RE: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF
I don't wanna be overly blunt, but the new online help basically looks terrible (on my Windows 7 / IE10 default setup). The fonts are enormous and you have to click through too many layers of headings to find anything, with no ToC or breadcrumb trail. The plain fact is that the printed manual trumped any of this new-fangled gubbins. If Adobe really feel it eats into their profit margin too much to include it with the software as standard, could they not consider selling a printed manual separately, as an additional option? _ David Davis *** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. This email comes from a division of the Invensys Group, owned by Invensys Limited, which is a company registered in England and Wales with its registered office at 3rd Floor, 40 Grosvenor Place, London, SW1X 7AW (Registered number 166023). For a list of European legal entities within the Invensys Group, please select the Legal Entities link at invensys.com. Invensys Limited is owned by the Schneider-Electric Group. You may contact Invensys Limited on +44 (0)20 3155 1200 or e-mail recept...@invensys.com. This e-mail and any attachments thereto may be subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF
I agree. I downloaded the PDF instead. A lot of web content seems to be going the way of cell phone/small screen display. In the USA I see more and more sites starting to look like cell phone displays with less real information. It appears that instead of implementing responsive HTML, companies are implementing cell phone displays as the standard for all devices. I often think the information is also becoming more pedestrian, i.e less technical. I remember looking up how to install a home furnace. It said step three was the hardest; Step 3: Locating a furnace contractor. I that light, the only hard part about implementing Framemaker is locating a good FM consultant. Ed On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 1:32 AM, Davis, David david.da...@non.schneider-electric.com wrote: I don't wanna be overly blunt, but the new online help basically looks terrible (on my Windows 7 / IE10 default setup). The fonts are enormous and you have to click through too many layers of headings to find anything, with no ToC or breadcrumb trail. The plain fact is that the printed manual trumped any of this new-fangled gubbins. If Adobe really feel it eats into their profit margin too much to include it with the software as standard, could they not consider selling a printed manual separately, as an additional option? _ David Davis *** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. This email comes from a division of the Invensys Group, owned by Invensys Limited, which is a company registered in England and Wales with its registered office at 3rd Floor, 40 Grosvenor Place, London, SW1X 7AW (Registered number 166023). For a list of European legal entities within the Invensys Group, please select the Legal Entities link at invensys.com. Invensys Limited is owned by the Schneider-Electric Group. You may contact Invensys Limited on +44 (0)20 3155 1200 or e-mail recept...@invensys.com. This e-mail and any attachments thereto may be subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as enodl...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/enodland%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF
Agreed too. The online help is not great. I am using Frame 10 and am trying to make up my mind about putting through a request for 12 or wait until 13, which I’m guessing will be out next year. So I want to browse through the docs to get an idea of how helpful the new features will be. The PDF is much easier for this purpose. OTOH, either still beats the “help” in Word 2010 or 2013 which is completely useless. I just use Google when I need to find out something. Regards Keith From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Ed Nodland Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 8:54 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF I agree. I downloaded the PDF instead. A lot of web content seems to be going the way of cell phone/small screen display. In the USA I see more and more sites starting to look like cell phone displays with less real information. It appears that instead of implementing responsive HTML, companies are implementing cell phone displays as the standard for all devices. I often think the information is also becoming more pedestrian, i.e less technical. I remember looking up how to install a home furnace. It said step three was the hardest; Step 3: Locating a furnace contractor. I that light, the only hard part about implementing Framemaker is locating a good FM consultant. Ed NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This e-mail, including all materials contained in or attached to this e-mail, contains proprietary and confidential information solely for the internal use of the intended recipient. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or otherwise and ensure that it is permanently deleted from your systems, and do not print, copy, distribute or read its contents. AVIS DE CONFIDENTIALITÉ Le présent courriel, y compris tous les documents qu'il contient ou qui y sont joints, renferme des renseignements exclusifs et confidentiels destinés uniquement à l'usage interne du destinataire prévu. Si vous avez reçu le présent courriel par erreur, veuillez nous aviser immédiatement, notamment par retour de courriel, et vous assurer qu'il est supprimé de façon permanente de vos systèmes; veuillez également vous abstenir d'imprimer, de copier, de distribuer ou de lire son contenu. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF
