Re: Why does Frame cycle 2x ?
I believe the default behavior, when searching a book, is to restart from the front of the current chapter when a search is interrupted. I assume it's part of the program's Find algorithm, but it's never bothered me enough to find out. * If you use ixGen to open all the markers in the regular text stream, you can do a simple search-and-replace for text without going down the detour into the Markers dialog box. Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Nancy Allison ma...@verizon.net wrote: Hi, everyone. I thought some more detail would be helpful. Here's what's currently happening: --I am searching for Markers of Type: Index. --I've selected Book selected as the thing I want to search (in the Find/Change dialog box). --I've opened all the chapters of the book (they're minimized at the bottom of the Frame workspace), and I began my search from the Book window, if that makes any difference. --Since the first marker is in Chapter 1, that chapter opens to full size when the search finds the first marker. --I have the Markers window open so I can see the text of each marker. --As I cycle through the document looking at the markers, I sometimes edit existing markers, or I put the cursor in the text and insert new markers. Then I go back to searching from that point. --When Find/Change has located the last marker in the chapter, and I click Find again, the search returns to page 1 of the same file instead of moving to the next file in the book. (And there ARE markers in all chapters, so it should open Chapter 2 instead of cycling again through Chapter 1). This is happening with a search for markers, but I have observed this behavior repeatedly in all kinds of searches. I see the same results coming up, in the same order, a second time; once the search has finished the second cycle, it goes on to the next file in the book. Surely other people experience this; it's seemed to be a Frame constant for years. If it's just me, what the heck am I doing to make this happen? On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Lief Erickson wrote: My experience is that if you leave the Find dialog box to edit something, FrameMaker knows this and starts its search over from the last location of the cursor in the flow until it has circled through the file back to the cursor spot. If you don't jump from the Find dialog into the document, FrameMaker only goes through the file once. I know of no way to have it stop once it reaches the end of the file without circling back through if I've made a change in the document that wasn't using the Find dialog. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Why does Frame cycle 2x ?
Here's my stab at it: FrameMaker probably looks at the modified time stamp when it hits the EOF character. Then, if it detects that the modified time stamp and the saved time stamp are different from each other, it makes another pass at the file. To test this, I performed a Find without changing anything in the file. The Find sequenced through the files from my starting point, searching each file only once. Next, I repeated the Find with a Replace. I Replaced only one of the instances of the Find returning a hit, and I did this without leaving the Find dialog window. I merely used the Replace button. To conclude, the resulting action of modifying a file is the same regardless if you exist the Find dialog and make the change via the keyboard or with a mouse gesture, or if you make the change in the Find dialog...regards, Kelly. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 7:29 AM To: Lief Erickson Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Why does Frame cycle 2x ? Hi, everyone. I thought some more detail would be helpful. Here's what's currently happening: --I am searching for Markers of Type: Index. --I've selected Book selected as the thing I want to search (in the Find/Change dialog box). --I've opened all the chapters of the book (they're minimized at the bottom of the Frame workspace), and I began my search from the Book window, if that makes any difference. --Since the first marker is in Chapter 1, that chapter opens to full size when the search finds the first marker. --I have the Markers window open so I can see the text of each marker. --As I cycle through the document looking at the markers, I sometimes edit existing markers, or I put the cursor in the text and insert new markers. Then I go back to searching from that point. --When Find/Change has located the last marker in the chapter, and I click Find again, the search returns to page 1 of the same file instead of moving to the next file in the book. (And there ARE markers in all chapters, so it should open Chapter 2 instead of cycling again through Chapter 1). This is happening with a search for markers, but I have observed this behavior repeatedly in all kinds of searches. I see the same results coming up, in the same order, a second time; once the search has finished the second cycle, it goes on to the next file in the book. Surely other people experience this; it's seemed to be a Frame constant for years. If it's just me, what the heck am I doing to make this happen? On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Lief Erickson wrote: My experience is that if you leave the Find dialog box to edit something, FrameMaker knows this and starts its search over from the last location of the cursor in the flow until it has circled through the file back to the cursor spot. If you don't jump from the Find dialog into the document, FrameMaker only goes through the file once. I know of no way to have it stop once it reaches the end of the file without circling back through if I've made a change in the document that wasn't using the Find dialog. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as kmcdan...@pavtech.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/kmcdaniel%40pavtech. com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Why does Frame cycle 2x ?
