Re: [Frameworks] speaking of Bleu Shut...

[todd eacrett]

 
There was a 165° fisheye lens (Pacific Optical 3.45mm) for gun or cockpit 
cameras that produced a circular image like that and would jibe with the 
military surplus origin. One of the samples I have (and some others I’ve seen) 
has a small hole/divot dead centre in the front element. Definitely 
factory-drilled, and I’m guessing to provide a reference or alignment mark on 
the footage.



On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 17:22:27 -0400, Eric Theise  wrote:
 


I attended PFA's screening of Luminous Procuress a few weeks back 
(https://bampfa.org/event/out-vault-luminous-procuress) and was startled to see 
an effect I've only ever associated with Robert Nelson's Bleu Shut. There are 
at least two sections in Nelson's film – one where a group of people are 
repeatedly sticking their tongues out, one where a man is teetering around on a 
child's (bi-? tri-?) cycle before toppling into a large puddle of water, 
both in slow motion – where there's a kind of fisheye view with a small, very 
black hole at the center of the disk. Curator Emeritus Steve Seid thought it 
was a lab effect but I'm curious if any of you know how it was made, what the 
effect is called, and if you know of any other films that use it.

 


Grateful to Albert and the "clock" thread for reminding me to ask.

 

Eric

 


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Re: [Frameworks] Films about the clock

[Peter Snowdon]

Boris Lehman, La chute des heures (1990). Nothing but clocks for 8 minutes:-)

Envoyé de mon iPad

> Le 27 oct. 2018 à 14:07, Albert Alcoz  a écrit :
> 
> Hello frameworkers,
> 
>  
> 
> I’m trying to write a short article in spanish about different notions of 
> time concerning contemporary experimental film and video. Since the concept 
> of “time related to cinema” is almost impossible to delimit I have decided to 
> concentrate just about the clock.
> 
>  
> 
> So, i’m searching films and videos where the clock is an important 
> object/issue for the development of the piece. By now I have just found 
> appropiation works as 60 Seconds (2002) by Christoph Girardet and The Clock 
> (2012) by Christian Marclay but i’m sure there are dozens.
> 
>  
> 
> There’s a brilliant film by Chris Gallagher named Time Being (2009) that 
> could also be useful to theorize some ideas but I need some more titles.
> 
>  
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you all,
> 
>  
> 
> Best,
> 
> Albert
> 
> 
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Re: [Frameworks] Films about the clock

[Tyler Maxin]

Nam June Paik's TV Clock 
comes to mind. Or Gordon Matta-Clark's Harold Lloyd-ian Clockshower
.
Regarding the lack of more contemporary work, maybe there are more recent
things in digital/Internet art? I'm not particularly knowledgable, but
something like Thomson & Craighead's Flipped Clock
 might be of
interest.

Oh yeah, has anyone suggested Robert Nelson's Bleu Shut?

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 5:31 PM Beebe, Roger W.  wrote:

> It’d be great if everyone read the original post and what others post in
> the thread, wouldn’t it?  If one more person suggests Bleu Shut...!
>
> But to try to inject a little substance here, I think it’s telling that
> most of the examples that we’ve collectively come up with are from an
> earlier era (many in the heyday of Structural Film).  Marclay’s magnum opus
> notwithstanding, it does seem like experimental film now isn’t especially
> invested in that kind of rigid formal investigation of time (&c.) in the
> way it once was…
>
> Quickly,
> Roger
>
> On Oct 29, 2018, at 5:21 PM, Caroline Gil  wrote:
>
> Hola Albert,
>
> You should also consider Christian Marclay's *The Clock*, now up at the
> Tate Modern.
>
> https://youtu.be/irtVNTFr4f4
> 
>
>
> https://www.tate.org.uk/art/lists/five-ways-christian-marclays-clock-does-more-just-tell-time
> 
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 4:52 PM Andy Ditzler  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Consider also Guy Sherwin's *At the Academy *and * Metronome, *both of
>> which feature timekeeping devices related to the clock.
>>
>> Andy Ditzler
>> Founder and curator, Film Love: www.filmlove.org
>> 
>> Co-founder, John Q collective: www.johnq.org
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 4:20 PM Albert Alcoz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello again,
>>>
>>> Thank you all for the answers. The winner is *Bleu Shut* (1971) by
>>> Robert Nelson, with four different votes!
>>>
>>> The suggestions will be really useful although i see it is rather
>>> difficult to mention contemporary works. I have found some others created
>>> around the seventies, like those filmed by Guy Sherwin: *Candle & Clock
>>> (London 1977)* and *Clock & Train (Leaving Birmingham 1978). *
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Albert
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 10:17 AM Daniel A. Swarthnas 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Albert!