Sorry if this is obvious to some .. I'm thinking it's not obvious to all. This Help system *is* responsive .. it's just that the response points seem to be at odd sizes (at least to me). If your browser window is around 1300px wide, you'll get the full set of features. At around 1000px you get a reduced set. Then around 700px it bumps down again. Losing the TOC at 1300px seems a bit extreme. Personally, I'd set that at 600-800px. Not everyone works with a browser at full screen, and there's no reason that you need so much room for the content pane. Keep the TOC visible until the content pane is too small to be useful. I really like the fact that this is responsive .. the problem is that a responsive layout needs to be well designed at all sizes. That does complicate things a bit, but it's worth the effort in the long run. Cheers, ...scott On 12/15/14 5:54 AM, Ed Nodland wrote: I agree. I downloaded the PDF instead. A lot of web content seems to be going the way of cell phone/small screen display. In the USA I see more and more sites starting to look like cell phone displays with less real information. It appears that instead of implementing responsive HTML, companies are implementing cell phone displays as the standard for all devices. I often think the information is also becoming more pedestrian, i.e less technical. I remember looking up how to install a home furnace. It said step three was the hardest; Step 3: Locating a furnace contractor. I that light, the only hard part about implementing Framemaker is locating a good FM consultant. Ed On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 1:32 AM, Davis, David david.da...@non.schneider-electric.com mailto:david.da...@non.schneider-electric.com wrote: I don't wanna be overly blunt, but the new online help basically looks terrible (on my Windows 7 / IE10 default setup). The fonts are enormous and you have to click through too many layers of headings to find anything, with no ToC or breadcrumb trail. The plain fact is that the printed manual trumped any of this new-fangled gubbins. If Adobe really feel it eats into their profit margin too much to include it with the software as standard, could they not consider selling a printed manual separately, as an additional option? _ David Davis *** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. This email comes from a division of the Invensys Group, owned by Invensys Limited, which is a company registered in England and Wales with its registered office at 3rd Floor, 40 Grosvenor Place, London, SW1X 7AW (Registered number 166023). For a list of European legal entities within the Invensys Group, please select the Legal Entities link at invensys.com http://invensys.com. Invensys Limited is owned by the Schneider-Electric Group. You may contact Invensys Limited on +44 (0)20 3155 1200 tel:%2B44%20%280%2920%203155%201200 or e-mail recept...@invensys.com mailto:recept...@invensys.com. This e-mail and any attachments thereto may be subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates). ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF
That seems like really bad UI to me. Not only does the TOC disappear, there's nothing you can click on to get it. Is that the default appearance of FrameMaker's / RoboHelp's Responsive HTML5 output? To me it looks amateurish and ugly, the kind of bad design that I was happy to lose when I migrated from RoboHelp to WebWorks ePublisher Pro. Viewing it on my desktop, type and icons are too big. On my Android phone, running text is SMALLER than the default, and adobe.com won't let me view the old version. Why even use responsive help for FrameMaker? It's not like anyone's running the application on a smartphone. On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Scott Prentice s...@leximation.com wrote: Sorry if this is obvious to some .. I'm thinking it's not obvious to all. This Help system *is* responsive .. it's just that the response points seem to be at odd sizes (at least to me). If your browser window is around 1300px wide, you'll get the full set of features. At around 1000px you get a reduced set. Then around 700px it bumps down again. Losing the TOC at 1300px seems a bit extreme. Personally, I'd set that at 600-800px. Not everyone works with a browser at full screen, and there's no reason that you need so much room for the content pane. Keep the TOC visible until the content pane is too small to be useful. I really like the fact that this is responsive .. the problem is that a responsive layout needs to be well designed at all sizes. That does complicate things a bit, but it's worth the effort in the long run. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF
