Re: comparing variables in .fm files in FM10

[Chris Despopoulos]

Slightly off topic, but I made a product that manages variables on the web.  
You have a PHP web app running on your web server, and then Maker interfaces 
with it directly.  The variable definitions are extracted out of the document 
as a text file and posted onto the web site.  Then you can import one or more 
of the variables from each catalog that's up there (if you want to).  So it did 
two things...  Enhanced variables management in Maker, and set up global, 
centralized management of your enterprise variables on a web site.  It got a 
100% yawn, I might add (if that much).  Not one person so much as wanted to 
give it a beta test.  So I haven't looked at it for a year or so.  If this is 
real important, I might be able to massage it into something that would answer 
this problem...

cud
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[Chris Despopoulos]

Slightly off topic, but I made a product that manages variables on the web.? 
You have a PHP web app running on your web server, and then Maker interfaces 
with it directly.? The variable definitions are extracted out of the document 
as a text file and posted onto the web site.? Then you can import one or more 
of the variables from each catalog that's up there (if you want to).? So it did 
two things...? Enhanced variables management in Maker, and set up global, 
centralized management of your enterprise variables on a web site.? It got a 
100% yawn, I might add (if that much).? Not one person so much as wanted to 
give it a beta test.? So I haven't looked at it for a year or so.? If this is 
real important, I might be able to massage it into something that would answer 
this problem...

cud
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RE: comparing variables in .fm files in FM10

[Craig Ede]

I think he wants to compare first, before changing. This is another
situation where scanning the file for the variable definitions via script is
fairly easy.
Powershell is slow but would work on Windows to scan the two mifs and spit
out what each variable is defined as.

Craig

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Subject: Re: comparing variables in .fm files in FM10

Create a third, blank FM file with the correct variables set. Import the
variables from that template into each of the two other FM files so that
they are using the same variables.

Nadine



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RE: comparing variables in .fm files in FM10

[Craig Ede]

This could work as a compare as well if you save the original file before
the import and then do a file compare with the resulting file after import.
Any changed variables would then be flagged so you could revert or otherwise
alter them.

Craig 

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To: rebecca officer; Robert Lauriston; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: comparing variables in .fm files in FM10

Create a third, blank FM file with the correct variables set. Import the
variables from that template into each of the two other FM files so that
they are using the same variables.

Nadine



 Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com 7/07/12 09:06 
I inherited this book so I don't know what kind of messes are lurking 
in the source, so I want to check that all the variables in two .fm 
files are the same before I modify one to update the other.

The obvious thing seemed to be to bring up the Variables pod and switch 
between the two files to see if there are any differences, but
(1) the pod can't be maximized, (2) at its maximum size it displays 
only about 2/3 of the variables, and (3) when I switch from one file to 
the other the pod scrolls back up to the top. (What idiot designed
this?)

Suggestions? I can use the Select: All Open Docs option, but the 
differences aren't as immediately apparent as switching between 
windows, so I'm afraid I'll miss something.
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Re: comparing variables in .fm files in FM10

[Robert Lauriston]

I inherited this project and it'll take me a while to figure out what
the correct variables are. In the meantime, I need to start updating
it for the next release, and I have to avoid accidentally causing
errors by overwriting inconsistently used variables.

I have SnagIt so that's an option.

On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Writer generic...@yahoo.ca wrote:
 Create a third, blank FM file with the correct variables set. Import the 
 variables from that template into each of the two other FM files so that they 
 are using the same variables.
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Re: Comparing variables in FM files in FM10

[Jang F.M. Graat]

Hello Robert,

I have had the same problem often in the past, and one of the annoying things 
about the Variabled pod is that you cannot easily see whether or not a variable 
is actually used. The suggestions done so far on this list did not impress me 
at all, but give me a challenge and I will not rest until I have cooked 
something up.

