Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

[Geoffrey Marnell]

Hi Framers,
 
A posting some weeks ago mentioned a utility that could extract graphics
copied into FM files and restore them in their original format. I should
have been paying more attention at the time, but can someone remind me what
that utility is called? (I'm hoping it can do a better job than Acrobat.)
 
BTW: does anyone know of a similar utility that can pull graphics out of MS
Word documents?
 
Cheers
 

Geoffrey Marnell
Principal Consultant
Abelard Consulting Pty Ltd
T: (+61 3) 9596 3456
F: (+61 3) 9596 3625
W: http://www.abelard.com.au http://www.abelard.com.au/ 

 

 
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RE: Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

[Pinkham, Jim]

For the latter task, Geofrrey, I'd recommend you consult Extracting
Images Embedded in Word Documents by Lyn Eggleston:
http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/aboutgraphics/ss/extractword.htm. For
the former, one of the accomplishments of Bruce Foster's Archive Plug-In
is the ability to pull graphics from various and sundry places on your
network and bring them all together under one digital roof:
http://home.comcast.net/~bruce.foster/Archive.htm.

Jim

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Subject: Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

Hi Framers,
 
A posting some weeks ago mentioned a utility that could extract graphics
copied into FM files and restore them in their original format. I should
have been paying more attention at the time, but can someone remind me
what that utility is called? (I'm hoping it can do a better job than
Acrobat.)
 
BTW: does anyone know of a similar utility that can pull graphics out of
MS Word documents?
 
Cheers
 

Geoffrey Marnell
Principal Consultant
Abelard Consulting Pty Ltd
T: (+61 3) 9596 3456
F: (+61 3) 9596 3625
W: http://www.abelard.com.au http://www.abelard.com.au/ 

 

 
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RE: Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

[Phil Heron]

Hi Geoffrey,

I'm not an expert on graphics but I've had success in the past using the
Save as HTML function in both Frame and Word. Taking this option saves
each image as a graphic file.

In Frame, you can choose between GIF, JPEG and PNG as the graphic
format. Specify which one to use on the HTML Options dialog (Utilities 
HTML Setup - Options button).

I'm not sure what format Word uses or whether you have a choice of
formats.

Phil Heron
Technical Writer - CODA
www.coda.com

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Subject: Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

Hi Framers,
 
A posting some weeks ago mentioned a utility that could extract graphics
copied into FM files and restore them in their original format. I should
have been paying more attention at the time, but can someone remind me
what that utility is called? (I'm hoping it can do a better job than
Acrobat.)
 
BTW: does anyone know of a similar utility that can pull graphics out of
MS Word documents?
 
Cheers
 

Geoffrey Marnell
Principal Consultant
Abelard Consulting Pty Ltd
T: (+61 3) 9596 3456
F: (+61 3) 9596 3625
W: http://www.abelard.com.au http://www.abelard.com.au/ 

 

 
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Re: Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

[Joel Wilhelm]

I would just use SnagIt from TechSmith and take new pictures from the Word
docs.

Joel

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Phil Heron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Geoffrey,

 I'm not an expert on graphics but I've had success in the past using the
 Save as HTML function in both Frame and Word. Taking this option saves
 each image as a graphic file.

 In Frame, you can choose between GIF, JPEG and PNG as the graphic
 format. Specify which one to use on the HTML Options dialog (Utilities 
 HTML Setup - Options button).

 I'm not sure what format Word uses or whether you have a choice of
 formats.

 Phil Heron
 Technical Writer - CODA
 www.coda.com

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 Subject: Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

 Hi Framers,

 A posting some weeks ago mentioned a utility that could extract graphics
 copied into FM files and restore them in their original format. I should
 have been paying more attention at the time, but can someone remind me
 what that utility is called? (I'm hoping it can do a better job than
 Acrobat.)

 BTW: does anyone know of a similar utility that can pull graphics out of
 MS Word documents?

 Cheers


 Geoffrey Marnell
 Principal Consultant
 Abelard Consulting Pty Ltd
 T: (+61 3) 9596 3456
 F: (+61 3) 9596 3625
 W: http://www.abelard.com.au http://www.abelard.com.au/




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Re: Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Fri, 2 May 2008 10:02:25 +1000, Geoffrey Marnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

A posting some weeks ago mentioned a utility that could extract graphics
copied into FM files and restore them in their original format. I should
have been paying more attention at the time, but can someone remind me what
that utility is called? (I'm hoping it can do a better job than Acrobat.)

Yes.  Mif2Go can do that for you, and it works fine with the demo
version; you don't have to buy it:
  http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm

The process is described in the User's Guide, par. 29.2.3, Exporting 
and converting embedded graphics.  It works best if the image is alone
in its anchored frame; then you get the original format at full original
resolution back.  You do *not* get the original name, because Frame does
not store it; yet another reason never to embed graphics.

