Re: [Frameworks] 16mm questions

[Pip Chodorov]

Dear Gyula Nemes,

Never put film in your checked luggage because the Xray machines are 
much stronger for the hold.
You can see those effects in the film Degradation 1 by James 
Schneider (there are stills on his website: 
http://blog.jamesjune.info/films.html). He put his film successively 
through more and more airports.


Hand luggage scanners are not as strong, but the effect is 
cumulative. When I flew from Paris to interview Brakhage in Victoria, 
I changed planes in New York and Vancouver, going through 
hand-luggage xray six times, and there are visible white dot patterns 
in the dark areas of the image. (Maybe the scanners were stronger in 
2003 just after 9/11, or perhaps it's a bit easier to ask for a hand 
check now.)


Using lead bags doesn't help much because when they can't see what's 
inside, they turn up the xray power to get an image.


The workaround we developed at L'Abominable are stickers for your 
film cans that look just like Kodak labels, but show the film to be 
3200ASA. The airport workers know that their scanners will damage 
such sensitive film so they automatically opt for a hand swipe or 
check. You can bring a changing bag with you so that they can open 
the can in the darkness. Try the sticker attached here: 
EtiketXRAY.pdf.


-Pip Chodorov



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Re: [Frameworks] Steenbeck ST928 - polygon prism seized

[Francisco Torres]

Bad belts are the cause of many problems, even machines that are not
used too often get their belts ruined by just ageing. The plastic gets
very brittle with age even if taken care of. Recently I found some
belts that were not even used and the plastic had all but turned to
dust.
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Re: [Frameworks] Oskar Fischinger Installation

[j miner]

very nice!

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Dominic Angerame <
dominic.anger...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I went to the opening of the Oskar Fischinger installation at the
> Weinstein Gallery in San Francisco on Saturday December 16th. This
> exhibition was curated by Cindy Keefer. It was fantastic. Unfortunately I
> was the only experimental filmmaker at this event.
>
> If you have not seen it, it is a must.
>
> http://www.weinstein.com/exhibitions/
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[Frameworks] Oskar Fischinger Installation

[Dominic Angerame]

I went to the opening of the Oskar Fischinger installation at the Weinstein
Gallery in San Francisco on Saturday December 16th. This exhibition was
curated by Cindy Keefer. It was fantastic. Unfortunately I was the only
experimental filmmaker at this event.

If you have not seen it, it is a must.

http://www.weinstein.com/exhibitions/
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Re: [Frameworks] 16mm questions

[Christopher Ball]

I did have a bad experience with 35mm Fuji Reala film once (500asa) that
was fogged by an airport x-ray.  I suspect it was a more powerful x-ray
than the regular ones that scan your carry on, because it happened in Air
Canada Cargo while being shipped.  The fogging was quite evident throughout
a significant number of rolls, and it looked like light leaks from opening
a can.  We could not reshoot, but a brilliant VFX person in Halifax worked
on a digital fix for it, (he wrote an algorithm specifically for this fix),
and to this day I am one of the very few people who probably notice
anything.  All I see is very subtle fluctuations in the deepest blacks.

Anyway, the lesson is that the shippers and cargo areas probably use more
lethal xrays than the consumer ones in the normal security lines.

I still have a black lead-lined bag for film at home.  Not sure of the
legality of using those now, if you can even find them.  Maybe do a search
online.

Christopher

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Amanda Thomson 
wrote:

> A couple of years ago I took a suitcase full of exposed, but unprocessed
> film (from print stock to Tri-X, including the Agfa stock previously
> mentioned) over the Atlantic to Europe as checked luggage where it crossed
> through roughly 8 x-rays before I processed it all at L'Abominable in Paris.
>
> I'm no expert in fogging/image quality and truth be told I did shoot a
> reasonable amount of clouds and smog from forest fires, but the the images
> showed no obvious signs of X-ray fog.  This includes the Agfa 200D which
> was shot in clear conditions.  There was another issue with some of it,
> that I later realized was bromide drag, but that's something else
> altogether (it has to do with agitation).
>
> All this lead me to believe that the fear of passing film through X-rays
> is a bit exaggerated.  But of course this is only my experience...
>
> Amanda
>
> --
>
> https://vimeo.com/amandat
> http://www.irisfilmcollective.com
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Scott Dorsey 
> To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 13:01:34 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] 16mm questions
> The effect is cumulative.  One pass might not hurt... ten likely will.
> Measure fog density and you'll know, but of course by then it's too late.
> --scott
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: nemes gyula 
>> To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 13:57:18 +0100
>> Subject: [Frameworks] 16mm questions
>> Dear celluloid enthusiasts,
>>
>> I'm working on 16mm Bolex, travelling worldwide.
>> Can I ask you some advices?
>>
>> 1.Do you have any experiences in airport x-ray damages? Is x-ray
>> effective or not? Do lead-line bags protect the material or make even more
>> problems with security guards?
>> Airports say it's OK till 400 ISO, Kodak shows the damages caused by
>> x-ray.
>> Do you know any courier without x-ray checking?
>>
>> 2.Do you know any 16mm material produced presently besides Kodak?
>> The only one I know is Foma, a bad quality reversal material for same
>> prize as Kodak.
>>
>> Any advices highly appreciated.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Gyula Nemes
>> Hungary
>>
>> --
>> Nemes Gyula
>> Playtime
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>> Budapest 1025 Pusztaszeri út 11-13.
>> +36 20 9856277 <+36%2020%20985%206277>
>> https://vimeo.com/user4774101
>> www.zerofilm.hu
>> fb: Zero - Nemes Gyula filmje
>> #zero_film_official
>>
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Re: [Frameworks] 16mm questions