I wrote an ExtendScript that lists all user-defined variables in two files and 
writes a report as CSV textile, which can be opened and studied in Excel. With 
that you will be able to determine which variables need to be deleted, copied, 
imported and in which direction the copying should be done.

The CSV lists all variable names and shows whether or not they are defined in 
both input files, how many times they are used in both input files and whether 
they have different values in the two files.

If I had a little more time I would include a dialog with checkboxes and an 
option to cleanup both files automatically, but I do have some paid scripting 
work to do and deadlines coming up.

If you are interested, send me an e-mail and I will send you the script. As 
FM10 includes ExtendScript out of the box, you do not need to install anything 
to run it. I will also see if Adobe wants to make the script available on their 
site somewhere. It might be handy for more Frame users in this world.

Kind regards from Amsterdam

JANG Communication
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Cell +31 6 5478 1632
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 Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 09:50:22 +1200
 From: rebecca officer rebecca.offi...@alliedtelesis.co.nz
 To: Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com,
   framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: comparing variables in .fm files in FM10
 Message-ID: 4ffaa95e02380004a...@gwia.alliedtelesyn.co.nz
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
 Take a screen snapshot of each variable pod and compare them from the 
 snapshots. If you've got snagit, you can even use the scroll capture mode and 
 get the whole pod in one snapshot.
 
 Cheers
 Rebecca
 
 
 Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com 7/07/12 09:06 
 I inherited this book so I don't know what kind of messes are lurking
 in the source, so I want to check that all the variables in two .fm
 files are the same before I modify one to update the other.
 
 The obvious thing seemed to be to bring up the Variables pod and
 switch between the two files to see if there are any differences, but
 (1) the pod can't be maximized, (2) at its maximum size it displays
 only about 2/3 of the variables, and (3) when I switch from one file
 to the other the pod scrolls back up to the top. (What idiot designed
 this?)
 

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[rebecca officer]

Take a screen snapshot of each variable pod and compare them from the 
snapshots. If you've got snagit, you can even use the scroll capture mode and 
get the whole pod in one snapshot.

Cheers
Rebecca


>>> Robert Lauriston  7/07/12 09:06 >>>
I inherited this book so I don't know what kind of messes are lurking
in the source, so I want to check that all the variables in two .fm
files are the same before I modify one to update the other.

The obvious thing seemed to be to bring up the Variables pod and
switch between the two files to see if there are any differences, but
(1) the pod can't be maximized, (2) at its maximum size it displays
only about 2/3 of the variables, and (3) when I switch from one file
to the other the pod scrolls back up to the top. (What idiot designed
this?)

Suggestions? I can use the Select: All Open Docs option, but the
differences aren't as immediately apparent as switching between
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comparing variables in .fm files in FM10

[Craig Ede]

I think he wants to compare first, before changing. This is another
situation where scanning the file for the variable definitions via script is
fairly easy.
Powershell is slow but would work on Windows to scan the two mifs and spit
out what each variable is defined as.

Craig

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To: rebecca officer; Robert Lauriston; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: comparing variables in .fm files in FM10

Create a third, blank FM file with the correct variables set. Import the
variables from that template into each of the two other FM files so that
they are using the same variables.

Nadine

comparing variables in .fm files in FM10

[Craig Ede]

This could work as a compare as well if you save the original file before
the import and then do a file compare with the resulting file after import.
Any changed variables would then be flagged so you could revert or otherwise
alter them.

Craig 

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To: rebecca officer; Robert Lauriston; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: comparing variables in .fm files in FM10

Create a third, blank FM file with the correct variables set. Import the
variables from that template into each of the two other FM files so that
they are using the same variables.

