RE: Annotating text in a cross-ref in a PDF
Hi Winifried, I'm not sure why this works for you and not for me. I am simply unable to select specific text within a paragraph that is a cross-reference. If you are willing, I'll take this off-line and email you personally to see if we can figure out what the difference might be that is causing this. Carol At 01:54 AM 3/31/2014, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote: Hi Carol, With no commenting tool selected, I can strike through text in the middle of a cross-reference. When I move the cursor over a cross-reference, then the cursor changes to the hand cursor. Then I press the left mouse button and move the i-beam across part of the cross-reference. The text gets selected. This also works inside of cross-reference text. Then I press the Strikethrough symbol to apply this comment type. However, I agree that I cannot press the Strikethrough symbol and then select part of the cross-reference text. You know that you can change your selected text when you press the SHIFT key and the Left/Right arrow keys! Best regards Winfried > -Original Message- > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- > boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 7:26 PM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: framers Digest, Vol 101, Issue 27 > > Thanks for trying, Winfried. Unfortunately, text in the middle of the > cross-reference isn't annotatable. The I-beam cursor starts > red-lining wherever it is placed and the user can't segregate just > the text that they want to annotate from the surrounding text in the > cross-reference. > > I think that either identifying the revision in a balloon or > encircling it with an added explanation is the only option. Since > cross-references exist on a layer above the text, I was hoping there > was a nifty way to "drill down" below the cross-ref layer to get at > the text. Worse case, I could teach my reviewers how to delete all > cross-refs in the document, but that is too complex and also defeats > the purpose of checking to ensure the cross-refs go to where they should. > > I'll add it to my list of feature requests. > > Carol > > At 11:00 AM 3/28/2014, you wrote: > >Hi Carol, > > > >I just did what you describe, and it works without any problems. > >I created a file with some text, created a cross-reference > >to this paragraph which lists only the paragraph text > >(<$paratext>) and created a PDF. > >Then I move the cursor to the right of the cross-reference. > >The cursor's appearance changes to an i-beam. Then I press > >the left mouse button and move the i-beam across the cross- > >reference. Then I press the Strikethrough symbol to apply this > >comment type. > >This also works when I press the Strikethough icon first and then > >start selecting. This works whether I start selecting from the left > >or the right side of the cross-reference. > >Maybe you should move the cursor farther away to get the i-beam > >cursor. > > > >Best regards This e-mail contains privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in respect of any information contained in it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and immediately destroy this e-mail and its attachments. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Annotating text in a cross-ref in a PDF
Hi Carol, With no commenting tool selected, I can strike through text in the middle of a cross-reference. When I move the cursor over a cross-reference, then the cursor changes to the hand cursor. Then I press the left mouse button and move the i-beam across part of the cross-reference. The text gets selected. This also works inside of cross-reference text. Then I press the Strikethrough symbol to apply this comment type. However, I agree that I cannot press the Strikethrough symbol and then select part of the cross-reference text. You know that you can change your selected text when you press the SHIFT key and the Left/Right arrow keys! Best regards Winfried > -Original Message- > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- > boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 7:26 PM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: framers Digest, Vol 101, Issue 27 > > Thanks for trying, Winfried. Unfortunately, text in the middle of the > cross-reference isn't annotatable. The I-beam cursor starts > red-lining wherever it is placed and the user can't segregate just > the text that they want to annotate from the surrounding text in the > cross-reference. > > I think that either identifying the revision in a balloon or > encircling it with an added explanation is the only option. Since > cross-references exist on a layer above the text, I was hoping there > was a nifty way to "drill down" below the cross-ref layer to get at > the text. Worse case, I could teach my reviewers how to delete all > cross-refs in the document, but that is too complex and also defeats > the purpose of checking to ensure the cross-refs go to where they should. > > I'll add it to my list of feature requests. > > Carol > > At 11:00 AM 3/28/2014, you wrote: > >Hi Carol, > > > >I just did what you describe, and it works without any problems. > >I created a file with some text, created a cross-reference > >to this paragraph which lists only the paragraph text > >(<$paratext>) and created a PDF. > >Then I move the cursor to the right of the cross-reference. > >The cursor's appearance changes to an i-beam. Then I press > >the left mouse button and move the i-beam across the cross- > >reference. Then I press the Strikethrough symbol to apply this > >comment type. > >This also works when I press the Strikethough icon first and then > >start selecting. This works whether I start selecting from the left > >or the right side of the cross-reference. > >Maybe you should move the cursor farther away to get the i-beam > >cursor. > > > >Best regards This e-mail contains privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in respect of any information contained in it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and immediately destroy this e-mail and its attachments. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Annotating text in a cross-ref in a PDF
If it is a cross reference, you'd want to edit that at the source text that is creating the cross reference text. I'd suggest adjusting your work flow. If your reviewers want to to edit the xref, they should click on the link and then make the edit at the source that is providing the text. If the text is edited there, the xref will take care of itself. Craig > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 13:29:07 -0600 > To: fram...@omsys.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com > From: celk...@awrittenword.com > Subject: Annotating text in a cross-ref in a PDF > > I'm generating PDFs out of Frame 11 and opening them in Acrobat 11 > Pro in a Windows environment. I've discovered that the text in > cross-references created in Framemaker cannot be annotated in Acrobat > using the Strikethrough Text tool or the Insert Text at Cursor tool, > and probably other tools as well. Because the text is a > cross-reference, the user sees a hand cursor rather than a cross-hair > or I-beam and is thus unable to annotate the text. > > I've tried various combinations of holding the Control, Shift, and > Alt keys down, but the hand cursor persists. Does anyone know a trick > to force Acrobat to ignore the fact that text is a cross-reference > and allow users to annotate the text? > > Carol > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as craig...@hotmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/craigede%40hotmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Annotating text in a cross-ref in a PDF
