Re: [Frameworks] Feature 16mm FILM Kickstarter

[Peter Mudie]

Me too - but I think adding a filter to knock out Œbunny rabbit research¹
queries (and replies that include the word ŒBugs¹) would be immensely
welcome.

Just a suggestion (also in the spirit of giving),
Peter
(Perth)

On 25/12/2016 6:39 am, "FrameWorks on behalf of Chuck Kleinhans"
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>I¹m with Fred.  Maybe a simple solution is for the poster to include the
>clue Kickstarter in the subject line.  Then readers can easily ignore it.
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[Chuck Kleinhans]

I’m with Fred.  Maybe a simple solution is for the poster to include the clue 
Kickstarter in the subject line.  Then readers can easily ignore it.





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Re: [Frameworks] Feature 16mm FILM Kickstarter

[Fred Camper]

I can't resist a reply, though admittedly a bit off-topic: Willie Sutton 
always denied having said this. Apparently a reporter made it up. See 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Sutton


His actual reason for robbing banks is much more interesting: "I loved it."

I agree that one cannot object to a kickstarter link. But the 
"ecosystem" of FrameWorks has evolved from a list that used to have some 
actual discussions on it, however idiotic (and I include some of my own 
arguments in "idiotic"), however nasty, about real issues of cinema and 
art, to a list that consists mostly of self-promotions and questions on 
the order of, "Can anyone give me a list of films that include bunny 
rabbits," with no further explanation as to the reason for the query. Is 
this not in keeping with our current culture, in which everyone is 
absorbed in themselves, their business, their money, their feelings, and 
in what others can do for ME? Our elections go the same way. People vote 
on their highly personal emotional response to a candidate, rather than 
by studying the issues, and trying to objectively assess the candidate's 
qualifications.


"I loved it." Perhaps one should find a way to do something one loves, 
with or without money.


But no, I am not objecting to those easy-to-ignore Kickstarter links. 
Interesting though how the evolving Web has made something easy that no 
one would have considered earlier. I have trouble imagining a FrameWorks 
post in the pre-Kickstarter days stating, "I need money to finish my 
film. Please send me some. Here's my address. I'll send you a T-shirt in 
return." The current Web has made us even more self-absorbed, it seems.


In the spirit of holiday giving,

Fred Camper
Chicago

On 12/24/2016 9:32 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:

Indeed.  I am not offended at seeing kickstarters, but, well, I don't have any
money.  If I did, I'd finish my own film about a girl trapped on the moon.

Somehow I don't think sending to a list of artists is an effective way
to find financial backing.  I am reminded that Willie Sutton was once
asked why he robbed banks and he said, "because that's where the money is."
If you're looking for investors, go where the money is.
--scott


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Re: [Frameworks] Feature 16mm FILM Kickstarter

[Scott Dorsey]

Indeed.  I am not offended at seeing kickstarters, but, well, I don't have any
money.  If I did, I'd finish my own film about a girl trapped on the moon.

Somehow I don't think sending to a list of artists is an effective way
to find financial backing.  I am reminded that Willie Sutton was once
asked why he robbed banks and he said, "because that's where the money is."
If you're looking for investors, go where the money is.
--scott


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[Bernd Luetzeler]

I’m not sure if sending crowdfunding campaigns to frameworks is the best way to 
raise funds,
because I think most people here are facing similar film funding problems 
themselves...
But as long as the project is in sync with what the community stands for, I am 
totally fine with it.
Also, I think it would be very problematic to ban crowdfunding as 
self-promotion,
while promoting screenings and events is just fine… because that’s also 
self-promotion, right?
Bernd


> Am 24.12.2016 um 15:39 schrieb Christopher Ball <cbifi...@gmail.com>:
> 
> I agree with this.  I don't  see a problem with kickstarter links, as long as 
> they aren't  too repetitive and pushy, and they fall within experimental or 
> independent film.   We all have the choice to click on the link or delete it, 
> so unless the listserve gets overwhelmed with kickstarters, I can't see a 
> problem. 
> 
> Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device - via the Rogers 
> Network
> From: jihalp...@gmail.com
> Sent: December 23, 2016 11:51 PM
> To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
> Reply-to: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Feature 16mm FILM Kickstarter
> 
> In most of my experience, the administration of this listserv (by Pip) is 
> fairly hands-off, letting the consensus of the group decide on matters like 
> this. I haven't seen anyone ask specifically about fundraising/kickstarters 
> recently, but when I asked the group prior to launching one for a festival I 
> was working on in 2011, most people were favorable, as long as the projects 
> were likely to be of interest to and supported by most of the community, and 
> as long as the pitches were not of the pushy type.
> 
> Of course, this seems like a collective decision that is always up for 
> revisiting, and we seem to have one vote against so far. I'll chime in to say 
> "OK by me."
> 
> For what it's worth, I've grown to accept these as part of the listserv (I've 
> been a member since about 2002), and usually find them completely benign. 
> Ben's posts have fallen cleanly into this category (for me), since he's just 
> posting a link and some photos, and asking people to check it "if you're into 
> independent film."
> 
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> -Jason Halprin
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[Christopher Ball]

