Re: New figure object [was Re: table and figure captions]
Fred Ridder wrote: I think it would be a great idea if we could treat anchored frames as embedded objects with similar properties to tables. But I do think it would want to be implemented for anchored frames generically rather than just for figures since some documents use anchored frames (or single-cell tables) for things other than illustrations--things like spreadsheet fragments, code listings, and mathematical proofs. Of course, you wouldn't want the full folderol for an anchored frame with Anchor Position: At Insertion Point that contains a bitmap of, say, a button on a GUI. 8^) (Although if you read the article by a former IBM-er that was cited earlier in this thread you'd learn that we shoudl treat *all* non-text objects as a single class rather than distinguishing tables vs. figures vs. equations, etc.) Well, it might make sense for a programmer to do this behind the scenes. But I don't really care how it is implemented, I just want a nice clean interface for inserting figures and some method of creating figure formats in a Figure Designer. It would be extremely annoying to open An All-Purpose Object Designer to configure the type of object you wanted and to create all-purpose object formats. But what I completely fail to see is why handling figures in single-celled tables is such a pain to set up. Yeah, it is so fun to (a) insert a single-celled table previously set up as a format, (b) import a graphic file or create an anchored frame into the single para in the cell, and (c) set the anchored frame to At Insertion Point so you can get the spacing even all around, and then (d) adjust the cell borders (or anchored frame border) to coincide of the figure has a ruled box around it. Wouldn't it be great if you could just select a Figure format when you are in the file browser and the external graphic is imported into a figure all ready to fill in the blanks? I just looked up a textbook on printing technologies (for training press operators, platemakers, etc.) and a doctoral dissertation. The figures in those publications follow this model, pretty common in learned publications: ++ || || || | DIAGRAM HERE | || || || ++ **Figure 2.34:** //Components of framistan// // Title for LOF The framistan is a complex device which // Caption contains 12,000 components in about the volume of a matchbox. KEY: 1Discombobulator// Xref to fig label 2Hierogriffin ... 12,000 Pettifogger Credit: NASA (Saturn rocket) How do you like them bananas in a table pretending to be a figure? I prefer to put the figure title above, and the caption below, and I usually do it with: @a figure title para (Keep With Next) @an anchor para with an anchored frame At Insertion Point (allows you to use para properties to control space above/below, indentation), Keep With Previous @a credit para with Keep With Previous @one or more caption paras, all Keep With Previous, inc. any keys to labels in anchored frame This arrangement keeps the figure object together. I also use the AutoText plug-in from Silicon Prairie to paste in already set up figure formats. But, really, why isn't this stuff built in? [NOTE: Adobe lurkers -- aren't the plethora of plug-ins for common tasks telling you what functionality you should be incorporating?] It would be nice if a table/figure title could appear beside a table/figure, perhaps in the sidebar area of a page frame. Regards, Hedley -- Hedley Finger 28 Regent Street Camberwell VIC 3124 Australia Tel. +61 3 9809 1229 Fax. (call phone first) Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558 Email. Hedley Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: New figure object [was Re: table and figure captions]
Yeah, it is so fun to (a) insert a single-celled table previously set up as a format, (b) import a graphic file or create an anchored frame into the single para in the cell, and (c) set the anchored frame to At Insertion Point so you can get the spacing even all around, and then (d) adjust the cell borders (or anchored frame border) to coincide of the figure has a ruled box around it. Wouldn't it be great if you could just select a Figure format when you are in the file browser and the external graphic is imported into a figure all ready to fill in the blanks? I like that idea. In the meantime, the inexpensive AutoText plugin is even more capable. You can create sample tables for holding your graphics with accompanying text, captions, callouts, etc. Then you can pluck the whole thing from a menu whenever you need it. For example, AutoText can pop in a table that includes a heading and text placeholder in the left column. On the right are graphic and caption placeholders to illustrate the text. All the appropriate paragraph tags-- heading, body, anchor, caption-- are in place. Even the paragraph tag that holds the anchored frame is predefined. Just click and type or click and insert the graphic. (I actually reprogrammed a function key to import graphics.) My table also contains a separate anchored frame, attached to the caption paragraph, that is set to Outside Column, Side Closer to Page Edge, and is rotated 90°. I use this to display the photographer's name next to the photo's edge. A figure style probably wouldn't have that capability. Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
