RE: mapping table mystery--or is it misery?
Hi, > Actually, copy/paste from Word can cause even more mischief. > I never paste directly from Word into Maker -- I always paste > into a text editor to clean the stuff out, and then copy/paste that > into my document. Why??? I use PureText to paste only the text content: http://stevemiller.net/puretext/ There are also other solutions out there, e.g. an AutoHotkey script: ^+v:: ; Convert any copied files, HTML, or other formatted text to plain text Clipboard = %Clipboard% ; Paste by pressing Ctrl+V SendInput, ^v return There are many variants, discussed e.g. here: http://www.autohotkey.com/board/topic/10412-paste-plain-text-and-copycut/ Best regards Winfried This e-mail contains privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in respect of any information contained in it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and immediately destroy this e-mail and its attachments. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: mapping table mystery--or is it misery?
Thank you, Urszula, I hadn't thought to check there. The other editor who works on these files frequently leaves an empty paragraph tag at end of flow. Since these files are fairly stable and undergo only minor edits each time through, content should not be coming from Word directly; but there's no telling what happens to source/working files before they find their way into the master. :-) Thanks, Karen At 12:00 PM -0500 9/18/13, Urszula Witherell wrote: Does your file have text imported from Word or RTF? Depending on your import options setup, Word styles come in as tags and they may be hiding in empty paragraphs (spaces between paragraphs with FM tags) or as the very last tag where end of the flow mark appears. Do you use HTML Setup Utility? If so this is what updates your HTML Mapping Table and automatically adds the new tags On September 17, 2013 at 1:39 PM Karen Robbins wrote: Hi framers, How can a paragraph tag that doesn't exist get into the book HTML mapping table? After revising an existing book and preparing for HTML output, I was checking the book HTML mapping table when I noticed an entry for a paragraph tag that is completely alien to anything used by our publication now or ever. That tag wasn't in last year's mapping table. I searched the current book for that format, and it was not found. While other obsolete/ghost paragraph tags repeatedly make their way into the mapping table, I'm not so concerned with those as with this one that is new and radically different. Where could it have come from, and how can I stop rogue formats from creeping into my documents through this path? Thanks, Karen ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: mapping table mystery--or is it misery?
Regarding tables: You can do it within FrameMaker with Paste Special to UTF Text and get good results. Tables have to be reconstructed with the convert to table function within FM, but weirdnesses are filtered out. The table is pasted as tabbed text. Anything else, including opening the file directly in FrameMaker seems to add padding to cells in tables. As Chris says, you can't get rid of it. MS doing some mischief no doubt to ensure incompatibility. Craig From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Chris Despopoulos Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 12:51 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: mapping table mystery--or is it misery? >>I think I recall copy and paste from Word doing that. If you reformat >>then the tag will no longer exist in the catalog. Actually, copy/paste from Word can cause even more mischief. I never paste directly from Word into Maker -- I always paste into a text editor to clean the stuff out, and then copy/paste that into my document. Why??? When you paste, Maker does the right thing and converts Word pgf styles into Maker formats. But if you paste into a table, or if you paste a table, then the newly created format might end up in your table catalog. Part of a table format in the table catalog is the default pgf format for a table cell. But there's no way to get rid of that pgf format once it's there (except by editing MIF). As a result, the pgf format might include a font or language you don't have on your system. Then, whenever you open the document, you will get messages about unsupported fonts! Yet you can never search through the document to find them and eradicate them. I suppose this could lead to a crash if you save as PDF and the font is one that gives Acrobat serious problems (maybe, but not tested as far as I know). So the moral of the story is, really try to avoid copy/paste from Word into Maker. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: mapping table mystery--or is it misery?
>>I think I recall copy and paste from Word doing that. If you reformat >>then the tag will no longer exist in the catalog. Actually, copy/paste from Word can cause even more mischief. I never paste directly from Word into Maker -- I always paste into a text editor to clean the stuff out, and then copy/paste that into my document. Why??? When you paste, Maker does the right thing and converts Word pgf styles into Maker formats. But if you paste into a table, or if you paste a table, then the newly created format might end up in your table catalog. Part of a table format in the table catalog is the default pgf format for a table cell. But there's no way to get rid of that pgf format once it's there (except by editing MIF). As a result, the pgf format might include a font or language you don't have on your system. Then, whenever you open the document, you will get messages about unsupported fonts! Yet you can never search through the document to find them and eradicate them. I suppose this could lead to a crash if you save as PDF and the font is one that gives Acrobat serious problems (maybe, but not tested as far as I know). So the moral of the story is, really try to avoid copy/paste from Word into Maker. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: mapping table mystery--or is it misery?