 I guess you have been thinking about Bleu Shut (1971) by Robert Nelson.
 In "classic" narrative cinema you will find many films of course,
 like Smultronstället/Wild Strawbarries (1957) by Ingmar Bergman and Victor
 Sjöströms Körkarlen(1921)


 Daniel A. Swarthnas
 Cinema Parenthèse
 swarth...@mail.com
 +46(0)705778603


 *Sent:* Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 1:07 PM
 *From:* "Albert Alcoz" 
 *To:* "Experimental Film Discussion List" <
 frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
 *Subject:* [Frameworks] Films about the clock

 Hello frameworkers,


 I’m trying to write a short article in spanish about different notions
 of time concerning contemporary experimental film and video. Since the
 concept of “time related to cinema” is almost impossible to delimit I have
 decided to concentrate just about the clock.


 So, i’m searching films and videos where the clock is an important
 object/issue for the development of the piece. By now I have just found
 appropiation works as *60 Seconds* (2002) by Christoph Girardet and *The
 Clock* (2012) by Christian Marclay but i’m sure there are dozens.


 There’s a brilliant film by Chris Gallagher named *Time Being* (2009)
 that could also be useful to theorize some ideas but I need some more
 titles.


 Any suggestions?


 Thank you all,


 Best,

 Albert

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Re: [Frameworks] speaking of Bleu Shut...

[Jeff Kreines]

Definitely not a lab effect. 

In the sixties, when fisheye lenses were a craze, those with no money for a 
real fisheye used a trick from Popular Photography.  You’d take a little 
peephole viewer (like you find in apartment building doors) and mount it to a 
lens cap that you’ve drilled a hole in.  Looks like that to me.

I don’t see the small black center hole in your photos, so I can’t comment on 
that.

Jeff “projected a Bob Nelson retrospective in Chicago in ’72 and met Tom 
Palazzolo because of it” Kreines

> On Oct 29, 2018, at 4:22 PM, Eric Theise  wrote:
> 
> I attended PFA's screening of Luminous Procuress a few weeks back 
> (https://bampfa.org/event/out-vault-luminous-procuress 
> ) and was startled to 
> see an effect I've only ever associated with Robert Nelson's Bleu Shut. There 
> are at least two sections in Nelson's film – one where a group of people are 
> repeatedly sticking their tongues out, one where a man is teetering around on 
> a child's (bi-? tri-?) cycle before toppling into a large puddle of water, 
> both in slow motion – where there's a kind of fisheye view with a small, very 
> black hole at the center of the disk. Curator Emeritus Steve Seid thought it 
> was a lab effect but I'm curious if any of you know how it was made, what the 
> effect is called, and if you know of any other films that use it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Grateful to Albert and the "clock" thread for reminding me to ask.
> 
> Eric
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Re: [Frameworks] Films about the clock

[Beebe, Roger W.]

It’d be great if everyone read the original post and what others post in the 
thread, wouldn’t it?  If one more person suggests Bleu Shut...!

But to try to inject a little substance here, I think it’s telling that most of 
the examples that we’ve collectively come up with are from an earlier era (many 
in the heyday of Structural Film).  Marclay’s magnum opus notwithstanding, it 
does seem like experimental film now isn’t especially invested in that kind of 
rigid formal investigation of time (&c.) in the way it once was…

Quickly,
Roger

On Oct 29, 2018, at 5:21 PM, Caroline Gil 
mailto:gilcarolin...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hola Albert,

You should also consider Christian Marclay's The Clock, now up at the Tate 
Modern.

https://youtu.be/irtVNTFr4f4

https://www.tate.org.uk/art/lists/five-ways-christian-marclays-clock-does-more-just-tell-time

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 4:52 PM Andy Ditzler 
mailto:a...@andyditzler.com>> wrote:
Hello,

Consider also Guy Sherwin's At the Academy and Metronome, both of which feature 
timekeeping devices related to the clock.

Andy Ditzler
Founder and curator, Film Love: www.filmlove.org
Co-founder, John Q collective: www.johnq.org



On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 4:20 PM Albert Alcoz 
mailto:albertal...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello again,

Thank you all for the answers. The winner is Bleu Shut (1971) by Robert Nelson, 
with four different votes!

The suggestions will be really useful although i see it is rather difficult to 
mention contemporary works. I have found some others created around the 
seventies, like those filmed by Guy Sherwin: Candle & Clock (London 1977) and 
Clock & Train (Leaving Birmingham 1978).

Best,
Albert

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 10:17 AM Daniel A. Swarthnas 
mailto:swarth...@mail.com>> wrote:
Hi Albert!