Nadine



>>>> Robert Lauriston  7/07/12 09:06 >>>
>I inherited this book so I don't know what kind of messes are lurking 
>in the source, so I want to check that all the variables in two .fm 
>files are the same before I modify one to update the other.
>
>The obvious thing seemed to be to bring up the Variables pod and switch 
>between the two files to see if there are any differences, but
>(1) the pod can't be maximized, (2) at its maximum size it displays 
>only about 2/3 of the variables, and (3) when I switch from one file to 
>the other the pod scrolls back up to the top. (What idiot designed
>this?)
>
>Suggestions? I can use the Select: All Open Docs option, but the 
>differences aren't as immediately apparent as switching between 
>windows, so I'm afraid I'll miss something.
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comparing variables in .fm files in FM10

[Robert Lauriston]

I inherited this project and it'll take me a while to figure out what
the correct variables are. In the meantime, I need to start updating
it for the next release, and I have to avoid accidentally causing
errors by overwriting inconsistently used variables.

I have SnagIt so that's an option.

On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Writer  wrote:
> Create a third, blank FM file with the correct variables set. Import the 
> variables from that template into each of the two other FM files so that they 
> are using the same variables.

Comparing variables in FM files in FM10

[Jang F.M. Graat]

Hello Robert,

I have had the same problem often in the past, and one of the annoying things 
about the Variabled pod is that you cannot easily see whether or not a variable 
is actually used. The suggestions done so far on this list did not impress me 
at all, but give me a challenge and I will not rest until I have cooked 
something up.

I wrote an ExtendScript that lists all user-defined variables in two files and 
writes a report as CSV textile, which can be opened and studied in Excel. With 
that you will be able to determine which variables need to be deleted, copied, 
imported and in which direction the copying should be done.

The CSV lists all variable names and shows whether or not they are defined in 
both input files, how many times they are used in both input files and whether 
they have different values in the two files.

If I had a little more time I would include a dialog with checkboxes and an 
option to cleanup both files automatically, but I do have some paid scripting 
work to do and deadlines coming up.

If you are interested, send me an e-mail and I will send you the script. As 
FM10 includes ExtendScript out of the box, you do not need to install anything 
to run it. I will also see if Adobe wants to make the script available on their 
site somewhere. It might be handy for more Frame users in this world.

Kind regards from Amsterdam

JANG Communication
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Amsterdam - Netherlands
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 09:50:22 +1200
> From: "rebecca officer" 
> To: "Robert Lauriston" ,
>   
> Subject: Re: comparing variables in .fm files in FM10
> Message-ID: <4FFAA95E02380004AF94 at gwia.alliedtelesyn.co.nz>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Take a screen snapshot of each variable pod and compare them from the 
> snapshots. If you've got snagit, you can even use the scroll capture mode and 
> get the whole pod in one snapshot.
> 
> Cheers
> Rebecca
> 
> 
>>>> Robert Lauriston  7/07/12 09:06 >>>
> I inherited this book so I don't know what kind of messes are lurking
> in the source, so I want to check that all the variables in two .fm
> files are the same before I modify one to update the other.
> 
> The obvious thing seemed to be to bring up the Variables pod and
> switch between the two files to see if there are any differences, but
> (1) the pod can't be maximized, (2) at its maximum size it displays
> only about 2/3 of the variables, and (3) when I switch from one file
> to the other the pod scrolls back up to the top. (What idiot designed
> this?)
> 

Re: comparing variables in .fm files in FM10

[rebecca officer]

Take a screen snapshot of each variable pod and compare them from the 
snapshots. If you've got snagit, you can even use the scroll capture mode and 
get the whole pod in one snapshot.
 
Cheers
Rebecca


 Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com 7/07/12 09:06 
I inherited this book so I don't know what kind of messes are lurking
in the source, so I want to check that all the variables in two .fm
files are the same before I modify one to update the other.

The obvious thing seemed to be to bring up the Variables pod and
switch between the two files to see if there are any differences, but
(1) the pod can't be maximized, (2) at its maximum size it displays
only about 2/3 of the variables, and (3) when I switch from one file
to the other the pod scrolls back up to the top. (What idiot designed
this?)

