Re: PDF Content reuse with Frame + DITA?
Thanks Scott, Jeremy, and Linda, Based on your advise, I've played around with conditional text a little and my doubts are cleared. One last question: What is the best resource for Frame + DITA? Regards, Gyanesh On 5/21/07, Linda G. Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've admittedly missed the beginning of this thread, but I would like to comment on this: The Index Tools Pro plug-in claims to provide for conditional index entries .. I'm not sure what that means exactly, but it may perhaps make the process of conditionalizing individual markers easier. I've used this plug-in with conditions, and it does work to essentially apply a condition to index markers. You can also use variables in index entries with Index Tools Pro. I'm just a satisfied user. ~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 3:20 PM To: Jeremy H. Griffith Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: PDF Content reuse with Frame + DITA? Thanks Jeremy .. good point! Now that I read what I wrote, I can see how it could be misunderstood. I meant that even if you do duplicate and conditionalize markers just to change one word in that marker, it will become a mess to manage. :) The Index Tools Pro plugin claims to provide for conditional index entries .. I'm not sure what that means exactly, but it may perhaps make the process of conditionalizing individual markers easier. Our plugin, MarkerTools, lets you insert a custom building block into markers which maps to variables that are defined in your document .. in essence allowing you to have variables within markers (not possible without the plugin). This can give you a type of conditional control within a marker (especially when used in conjunction with BookVars). ..scott Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: On Sun, 20 May 2007 13:30:45 -0700, Scott Prentice wrote: It's a good practice to avoid conditional content within index entries .. it's one thing to include/exclude a marker in a specific output, but if you start messing with words within a marker, you'll go nuts. It's not only good practice, it's the law. ;-) Frame *implements* conditional text using markers. So it's flat-out impossible to conditionalize *within* a marker. As Scott says, the closest you can get to that is: you'd need to create duplicate markers with different text, and conditionalize each marker accordingly. However this is difficult to maintain ... -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lindag%40techcomplus.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gyanesh.talwar%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Gyanesh Talwar |~~^~~^~~~^~~^~~| Bunbu Itchi |~~^~~^~~~^~~^~~| ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: PDF Content reuse with Frame + DITA?
Hi Gyanesh... The best resource would be the framemaker-dita Yahoo group. Also there's the DITA App Pack and the associated forum .. http://www.adobe.com/go/dita/. ...scott Gyanesh Talwar wrote: Thanks Scott, Jeremy, and Linda, Based on your advise, I've played around with conditional text a little and my doubts are cleared. One last question: What is the best resource for Frame + DITA? Regards, Gyanesh On 5/21/07, Linda G. Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've admittedly missed the beginning of this thread, but I would like to comment on this: The Index Tools Pro plug-in claims to provide for conditional index entries .. I'm not sure what that means exactly, but it may perhaps make the process of conditionalizing individual markers easier. I've used this plug-in with conditions, and it does work to essentially apply a condition to index markers. You can also use variables in index entries with Index Tools Pro. I'm just a satisfied user. ~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 3:20 PM To: Jeremy H. Griffith Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: PDF Content reuse with Frame + DITA? Thanks Jeremy .. good point! Now that I read what I wrote, I can see how it could be misunderstood. I meant that even if you do duplicate and conditionalize markers just to change one word in that marker, it will become a mess to manage. :) The Index Tools Pro plugin claims to provide for conditional index entries .. I'm not sure what that means exactly, but it may perhaps make the process of conditionalizing individual markers easier. Our plugin, MarkerTools, lets you insert a custom building block into markers which maps to variables that are defined in your document .. in essence allowing you to have variables within markers (not possible without the plugin). This can give you a type of conditional control within a marker (especially when used in conjunction with BookVars). ..scott Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: On Sun, 20 May 2007 13:30:45 -0700, Scott Prentice wrote: It's a good practice to avoid conditional content within index entries .. it's one thing to include/exclude a marker in a specific output, but if you start messing with words within a marker, you'll go nuts. It's not only good practice, it's the law. ;-) Frame *implements* conditional text using markers. So it's flat-out impossible to conditionalize *within* a marker. As Scott says, the closest you can get to that is: you'd need to create duplicate markers with different text, and conditionalize each marker accordingly. However this is difficult to maintain ... -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: PDF Content reuse with Frame + DITA?