Robert,The previous version is installed with FrameMaker 12 as a chm. It even has the Endnotes sections.I have the PDF of the CHM. Can't remember where I found it though. If you want a copy I can forward.Dave Spreadbury On Monday, December 15, 2014 12:54 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com wrote: That seems like really bad UI to me. Not only does the TOC disappear, there's nothing you can click on to get it. Is that the default appearance of FrameMaker's / RoboHelp's Responsive HTML5 output? To me it looks amateurish and ugly, the kind of bad design that I was happy to lose when I migrated from RoboHelp to WebWorks ePublisher Pro. Viewing it on my desktop, type and icons are too big. On my Android phone, running text is SMALLER than the default, and adobe.com won't let me view the old version. Why even use responsive help for FrameMaker? It's not like anyone's running the application on a smartphone. On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Scott Prentice s...@leximation.com wrote: Sorry if this is obvious to some .. I'm thinking it's not obvious to all. This Help system *is* responsive .. it's just that the response points seem to be at odd sizes (at least to me). If your browser window is around 1300px wide, you'll get the full set of features. At around 1000px you get a reduced set. Then around 700px it bumps down again. Losing the TOC at 1300px seems a bit extreme. Personally, I'd set that at 600-800px. Not everyone works with a browser at full screen, and there's no reason that you need so much room for the content pane. Keep the TOC visible until the content pane is too small to be useful. I really like the fact that this is responsive .. the problem is that a responsive layout needs to be well designed at all sizes. That does complicate things a bit, but it's worth the effort in the long run. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dspre...@yahoo.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dspreadb%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF
I'm viewing on a monitor, not a phone. For me, the TOC button moves to the bottom of the screen when window size is reduced. Mike Wickham On 12/15/2014 12:53 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: That seems like really bad UI to me. Not only does the TOC disappear, there's nothing you can click on to get it. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF
At around 1280 pixels or wider, there's a TOC nav tree in a left-hand pane. In the middle of the border between the TOC and the topic pane, there's a left arrow you can click to minimize the TOC. Minimized, there's a right arrow to expand it. At less than 1280, the expanded or minimized TOC disappears, and I see no way to get it. There is a button in the top left corner you can click to *replace* the current topic with a hard-to-navigate version of the TOC with huge amounts of white space. I only looked at it on my phone to see if the design choices that are awful on the desktop made any more sense. On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Mike Wickham i...@mikewickham.com wrote: I'm viewing on a monitor, not a phone. For me, the TOC button moves to the bottom of the screen when window size is reduced. Mike Wickham On 12/15/2014 12:53 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: That seems like really bad UI to me. Not only does the TOC disappear, there's nothing you can click on to get it. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF
Okay. I see now that I wasn't even seeing the TOC window at 1920 pixels wide because I have IE set to display at 150%. So I didn't know what I was missing. When I dropped down to 125% view, it popped in. Mike Wickham On 12/15/2014 1:33 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: At around 1280 pixels or wider, there's a TOC nav tree in a left-hand pane. In the middle of the border between the TOC and the topic pane, there's a left arrow you can click to minimize the TOC. Minimized, there's a right arrow to expand it. At less than 1280, the expanded or minimized TOC disappears, and I see no way to get it. There is a button in the top left corner you can click to *replace* the current topic with a hard-to-navigate version of the TOC with huge amounts of white space. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5
Adobe has updated online Documentation for FrameMaker 12 (click the HELP button to try it out.) The TWEET below has link to blog with details and illustrations: NEW #FrameMaker User’s Guide: Sliced, Diced, and Enhanced [Now in HTML5 Responsive Layout!] - adobe.ly/1yGIrTH Here are the direct links to the documentation: HTML: http://adobe.ly/11x6zyK PDF: http://adobe.ly/1uLhITn Maxwell Hoffmann | Product Evangelist | Adobe | p. 503.336.5952 | c. 503.805.3719 | mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann - http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann blogs.adobe.com/techcomm Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xIRecorded webinars: http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5
Maxwell,It would be great to be able to download the PDF or link to the HTML version but both links above don't work.My preference would be the PDF. I prefer to have a local copy.The HTML5 link does work. On Friday, December 12, 2014 12:53 PM, Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.com wrote: Adobe has updated online Documentation for FrameMaker 12 (click the HELP button to try it out.) The TWEET below has link to blog with details and illustrations: NEW #FrameMaker User’s Guide: Sliced, Diced, and Enhanced [Now in HTML5 Responsive Layout!] - adobe.ly/1yGIrTH Here are the direct links to the documentation: HTML: http://adobe.ly/11x6zyK PDF: http://adobe.ly/1uLhITn Maxwell Hoffmann | Product Evangelist | Adobe | p. 503.336.5952 | c. 503.805.3719 | mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann - http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann blogs.adobe.com/techcomm Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xI Recorded webinars: http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dspre...@yahoo.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dspreadb%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5
