the original FM file and 
that all future edits would be done using Acrobat writer only.

This process only to be used on a small number of FM files. 'Normal' practice 
is to use FM exclusively. I am thinking of doing this as my workload is 
increasing and we do not intend to purchase a second FM licence or train a 
second user in FM. Instead a second person is available but that person has 
Acrobat writer experience.

Thoughts appreciated.

Thanks,

Denis

From: Framers [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stamm, 
David
Sent: 06 January 2016 15:58
To: Etzel, Gary <gary.et...@dnvgl.com<mailto:gary.et...@dnvgl.com>>; FrameMaker 
user's list posting 
<framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

2016-01-06-03T16:00Z

Gary -

When FrameMaker has focus on a file - not when I choose a file in the .book 
window - that works for one file at a time.  I need to do this for several 
books, each of which has numerous constituent (or "child") files.  I project 
that each book will be many hundreds of pages.  I've been through the drill of 
having to piece together numerous files to have only one Word file.  That is a 
_lot_ of work.  I expect that to convert from .rtf into some format of Word 
(.doc or .docx) will be just that much more.  Then, if for any reason, I must 
change a source file, then I have to go through the drill again.

It is exactly that type of situation for which the preferred method is to 
encode as many features and functions in the FrameMaker files so that they 
exist in the output such as .pdf.

I just saved one file as .rtf, and in it, simple cross-references to 
subordinate (or "child") headings do not work.  Same in .doc, and the layout is 
severely fouled, to boot.  In .docx, the cross-references do not work, but the 
layout does not appear to be damaged.

It occurs to me that I could combine all the constituent files into only one 
file and not even use the .book feature of FrameMaker, but I'm sure that that 
is not a recommended - let alone a best - practice.

So, those are not possible courses of action for me.  Unless, of course, I 
might be allowed to provide work product of such quality, which I seriously 
doubt.

And, as Dan Harding indicated in his email while I was developing this email, 
.fm to .rtf or .doc or .docx is a bad deal.

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

From: Etzel, Gary [mailto:gary.et...@dnvgl.com]
Sent: 2016-01-06-Wed 10:20
To: Stamm, David-P45904; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

You want File > Save As and for "Save as type", select Microsoft RTF. You can 
open that file in Word and then continue to work on it as an RTF file, or save 
it to a Word format. I prefer going from a PDF to Word over going from FM to 
Word, although the reasons escape me at the moment.

But I don't do hard core work in Word, so I'm just wondering if there is 
something I am missing, of if there is a lingering dedication to Mif2Go based 
on Word conversion issues I know were present back in FM 7 or even 9, but maybe 
not so much today. I hope others will chime in if they have any insight on 
that. I know Jeremy was a great guy and he earned a

Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

2016-01-06 Thread Denis Daly 
I have been following this particular thread with interest.

Does anyone have an opinion on using Acrobat Writer to edit the PDF file 
created from FM? The intention being to not revert to the original FM file and 
that all future edits would be done using Acrobat writer only.

This process only to be used on a small number of FM files. 'Normal' practice 
is to use FM exclusively. I am thinking of doing this as my workload is 
increasing and we do not intend to purchase a second FM licence or train a 
second user in FM. Instead a second person is available but that person has 
Acrobat writer experience.

Thoughts appreciated.

Thanks,

Denis

From: Framers [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stamm, 
David
Sent: 06 January 2016 15:58
To: Etzel, Gary <gary.et...@dnvgl.com>; FrameMaker user's list posting 
<framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

2016-01-06-03T16:00Z

Gary -

When FrameMaker has focus on a file - not when I choose a file in the .book 
window - that works for one file at a time.  I need to do this for several 
books, each of which has numerous constituent (or "child") files.  I project 
that each book will be many hundreds of pages.  I've been through the drill of 
having to piece together numerous files to have only one Word file.  That is a 
_lot_ of work.  I expect that to convert from .rtf into some format of Word 
(.doc or .docx) will be just that much more.  Then, if for any reason, I must 
change a source file, then I have to go through the drill again.

It is exactly that type of situation for which the preferred method is to 
encode as many features and functions in the FrameMaker files so that they 
exist in the output such as .pdf.

I just saved one file as .rtf, and in it, simple cross-references to 
subordinate (or "child") headings do not work.  Same in .doc, and the layout is 
severely fouled, to boot.  In .docx, the cross-references do not work, but the 
layout does not appear to be damaged.

It occurs to me that I could combine all the constituent files into only one 
file and not even use the .book feature of FrameMaker, but I'm sure that that 
is not a recommended - let alone a best - practice.

So, those are not possible courses of action for me.  Unless, of course, I 
might be allowed to provide work product of such quality, which I seriously 
doubt.

And, as Dan Harding indicated in his email while I was developing this email, 
.fm to .rtf or .doc or .docx is a bad deal.

