Eliminate blank line?

2007-03-09 Thread Murray Moore

FrameMaker + SGML 6.0p405

We have a two-column table with columns named Field and Description, e.g.

Table
[Field][Description]

This table is in multiple books.

The names of two of the window fields that are listed in the Field 
column and described in the Description column of this table are named 
Folder Status and Description, e.g.


Table
[Field][Description]
Folder Statustext
Description  text

We are importing the descriptions of Folder Status and Description into 
the Description column cells.


The Folder Status text inset is a txt file. The imported text fills the 
cell. Folder Status text inset looks like this:


-- [top border of cell]
TXT text TXT text TXT text
-- [bottom  border of cell]

Good.

But the Description text inset, because it must have formatting, is a 
FrameMaker file. The problem is, when the FM file is imported into the 
Description cell, the imported text plus an empty line fills the cell. 
Description FM inset looks like this:


 [top border of cell]
FM text FM text FM text
[blank line]
 [bottom  border of cell]

What to do to eliminate the blank line?

/\/\
Murray
Mississauga

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Re: Eliminate blank line?

2007-03-09 Thread Stuart Rogers

Murray Moore wrote:


But the Description text inset, because it must have formatting, is a 
FrameMaker file. The problem is, when the FM file is imported into the 
Description cell, the imported text plus an empty line fills the cell. 
Description FM inset looks like this:


 [top border of cell]
FM text FM text FM text
[blank line]
 [bottom  border of cell]

What to do to eliminate the blank line?


If you can change your Description text inset pgf tag so its pagination 
is Run-in Head, the blank will go away.


If you can't change that tag for some reason, then you can't make the 
blank go away, but you can make it almost invisible. Before importing 
the inset, create and apply a pgf tag for the Description cells that 
specifies a font size of 2 pt, and then play with the Bottom Margin 
setting on the Table Cell tab of the pgf designer until you get the 
result you want.


HTH,

--
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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RE: Eliminate blank line?

2007-03-09 Thread Combs, Richard
Murray Moore wrote:
 
 But the Description text inset, because it must have 
 formatting, is a FrameMaker file. The problem is, when the FM 
 file is imported into the Description cell, the imported text 
 plus an empty line fills the cell. 
 Description FM inset looks like this:
 
  [top border of cell] FM text FM text FM text
  [blank line]
  [bottom  border of cell]
 
 What to do to eliminate the blank line?

It doesn't work like the plain text import because you're bringing in an
FM paragraph object, complete with its carriage return, space below,
etc. A text inset has a text location, which is the existing pgf in the
cell. So you end up with at least two pgf objects -- one or more in the
text inset, plus the one that contains the text inset.

Stuart just now beat me to the run-in head solution. So I'll add one
caution to his second solution. Actually, it's something you should
always do when using FM-source text insets: Make sure there is something
-- text or a space -- between the text inset and the end of the pgf into
which you import it. 

It's an annoying FM bug: If the text inset is the only thing (or last
thing) in its container pgf, the container pgf takes on the pgf format
of the first pgf in the text inset. If the text inset starts with a big
heading, this causes some serious spacing grief. 

HTH!
Richard


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Polycom, Inc.
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Re: Eliminate blank line?

2007-03-09 Thread Murray Moore
I can see that Run-in Head would be my solution if the FM files that I 
want to import were simpler.


I made a 2pt pgf tag and used it. But how do I use the Bottom Margin 
setting to reduce the empty space further? The setting is 0.0 pt. I can 
increase the gap but I do not see how to reduce the gap. I tried a 
negative number, -10.0 pt, without effect.


/\/\
Murray

Stuart Rogers wrote:

Murray Moore wrote:


But the Description text inset, because it must have formatting, is a 
FrameMaker file. The problem is, when the FM file is imported into 
the Description cell, the imported text plus an empty line fills the 
cell. Description FM inset looks like this:


 [top border of cell]
FM text FM text FM text
[blank line]
 [bottom  border of cell]

What to do to eliminate the blank line?


If you can change your Description text inset pgf tag so its 
pagination is Run-in Head, the blank will go away.


If you can't change that tag for some reason, then you can't make the 
blank go away, but you can make it almost invisible. Before importing 
the inset, create and apply a pgf tag for the Description cells that 
specifies a font size of 2 pt, and then play with the Bottom Margin 
setting on the Table Cell tab of the pgf designer until you get the 
result you want.


HTH,



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Re: Eliminate blank line?

2007-03-09 Thread Stuart Rogers

Murray Moore wrote:
I can see that Run-in Head would be my solution if the FM files that I 
want to import were simpler.


I made a 2pt pgf tag and used it. But how do I use the Bottom Margin 
setting to reduce the empty space further? The setting is 0.0 pt. I can 
increase the gap but I do not see how to reduce the gap. I tried a 
negative number, -10.0 pt, without effect.




Sorry, my answer wasn't fully fleshed out...

In the Table Designer, reduce your Bottom cell margin by 2pt. (E.g., the 
default is 4pt; change that to 2pt.)


For the cell pgfs containing the insets, on the Table Cell tab of the 
pgf designer, set the Bottom margin to From Table Format plus 0.0.


For your other cell pgfs, on the Table Cell tab of the pgf designer, set 
the Bottom margin to From Table Format plus 2pt.


That should even everything out.

HTH,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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Eliminate blank line?

