RE: Display Using Printer Metrics
Hi all, Very interesting posts as always. The discussion of display using printer metrics change in the .ini file is interesting. At times, I use several printers here for a single document when editing/supplying hard-copies. Wouldn't changing the display using printer metrics setting to ON provide a different visual representation of alignments within my document when viewing the Framemaker file on my computer? Since the setting name implies it is printer-specific, I would think that the display of my FM file on my screen would vary according the last printer selected within the document. Also, if I am wrong, what is the incentive for the Frame developers to leave this feature turned off by default? What are the drawbacks from this .ini file modification? James Dyson Associate Technical Writer KVH Industries, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kvh.com - Kevin Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/08/06 06:53 hi all, I have a situation that would seem to be simple, but I can't find a good solution. In one of our user guides we have a lengthy list of items that I've placed into a 4-column table. The table spans several pages. The table is also frequently ammended (entries added or removed), so the length and relative position of the rows vis a vis the page breaks changes. I want to add column headings for the four columns, that are aligned correctly with the columns they correspond to. I want these column headings to appear at the top of the table, as well as at the top of every subsequent page. So I'm trying to use the Table Title. However, when I use the title, I find I can't put tab stops in, because when I actually press the tab key, the cursor jumps to the first table cell. So in order to place my table headings, I have to set the alignment on that style to left, and space space space over to a spot that approximately lines up with the column below, and type my heading. This works all right (but not great; alignment isn't exact) while I'm looking at the thing on the screen, but when I generate the PDF version, the column heading locations vary slightly from the screen version I'm looking at and don't line up perfectly with the columns. So I end up having to mess with the spacing, re-gen the PDF (which is a pain) and so on, until I end up with something that works in the PDF, but looks wrong on my screen. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Kevin Hunter ESDI The information contained in this electronic mail transmission is intended by KVH Industries for the use of the named individual or entity to which it is directed and may contain information that is confidential or privileged. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of the error by reply email so that the sender's address records can be corrected. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Display Using Printer Metrics
The point is that the results you get when you print a document (to paper or to PDF) are dependent on the printer and the font \metrics that it is using, so would you prefer the on-screen display to reflect the results you'll get when you print or would you prefer that it show you something different than you'll see in your final deliverable? Every printer has slightly different dimensions for the space each glyph occupies on a line, so the length of a line, and where the line needs to break will vary slightly from one printer to another. Sometimes the line length differences are small enough that they don't matter; sometimes all those subtle differences add up to enough that a line breaks one word earlier or later. And that can affect the length of a paragraph, which can affect the page break, and that change in the page break can ripple onward to affect the length of your chapter and change the page number and make your TOC and cross-references incorrect. This is why FrameMaker annoys you with that warning message about font information has changed whenever you change the printer. (MS Word on the other hand, just lets things change and never warns you at all...) With the DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics setting in maker.ini turned off, FrameMaker displays each glyph in it's original form, using however many pixels it takes to produce the shape at 96 dpi. If you change the zoom factor, you'll see the length of your text lines change because the required number of pixels gets quantized differently at each zoom factor. For example, at small zoom factors you may see some lines become unnaturally wide, extending past the right margin or extending beyond the cell border in a table. But each individual glyph will be properly shaped. With the Display... option turned on, FrameMaker distorts the shapes of individual glyphs (and sometimes the space between glyphs) in the on-screen display only in order to make the length of each line match the length that you'll get in the printed (hard copy or PDF) output. No more lines extending into the margin or colliding with cell borders, no more line length changes at different screen zoom factors. But the downside is that the glyphs are not as cleanly, clearly shaped as they should be. So you pay your money and you take your choice. For me, the choice is clear. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Dyson Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 9:56 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Display Using Printer Metrics Hi all, Very interesting posts as always. The discussion of display using printer metrics change in the .ini file is interesting. At times, I use several printers here for a single document when editing/supplying hard-copies. Wouldn't changing the display using printer metrics setting to ON provide a different visual representation of alignments within my document when viewing the Framemaker file on my computer? Since the setting name implies it is printer-specific, I would think that the display of my FM file on my screen would vary according the last printer selected within the document. Also, if I am wrong, what is the incentive for the Frame developers to leave this feature turned off by default? What are the drawbacks from this .ini file modification? James Dyson Associate Technical Writer KVH Industries, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kvh.com - Kevin Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/08/06 06:53 hi all, I have a situation that would seem to be simple, but I can't find a good solution. In one of our user guides we have a lengthy list of items that I've placed into a 4-column table. The table spans several pages. The table is also