I guess you have been thinking about Bleu Shut (1971) by Robert Nelson. In 
"classic" narrative cinema you will find many films of course, like 
Smultronstället/Wild Strawbarries (1957) by Ingmar Bergman and Victor Sjöströms 
Körkarlen(1921)


Daniel A. Swarthnas
Cinema Parenthèse
swarth...@mail.com
+46(0)705778603


Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 1:07 PM
From: "Albert Alcoz" mailto:albertal...@gmail.com>>
To: "Experimental Film Discussion List" 
mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
Subject: [Frameworks] Films about the clock
Hello frameworkers,

I’m trying to write a short article in spanish about different notions of time 
concerning contemporary experimental film and video. Since the concept of “time 
related to cinema” is almost impossible to delimit I have decided to 
concentrate just about the clock.

So, i’m searching films and videos where the clock is an important object/issue 
for the development of the piece. By now I have just found appropiation works 
as 60 Seconds (2002) by Christoph Girardet and The Clock (2012) by Christian 
Marclay but i’m sure there are dozens.

There’s a brilliant film by Chris Gallagher named Time Being (2009) that could 
also be useful to theorize some ideas but I need some more titles.

Any suggestions?

Thank you all,

Best,
Albert

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Re: [Frameworks] Films about the clock

[Caroline Gil]

Hola Albert,

You should also consider Christian Marclay's *The Clock*, now up at the
Tate Modern.

https://youtu.be/irtVNTFr4f4

https://www.tate.org.uk/art/lists/five-ways-christian-marclays-clock-does-more-just-tell-time

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 4:52 PM Andy Ditzler  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Consider also Guy Sherwin's *At the Academy *and *Metronome, *both of
> which feature timekeeping devices related to the clock.
>
> Andy Ditzler
> Founder and curator, Film Love: www.filmlove.org
> Co-founder, John Q collective: www.johnq.org
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 4:20 PM Albert Alcoz 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello again,
>>
>> Thank you all for the answers. The winner is *Bleu Shut* (1971) by
>> Robert Nelson, with four different votes!
>>
>> The suggestions will be really useful although i see it is rather
>> difficult to mention contemporary works. I have found some others created
>> around the seventies, like those filmed by Guy Sherwin: *Candle & Clock
>> (London 1977)* and *Clock & Train (Leaving Birmingham 1978). *
>>
>> Best,
>> Albert
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 10:17 AM Daniel A. Swarthnas 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Albert!
>>>
>>> I guess you have been thinking about Bleu Shut (1971) by Robert Nelson.
>>> In "classic" narrative cinema you will find many films of course,
>>> like Smultronstället/Wild Strawbarries (1957) by Ingmar Bergman and Victor
>>> Sjöströms Körkarlen(1921)
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel A. Swarthnas
>>> Cinema Parenthèse
>>> swarth...@mail.com
>>> +46(0)705778603
>>>
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 1:07 PM
>>> *From:* "Albert Alcoz" 
>>> *To:* "Experimental Film Discussion List" <
>>> frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
>>> *Subject:* [Frameworks] Films about the clock
>>>
>>> Hello frameworkers,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m trying to write a short article in spanish about different notions
>>> of time concerning contemporary experimental film and video. Since the
>>> concept of “time related to cinema” is almost impossible to delimit I have
>>> decided to concentrate just about the clock.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So, i’m searching films and videos where the clock is an important
>>> object/issue for the development of the piece. By now I have just found
>>> appropiation works as *60 Seconds* (2002) by Christoph Girardet and *The
>>> Clock* (2012) by Christian Marclay but i’m sure there are dozens.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There’s a brilliant film by Chris Gallagher named *Time Being* (2009)
>>> that could also be useful to theorize some ideas but I need some more
>>> titles.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Albert
>>>
>>> --
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>>> http://albertalcoz.com/ 
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Re: [Frameworks] Films about the clock

[Andy Ditzler]

Hello,

Consider also Guy Sherwin's *At the Academy *and *Metronome, *both of which
feature timekeeping devices related to the clock.