Nancy Allison wrote: Hi, everyone. I thought some more detail would be helpful. Here's what's currently happening: --As I cycle through the document looking at the markers, I sometimes edit existing markers, or I put the cursor in the text and insert new markers. Then I go back to searching from that point. The Help file confirms Lief's theory: == Searching through a document If you are searching in a document, FrameMaker begins searching at the insertion point and continues through the document... When FrameMaker reaches the end of the document, it continues the search at the beginning. == By leaving the Find/Change dialog box and putting the cursor in the text, you are creating a new insertion point. When you go back to searching, you are in fact beginning a *new* search, and FM behaves as described in the Help. The way to get it to stop is to buy IXGen and edit your index markers with that fabulous tool. ;-) (No commercial interest, just a satisfied customer.) -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Why does Frame cycle 2x ?
Hi, everyone. I thought some more detail would be helpful. Here's what's currently happening: --I am searching for Markers of Type: Index. --I've selected "Book" selected as the thing I want to search (in the Find/Change dialog box). --I've opened all the chapters of the book (they're minimized at the bottom of the Frame workspace), and I began my search from the Book window, if that makes any difference. --Since the first marker is in Chapter 1, that chapter opens to full size when the search finds the first marker. --I have the Markers window open so I can see the text of each marker. --As I cycle through the document looking at the markers, I sometimes edit existing markers, or I put the cursor in the text and insert new markers. Then I go back to searching from that point. --When Find/Change has located the last marker in the chapter, and I click Find again, the search returns to page 1 of the same file instead of moving to the next file in the book. (And there ARE markers in all chapters, so it should open Chapter 2 instead of cycling again through Chapter 1). This is happening with a search for markers, but I have observed this behavior repeatedly in all kinds of searches. I see the same results coming up, in the same order, a second time; once the search has finished the second cycle, it goes on to the next file in the book. Surely other people experience this; it's seemed to be a Frame constant for years. If it's just me, what the heck am I doing to make this happen? On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Lief Erickson wrote: > My experience is that if you leave the Find dialog box to edit something, FrameMaker knows this and starts its search over from the last location of the cursor in the flow until it has circled through the file back to the cursor spot. If you don't jump from the Find dialog into the document, FrameMaker only goes through the file once. I know of no way to have it stop once it reaches the end of the file without circling back through if I've made a change in the document that wasn't using the Find dialog.
Why does Frame cycle 2x ?
I believe the default behavior, when searching a book, is to restart from the front of the current chapter when a search is interrupted. I assume it's part of the program's Find algorithm, but it's never bothered me enough to find out. * If you use ixGen to open all the markers in the regular text stream, you can do a simple search-and-replace for text without going down the detour into the Markers dialog box. Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Nancy Allison wrote: > > Hi, everyone. I thought some more detail would be helpful. Here's what's > currently happening: > > --I am searching for Markers of Type: Index. > > --I've selected "Book" selected as the thing I want to search (in the > Find/Change dialog box). > > --I've opened all the chapters of the book (they're minimized at the > bottom of the Frame workspace), and I began my search from the Book > window, if that makes any difference. > > --Since the first marker is in Chapter 1, that chapter opens to full > size when the search finds the first marker. > > --I have the Markers window open so I can see the text of each marker. > > --As I cycle through the document looking at the markers, I sometimes > edit existing markers, or I put the cursor in the text and insert new > markers. Then I go back to searching from that point. > > --When Find/Change has located the last marker in the chapter, and I > click Find again, the search returns to page 1 of the same file instead > of moving to the next file in the book. (And there ARE markers in all > chapters, so it should open Chapter 2 instead of cycling again through > Chapter 1). > > This is happening with a search for markers, but I have observed this > behavior repeatedly in all kinds of searches. I see the same results > coming up, in the same order, a second time; once the search has > finished the second cycle, it goes on to the next file in the book. > > Surely other people experience this; it's seemed to be a Frame constant > for years. If it's just me, what the heck am I doing to make this > happen? > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Lief Erickson wrote: > > > My experience is that if you leave the Find dialog box to edit > something, FrameMaker knows this and starts its search over from the > last location of the cursor in the flow until it has circled through the > file back to the cursor spot. If you don't jump from the Find dialog > into the document, FrameMaker only goes through the file once. I know of > no way to have it stop once it reaches the end of the file without > circling back through if I've made a change in the document that wasn't > using the Find dialog. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Why does Frame cycle 2x ?