frequently ammended (entries added or removed), so the length and relative position of the rows vis a vis the page breaks changes. I want to add column headings for the four columns, that are aligned correctly with the columns they correspond to. I want these column headings to appear at the top of the table, as well as at the top of every subsequent page. So I'm trying to use the Table Title. However, when I use the title, I find I can't put tab stops in, because when I actually press the tab key, the cursor jumps to the first table cell. So in order to place my table headings, I have to set the alignment on that style to left, and space space space over to a spot that approximately lines up with the column below, and type my heading. This works all right (but not great; alignment isn't exact) while I'm looking at the thing on the screen, but when I generate the PDF version, the column heading locations vary slightly from the screen version I'm looking at and don't line up perfectly with the columns. So I end up having to mess with the spacing, re-gen the PDF (which
Re: Display Using Printer Metrics
Hello Kevin, I want to add column headings for the four columns, that are aligned correctly with the columns they correspond to. Wouldn't setting an equal alignment of body and heading columns result in a correct alignment? I want these column headings to appear at the top of the table, as well as at the top of every subsequent page. So I'm trying to use the Table Title. Instead of using the table title: Did you try using heading rows? They do appear at the top of the table, as well as at the top of every subsequent page. If actually your column headings do not appear on every subsequent page, select a cell in that row (ctrl + click) and examine the status line. It should say: Heading Cells. If the row is actually a body row (Body Cells), create a real heading row via Table Add Rows or Columns | Row(s): To Heading. (see also: http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/tablecleaner/index.htm) I find I can't put tab stops in, because when I actually press the tab key, the cursor jumps to the first table cell. In table cells (and table titles), you need to use the key combination Esc Tab to insert a tab stop. Kind regards, Klaus Kevin Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/08/06 06:53 hi all, I have a situation that would seem to be simple, but I can't find a good solution. In one of our user guides we have a lengthy list of items that I've placed into a 4-column table. The table spans several pages. The table is also frequently ammended (entries added or removed), so the length and relative position of the rows vis a vis the page breaks changes. I want to add column headings for the four columns, that are aligned correctly with the columns they correspond to. I want these column headings to appear at the top of the table, as well as at the top of every subsequent page. So I'm trying to use the Table Title. However, when I use the title, I find I can't put tab stops in, because when I actually press the tab key, the cursor jumps to the first table cell. So in order to place my table headings, I have to set the alignment on that style to left, and space space space over to a spot that approximately lines up with the column below, and type my heading. This works all right (but not great; alignment isn't exact) while I'm looking at the thing on the screen, but when I generate the PDF version, the column heading locations vary slightly from the screen version I'm looking at and don't line up perfectly with the columns. So I end up having to mess with the spacing, re-gen the PDF (which is a pain) and so on, until I end up with something that works in the PDF, but looks wrong on my screen. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Kevin Hunter ESDI ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Display Using Printer Metrics
Hi all, Very interesting posts as always. The discussion of display using printer metrics change in the .ini file is interesting. At times, I use several printers here for a single document when editing/supplying hard-copies. Wouldn't changing the "display using printer metrics" setting to ON provide a different visual representation of alignments within my document when viewing the Framemaker file on my computer? Since the setting name implies it is printer-specific, I would think that the display of my FM file on my screen would vary according the last printer selected within the document. Also, if I am wrong, what is the incentive for the Frame developers to leave this feature turned off by default? What are the drawbacks from this .ini file modification? James Dyson Associate Technical Writer KVH Industries, Inc. jdyson at kvh.com http://www.kvh.com - >>> Kevin Hunter 11/08/06 06:53 >>> hi all, I have a situation that would seem to be simple, but I can't find a good solution. In one of our user guides we have a lengthy list of items that I've placed into a 4-column table. The table spans several pages. The table is also frequently ammended (entries added or removed), so the length and relative position of the rows vis a vis the page breaks changes. I want to add column headings for the four columns, that are aligned correctly with the columns they correspond to. I want these column headings to appear at the top of the table, as well as at the top of every subsequent page. So I'm trying to use the Table Title. However, when I use the title, I find I can't put tab stops in, because when I actually press the tab key, the cursor jumps to the first table cell. So in order to place my table headings, I have to set the alignment on that style to left, and space space space over to a spot that approximately lines up with the column below, and type my heading. This works all right (but not great; alignment isn't exact) while I'm looking at the thing on the screen, but when I generate the PDF version, the column heading locations vary slightly from the screen version I'm looking at and don't line up perfectly with the columns. So I end up having to mess with the spacing, re-gen the PDF (which is a pain) and so on, until I end up with something that works in the PDF, but looks wrong on my screen. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Kevin Hunter ESDI The information contained in this electronic mail transmission is intended by KVH Industries for the use of the named individual or entity to which it is directed and may contain information that is confidential or privileged. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of the error by reply email so that the sender's address records can be corrected.