Andy Ditzler
Founder and curator, Film Love: www.filmlove.org
Co-founder, John Q collective: www.johnq.org



On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 4:20 PM Albert Alcoz  wrote:

> Hello again,
>
> Thank you all for the answers. The winner is *Bleu Shut* (1971) by Robert
> Nelson, with four different votes!
>
> The suggestions will be really useful although i see it is rather
> difficult to mention contemporary works. I have found some others created
> around the seventies, like those filmed by Guy Sherwin: *Candle & Clock
> (London 1977)* and *Clock & Train (Leaving Birmingham 1978). *
>
> Best,
> Albert
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 10:17 AM Daniel A. Swarthnas 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Albert!
>>
>> I guess you have been thinking about Bleu Shut (1971) by Robert Nelson.
>> In "classic" narrative cinema you will find many films of course,
>> like Smultronstället/Wild Strawbarries (1957) by Ingmar Bergman and Victor
>> Sjöströms Körkarlen(1921)
>>
>>
>> Daniel A. Swarthnas
>> Cinema Parenthèse
>> swarth...@mail.com
>> +46(0)705778603
>>
>>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 1:07 PM
>> *From:* "Albert Alcoz" 
>> *To:* "Experimental Film Discussion List" > >
>> *Subject:* [Frameworks] Films about the clock
>>
>> Hello frameworkers,
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m trying to write a short article in spanish about different notions of
>> time concerning contemporary experimental film and video. Since the concept
>> of “time related to cinema” is almost impossible to delimit I have decided
>> to concentrate just about the clock.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, i’m searching films and videos where the clock is an important
>> object/issue for the development of the piece. By now I have just found
>> appropiation works as *60 Seconds* (2002) by Christoph Girardet and *The
>> Clock* (2012) by Christian Marclay but i’m sure there are dozens.
>>
>>
>>
>> There’s a brilliant film by Chris Gallagher named *Time Being* (2009)
>> that could also be useful to theorize some ideas but I need some more
>> titles.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you all,
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Albert
>>
>> --
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>> http://albertalcoz.com/ 
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Re: [Frameworks] Films about the clock

[Albert Alcoz]

Hello again,

Thank you all for the answers. The winner is *Bleu Shut* (1971) by Robert
Nelson, with four different votes!

The suggestions will be really useful although i see it is rather difficult
to mention contemporary works. I have found some others created around the
seventies, like those filmed by Guy Sherwin: *Candle & Clock (London 1977)*
and *Clock & Train (Leaving Birmingham 1978). *

Best,
Albert

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 10:17 AM Daniel A. Swarthnas 
wrote:

> Hi Albert!
>
> I guess you have been thinking about Bleu Shut (1971) by Robert Nelson. In
> "classic" narrative cinema you will find many films of course,
> like Smultronstället/Wild Strawbarries (1957) by Ingmar Bergman and Victor
> Sjöströms Körkarlen(1921)
>
>
> Daniel A. Swarthnas
> Cinema Parenthèse
> swarth...@mail.com
> +46(0)705778603
>
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 1:07 PM
> *From:* "Albert Alcoz" 
> *To:* "Experimental Film Discussion List" 
> *Subject:* [Frameworks] Films about the clock
>
> Hello frameworkers,
>
>
>
> I’m trying to write a short article in spanish about different notions of
> time concerning contemporary experimental film and video. Since the concept
> of “time related to cinema” is almost impossible to delimit I have decided
> to concentrate just about the clock.
>
>
>
> So, i’m searching films and videos where the clock is an important
> object/issue for the development of the piece. By now I have just found
> appropiation works as *60 Seconds* (2002) by Christoph Girardet and *The
> Clock* (2012) by Christian Marclay but i’m sure there are dozens.
>
>
>
> There’s a brilliant film by Chris Gallagher named *Time Being* (2009)
> that could also be useful to theorize some ideas but I need some more
> titles.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
>
> Thank you all,
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Albert
>
> --
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> http://albertalcoz.com/ 
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Re: [Frameworks] Films about the clock

[Daniel A. Swarthnas]

Hi Albert!

 

I guess you have been thinking about Bleu Shut (1971) by Robert Nelson. In "classic" narrative cinema you will find many films of course, like Smultronstället/Wild Strawbarries (1957) by Ingmar Bergman and Victor Sjöströms Körkarlen(1921)

 

 

Daniel A. Swarthnas

Cinema Parenthèse
swarth...@mail.com
+46(0)705778603

 
 

Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 1:07 PM
From: "Albert Alcoz" 
To: "Experimental Film Discussion List" 
Subject: [Frameworks] Films about the clock





Hello frameworkers,

 

I’m trying to write a short article in spanish about different notions of time concerning contemporary experimental film and video. Since the concept of “time related to cinema” is almost impossible to delimit I have decided to concentrate just about the clock. 

 

So, i’m searching films and videos where the clock is an important object/issue for the development of the piece. By now I have just found appropiation works as 60 Seconds (2002) by Christoph Girardet and The Clock (2012) by Christian Marclay but i’m sure there are dozens.

 

There’s a brilliant film by Chris Gallagher named Time Being (2009) that could also be useful to theorize some ideas but I need some more titles.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Thank you all,

 

Best,

Albert


 
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