New figure object [was "Re: table and figure captions"]
Deirdre Reagan wrote: > Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not > Figure captions? > You have had your answer elsewhere on this list. But, seriously, why isn't there a figure object that is similar to a one-celled table, which is a pain to set up. The new figure object would have: @an anchor for the entire object, @similar placement options to a table (top of page, bottom of page, etc.) @be able to *float onto another page without dragging its anchor para after it* (fix tables too) @contain an anchored frame, title, multi-para caption, and figure footnotes (like a table) @a Figure Designer dialogue where you could set various options (no title, title placement, borders and fill rulings and colours, etc.) @the ability to output to MIF in a previous format where the figure components would be separated into separate objects (title para, anchored frame, caption para(s), or into a new MIF format where it was just a single object While we are at it, for both figure and table you should be able to specify the placement of the title and caption/footnotes relative to the body: above, below, left side, right side, alternating left and right sides depending on pagination, etc. I have been proposing this to Frame Technologies and Adobe since c. 1798. We live in hope. Please feel free to forward this to your favourite Adobe contact/forum/blog if you think, this is a good idea Regards, Hedley -- Hedley Finger 28 Regent Street Camberwell VIC 3124 Australia Tel. +61 3 9809 1229 Fax. (call phone first) Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558 Email. "Hedley Finger"
New figure object [was "Re: table and figure captions"]
Responding to Deirdre Reagan's original query, Hedley Finger wrote (in small part): > Deirdre Reagan wrote: > > Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not > > Figure captions? > > You have had your answer elsewhere on this list. But, seriously, why > isn't there a figure object that is similar to a one-celled table, which > is a pain to set up. I was thinking about this very idea after I posted my previous message on this thread. I think it would be a great idea if we could treat anchored frames as embedded objects with similar properties to tables. But I do think it would want to be implemented for anchored frames generically rather than just for figures since some documents use anchored frames (or single-cell tables) for things other than illustrations--things like spreadsheet fragments, code listings, and mathematical proofs. (Although if you read the article by a former IBM-er that was cited earlier in this thread you'd learn that we shoudl treat *all* non-text objects as a single class rather than distinguishing tables vs. figures vs. equations, etc.) But what I completely fail to see is why handling figures in single-celled tables is such a "pain to set up". I've designed and used templates that work both ways and I have to say that I don't have a clear preference. Each has advantages and disadvantages. I do know from experience that the single-cell table approach takes significantly more explaining when training new template users, but it's not hard to set up in the template, and only a little harder for writers to use than the paragraph- based approach. -FR _ It?s easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through Windows Live? Messenger. Learn how. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow
New figure object [was "Re: table and figure captions"]
Fred Ridder wrote: > I think it would be a great idea if we could treat anchored > frames as embedded objects with similar properties to tables. But I do > think it would want to be implemented for anchored frames generically > rather than just for figures since some documents use anchored frames > (or single-cell tables) for things other than illustrations--things like > spreadsheet fragments, code listings, and mathematical proofs. Of course, you wouldn't want the full folderol for an anchored frame with Anchor Position: At Insertion Point that contains a bitmap of, say, a button on a GUI. 8^) > (Although > if you read the article by a former IBM-er that was cited earlier in this > thread you'd learn that we shoudl treat *all* non-text objects as a > single > class rather than distinguishing tables vs. figures vs. equations, etc.) Well, it might make sense for a programmer to do this behind the scenes. But I don't really care how it is implemented, I just want a nice clean interface for inserting figures and some method of creating figure formats in a Figure Designer. It would be extremely annoying to open An All-Purpose Object Designer to configure the type of object you wanted and to create all-purpose object formats. > > But what I completely fail to see is why handling figures in > single-celled > tables is such a "pain to set up". Yeah, it is so fun to (a) insert a single-celled table previously set up as a format, (b) import a graphic file or create an anchored frame into the single para in the cell, and (c) set the anchored frame to At Insertion Point so you can get the spacing even all around, and then (d) adjust the cell borders (or anchored frame border) to coincide of the figure has a ruled box around it. Wouldn't it be great if you could just select a Figure format when you are in the file browser and the external graphic is imported into a figure all ready to fill in the blanks? I just looked up a textbook on printing technologies (for training press operators, platemakers, etc.) and a doctoral dissertation. The figures in those publications follow this model, pretty common in learned publications: ++ || || || | DIAGRAM HERE | || || || ++ **Figure 2.34:** //Components of framistan// // Title for LOF The framistan is a complex device which // Caption contains 12,000 components in about the volume of a matchbox. KEY: 1Discombobulator// Xref to fig label 2Hierogriffin ... 