Display Using Printer Metrics
The point is that the results you get when you print a document (to paper or to PDF) are dependent on the printer and the font \metrics that it is using, so would you prefer the on-screen display to reflect the results you'll get when you print or would you prefer that it show you something different than you'll see in your final deliverable? Every printer has slightly different dimensions for the space each glyph occupies on a line, so the length of a line, and where the line needs to break will vary slightly from one printer to another. Sometimes the line length differences are small enough that they don't matter; sometimes all those subtle differences add up to enough that a line breaks one word earlier or later. And that can affect the length of a paragraph, which can affect the page break, and that change in the page break can ripple onward to affect the length of your chapter and change the page number and make your TOC and cross-references incorrect. This is why FrameMaker annoys you with that warning message about "font information has changed" whenever you change the printer. (MS Word on the other hand, just lets things change and never warns you at all...) With the "DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics" setting in maker.ini turned off, FrameMaker displays each glyph in it's original form, using however many pixels it takes to produce the shape at 96 dpi. If you change the zoom factor, you'll see the length of your text lines change because the required number of pixels gets quantized differently at each zoom factor. For example, at small zoom factors you may see some lines become unnaturally wide, extending past the right margin or extending beyond the cell border in a table. But each individual glyph will be properly shaped. With the "Display..." option turned on, FrameMaker distorts the shapes of individual glyphs (and sometimes the space between glyphs) in the on-screen display only in order to make the length of each line match the length that you'll get in the printed (hard copy or PDF) output. No more lines extending into the margin or colliding with cell borders, no more line length changes at different screen zoom factors. But the downside is that the glyphs are not as cleanly, clearly shaped as they should be. So you pay your money and you take your choice. For me, the choice is clear. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of James Dyson Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 9:56 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Display Using Printer Metrics Hi all, Very interesting posts as always. The discussion of display using printer metrics change in the .ini file is interesting. At times, I use several printers here for a single document when editing/supplying hard-copies. Wouldn't changing the "display using printer metrics" setting to ON provide a different visual representation of alignments within my document when viewing the Framemaker file on my computer? Since the setting name implies it is printer-specific, I would think that the display of my FM file on my screen would vary according the last printer selected within the document. Also, if I am wrong, what is the incentive for the Frame developers to leave this feature turned off by default? What are the drawbacks from this .ini file modification? James Dyson Associate Technical Writer KVH Industries, Inc. jdyson at kvh.com http://www.kvh.com - >>> Kevin Hunter 11/08/06 06:53 >>> hi all, I have a situation that would seem to be simple, but I can't find a good solution. In one of our user guides we have a lengthy list of items that I've placed into a 4-column table. The table spans several pages. The table is also frequently ammended (entries added or removed), so the length and relative position of the rows vis a vis the page breaks changes. I want to add column headings for the four columns, that are aligned correctly with the columns they correspond to. I want these column headings to appear at the top of the table, as well as at the top of every subsequent page. So I'm trying to use the Table Title. However, when I use the title, I find I can't put tab stops in, because when I actually press the tab key, the cursor jumps to the first table cell. So in order to place my table headings, I have to set the alignment on that style to left, and space space space over to a spot that approximately lines up with the column below, and type my heading. This works all right (but not great; alignment isn't exact) while I'm looking at the thing on the screen, but when I generate the PDF version, the column heading locations vary slightly from the
Display Using Printer Metrics
Hello Kevin,
> I want to add column headings for the four columns,
> that are aligned correctly with the columns they
> correspond to.
Wouldn't setting an equal alignment of body and
heading columns result in a correct alignment?
> I want these column headings to appear at the top
> of the table, as well as at the top of every
> subsequent page. So I'm trying to use the Table Title.
Instead of using the table title:
Did you try using heading rows? They do appear at the
top of the table, as well as at the top of every subsequent
page.
If actually your column headings do not appear on every
subsequent page, select a cell in that row (ctrl + click)
and examine the status line. It should say: "Heading Cells".
If the row is actually a body row ("Body Cells"), create
a real heading row via "Table > Add Rows or Columns | Row(s):
To Heading". (see also:
http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/tablecleaner/index.htm)
> I find I can't put tab stops in, because when I
> actually press the tab key, the cursor jumps to
> the first table cell.
In table cells (and table titles), you need to use
the key combination "Esc Tab" to insert a tab stop.
Kind regards,
Klaus
Kevin Hunter 11/08/06 06:53 >>>
> hi all,
>
> I have a situation that would seem to be simple, but I can't find a
> good solution.
>
> In one of our user guides we have a lengthy list of items that I've
> placed into a 4-column table. The table spans several pages. The table
> is also frequently ammended (entries added or removed), so the length
> and relative position of the rows vis a vis the page breaks changes.
>
> I want to add column headings for the four columns, that are aligned
> correctly with the columns they correspond to. I want these column
> headings to appear at the top of the table, as well as at the top of
> every subsequent page. So I'm trying to use the Table Title.
>
> However, when I use the title, I find I can't put tab stops in, because
> when I actually press the tab key, the cursor jumps to the first table
> cell. So in order to place my table headings, I have to set the
> alignment on that style to left, and space space space over to a spot
> that approximately lines up with the column below, and type my heading.
> This works all right (but not great; alignment isn't exact) while I'm
> looking at the thing on the screen, but when I generate the PDF version,
> the column heading locations vary slightly from the screen version I'm
> looking at and don't line up perfectly with the columns. So I end up
> having to mess with the spacing, re-gen the PDF (which is a pain) and so
> on, until I end up with something that works in the PDF, but looks wrong
> on my screen.
>
> Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
>
> Kevin Hunter
> ESDI