Here's my stab at it: FrameMaker probably looks at the "modified" time stamp when it hits the EOF character. Then, if it detects that the modified time stamp and the "saved" time stamp are different from each other, it makes another pass at the file. To test this, I performed a Find without changing anything in the file. The Find sequenced through the files from my starting point, searching each file only once. Next, I repeated the Find with a Replace. I Replaced only one of the instances of the Find returning a hit, and I did this without leaving the Find dialog window. I merely used the Replace button. To conclude, the resulting action of modifying a file is the same regardless if you exist the Find dialog and make the change via the keyboard or with a mouse gesture, or if you make the change in the Find dialog...regards, Kelly. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 7:29 AM To: Lief Erickson Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Why does Frame cycle 2x ? Hi, everyone. I thought some more detail would be helpful. Here's what's currently happening: --I am searching for Markers of Type: Index. --I've selected "Book" selected as the thing I want to search (in the Find/Change dialog box). --I've opened all the chapters of the book (they're minimized at the bottom of the Frame workspace), and I began my search from the Book window, if that makes any difference. --Since the first marker is in Chapter 1, that chapter opens to full size when the search finds the first marker. --I have the Markers window open so I can see the text of each marker. --As I cycle through the document looking at the markers, I sometimes edit existing markers, or I put the cursor in the text and insert new markers. Then I go back to searching from that point. --When Find/Change has located the last marker in the chapter, and I click Find again, the search returns to page 1 of the same file instead of moving to the next file in the book. (And there ARE markers in all chapters, so it should open Chapter 2 instead of cycling again through Chapter 1). This is happening with a search for markers, but I have observed this behavior repeatedly in all kinds of searches. I see the same results coming up, in the same order, a second time; once the search has finished the second cycle, it goes on to the next file in the book. Surely other people experience this; it's seemed to be a Frame constant for years. If it's just me, what the heck am I doing to make this happen? On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Lief Erickson wrote: > My experience is that if you leave the Find dialog box to edit something, FrameMaker knows this and starts its search over from the last location of the cursor in the flow until it has circled through the file back to the cursor spot. If you don't jump from the Find dialog into the document, FrameMaker only goes through the file once. I know of no way to have it stop once it reaches the end of the file without circling back through if I've made a change in the document that wasn't using the Find dialog. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as kmcdaniel at pavtech.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/kmcdaniel%40pavtech. com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Why does Frame cycle 2x ?
Ah, this seems to be the answer. So, there's really not much I can do about it; Frame's gonna do what Frame's gonna do. (IXgen may solve the problem for markers, but not for any other kind of search.) Well . . . . that's annoying. Happy Friday! Thanks, everyone. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Kelly McDaniel wrote: > Here's my stab at it: FrameMaker probably looks at the "modified" time stamp when it hits the EOF character. Then, if it detects that the modified time stamp and the "saved" time stamp are different from each other, it makes another pass at the file. To test this, I performed a Find without changing anything in the file. The Find sequenced through the files from my starting point, searching each file only once. Next, I repeated the Find with a Replace. I Replaced only one of the instances of the Find returning a hit, and I did this without leaving the Find dialog window. I merely used the Replace button. To conclude, the resulting action of modifying a file is the same regardless if you exist the Find dialog and make the change via the keyboard or with a mouse gesture, or if you make the change in the Find dialog...regards, Kelly. -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com <mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com> ? <mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] <mailto:[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]> ? <mailto:[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]> ?On Behalf Of Nancy Allison Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 7:29 AM To: Lief Erickson Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com <mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> ? <mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> Subject: RE: Why does Frame cycle 2x ? Hi, everyone. I thought some more detail would be helpful. Here's what's currently happening: --I am searching for Markers of Type: Index. --I've selected "Book" selected as the thing I want to search (in the Find/Change dialog box). --I've opened all the chapters of the book (they're minimized at the bottom of the Frame workspace), and I began my search from the Book window, if that makes any difference. --Since the first marker is in Chapter 1, that chapter opens to full size when the search finds the first marker. --I have the Markers window open so I can see the text of each marker. --As I cycle through the document looking at the markers, I