12,000 Pettifogger Credit: NASA (Saturn rocket) How do you like them bananas in a table pretending to be a figure? I prefer to put the figure title above, and the caption below, and I usually do it with: @a figure title para (Keep With Next) @an anchor para with an anchored frame At Insertion Point (allows you to use para properties to control space above/below, indentation), Keep With Previous @a credit para with Keep With Previous @one or more caption paras, all Keep With Previous, inc. any keys to labels in anchored frame This arrangement keeps the figure "object" together. I also use the AutoText plug-in from Silicon Prairie to paste in already set up figure "formats". But, really, why isn't this stuff built in? [NOTE: Adobe lurkers -- aren't the plethora of plug-ins for common tasks telling you what functionality you should be incorporating?] It would be nice if a table/figure title could appear beside a table/figure, perhaps in the sidebar area of a page frame. Regards, Hedley -- Hedley Finger 28 Regent Street Camberwell VIC 3124 Australia Tel. +61 3 9809 1229 Fax. (call phone first) Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558 Email. "Hedley Finger"
New figure object [was "Re: table and figure captions"]
> Yeah, it is so fun to (a) insert a single-celled table previously set up > as a format, (b) import a graphic file or create an anchored frame into > the single para in the cell, and (c) set the anchored frame to At > Insertion Point so you can get the spacing even all around, and then (d) > adjust the cell borders (or anchored frame border) to coincide of the > figure has a ruled box around it. > > Wouldn't it be great if you could just select a Figure format when you > are in the file browser and the external graphic is imported into a > figure all ready to fill in the blanks? I like that idea. In the meantime, the inexpensive AutoText plugin is even more capable. You can create sample tables for holding your graphics with accompanying text, captions, callouts, etc. Then you can pluck the whole thing from a menu whenever you need it. For example, AutoText can pop in a table that includes a heading and text placeholder in the left column. On the right are graphic and caption placeholders to illustrate the text. All the appropriate paragraph tags-- heading, body, anchor, caption-- are in place. Even the paragraph tag that holds the anchored frame is predefined. Just click and type or click and insert the graphic. (I actually reprogrammed a function key to import graphics.) My table also contains a separate anchored frame, attached to the caption paragraph, that is set to Outside Column, Side Closer to Page Edge, and is rotated 90?. I use this to display the photographer's name next to the photo's edge. A figure style probably wouldn't have that capability. Mike Wickham
Re: table and figure captions
Hi Deirdre Welcome back from class! I don't know the why (other than anchored Frames don't have that function). And the only way a table automatically creates a caption is if the Add Title option is turned on for a table. So, my workaround? I create a table format specifically to hold graphics. I know, kinda sounds like taking a shower with your shoes on. However, since I've used FrameMaker since 1992, this seems to be the best solution I've found. I use it whether the format calls for captions or not. There is a bit of set up to get it working correctly and, once set up, it isn't too hard to maintain. Others may have a different approach and this one was a great tool when I was converting 6500 pages of text from WordPerfect to Frame AND the client decided midstream to change the alignment of their graphics from left aligned to centered. I was able to change the table format and everything was good...in just a few minutes. Here is what I do: Set up part 1: Create a paragraph tag to hold the anchored graphic I use separate tags for many things, including anchored tables and anchored graphics because it provides more control when converting to other formats, such as help. In Frame 7.x, the smallest font size is 2 points, so I use that to take up as little extra space as possible. Turning off the Fixed option means the row height will expand and shrink as needed to fit the graphic you insert. The reason for the in column in the tag name is because some graphics span the width of the sidehead area and some don't. I actually have another paragraph tag for those that span both areas. 