Worst case, Mif2Go exports the graphic at screen resolution, in the
format you select (usually GIF or JPEG), using Frame's native graphic
export filters.  In that case, callouts, montages, etc., are retained,
but the resolution is generally much worse than the original was.
 
BTW: does anyone know of a similar utility that can pull graphics out of MS
Word documents?

Actually, you can do that with another utility included with Mif2Go,
exwmf.exe.  Save the Word file as RTF, and run the utility from the
command line, as described in par. 29.6.2, Using the Mif2Go exwmf 
utility.  Word *does* retain the names of the graphics it embeds,
so you will get back WMFs containing Word's internal representation
of each image named originalname.wmf.

HTH!

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Re: Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

[Dennis Brunnenmeyer]

As far as I know, the previous suggestion of simply saving the Word 
file as in HTML format is as simple and as *accurate* as you can get. 
I can't imagine why one would need a third-party utility or a screen 
shot application to do this, but then my imagination is limited to 
personal experiences. Try it.

At 01:05 PM 5/2/2008, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:
 BTW: does anyone know of a similar utility that can pull graphics out of MS
 Word documents?

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
Director of Engineering
CEDAR RIDGE SYSTEMS
15019 Rattlesnake Road
Grass Valley, CA 95945-8710
Office: (530) 477-9015
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Re: Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Fri, 02 May 2008 13:45:07 -0700, Dennis Brunnenmeyer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

As far as I know, the previous suggestion of simply saving the Word 
file as in HTML format is as simple and as *accurate* as you can get. 
I can't imagine why one would need a third-party utility or a screen 
shot application to do this, but then my imagination is limited to 
personal experiences. Try it.

LOL!  For many purposes, the save-as-HTML method may be adequate.
But it *is* more-or-less lossy, compared to the internal WMF Word 
retains, depending on the original format of the image.

For vector images imported into Word, the loss is major, as the
vector elements (such as equations, for example) are converted
to bitmaps (GIF or JPEG) as part of the save-as-HTML process.
Text becomes fuzzy, thin lines break up, sharp edges lose some
definition.

For images that were originally bitmaps, the loss comes from the
resampling Word does when creating the output bitmaps at screen
resolution.  If the original was also at screen resolution, the
resampling errors may have only minor consequences (text harder
to read), but if it was at print resolution, the loss is worse
(from 300dpi down to 96dpi), resulting in ugly printed images.

All that can be avoided by extracting the internal WMF images
(which can include both bitmap and vector components) from
the Word RTF file directly.  That's what exwmf.exe does.  And
since it is fully functional in the demo version of Mif2Go, at:
  http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm
it is *free*, with our blessings.  What's not to like?  ;-)

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
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Re: Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

[Mike Wickham]

 A posting some weeks ago mentioned a utility that could extract graphics
 copied into FM files and restore them in their original format. I should
 have been paying more attention at the time, but can someone remind me 
 what
 that utility is called? (I'm hoping it can do a better job than Acrobat.)

Export Copied Graphics, part of the Systec Toolbox, might be what you're 
looking for:

https://www.systec-gmbh.com/os/product_info.php?info=p264_Export-copied-graphics--TB-8-0-WIN-.htmlXTCsid=afec57784912ef717a8b43a91b8993b9

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Re: Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

[Dennis Brunnenmeyer]

Jeremy...

You may very well be correct, especially with vector-based images. 
The document I was working with only had JPEG images of rather 
complex equipment. When I saved the document as HTML, the original, 
uncropped high-resolution JPEGs were there for the taking.

Since the client did not have the originals, this seemed like manna 
from heaven.

Dennis...

At 05:24 PM 5/2/2008, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:
On Fri, 02 May 2008 13:45:07 -0700, Dennis Brunnenmeyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 As far as I know, the previous suggestion of simply saving the Word
 file as in HTML format is as simple and as *accurate* as you can get.
 I can't imagine why one would need a third-party utility or a screen
 shot application to do this, but then my imagination is limited to
 personal experiences. Try it.

LOL!  For many purposes, the save-as-HTML method may be adequate.
But it *is* more-or-less lossy, compared to the internal WMF Word
retains, depending on the original format of the image.

For vector images imported into Word, the loss is major, as the
vector elements (such as equations, for example) are converted
to bitmaps (GIF or JPEG) as part of the save-as-HTML process.
Text becomes fuzzy, thin lines break up, sharp edges lose some
definition.

For images that were originally bitmaps, the loss comes from the
resampling Word does when creating the output bitmaps at screen
resolution.  If the original was also at screen resolution, the
resampling errors may have only minor consequences (text harder
to read), but if it was at print resolution, the loss is worse
(from 300dpi down to 96dpi), resulting in ugly printed images.