I've admittedly missed the beginning of this thread, but I would like to comment on this: The Index Tools Pro plug-in claims to provide for conditional index entries .. I'm not sure what that means exactly, but it may perhaps make the process of conditionalizing individual markers easier. I've used this plug-in with conditions, and it does work to essentially apply a condition to index markers. You can also use variables in index entries with Index Tools Pro. I'm just a satisfied user. ~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 3:20 PM To: Jeremy H. Griffith Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: PDF Content reuse with Frame + DITA? Thanks Jeremy .. good point! Now that I read what I wrote, I can see how it could be misunderstood. I meant that even if you do duplicate and conditionalize markers just to change one word in that marker, it will become a mess to manage. :) The Index Tools Pro plugin claims to provide for conditional index entries .. I'm not sure what that means exactly, but it may perhaps make the process of conditionalizing individual markers easier. Our plugin, MarkerTools, lets you insert a custom building block into markers which maps to variables that are defined in your document .. in essence allowing you to have variables within markers (not possible without the plugin). This can give you a type of conditional control within a marker (especially when used in conjunction with BookVars). ..scott Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: On Sun, 20 May 2007 13:30:45 -0700, Scott Prentice wrote: It's a good practice to avoid conditional content within index entries .. it's one thing to include/exclude a marker in a specific output, but if you start messing with words within a marker, you'll go nuts. It's not only good practice, it's the law. ;-) Frame *implements* conditional text using markers. So it's flat-out impossible to conditionalize *within* a marker. As Scott says, the closest you can get to that is: you'd need to create duplicate markers with different text, and conditionalize each marker accordingly. However this is difficult to maintain ... -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lindag%40techcomplus.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: PDF Content reuse with Frame + DITA?
Hi Gyanesh... Each time you regenerate your book, the conditional settings in effect, will define the content shown in the generated lists (Index and TOC specifically). The index is generated from index markers, and they will be used (or not) depending on their conditional tagging. This isn't too bad if the index markers are within a paragraph that is tagged with a condition, but if you just want to conditionalize words within a marker, that's a bit tougher .. in general you'd need to create duplicate markers with different text, and conditionalize each marker accordingly. However this is difficult to maintain since it's very hard to just tag a single marker with a specific condition. There are a couple of plugins that help with conditionalized or variable content in a marker (MarkerTools and Index Tools Pro .. links below). It's a good practice to avoid conditional content within index entries .. it's one thing to include/exclude a marker in a specific output, but if you start messing with words within a marker, you'll go nuts. MarkerTools - http://www.leximation.com/tools/info/markertools.php Index Tools Pro - http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html The TOC is generated from the paragraph styles (headings) that you specify, and it will only pull in the content that is in a show state. As with markers, it's good to avoid conditionalizing specific words in headings .. it can be done but you have to be careful to conditionalize the spaces properly so you don't end up with too few or too many. Variables will show/hide along with the surrounding content that is tagged in a certain way. If you want to change the definition of a variable for different output types, you can change the values in a template and import that into all files into the book .. or use our BookVars plugin to swap the definitions as needed. BookVars - http://www.leximation.com/tools/info/bookvars.php If you're using DITA, depending on the method you're using to create the PDFs (through Frame or through the DITA-OT), you can still use conditional tagging, or you can use the filtering attributes on each element. With DITA, you'd typically set the filtering attributes on elements to determine the product, audience, etc. and when you generate your output, you'd filter out the elements that don't apply to that version (similar to using conditional tags). There's a great plugin (ABCM) for Frame that lets you apply conditions (and thus hide/show content) based on attribute values. This is a must if you're producing output through Frame and want to use attribute values to do the filtering (it's free too!). (If you're generating your output through the XSLT transformations in the DITA-OT, you'd do this filtering using a ditavals file.) ABCM - http://www.weststreetconsulting.com/WSC_ABCM.htm Good luck! ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Gyanesh Talwar wrote: Thanks Scott! I think i will settle for show/hide. And if I do, is there a way to handle index/toc/variables (such as name of the book) automatically? Or do I do that manually? And let's say I have to implement DITA. Can I still publish two different PDFs selectively? And how will I carry out the selection of text in Structured Frame? Thanks again! Gyanesh On 5/18/07, Scott Prentice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Gyanesh... If your main goal is to publish two different sets of content from the same FM source files, I'd think that your best bet is to just use conditional text (show/hide) in unstructured FM files. There are probably benefits you could gain by moving to structure and/or DITA (and it can certainly be done with structure/DITA), but for what you're talking about, conditional text is really all you need. Just create two conditional tags and apply those tags to the content that is only for one product or the other (just don't overlap conditions) .. anything that is common to both would be left untagged. Use the conditional text show/hide settings to show one and hide the other, then generate your PDF. Cheers! ...scott Gyanesh Talwar wrote: Hello Framers, (Frame 7.2b144) For my product, I have 2 guides with similar content across different chapters. Can I publish two different PDFs from the same source (with selective content obviously). - How will this be done? Using topic IDs? - Is Show/hide a better option for this than Structured Frame? - Is it viable to use DITA for this? Some other EDD ...or custome made? TIA, Gyanesh ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: PDF Content reuse with Frame + DITA?