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

From: Etzel, Gary [mailto:gary.et...@dnvgl.com]
Sent: 2016-01-06-Wed 10:20
To: Stamm, David-P45904; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

You want File > Save As and for "Save as type", select Microsoft RTF. You can 
open that file in Word and then continue to work on it as an RTF file, or save 
it to a Word format. I prefer going from a PDF to Word over going from FM to 
Word, although the reasons escape me at the moment.

But I don't do hard core work in Word, so I'm just wondering if there is 
something I am missing, of if there is a lingering dedication to Mif2Go based 
on Word conversion issues I know were present back in FM 7 or even 9, but maybe 
not so much today. I hope others will chime in if they have any insight on 
that. I know Jeremy was a great guy and he earned a lot of respect from the FM 
community, but Mif2Go was not an easy tool to work with. It did absolutely 
everything I ever wanted it to do, but it was not an easy path to get there.

Regards,

Gary


From: Stamm, David [mailto:david.st...@gd-ms.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 10:05 AM
To: Etzel, Gary; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

2016-01-06-03T15:05Z

Gary -

Windows 7 Enterprise Service pack 1
FrameMaker 12.0.4.445
Structured interface with unstructured files

I have the above setup.  I believe that I have the latest update to FrameMaker. 
 I have started the process to get FrameMaker 2015 Release.

I guess I'm missing something in FrameMaker 12 that you have, or I am majorly 
visually impaired this morning.  In the user interfaces - both structured and 
unstructured - I do not find any way to save from .fm to any type of Word 
document.  I imagine that you might have an addon, plugin, or utility that I 
don't have.

I have started to test the save as from PDF file.

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

From: Framers [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Etzel, 
Gary
Sent: 2016-01-06-Wed 08:44
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

There is one updated DLL that you need to make Mif2Go compatible with Frame 12. 
As for FM 2015, we only tested the 30-day trial and we could not get Mif2Go

Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

2016-01-06 Thread Steve Rickaby 
At 18:00 + 6/1/16, Steve Rickaby wrote:

>(Disclaimer: I have to used this feature.)

Did I? I of course meant to write 'I have *not* used this feature.' Yet.

-- 
Steve

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Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

2016-01-05 Thread Scott Prentice 

http://mif2go.com

Support for FM12/2015 is, from what I understand, not great. I believe 
that some have successfully been able to get it to work. Check the 
mif2go Yahoo group for details.


If you want to help with the future development of Mif2Go, you can 
download the source from GitHub ..


https://github.com/omsys-dev

Cheers,
...scott



On 1/5/16 1:32 PM, Stamm, David wrote:

2016-01-05-02T21:30Z

Please refresh my memory or dispel my ignorance about how and where I may 
obtain Mif2Go for use with FrameMaker 12 and FrameMaker 2015 Release.  This, to 
convert into Word files.

As I recall, Mif2Go and its close relatives were to have become open source 
after Jeremy died.

Thanks,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer




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Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

2016-01-05 Thread Jeff Coatsworth 
See http://mif2go.com/download/registered.html 

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From: Framers [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stamm, 
David
Sent: January-05-16 4:32 PM
To: FrameMaker user's list posting
Subject: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

2016-01-05-02T21:30Z

Please refresh my memory or dispel my ignorance about how and where I may 
obtain Mif2Go for use with FrameMaker 12 and FrameMaker 2015 Release.  This, to 
convert into Word files.

As I recall, Mif2Go and its close relatives were to have become open source 
after Jeremy died.

Thanks,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer


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[Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

2016-01-05 Thread Stamm, David 
2016-01-05-02T21:30Z

Please refresh my memory or dispel my ignorance about how and where I may 
obtain Mif2Go for use with FrameMaker 12 and FrameMaker 2015 Release.  This, to 
convert into Word files.

As I recall, Mif2Go and its close relatives were to have become open source 
after Jeremy died.

Thanks,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer


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Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

2016-01-05 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain 
Key for making it work in FrameMaker 12 (and probably FrameMaker 2015 too? but 
I have not tried that version), is the one file that needs to be changed. It is 
described in an older post here or at the website perhaps.

Z

From: Framers [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott 
Prentice
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 01:46 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif2Go conversion to Word

http://mif2go.com

Support for FM12/2015 is, from what I understand, not great. I believe that 
some have successfully been able to get it to work. Check the mif2go Yahoo 
group for details.

If you want to help with the future development of Mif2Go, you can download the 
source from GitHub ..

https://github.com/omsys-dev

Cheers,
...scott

On 1/5/16 1:32 PM, Stamm, David wrote:

2016-01-05-02T21:30Z



Please refresh my memory or dispel my ignorance about how and where I may 
obtain Mif2Go for use with FrameMaker 12 and FrameMaker 2015 Release.  This, to 
convert into Word files.



As I recall, Mif2Go and its close relatives were to have become open source 
after Jeremy died.



Thanks,

Dave Stamm

Information Engineer
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