All that can be avoided by extracting the internal WMF images
(which can include both bitmap and vector components) from
the Word RTF file directly.  That's what exwmf.exe does.  And
since it is fully functional in the demo version of Mif2Go, at:
   http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm
it is *free*, with our blessings.  What's not to like?  ;-)

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://www.omsys.com/

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
Director of Engineering
CEDAR RIDGE SYSTEMS
15019 Rattlesnake Road
Grass Valley, CA 95945-8710
Office: (530) 477-9015
Fax:  (530) 477-9085
Mobile: (530) 320-9025
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Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

[Geoffrey Marnell]

Hi Framers,

A posting some weeks ago mentioned a utility that could extract graphics
copied into FM files and restore them in their original format. I should
have been paying more attention at the time, but can someone remind me what
that utility is called? (I'm hoping it can do a better job than Acrobat.)

BTW: does anyone know of a similar utility that can pull graphics out of MS
Word documents?

Cheers


Geoffrey Marnell
Principal Consultant
Abelard Consulting Pty Ltd
T: (+61 3) 9596 3456
F: (+61 3) 9596 3625
W: http://www.abelard.com.au  

Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

[Pinkham, Jim]

For the latter task, Geofrrey, I'd recommend you consult "Extracting
Images Embedded in Word Documents" by Lyn Eggleston:
http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/aboutgraphics/ss/extractword.htm. For
the former, one of the accomplishments of Bruce Foster's Archive Plug-In
is the ability to pull graphics from various and sundry places on your
network and bring them all together under one digital roof:
http://home.comcast.net/~bruce.foster/Archive.htm.

Jim

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Marnell
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:02 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

Hi Framers,

A posting some weeks ago mentioned a utility that could extract graphics
copied into FM files and restore them in their original format. I should
have been paying more attention at the time, but can someone remind me
what that utility is called? (I'm hoping it can do a better job than
Acrobat.)

BTW: does anyone know of a similar utility that can pull graphics out of
MS Word documents?

Cheers


Geoffrey Marnell
Principal Consultant
Abelard Consulting Pty Ltd
T: (+61 3) 9596 3456
F: (+61 3) 9596 3625
W: http://www.abelard.com.au <http://www.abelard.com.au/> 




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Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

[Phil Heron]

Hi Geoffrey,

I'm not an expert on graphics but I've had success in the past using the
"Save as HTML" function in both Frame and Word. Taking this option saves
each image as a graphic file.

In Frame, you can choose between GIF, JPEG and PNG as the graphic
format. Specify which one to use on the HTML Options dialog (Utilities >
HTML Setup - Options button).

I'm not sure what format Word uses or whether you have a choice of
formats.

Phil Heron
Technical Writer - CODA
www.coda.com

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Marnell
Sent: 02 May 2008 01:02
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

Hi Framers,

A posting some weeks ago mentioned a utility that could extract graphics
copied into FM files and restore them in their original format. I should
have been paying more attention at the time, but can someone remind me
what that utility is called? (I'm hoping it can do a better job than
Acrobat.)

BTW: does anyone know of a similar utility that can pull graphics out of
MS Word documents?

Cheers


Geoffrey Marnell
Principal Consultant
Abelard Consulting Pty Ltd
T: (+61 3) 9596 3456
F: (+61 3) 9596 3625
W: http://www.abelard.com.au <http://www.abelard.com.au/> 




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Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

[Joel Wilhelm]

I would just use SnagIt from TechSmith and take new pictures from the Word
docs.

Joel

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Phil Heron  wrote:

> Hi Geoffrey,
>
> I'm not an expert on graphics but I've had success in the past using the
> "Save as HTML" function in both Frame and Word. Taking this option saves
> each image as a graphic file.
>
> In Frame, you can choose between GIF, JPEG and PNG as the graphic
> format. Specify which one to use on the HTML Options dialog (Utilities >
> HTML Setup - Options button).
>
> I'm not sure what format Word uses or whether you have a choice of
> formats.
>
> Phil Heron
> Technical Writer - CODA
> www.coda.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Geoffrey
> Marnell
> Sent: 02 May 2008 01:02
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Extracting copied-in graphics from documents
>
> Hi Framers,
>
> A posting some weeks ago mentioned a utility that could extract graphics
> copied into FM files and restore them in their original format. I should
> have been paying more attention at the time, but can someone remind me
> what that utility is called? (I'm hoping it can do a better job than
> Acrobat.)
>
> BTW: does anyone know of a similar utility that can pull graphics out of
> MS Word documents?
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Geoffrey Marnell
> Principal Consultant
> Abelard Consulting Pty Ltd
> T: (+61 3) 9596 3456
> F: (+61 3) 9596 3625
> W: http://www.abelard.com.au <http://www.abelard.com.au/>
>
>
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Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Fri, 2 May 2008 10:02:25 +1000, "Geoffrey Marnell"  
wrote:

>A posting some weeks ago mentioned a utility that could extract graphics
>copied into FM files and restore them in their original format. I should
>have been paying more attention at the time, but can someone remind me what
>that utility is called? (I'm hoping it can do a better job than Acrobat.)