[Amanda Thomson]

A couple of years ago I took a suitcase full of exposed, but unprocessed
film (from print stock to Tri-X, including the Agfa stock previously
mentioned) over the Atlantic to Europe as checked luggage where it crossed
through roughly 8 x-rays before I processed it all at L'Abominable in Paris.

I'm no expert in fogging/image quality and truth be told I did shoot a
reasonable amount of clouds and smog from forest fires, but the the images
showed no obvious signs of X-ray fog.  This includes the Agfa 200D which
was shot in clear conditions.  There was another issue with some of it,
that I later realized was bromide drag, but that's something else
altogether (it has to do with agitation).

All this lead me to believe that the fear of passing film through X-rays is
a bit exaggerated.  But of course this is only my experience...

Amanda

-- 

https://vimeo.com/amandat
http://www.irisfilmcollective.com

-- Forwarded message --
From: Scott Dorsey 
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 13:01:34 -0500
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] 16mm questions
The effect is cumulative.  One pass might not hurt... ten likely will.
Measure fog density and you'll know, but of course by then it's too late.
--scott


-- Forwarded message --
> From: nemes gyula 
> To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 13:57:18 +0100
> Subject: [Frameworks] 16mm questions
> Dear celluloid enthusiasts,
>
> I'm working on 16mm Bolex, travelling worldwide.
> Can I ask you some advices?
>
> 1.Do you have any experiences in airport x-ray damages? Is x-ray effective
> or not? Do lead-line bags protect the material or make even more problems
> with security guards?
> Airports say it's OK till 400 ISO, Kodak shows the damages caused by x-ray.
> Do you know any courier without x-ray checking?
>
> 2.Do you know any 16mm material produced presently besides Kodak?
> The only one I know is Foma, a bad quality reversal material for same
> prize as Kodak.
>
> Any advices highly appreciated.
>
> Best,
>
> Gyula Nemes
> Hungary
>
> --
> Nemes Gyula
> Playtime
> Absolut Film Studio
> Budapest 1025 Pusztaszeri út 11-13.
> +36 20 9856277 <+36%2020%20985%206277>
> https://vimeo.com/user4774101
> www.zerofilm.hu
> fb: Zero - Nemes Gyula filmje
> #zero_film_official
>
>
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Re: [Frameworks] 16mm questions

[nemes gyula]

Thank you so much for your answers, dear friends.
It looks airport x-ray doesn't effect the material that much.
The best price/quality option is still Kodak, and those frozen Fuji
materials which I also use recently.
All the best,

2017-12-18 21:31 GMT+01:00 Sean Weitzel :

> And it's polyester.
>
> On Dec 18, 2017 10:03 AM, "Scott Dorsey"  wrote:
>
>> > Wittner Chrome is also making some colour reversal film, although
>> > overpriced :
>>
>> Actually, that's from the remaining Agfa stock.  It's an Agfa aerial film
>> rebadged.
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Re: [Frameworks] Experimental Films before 1910

[Mark Street]

Thanks to all.  I especially appreciate Jonathan Walley's skepticism bout
the entire venture!  I share that skepticism, actually

all the best,
Mark

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 6:50 AM,  wrote:

>
> As some of this is perhaps about intent and ways of thinking I'd push for
> you to consider those that were never made. Leopold Survage, designs for
> his 'Le Rythme Colore' for instance. OK it dates from 1913 but being
> flexible with dates could accomodate an ever so slightly wider range of
> material.
>
>
>
>
> ||
> NACHLEBEN FILM LAB AND ARCHIVE
> http://www.nachleben.org.uk
> CUBE CINEMA. BRISTOL
> http://www.cubecinema.com/
>
> ||
>
> On Wed, 13 Dec 2017, Mark Street wrote:
>
> Hey All,
>>
>> Preparing a brief talk on The Experimental Impulse in Early Cinema
>> thinking about how it ALL was that way by
>> definition early on; an inventory of tricks, effusions, failed and
>> successful experiments.
>>
>> Any favorites anyone can recommend?
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
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