That sounds like a sound solution. Craig > From: jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: Annotating text in a cross-ref in a PDF > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 20:13:26 + > > I think you're going to have to have them add a comment balloon next to the > xref. > > -Original Message- > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins > Sent: March-27-14 3:49 PM > To: Craig Ede; framers > Subject: RE: Annotating text in a cross-ref in a PDF > > Craig, > > Of course I revise any annotated cross-ref in the source FM document. > But the cross-references must be reviewed and annotated, if > necessary, in Acrobat. I give these PDFs to my clients for review and > THEY must be able to annotate them. > > Carol > > At 01:43 PM 3/27/2014, you wrote: > >If it is a cross reference, you'd want to edit that at the source > >text that is creating the cross reference text. I'd suggest > >adjusting your work flow. If your reviewers want to to edit the > >xref, they should click on the link and then make the edit at the > >source that is providing the text. If the text is edited there, the > >xref will take care of itself. > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com. > > Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jeff.coatsworth%40jonasclub.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as craig...@hotmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/craigede%40hotmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Annotating text in a cross-ref in a PDF
Hi Carol, I just did what you describe, and it works without any problems. I created a file with some text, created a cross-reference to this paragraph which lists only the paragraph text (<$paratext>) and created a PDF. Then I move the cursor to the right of the cross-reference. The cursor's appearance changes to an i-beam. Then I press the left mouse button and move the i-beam across the cross- reference. Then I press the Strikethrough symbol to apply this comment type. This also works when I press the Strikethough icon first and then start selecting. This works whether I start selecting from the left or the right side of the cross-reference. Maybe you should move the cursor farther away to get the i-beam cursor. Best regards Winfried > -Original Message- > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- > boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 8:29 PM > To: fram...@omsys.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Annotating text in a cross-ref in a PDF > > I'm generating PDFs out of Frame 11 and opening them in Acrobat 11 > Pro in a Windows environment. I've discovered that the text in > cross-references created in Framemaker cannot be annotated in Acrobat > using the Strikethrough Text tool or the Insert Text at Cursor tool, > and probably other tools as well. Because the text is a > cross-reference, the user sees a hand cursor rather than a cross-hair > or I-beam and is thus unable to annotate the text. > > I've tried various combinations of holding the Control, Shift, and > Alt keys down, but the hand cursor persists. Does anyone know a trick > to force Acrobat to ignore the fact that text is a cross-reference > and allow users to annotate the text? > > Carol This e-mail contains privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in respect of any information contained in it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and immediately destroy this e-mail and its attachments. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Annotating text in a cross-ref in a PDF
At 13:29 -0600 27/3/14, Carol J. Elkins wrote: >I'm generating PDFs out of Frame 11 and opening them in Acrobat 11 Pro in a >Windows environment. I've discovered that the text in cross-references created >in Framemaker cannot be annotated in Acrobat using the Strikethrough Text tool >or the Insert Text at Cursor tool, and probably other tools as well. Because >the text is a cross-reference, the user sees a hand cursor rather than a >cross-hair or I-beam and is thus unable to annotate the text. > >I've tried various combinations of holding the Control, Shift, and Alt keys >down, but the hand cursor persists. Does anyone know a trick to force Acrobat >to ignore the fact that text is a cross-reference and allow users to annotate >the text? In such circumstances I've resorted to the pen tool, and ringed the offending item. Such annotations can still carry a text field. HTH -- Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet] ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Annotating text in a cross-ref in a PDF
I think you're going to have to have them add a comment balloon next to the xref. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins Sent: March-27-14 3:49 PM To: Craig Ede; framers Subject: RE: Annotating text in a cross-ref in a PDF Craig, Of course I revise any annotated cross-ref in the source FM document. But the cross-references must be reviewed and annotated, if necessary, in Acrobat. I give these PDFs to my clients for review and THEY must be able to annotate them. Carol At 01:43 PM 3/27/2014, you wrote: >If it is a cross reference, you'd want to edit that at the source >text that is creating the cross reference text. I'd suggest >adjusting your work flow. If your reviewers want to to edit the >xref, they should click on the link and then make the edit at the >source that is providing the text. If the text is edited there, the >xref will take care of itself. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jeff.coatsworth%40jonasclub.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Annotating text in a cross-ref in a PDF
Craig, Of course I revise any annotated cross-ref in the source FM document. But the cross-references must be reviewed and annotated, if necessary, in Acrobat. I give these PDFs to my clients for review and THEY must be able to annotate them. Carol At 01:43 PM 3/27/2014, you wrote: If it is a cross reference, you'd want to edit that at the source text that is creating the cross reference text. I'd suggest adjusting your work flow. If your reviewers want to to edit the xref, they should click on the link and then make the edit at the source that is providing the text. If the text is edited there, the xref will take care of itself. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