  I agree with this.  I don't  see a problem with kickstarter links, as long as they aren't  too repetitive and pushy, and they fall within experimental or independent film.   We all have the choice to click on the link or delete it, so unless the listserve gets overwhelmed with kickstarters, I can't see a problem. Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device - via the Rogers NetworkFrom: jihalp...@gmail.comSent: December 23, 2016 11:51 PMTo: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.comReply-to: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.comSubject: Re: [Frameworks] Feature 16mm FILM Kickstarter  In most of my experience, the administration of this listserv (by Pip) is fairly hands-off, letting the consensus of the group decide on matters like this. I haven't seen anyone ask specifically about fundraising/kickstarters recently, but when I asked the group prior to launching one for a festival I was working on in 2011, most people were favorable, as long as the projects were likely to be of interest to and supported by most of the community, and as long as the pitches were not of the pushy type.Of course, this seems like a collective decision that is always up for revisiting, and we seem to have one vote against so far. I'll chime in to say "OK by me."For what it's worth, I've grown to accept these as part of the listserv (I've been a member since about 2002), and usually find them completely benign. Ben's posts have fallen cleanly into this category (for me), since he's just posting a link and some photos, and asking people to check it "if you're into independent film."-Jason HalprinJason Halprinjihalp...@gmail.comjasonhalprin.com
 

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[Jason Halprin]

In most of my experience, the administration of this listserv (by Pip) is
fairly hands-off, letting the consensus of the group decide on matters like
this. I haven't seen anyone ask specifically about fundraising/kickstarters
recently, but when I asked the group prior to launching one for a festival
I was working on in 2011, most people were favorable, as long as the
projects were likely to be of interest to and supported by most of the
community, and as long as the pitches were not of the pushy type.

Of course, this seems like a collective decision that is always up for
revisiting, and we seem to have one vote against so far. I'll chime in to
say "OK by me."

For what it's worth, I've grown to accept these as part of the listserv
(I've been a member since about 2002), and usually find them completely
benign. Ben's posts have fallen cleanly into this category (for me), since
he's just posting a link and some photos, and asking people to check it "if
you're into independent film."


-Jason Halprin

Jason Halprin
jihalp...@gmail.com
jasonhalprin.com 

  

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Re: [Frameworks] Feature 16mm FILM Kickstarter

[Ben Winston]

Hey Lady,
I'm just trying to finish my film. I've been on this mailing list for a few
years now and have seen plenty of people ask for donations and help for
their own work. Plenty of kickstarters too. This mailing list (as far as I
know) is for filmmakers to share knowledge and to ask for help from others
who share the same passion as them. If I'm wrong then please delete me from
this list now. I don't see the purpose of getting a ton of emails a day
from other filmmakers in need if I cant even promote myself or my work. So
with that being said... Mind your own business please.
Ben

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 5:59 PM, Sally Cloninger 
wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> *Ben Winston <*sketchybean at gmail.com 
> *> *has been using 
> this listserve for self promotion and fundraising
>
> (kickstarter) for a few months now.  I was surprised that you allow this kind 
> of post and am wondering what your
>
> policy is. I am new to this group but not new to experimental filmmaking by 
> any means.  I would prefer that
>
> these kinds of posts not be a part of this frameworks but I do not know your 
> position as the administrator, so
>
> please educate me.
>
> Thanks for any clarification.  Sally
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> On Dec 22, 2016, at 2:04 PM, Ben Winston  wrote:
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> Hey everyone, I'm trying to raise some money to finish up my film. I only
> have 5 days left on my kickstarter so check it out if you're into
> independent film. It's going to be a good one...
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1126237664/hellbound-a-16mm-film
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[Sally Cloninger]

Hi there,
Ben Winston https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks>> has been using this 
listserve for self promotion and fundraising 
(kickstarter) for a few months now.  I was surprised that you allow this kind 
of post and am wondering what your 
policy is. I am new to this group but not new to experimental filmmaking by any 
means.  I would prefer that 
these kinds of posts not be a part of this frameworks but I do not know your 
position as the administrator, so 
please educate me.  
Thanks for any clarification.  Sally

Sally J. Cloninger, Ph.D.
Filmmaking/Digital Media
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www.inkybinkyfilms.com 
360-789-4440

> On Dec 22, 2016, at 2:04 PM, Ben Winston  wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone, I'm trying to raise some money to finish up my film. I only 
> have 5 days left on my kickstarter so check it out if you're into independent 
> film. It's going to be a good one... 
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1126237664/hellbound-a-16mm-film 
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