Hi Maxwell I'd love to see the HTML 5 Responsive layout but neither link works for me in FF or Chrome. Linda On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.com wrote: Adobe has updated online Documentation for FrameMaker 12 (click the HELP button to try it out.) The TWEET below has link to blog with details and illustrations: NEW #FrameMaker User’s Guide: Sliced, Diced, and Enhanced [Now in HTML5 Responsive Layout!] - adobe.ly/1yGIrTH Here are the direct links to the documentation: HTML: http://adobe.ly/11x6zyK PDF: http://adobe.ly/1uLhITn Maxwell Hoffmann | Product Evangelist | Adobe | p. 503.336.5952 | c. 503.805.3719 | mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann - http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann blogs.adobe.com/techcomm Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xIRecorded webinars: http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as l...@qad.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lnr%40qad.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5
Try the non-stage versions of the URLs .. http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/12.0/Help/Using/index.html#t=using-framemaker-12%2Ffrm_getstarted_gs%2Ffrm_getstarted_gs-1.htm http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/12.0/Help/using-framemaker-12.pdf Cheers! ...scott On 12/12/14 11:17 AM, Linda Rose wrote: Hi Maxwell I'd love to see the HTML 5 Responsive layout but neither link works for me in FF or Chrome. Linda On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.com mailto:mhoff...@adobe.com wrote: Adobe has updated online Documentation for FrameMaker 12 (click the HELP button to try it out.) The TWEET below has link to blog with details and illustrations: NEW #FrameMaker User’s Guide: Sliced, Diced, and Enhanced [Now in HTML5 Responsive Layout!] - adobe.ly/1yGIrTH http://adobe.ly/1yGIrTH Here are the direct links to the documentation: HTML: http://adobe.ly/11x6zyK PDF: http://adobe.ly/1uLhITn Maxwell Hoffmann | Product Evangelist | Adobe | p. 503.336.5952 tel:503.336.5952 | c. 503.805.3719 tel:503.805.3719 | mhoff...@adobe.com mailto:mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann - http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann blogs.adobe.com/techcomm http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xI Recorded webinars: http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as l...@qad.com mailto:l...@qad.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com mailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lnr%40qad.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com mailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as s...@leximation.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sp14%40leximation.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5
That obfuscated link resolves to http://help.stage.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/12.0/Help/Using/index.html which is presumably your internal-only staging area. If you remove the stage. it works correctly. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.com wrote: Here are the direct links to the documentation: HTML: http://adobe.ly/11x6zyK ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5
Robert, thank you for catching this. I will fix the link in the blog as well. Maxwell Hoffmann | Product Evangelist | Adobe | p. 503.336.5952 | c. 503.805.3719 | mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann - http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann blogs.adobe.com/techcomm Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xIRecorded webinars: http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J -Original Message- From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:37 AM To: Maxwell Hoffmann; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5 That obfuscated link resolves to http://help.stage.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/12.0/Help/Using/index.html which is presumably your internal-only staging area. If you remove the stage. it works correctly. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.com wrote: Here are the direct links to the documentation: HTML: http://adobe.ly/11x6zyK ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5
Folks, Here are the corrected shortened URLs to the online FrameMaker documentation outside of the stage area: HTML: http://adobe.ly/1Dokcld PDF: http://adobe.ly/1Dokp84 Maxwell Hoffmann | Product Evangelist | Adobe | p. 503.336.5952 | c. 503.805.3719 | mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann - http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann blogs.adobe.com/techcomm Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xIRecorded webinars: http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J -Original Message- From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:37 AM To: Maxwell Hoffmann; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5 That obfuscated link resolves to http://help.stage.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/12.0/Help/Using/index.html which is presumably your internal-only staging area. If you remove the stage. it works correctly. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.com wrote: Here are the direct links to the documentation: HTML: http://adobe.ly/11x6zyK ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as mhoff...@adobe.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mhoffman%40adobe.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5