On Sun, 20 May 2007 13:30:45 -0700, Scott Prentice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a good practice to avoid conditional content within index entries .. it's one thing to include/exclude a marker in a specific output, but if you start messing with words within a marker, you'll go nuts. It's not only good practice, it's the law. ;-) Frame *implements* conditional text using markers. So it's flat-out impossible to conditionalize *within* a marker. As Scott says, the closest you can get to that is: you'd need to create duplicate markers with different text, and conditionalize each marker accordingly. However this is difficult to maintain ... -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: PDF Content reuse with Frame + DITA?
Thanks Jeremy .. good point! Now that I read what I wrote, I can see how it could be misunderstood. I meant that even if you do duplicate and conditionalize markers just to change one word in that marker, it will become a mess to manage. :) The Index Tools Pro plugin claims to provide for conditional index entries .. I'm not sure what that means exactly, but it may perhaps make the process of conditionalizing individual markers easier. Our plugin, MarkerTools, lets you insert a custom building block into markers which maps to variables that are defined in your document .. in essence allowing you to have variables within markers (not possible without the plugin). This can give you a type of conditional control within a marker (especially when used in conjunction with BookVars). ...scott Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: On Sun, 20 May 2007 13:30:45 -0700, Scott Prentice wrote: It's a good practice to avoid conditional content within index entries .. it's one thing to include/exclude a marker in a specific output, but if you start messing with words within a marker, you'll go nuts. It's not only good practice, it's the law. ;-) Frame *implements* conditional text using markers. So it's flat-out impossible to conditionalize *within* a marker. As Scott says, the closest you can get to that is: you'd need to create duplicate markers with different text, and conditionalize each marker accordingly. However this is difficult to maintain ... -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: PDF Content reuse with Frame + DITA?
Thanks Scott! I think i will settle for show/hide. And if I do, is there a way to handle index/toc/variables (such as name of the book) automatically? Or do I do that manually? And let's say I have to implement DITA. Can I still publish two different PDFs selectively? And how will I carry out the selection of text in Structured Frame? Thanks again! Gyanesh On 5/18/07, Scott Prentice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Gyanesh... If your main goal is to publish two different sets of content from the same FM source files, I'd think that your best bet is to just use conditional text (show/hide) in unstructured FM files. There are probably benefits you could gain by moving to structure and/or DITA (and it can certainly be done with structure/DITA), but for what you're talking about, conditional text is really all you need. Just create two conditional tags and apply those tags to the content that is only for one product or the other (just don't overlap conditions) .. anything that is common to both would be left untagged. Use the conditional text show/hide settings to show one and hide the other, then generate your PDF. Cheers! ...scott Gyanesh Talwar wrote: Hello Framers, (Frame 7.2b144) For my product, I have 2 guides with similar content across different chapters. Can I publish two different PDFs from the same source (with selective content obviously). - How will this be done? Using topic IDs? - Is Show/hide a better option for this than Structured Frame? - Is it viable to use DITA for this? Some other EDD ...or custome made? TIA, Gyanesh -- Gyanesh Talwar |~~^~~^~~~^~~^~~| Bunbu Itchi |~~^~~^~~~^~~^~~| ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: PDF Content reuse with Frame + DITA?
Hi Gyanesh... If your main goal is to publish two different sets of content from the same FM source files, I'd think that your best bet is to just use conditional text (show/hide) in unstructured FM files. There are probably benefits you could gain by moving to structure and/or DITA (and it can certainly be done with structure/DITA), but for what you're talking about, conditional text is really all you need. Just create two conditional tags and apply those tags to the content that is only for one product or the other (just don't overlap conditions) .. anything that is common to both would be left untagged. Use the conditional text show/hide settings to show one and hide the other, then generate your PDF. Cheers! ...scott Gyanesh Talwar wrote: Hello Framers, (Frame 7.2b144) For my product, I have 2 guides with similar content across different chapters. Can I publish two different PDFs from the same source (with selective content obviously). - How will this be done? Using topic IDs? - Is Show/hide a better option for this than Structured Frame? - Is it viable to use DITA for this? Some other EDD ...or custome made? TIA, Gyanesh ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