Yes.  Mif2Go can do that for you, and it works fine with the demo
version; you don't have to buy it:
  http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm

The process is described in the User's Guide, par. 29.2.3, "Exporting 
and converting embedded graphics".  It works best if the image is alone
in its anchored frame; then you get the original format at full original
resolution back.  You do *not* get the original name, because Frame does
not store it; yet another reason never to embed graphics.

Worst case, Mif2Go exports the graphic at screen resolution, in the
format you select (usually GIF or JPEG), using Frame's native graphic
export filters.  In that case, callouts, montages, etc., are retained,
but the resolution is generally much worse than the original was.

>BTW: does anyone know of a similar utility that can pull graphics out of MS
>Word documents?

Actually, you can do that with another utility included with Mif2Go,
exwmf.exe.  Save the Word file as RTF, and run the utility from the
command line, as described in par. 29.6.2, "Using the Mif2Go exwmf 
utility".  Word *does* retain the names of the graphics it embeds,
so you will get back WMFs containing Word's internal representation
of each image named "originalname.wmf".

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

[Dennis Brunnenmeyer]

As far as I know, the previous suggestion of simply saving the Word 
file as in HTML format is as simple and as *accurate* as you can get. 
I can't imagine why one would need a third-party utility or a screen 
shot application to do this, but then my imagination is limited to 
personal experiences. Try it.

At 01:05 PM 5/2/2008, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:
> >BTW: does anyone know of a similar utility that can pull graphics out of MS
> >Word documents?

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
Director of Engineering
CEDAR RIDGE SYSTEMS
15019 Rattlesnake Road
Grass Valley, CA 95945-8710
Office: (530) 477-9015
Fax:  (530) 477-9085
Mobile: (530) 320-9025
eMail:  dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com

Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

[Mike Wickham]

> A posting some weeks ago mentioned a utility that could extract graphics
> copied into FM files and restore them in their original format. I should
> have been paying more attention at the time, but can someone remind me 
> what
> that utility is called? (I'm hoping it can do a better job than Acrobat.)

Export Copied Graphics, part of the Systec Toolbox, might be what you're 
looking for:

https://www.systec-gmbh.com/os/product_info.php?info=p264_Export-copied-graphics--TB-8-0-WIN-.html=afec57784912ef717a8b43a91b8993b9

Mike Wickham

Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

[Dennis Brunnenmeyer]

Jeremy...

You may very well be correct, especially with vector-based images. 
The document I was working with only had JPEG images of rather 
complex equipment. When I saved the document as HTML, the original, 
uncropped high-resolution JPEGs were there for the taking.

Since the client did not have the originals, this seemed like manna 
from heaven.

Dennis...

At 05:24 PM 5/2/2008, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:
>On Fri, 02 May 2008 13:45:07 -0700, Dennis Brunnenmeyer
> wrote:
>
> >As far as I know, the previous suggestion of simply saving the Word
> >file as in HTML format is as simple and as *accurate* as you can get.
> >I can't imagine why one would need a third-party utility or a screen
> >shot application to do this, but then my imagination is limited to
> >personal experiences. Try it.
>
>LOL!  For many purposes, the save-as-HTML method may be adequate.
>But it *is* more-or-less lossy, compared to the internal WMF Word
>retains, depending on the original format of the image.
>
>For vector images imported into Word, the loss is major, as the
>vector elements (such as equations, for example) are converted
>to bitmaps (GIF or JPEG) as part of the save-as-HTML process.
>Text becomes fuzzy, thin lines break up, sharp edges lose some
>definition.
>
>For images that were originally bitmaps, the loss comes from the
>resampling Word does when creating the output bitmaps at screen
>resolution.  If the original was also at screen resolution, the
>resampling errors may have only minor consequences (text harder
>to read), but if it was at print resolution, the loss is worse
>(from 300dpi down to 96dpi), resulting in ugly printed images.
>
>All that can be avoided by extracting the internal WMF images
>(which can include both bitmap and vector components) from
>the Word RTF file directly.  That's what exwmf.exe does.  And
>since it is fully functional in the demo version of Mif2Go, at:
>   http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm
>it is *free*, with our blessings.  What's not to like?  ;-)
>
>-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
> http://www.omsys.com/

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
Director of Engineering
CEDAR RIDGE SYSTEMS
15019 Rattlesnake Road
Grass Valley, CA 95945-8710
Office: (530) 477-9015
Fax:  (530) 477-9085
Mobile: (530) 320-9025
eMail:  dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com