2007-03-09 Thread Murray Moore
FrameMaker + SGML 6.0p405

We have a two-column table with columns named Field and Description, e.g.

Table
[Field][Description]

This table is in multiple books.

The names of two of the window fields that are listed in the Field 
column and described in the Description column of this table are named 
Folder Status and Description, e.g.

Table
[Field][Description]
Folder Statustext
Description  text

We are importing the descriptions of Folder Status and Description into 
the Description column cells.

The Folder Status text inset is a txt file. The imported text fills the 
cell. Folder Status text inset looks like this:

-- [top border of cell]
TXT text TXT text TXT text
-- [bottom  border of cell]

Good.

But the Description text inset, because it must have formatting, is a 
FrameMaker file. The problem is, when the FM file is imported into the 
Description cell, the imported text plus an empty line fills the cell. 
Description FM inset looks like this:

 [top border of cell]
FM text FM text FM text
 [blank line]
 [bottom  border of cell]

What to do to eliminate the blank line?

/\/\
Murray
Mississauga




Eliminate blank line?

2007-03-09 Thread Stuart Rogers
Murray Moore wrote:
> 
> But the Description text inset, because it must have formatting, is a 
> FrameMaker file. The problem is, when the FM file is imported into the 
> Description cell, the imported text plus an empty line fills the cell. 
> Description FM inset looks like this:
> 
>  [top border of cell]
> FM text FM text FM text
> [blank line]
>  [bottom  border of cell]
> 
> What to do to eliminate the blank line?

If you can change your Description text inset pgf tag so its pagination 
is Run-in Head, the blank will go away.

If you can't change that tag for some reason, then you can't make the 
blank go away, but you can make it almost invisible. Before importing 
the inset, create and apply a pgf tag for the Description cells that 
specifies a font size of 2 pt, and then play with the Bottom Margin 
setting on the Table Cell tab of the pgf designer until you get the 
result you want.

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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Eliminate blank line?

2007-03-09 Thread Combs, Richard
Murray Moore wrote:

> But the Description text inset, because it must have 
> formatting, is a FrameMaker file. The problem is, when the FM 
> file is imported into the Description cell, the imported text 
> plus an empty line fills the cell. 
> Description FM inset looks like this:
> 
>  [top border of cell] FM text FM text FM text
>  [blank line]
>  [bottom  border of cell]
> 
> What to do to eliminate the blank line?

It doesn't work like the plain text import because you're bringing in an
FM paragraph object, complete with its "carriage return," space below,
etc. A text inset has a text location, which is the existing pgf in the
cell. So you end up with at least two pgf objects -- one or more in the
text inset, plus the one that contains the text inset.

Stuart just now beat me to the run-in head solution. So I'll add one
caution to his second solution. Actually, it's something you should
always do when using FM-source text insets: Make sure there is something
-- text or a space -- between the text inset and the end of the pgf into
which you import it. 

It's an annoying FM bug: If the text inset is the only thing (or last
thing) in its "container" pgf, the container pgf takes on the pgf format
of the first pgf in the text inset. If the text inset starts with a big
heading, this causes some serious spacing grief. 

HTH!
Richard


--
Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--







Eliminate blank line?

2007-03-09 Thread Murray Moore
I can see that Run-in Head would be my solution if the FM files that I 
want to import were simpler.

I made a 2pt pgf tag and used it. But how do I use the Bottom Margin 
setting to reduce the empty space further? The setting is 0.0 pt. I can 
increase the gap but I do not see how to reduce the gap. I tried a 
negative number, -10.0 pt, without effect.

/\/\
Murray

Stuart Rogers wrote:
> Murray Moore wrote:
>>
>> But the Description text inset, because it must have formatting, is a 
>> FrameMaker file. The problem is, when the FM file is imported into 
>> the Description cell, the imported text plus an empty line fills the 
>> cell. Description FM inset looks like this:
>>
>>  [top border of cell]
>> FM text FM text FM text
>> [blank line]
>>  [bottom  border of cell]
>>
>> What to do to eliminate the blank line?
>
> If you can change your Description text inset pgf tag so its 
> pagination is Run-in Head, the blank will go away.
>
> If you can't change that tag for some reason, then you can't make the 
> blank go away, but you can make it almost invisible. Before importing 
> the inset, create and apply a pgf tag for the Description cells that 
> specifies a font size of 2 pt, and then play with the Bottom Margin 
> setting on the Table Cell tab of the pgf designer until you get the 
> result you want.
>
> HTH,
>




Eliminate blank line?

2007-03-09 Thread Stuart Rogers
Murray Moore wrote:
> I can see that Run-in Head would be my solution if the FM files that I 
> want to import were simpler.
> 
> I made a 2pt pgf tag and used it. But how do I use the Bottom Margin 
> setting to reduce the empty space further? The setting is 0.0 pt. I can 
> increase the gap but I do not see how to reduce the gap. I tried a 
> negative number, -10.0 pt, without effect.
> 

Sorry, my answer wasn't fully fleshed out...

In the Table Designer, reduce your Bottom cell margin by 2pt. (E.g., the 
default is 4pt; change that to 2pt.)

For the cell pgfs containing the insets, on the Table Cell tab of the 
pgf designer, set the Bottom margin to From Table Format plus 0.0.

For your other cell pgfs, on the Table Cell tab of the pgf designer, set 
the Bottom margin to From Table Format plus 2pt.

That should even everything out.

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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