The search seems to be broken, e.g. the results for footnote do not include this Create and edit footnotes topic: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WS6C3D24E6-2965-48bb-B6CF-50D1439AEB01.html Or maybe you just cut some content. Searching for endnote finds nothing. Something's wrong with the word spacing, compare old and new to see what I mean: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WSd817046a44e105e21e63e3d11ab7f7561e-7fff.html http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/12.0/Help/Using/index.html#t=using-framemaker-12%2Ffrm_books_bk%2Ffrm_books_bk-4.htm I prefer the smaller text in the old CSS. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5
Robert,Comparing the TOC of the New Using Framemaker 12 against the TOC of the one you referenced this morning (see below) concerning endnotes, there are several sections missing in the New version.Maybe keeping both links available would be a temporary fix.Just like I keep a copy of the Framemaker 5 User Guide because the index in the pre-Adobe Framemaker was more robust in what it covered. This is covered in the FM manual topic Create and maintain endnotes: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WSd817046a44e105e21e63e3d11ab7f7561e-7f49.html On Friday, December 12, 2014 2:03 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com wrote: The search seems to be broken, e.g. the results for footnote do not include this Create and edit footnotes topic: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WS6C3D24E6-2965-48bb-B6CF-50D1439AEB01.html Or maybe you just cut some content. Searching for endnote finds nothing. Something's wrong with the word spacing, compare old and new to see what I mean: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WSd817046a44e105e21e63e3d11ab7f7561e-7fff.html http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/12.0/Help/Using/index.html#t=using-framemaker-12%2Ffrm_books_bk%2Ffrm_books_bk-4.htm I prefer the smaller text in the old CSS. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dspre...@yahoo.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dspreadb%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5
I have not looked at the content yet, but Adobe documentation should be an exemplar, and IMHO a four-level TOC is not. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5
From the size of the New version, compared to the Old version, I would expect a lot of good stuff.Old has just shy of 700 pages. New has just shy of 1000 pages.That's 300 pages of information that wasn't available in the Old.I have to ask, why are there items missing from the New? On Friday, December 12, 2014 2:10 PM, David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com wrote: Robert,Comparing the TOC of the New Using Framemaker 12 against the TOC of the one you referenced this morning (see below) concerning endnotes, there are several sections missing in the New version.Maybe keeping both links available would be a temporary fix.Just like I keep a copy of the Framemaker 5 User Guide because the index in the pre-Adobe Framemaker was more robust in what it covered. This is covered in the FM manual topic Create and maintain endnotes: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WSd817046a44e105e21e63e3d11ab7f7561e-7f49.html On Friday, December 12, 2014 2:03 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com wrote: The search seems to be broken, e.g. the results for footnote do not include this Create and edit footnotes topic: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WS6C3D24E6-2965-48bb-B6CF-50D1439AEB01.html Or maybe you just cut some content. Searching for endnote finds nothing. Something's wrong with the word spacing, compare old and new to see what I mean: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WSd817046a44e105e21e63e3d11ab7f7561e-7fff.html http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/12.0/Help/Using/index.html#t=using-framemaker-12%2Ffrm_books_bk%2Ffrm_books_bk-4.htm I prefer the smaller text in the old CSS. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dspre...@yahoo.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dspreadb%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5
Hi Robert, Thank you for your detailed feedback. I will share this and other comments early next week with the doc team manager. Maxwell Hoffmann | Product Evangelist | Adobe | p. 503.336.5952 | c. 503.805.3719 | mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann - http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann blogs.adobe.com/techcomm Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xIRecorded webinars: http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J -Original Message- From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:03 PM To: Maxwell Hoffmann; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5 The search seems to be broken, e.g. the results for footnote do not include this Create and edit footnotes topic: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WS6C3D24E6-2965-48bb-B6CF-50D1439AEB01.html Or maybe you just cut some content. Searching for endnote finds nothing. Something's wrong with the word spacing, compare old and new to see what I mean: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WSd817046a44e105e21e63e3d11ab7f7561e-7fff.html http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/12.0/Help/Using/index.html#t=using-framemaker-12%2Ffrm_books_bk%2Ffrm_books_bk-4.htm I prefer the smaller text in the old CSS. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5