1. Create a specific paragraph tag to hold the anchored graphics (mine is called AIC Anchored Images In Column) 2. Set the font size to 2 points 3. Set the line spacing to 2 points 4. Turn off the Fixed option 5. Save the tag with all the changes Set up part 2: Create a paragraph tag to hold the anchored table 1. Create a specific paragraph tag to hold the anchored tables (mine is called ATC Anchored Tables In Column) 2. Set the font size to 2 points 3. Set the line spacing to 2 points 4. Turn off the Fixed option 5. Save the tag with all the changes Set up part 3: Create a paragraph tag for your Table Caption 1. Create a paragraph tag to format your Table Caption (mine is called FC Figure Caption) 2. Save all changes Set up part 4: Create a table format to hold your graphics Officially, Frame 7 (I don't know about 8), doesn't store the column widths or paragraph tags in the Table Designer. However, it does remember 1. Insert a blank table with 1 row and 1 column 2. Apply the anchored graphics tag to the row (note: it will become darned near unreadable since it is a 2 point font...if you have problems seeing it, you can temporarily change the font size, then change it back) 3. Set the Title Position for your caption 4. Apply the figure caption tag for your figure caption 5. Highlight the entire table 6. Open the Table Designer 7. Name the table format (mine is either Images In Column or Images Full Width, depending on what I'm using it for) 8. Save the table format Use what you created Now that the component formats are created, here is what you do when you're ready to insert a figure/graphic. I always use a blank paragraph tag to anchor tables and graphics, so that is how these instructions are written. Tip; If you immediately import the file, you won't have to try to position your cursor in that tiny little space left by the 2 point paragraph tag. 1. Position your cursor where the figure is to be inserted 2. Add a blank paragraph 3. Apply the anchored table tag (ATC Anchored Tables In Column in my example) 4. Select Table Insert table 5. Select the table format you created to hold figures (Column or Images Full Width in my example) 6. Click Insert 7. Select File Import File 8. Import your graphic 9. Adjust dpi and other settings, if appropriate 10. Resize the graphic, if needed 11. Press esc m P to shrinkwrap the anchored frame around the graphic 12. Add the figure title to the title row This is my processs...and hopefully it will help you a bit... Hugs Jerilynne On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all! ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: table and figure captions
Hello Deirdre The presence of a table caption is determined by the table format as shown in the Table Designer. You can set it to No title if you wish. Figure captions are just paragraphs that you may or may not want to insert. If you are using structured FrameMaker, you can have a figure caption inserted automatically every time you insert a figure. Hope this helps. Roger Roger Shuttleworth Technical Publications TVWorks Canada, Inc. 150 Dufferin Avenue London, Ontario N6A 5N6 Canada Tel. 519 963-4368 www.tvworks.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan Sent: June 11, 2008 10:04 AM To: Frame Users Subject: table and figure captions Hi all! Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not Figure captions? Thanks! Deirdre ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/roger_shuttleworth%40tvworks.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: table and figure captions
Deirdre Reagan asked: Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not Figure captions? Tables are well-defined encapsulated objects, and one of the properties that is defined is an optional Title object. If you define a table format to include a Title object, every table that you assign that format to will have a title frame to contain your title string. But you can also define a table format that does not have a Title. Figures, on the other hand, are not uniquely defined objects. There are at least three different methods that are commonly used to insert a figure (an anchored frame in the text flow, an unanchored frame in a fixed location on a page, or in an anchored frame in a table cell), so there is no single place where a caption property could be defined to apply in all cases. But a potentially workable solution is to always encapsulate figures in a single-cell table, since tables *do* have a defined Title object. This does limit flexibility somewhat regarding horizontal positioning (tables have their own logic of how and when to span columns and sidehead areas), but also has a few small additional benefits, like making it very easy to globally or individually add/remove border rulings around figures, and providing facilities for encapsulating notes with the figure. -FR _ It’s easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through Windows Live™ Messenger. Learn how. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: table and figure captions
One problem to be aware of when using single-cell tables with titles for graphics: If you specify paragraphs in the table-title area for generated TOCs, they will not be in the expected order because FM collects them from the page after it collects standard paragraphs. HTH Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: table and figure captions