sometimes edit existing markers, or I put the cursor in the text and insert new markers. Then I go back to searching from that point. --When Find/Change has located the last marker in the chapter, and I click Find again,? the search returns to page 1 of the same file instead of moving to the next file in the book. (And there ARE markers in all chapters, so it should open Chapter 2 instead of cycling again through Chapter 1). This is happening with a search for markers, but I have observed this behavior repeatedly in all kinds of searches. I see the same results coming up, in the same order, a second time; once the search has finished the second cycle, it goes on to the next file in the book. Surely other people experience this; it's seemed to be a Frame constant for years. If it's just me, what the heck am I doing to make this happen? On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at? 5:13 PM, Lief Erickson wrote: > My experience is that if you leave the Find dialog box to edit something, FrameMaker knows this and starts its search over from the last location of the cursor in the flow until it has circled through the file back to the cursor spot. If you don't jump from the Find dialog into the document, FrameMaker only goes through the file once. I know of no way to have it stop once it reaches the end of the file without circling back through if I've made a change in the document that wasn't using the Find dialog. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as kmcdaniel at pavtech.com. <mailto:kmcdaniel at pavtech.com> ? <mailto:kmcdaniel at pavtech.com> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. <mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> ? <mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com> To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com <mailto:framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com> ? <mailto:framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com> or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/kmcdaniel%40pavtech <http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/kmcdaniel%40pavtech> ? <http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/kmcdaniel%40pavtech> . com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. <mailto:listadmin at frameusers.com> ? <mailto:listadmin at frameusers.com> ?Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ <http://www.frameusers.com/> ? <http://www.frameusers.com/> ?for more resources and info.
Why does Frame cycle 2x ?
Nancy Allison wrote: > Hi, everyone. I thought some more detail would be helpful. Here's what's > currently happening: > > --As I cycle through the document looking at the markers, I sometimes > edit existing markers, or I put the cursor in the text and insert new > markers. Then I go back to searching from that point. > The Help file confirms Lief's theory: == Searching through a document If you are searching in a document, FrameMaker begins searching at the insertion point and continues through the document... When FrameMaker reaches the end of the document, it continues the search at the beginning. == By leaving the Find/Change dialog box and putting the cursor in the text, you are creating a new insertion point. When you "go back to searching," you are in fact beginning a *new* search, and FM behaves as described in the Help. The way to get it to stop is to buy IXGen and edit your index markers with that fabulous tool. ;-) (No commercial interest, just a satisfied customer.) -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com
Why does Frame cycle 2x ?
Whenever I use Find in a book, Frame always cycles twice through each chapter file before going on to the next chapter file. How come? How do I make it STOP. --Nancy ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Why does Frame cycle 2x ?
My experience is that if you leave the Find dialog box to edit something, FrameMaker knows this and starts its search over from the last location of the cursor in the flow until it has circled through the file back to the cursor spot. If you don't jump from the Find dialog into the document, FrameMaker only goes through the file once. I know of no way to have it stop once it reaches the end of the file without circling back through if I've made a change in the document that wasn't using the Find dialog. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:05 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Why does Frame cycle 2x ? Whenever I use Find in a book, Frame always cycles twice through each chapter file before going on to the next chapter file. How come? How do I make it STOP. --Nancy This email has been scanned. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Why does Frame cycle 2x ?
Whenever I use "Find" in a book, Frame always cycles twice through each chapter file before going on to the next chapter file. How come? How do I make it STOP. --Nancy
Why does Frame cycle 2x ?
My experience is that if you leave the Find dialog box to edit something, FrameMaker knows this and starts its search over from the last location of the cursor in the flow until it has circled through the file back to the cursor spot. If you don't jump from the Find dialog into the document, FrameMaker only goes through the file once. I know of no way to have it stop once it reaches the end of the file without circling back through if I've made a change in the document that wasn't using the Find dialog. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:05 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Why does Frame cycle 2x ? Whenever I use "Find" in a book, Frame always cycles twice through each chapter file before going on to the next chapter file. How come? How do I make it STOP. --Nancy This email has been scanned.