The new version has larger type, more white space, more headings, and lower dpi for screen shots, so, for example, the content on page 347 of the new version takes only about 3/4 of page 230 in the old version. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:18 PM, David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com wrote: From the size of the New version, compared to the Old version, I would expect a lot of good stuff. Old has just shy of 700 pages. New has just shy of 1000 pages. That's 300 pages of information that wasn't available in the Old. I have to ask, why are there items missing from the New? On Friday, December 12, 2014 2:10 PM, David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com wrote: Robert, Comparing the TOC of the New Using Framemaker 12 against the TOC of the one you referenced this morning (see below) concerning endnotes, there are several sections missing in the New version. Maybe keeping both links available would be a temporary fix. Just like I keep a copy of the Framemaker 5 User Guide because the index in the pre-Adobe Framemaker was more robust in what it covered. This is covered in the FM manual topic Create and maintain endnotes: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WSd817046a44e105e21e63e3d11ab7f7561e-7f49.html On Friday, December 12, 2014 2:03 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com wrote: The search seems to be broken, e.g. the results for footnote do not include this Create and edit footnotes topic: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WS6C3D24E6-2965-48bb-B6CF-50D1439AEB01.html Or maybe you just cut some content. Searching for endnote finds nothing. Something's wrong with the word spacing, compare old and new to see what I mean: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WSd817046a44e105e21e63e3d11ab7f7561e-7fff.html http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/12.0/Help/Using/index.html#t=using-framemaker-12%2Ffrm_books_bk%2Ffrm_books_bk-4.htm I prefer the smaller text in the old CSS. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dspre...@yahoo.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dspreadb%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5
Are you sure the items are missing? The blog about the new help files said: */Content organization:/* FrameMaker is a powerful product packed with rich functionality. However, not all users use all of its functionality all the time. While improving the guide, we made a conscious attempt to minimize scattering of information and keep content around related features together. For example, information about using structured authoring features forms two neat chapters in the new user's guide. This information was spread across several chapters in the earlier user's guide Mike Wickham On 12/12/2014 2:18 PM, David Spreadbury wrote: From the size of the New version, compared to the Old version, I would expect a lot of good stuff. Old has just shy of 700 pages. New has just shy of 1000 pages. That's 300 pages of information that wasn't available in the Old. I have to ask, why are there items missing from the New? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5
The word endnote does not appear in the new PDF, so that's pretty definitely gone. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Mike Wickham i...@mikewickham.com wrote: Are you sure the items are missing? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped; in PDF and HTML5
Just compare the TOC of the help file that ships with Frame 12 against the TOC of the new guide.The chapter that includes endnotes, in the current version, is missing several sections in the new version.A simple search of the new version for 'endnotes' will come back with Not Found. On Friday, December 12, 2014 6:22 PM, Mike Wickham i...@mikewickham.com wrote: Are you sure the items are missing? The blog about the new help files said: Content organization: FrameMaker is a powerful product packed with rich functionality. However, not all users use all of its functionality all the time. While improving the guide, we made a conscious attempt to minimize scattering of information and keep content around related features together. For example, information about using structured authoring features forms two neat chapters in the new user’s guide. This information was spread across several chapters in the earlier user’s guide Mike Wickham On 12/12/2014 2:18 PM, David Spreadbury wrote: From the size of the New version, compared to the Old version, I would expect a lot of good stuff. Old has just shy of 700 pages. New has just shy of 1000 pages. That's 300 pages of information that wasn't available in the Old. I have to ask, why are there items missing from the New? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dspre...@yahoo.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dspreadb%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
