jagged edges on graphics

2006-07-14 Thread Jan Homan
Using pdfFLY (available on Unix, Linux and Windows) you convert any graphics 
drawing saved 
in EPS to FrameMaker MIF native format.
Which will solve the jagged edges issue I think.

See http://www.visual-integrity.com for more information.

 
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jagged edges on graphics

2006-07-14 Thread Jan Homan
Using pdfFLY (available on Unix, Linux and Windows) you convert any graphics 
drawing saved 
in EPS to FrameMaker MIF native format.
Which will solve the jagged edges issue I think.

See http://www.visual-integrity.com for more information.





jagged edges on graphics

2006-07-14 Thread Combs, Richard
Jan Homan wrote: 

> Using pdfFLY (available on Unix, Linux and Windows) you 
> convert any graphics drawing saved in EPS to FrameMaker MIF 
> native format.
> Which will solve the jagged edges issue I think.
> 
> See http://www.visual-integrity.com for more information.

Looks like a very nice, useful tool. But the way Jon phrased his
question, it sounded like he was saving line drawings (vector graphics)
as bitmaps and importing them (he mentioned fiddling with dpi settings).


Even if pdfFLY can convert a bitmap/raster image into a vector/line
drawing (which I doubt; that's a complex tracing process that usually
requires lots of human intervention and cleanup at some point), the
proper solution for Jon isn't to save a line drawing as a bitmap and
then convert it back into a line drawing. 

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Re: jagged edges on graphics

2006-07-13 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 09:35 -0400 13/7/06, Jon Harvey wrote:

I'm stumped trying to figure out how to import/copy images into FM 7.2
(Windows) so that the come out right. The images I'm using are very
simple b/w but have thin vert/hor/diag lines that come out jagged when
imported into FM and/or sent to pdf. I've tried tif, eps, and various
dpi settings. Nothing seems to work right.

John: if you are seeing 'jaggies' for an EPS import, bear in mind that 
FrameMaker only uses the preview for the screen view ('cos it cannot render 
PostScript to screen, sadly). Try importing an EPS image and printing it, and 
see if you get the results you expect.

Also, are the originals vector or bitmap? If the latter, you'll always get 
jaggies to some degree.

Another problem I have is that, when importing, FM gives me a gray box or a 
box that has the file name inside it (!). Any recommendations? Again, these 
are just simple line drawings.

This sounds like an EPS import where the original EPS file has no preview. Try 
adding a preview and also try printing, as above.

Usually under these circumstances, the first time FrameMaker displays the page 
in question, it gives you a warning along the lines of 'Some images cannot be 
displayed but should print correctly', or something like that. Or it does in 
the Mac versions, anyway.

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RE: jagged edges on graphics

2006-07-13 Thread Combs, Richard
Shenton, David (DTRN) wrote: 
 
 Guys. what's the rule of thumb when it comes to line 
 drawings, screen shots and photo's when it comes to importing 
 a graphic. I use an old method, if it looks good its OK.

The first rule is: Understand how line drawings, screen shots, and
photos are different, and don't use the same rule of thumb for all
three. 

 Is there a web page that gives an explanation of what to use and why?

Well, if terms like vector, raster, and bitmap aren't all that clear to
you, you might start at Wikipedia (it ain't Brittanica, but is usually
pretty useful for stuff like this). Here are some links: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_graphics 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raster_graphics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Graphics_tutorials 

Others might have additional/better resources -- I'm so old, I learned
most of what I know before I was on the Web. ;-) 

Richard


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jagged edges on graphics

2006-07-13 Thread Jon Harvey
Hi all,



I'm stumped trying to figure out how to import/copy images into FM 7.2
(Windows) so that the come out right. The images I'm using are very
simple b/w but have thin vert/hor/diag lines that come out jagged when
imported into FM and/or sent to pdf. I've tried tif, eps, and various
dpi settings. Nothing seems to work right. Another problem I have is
that, when importing, FM gives me a gray box or a box that has the file
name inside it (!). Any recommendations? Again, these are just simple
line drawings.



Thanks...Jon




jagged edges on graphics

2006-07-13 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 09:35 -0400 13/7/06, Jon Harvey wrote:

>I'm stumped trying to figure out how to import/copy images into FM 7.2
>(Windows) so that the come out right. The images I'm using are very
>simple b/w but have thin vert/hor/diag lines that come out jagged when
>imported into FM and/or sent to pdf. I've tried tif, eps, and various
>dpi settings. Nothing seems to work right.

John: if you are seeing 'jaggies' for an EPS import, bear in mind that 
FrameMaker only uses the preview for the screen view ('cos it cannot render 
PostScript to screen, sadly). Try importing an EPS image and printing it, and 
see if you get the results you expect.

Also, are the originals vector or bitmap? If the latter, you'll always get 
jaggies to some degree.