For figures, you can have a paragraph (style such as Figure style) with the next paragraph style defined as a Figure Caption style. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Shuttleworth, Roger wrote: Hello Deirdre The presence of a table caption is determined by the table format as shown in the Table Designer. You can set it to No title if you wish. Figure captions are just paragraphs that you may or may not want to insert. If you are using structured FrameMaker, you can have a figure caption inserted automatically every time you insert a figure. Hope this helps. Roger Roger Shuttleworth Technical Publications TVWorks Canada, Inc. 150 Dufferin Avenue London, Ontario N6A 5N6 Canada Tel. 519 963-4368 www.tvworks.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan Sent: June 11, 2008 10:04 AM To: Frame Users Subject: table and figure captions Hi all! Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not Figure captions? Thanks! Deirdre ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/roger_shuttleworth%40tvworks.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sbw%40actcom.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: table and figure captions
The issue I see is does the resulting structure still validate? If you have control over the DTD/Schema, you can resolve that problem by modifying the structural definition; if not you will have to do some very fancy translation on export (or import), or leave figures as non-table objects. On the whole, I very much like having figures in tables because of the noted capabilities - automatic captioning, ability to trivially create a ruling box, and placement flexibility except for in-line with other text. On Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:32, Milan Davidovic wrote: | On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Jerilynne Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] | wrote: | | I create a table format specifically to hold graphics. | | Is this in structured or unstructured Frame? If the latter, can anyone | see a problem with doing it in the former? | | -- | Milan Davidovic | http://altmilan.blogspot.com - Lester --- Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: table and figure captions
I place my captions/titles above the image or table so that when the users click a link (to the caption) in the online help or PDFs, the image or table is still on the screen or page. If you link to captions that are below images, users have to scroll up to see the image. It's a minor hassle, but one that is easily avoided. -Lief -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:54 AM To: Shuttleworth, Roger Cc: Frame Users Subject: Re: table and figure captions For figures, you can have a paragraph (style such as Figure style) with the next paragraph style defined as a Figure Caption style. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Shuttleworth, Roger wrote: Hello Deirdre The presence of a table caption is determined by the table format as shown in the Table Designer. You can set it to No title if you wish. Figure captions are just paragraphs that you may or may not want to insert. If you are using structured FrameMaker, you can have a figure caption inserted automatically every time you insert a figure. Hope this helps. Roger Roger Shuttleworth Technical Publications TVWorks Canada, Inc. 150 Dufferin Avenue London, Ontario N6A 5N6 Canada Tel. 519 963-4368 www.tvworks.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan Sent: June 11, 2008 10:04 AM To: Frame Users Subject: table and figure captions Hi all! Does anyone know why FM automatically makes Table captions but not Figure captions? Thanks! Deirdre ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/roger_shuttleworth%4 0tvworks.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sbw%40actcom.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lief%40netinst.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This email has been scanned. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: table and figure captions
-Original Message- I place my captions/titles above the image or table so that when the users click a link (to the caption) in the online help or PDFs, the image or table is still on the screen or page. If you link to captions that are below images, users have to scroll up to see the image. It's a minor hassle, but one that is easily avoided. Yes! I often do the same for this reason too. Some of my older documents are the other way (on the bottom), so when I get a chance and time to do the changes, I update them this way. Z ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: table and figure captions
I'd amend this caution with the items in the TOC MAY not be in the expected order: if there are multiple items being extracted from the same page, FM will grab everything applicable from the standard flow first then anything in the tables next. On Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:46, Peter Gold wrote: | One problem to be aware of when using single-cell tables with titles | for graphics: If you specify paragraphs in the table-title area for | generated TOCs, they will not be in the expected order because FM | collects them from the page after it collects standard paragraphs. | | HTH | | Regards, | | Peter | __ | Peter Gold | KnowHow ProServices - Lester --- Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