Suggestions? I can use the Select: All Open Docs option, but the
differences aren't as immediately apparent as switching between
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Re: comparing variables in .fm files in FM10

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Create a third, blank FM file with the correct variables set. Import the 
variables from that template into each of the two other FM files so that they 
are using the same variables.

Nadine



 Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com 7/07/12 09:06 
I inherited this book so I don't know what kind of messes are lurking
in the source, so I want to check that all the variables in two .fm
files are the same before I modify one to update the other.

The obvious thing seemed to be to bring up the Variables pod and
switch between the two files to see if there are any differences, but
(1) the pod can't be maximized, (2) at its maximum size it displays
only about 2/3 of the variables, and (3) when I switch from one file
to the other the pod scrolls back up to the top. (What idiot designed
this?)

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[Writer]

Create a third, blank FM file with the correct variables set. Import the 
variables from that template into each of the two other FM files so that they 
are using the same variables.

Nadine



 Robert Lauriston  7/07/12 09:06 >>>
>I inherited this book so I don't know what kind of messes are lurking
>in the source, so I want to check that all the variables in two .fm
>files are the same before I modify one to update the other.
>
>The obvious thing seemed to be to bring up the Variables pod and
>switch between the two files to see if there are any differences, but
>(1) the pod can't be maximized, (2) at its maximum size it displays
>only about 2/3 of the variables, and (3) when I switch from one file
>to the other the pod scrolls back up to the top. (What idiot designed
>this?)
>
>Suggestions? I can use the Select: All Open Docs option, but the
>differences aren't as immediately apparent as switching between
>windows, so I'm afraid I'll miss something.
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RE: comparing variables in .fm files in FM10

[Alison Craig]

You could buy a copy of Silicon Prairie's Variable Toll ($10.00) to help you 
compare things: http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com  

Alison


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Subject: comparing variables in .fm files in FM10

I inherited this book so I don't know what kind of messes are lurking in the 
source, so I want to check that all the variables in two .fm files are the same 
before I modify one to update the other.

The obvious thing seemed to be to bring up the Variables pod and switch between 
the two files to see if there are any differences, but
(1) the pod can't be maximized, (2) at its maximum size it displays only about 
2/3 of the variables, and (3) when I switch from one file to the other the pod 
scrolls back up to the top. (What idiot designed
this?)

Suggestions? I can use the Select: All Open Docs option, but the differences 
aren't as immediately apparent as switching between windows, so I'm afraid I'll 
miss something.
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comparing variables in .fm files in FM10

[Robert Lauriston]

I inherited this book so I don't know what kind of messes are lurking
in the source, so I want to check that all the variables in two .fm
files are the same before I modify one to update the other.

The obvious thing seemed to be to bring up the Variables pod and
switch between the two files to see if there are any differences, but
(1) the pod can't be maximized, (2) at its maximum size it displays
only about 2/3 of the variables, and (3) when I switch from one file
to the other the pod scrolls back up to the top. (What idiot designed
this?)

Suggestions? I can use the Select: All Open Docs option, but the
differences aren't as immediately apparent as switching between
windows, so I'm afraid I'll miss something.

comparing variables in .fm files in FM10

[Alison Craig]

You could buy a copy of Silicon Prairie's Variable Toll ($10.00) to help you 
compare things: http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com  

Alison


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 2:06 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: comparing variables in .fm files in FM10

I inherited this book so I don't know what kind of messes are lurking in the 
source, so I want to check that all the variables in two .fm files are the same 
before I modify one to update the other.

The obvious thing seemed to be to bring up the Variables pod and switch between 
the two files to see if there are any differences, but
(1) the pod can't be maximized, (2) at its maximum size it displays only about 
2/3 of the variables, and (3) when I switch from one file to the other the pod 
scrolls back up to the top. (What idiot designed
this?)

Suggestions? I can use the Select: All Open Docs option, but the differences 
aren't as immediately apparent as switching between windows, so I'm afraid I'll 
miss something.
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