>Another problem I have is that, when importing, FM gives me a gray box or a 
>box that has the file name inside it (!). Any recommendations? Again, these 
>are just simple line drawings.

This sounds like an EPS import where the original EPS file has no preview. Try 
adding a preview and also try printing, as above.

Usually under these circumstances, the first time FrameMaker displays the page 
in question, it gives you a warning along the lines of 'Some images cannot be 
displayed but should print correctly', or something like that. Or it does in 
the Mac versions, anyway.

-- 
Steve



jagged edges on graphics

2006-07-13 Thread Combs, Richard
Jon Harvey wrote:

> I'm stumped trying to figure out how to import/copy images into FM 7.2
> (Windows) so that the come out right. The images I'm using 
> are very simple b/w but have thin vert/hor/diag lines that 
> come out jagged when imported into FM and/or sent to pdf. 
> I've tried tif, eps, and various dpi settings. Nothing seems 
> to work right. Another problem I have is that, when 
> importing, FM gives me a gray box or a box that has the file 
> name inside it (!). Any recommendations? Again, these are 
> just simple line drawings.

What's the application in which the drawings originate? 

If they're line drawings, why are you saving and importing them as
bitmaps (as implied by "I've tried tif, eps, and various dpi settings.")
instead of in a vector format? 

Richard


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jagged edges on graphics

2006-07-13 Thread Shenton, David (DTRN)

Guys. what's the rule of thumb when it comes to line drawings, screen shots and 
photo's when it comes to importing a graphic. I use an old method, if it looks 
good its OK.

Is there a web page that gives an explanation of what to use and why?

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Subject: RE: jagged edges on graphics

Jon Harvey wrote:

> I'm stumped trying to figure out how to import/copy images into FM 7.2
> (Windows) so that the come out right. The images I'm using are very
> simple b/w but have thin vert/hor/diag lines that come out jagged when
> imported into FM and/or sent to pdf.
> I've tried tif, eps, and various dpi settings. Nothing seems to work
> right. Another problem I have is that, when importing, FM gives me a
> gray box or a box that has the file name inside it (!). Any
> recommendations? Again, these are just simple line drawings.

What's the application in which the drawings originate?

If they're line drawings, why are you saving and importing them as bitmaps (as 
implied by "I've tried tif, eps, and various dpi settings.") instead of in a 
vector format?

Richard


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jagged edges on graphics

2006-07-13 Thread Scott White
My rule is never trust what you see on the screen or from an office printer.
If it passes a pre-press test then it is good to go.
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> From: "Shenton, David (DTRN)" 
> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:06:29 -0600
> To: 
> Subject: RE: jagged edges on graphics
> 
> 
> Guys. what's the rule of thumb when it comes to line drawings, screen shots
> and photo's when it comes to importing a graphic. I use an old method, if it
> looks good its OK.
> 
> 
> Is there a web page that gives an explanation of what to use and why?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+david.shenton=smithsdetection.com at 
> lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+david.shenton=smithsdetection.com at 
> lists.frameusers.com
> ] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard
> Sent: July 13, 2006 12:51 PM
> To: Jon Harvey; framers at FrameUsers.com
> Subject: RE: jagged edges on graphics
> 
> Jon Harvey wrote:
> 
> 
>> I'm stumped trying to figure out how to import/copy images into FM 7.2
>> (Windows) so that the come out right. The images I'm using are very
> 
>> simple b/w but have thin vert/hor/diag lines that come out jagged when
> 
>> imported into FM and/or sent to pdf.
>> I've tried tif, eps, and various dpi settings. Nothing seems to work
> 
>> right. Another problem I have is that, when importing, FM gives me a
> 
>> gray box or a box that has the file name inside it (!). Any
> 
>> recommendations? Again, these are just simple line drawings.
> 
> What's the application in which the drawings originate?
> 
> 
> If they're line drawings, why are you saving and importing them as bitmaps (as
> implied by "I've tried tif, eps, and various dpi settings.") instead of in a
> vector format?
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
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jagged edges on graphics

2006-07-13 Thread Combs, Richard
Shenton, David (DTRN) wrote: 

> Guys. what's the rule of thumb when it comes to line 
> drawings, screen shots and photo's when it comes to importing 
> a graphic. I use an old method, if it looks good its OK.

The first rule is: Understand how line drawings, screen shots, and
photos are different, and don't use the same rule of thumb for all
three. 

> Is there a web page that gives an explanation of what to use and why?

Well, if terms like vector, raster, and bitmap aren't all that clear to
you, you might start at Wikipedia (it ain't Brittanica, but is usually
pretty useful for stuff like this). Here are some links: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_graphics 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raster_graphics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Graphics_tutorials 

Others might have additional/better resources -- I'm so old, I learned
most of what I know before I was on the Web. ;-) 

Richard


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