Karen Robbins wrote: > How can a paragraph tag that doesn't exist get into the book HTML mapping > table? > After revising an existing book and preparing for HTML output, I was checking > the book HTML mapping table when I noticed an entry for a paragraph tag that > is completely alien to anything used by our publication now or ever. That tag > wasn't in last year's mapping table. I searched the current book for that > format, and it was not found. > While other obsolete/ghost paragraph tags repeatedly make their way into the > mapping table, I'm not so concerned with those as with this one that is new > and radically different. Where could it have come from, and how can I stop > rogue formats from creeping into my documents through this path? Several list members have offered useful explanations/advice. I just want to point out that there's no use fretting about it in any case. :-) If that paragraph format isn't being used (there are no instances of it in the document), then the mapping table entry for it is never invoked and has no effect. All it does is add a (very) few bytes to the file size. :-) Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: mapping table mystery--or is it misery?
Import the reference pages from your template to get rid of anything you don't want there in a particular document. Craig From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Karen Robbins Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:40 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: mapping table mystery--or is it misery? Hi framers, How can a paragraph tag that doesn't exist get into the book HTML mapping table? After revising an existing book and preparing for HTML output, I was checking the book HTML mapping table when I noticed an entry for a paragraph tag that is completely alien to anything used by our publication now or ever. That tag wasn't in last year's mapping table. I searched the current book for that format, and it was not found. While other obsolete/ghost paragraph tags repeatedly make their way into the mapping table, I'm not so concerned with those as with this one that is new and radically different. Where could it have come from, and how can I stop rogue formats from creeping into my documents through this path? Thanks, Karen ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: mapping table mystery--or is it misery?
Karen, Does your file have text imported from Word or RTF? Depending on your import options setup, Word styles come in as tags and they may be hiding in empty paragraphs (spaces between paragraphs with FM tags) or as the very last tag where end of the flow mark appears. Do you use HTML Setup Utility? If so this is what updates your HTML Mapping Table and automatically adds the new tags This is where I would check first. Urszula -- Urszula Witherell | JetSet Communications, Inc. Adobe Certified Expert in Adobe InDesign, Adobe Acrobat, Adobe FrameMaker Certified Technical Trainer (CompTIA) cell: 301.524.3165 | www.jetsetcom.net | www.trainingonsite.com On September 17, 2013 at 1:39 PM Karen Robbins wrote: > Hi framers, > > How can a paragraph tag that doesn't exist get into the book HTML mapping > table? > > After revising an existing book and preparing for HTML output, I was checking > the book HTML mapping table when I noticed an entry for a paragraph tag that > is completely alien to anything used by our publication now or ever. That tag > wasn't in last year's mapping table. I searched the current book for that > format, and it was not found. > While other obsolete/ghost paragraph tags repeatedly make their way into the > mapping table, I'm not so concerned with those as with this one that is new > and radically different. Where could it have come from, and how can I stop > rogue formats from creeping into my documents through this path? > Thanks, > Karen > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as urszulawither...@jetsetcom.net. > > Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/urszulawitherell%40jetsetcom.net > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Urszula Witherell | JetSet Communications, Inc. Adobe Certified Expert in Adobe InDesign, Adobe Acrobat, Adobe FrameMaker Certified Technical Trainer (CompTIA) cell: 301.524.3165 www.jetsetcom.net | www.trainingonsite.com___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: mapping table mystery--or is it misery?
I think I recall copy and paste from Word doing that. If you reformat then the tag will no longer exist in the catalog. On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Karen Robbins wrote: > Hi framers, > > How can a paragraph tag that doesn't exist get into the book HTML mapping > table? > > After revising an existing book and preparing for HTML output, I was > checking the book HTML mapping table when I noticed an entry for a paragraph > tag that is completely alien to anything used by our publication now or > ever. That tag wasn't in last year's mapping table. I searched the current > book for that format, and it was not found. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
