Re: [Frameworks] Modern 16mm features, distributed on film
Let's just say $7000 USD to make two prints, adding up the above costs and having someone cut your neg... In the face of this, Roger’s suggestion to project originals doesn’t sound too crazy. It obviously wouldn’t be a practice suitable for all kinds of work but might be interesting to infuse experimental cinema, separate from moving image performance, with a sense of immediacy, improvisation and impermanence via this practice. It’s a different topic but it would be also interesting to discuss artists who have projected originals in a cinema setting (Jack Smith, Nathaniel Dorsky and Jerome Hiler, Fred Camper’s SN, Luther Price), their varying motivations and the longevity—or lack thereof—of this work. Herb Shellenberger Programs Office Manager [cid:image001.jpg@01CE5258.78B1F010] 3701 CHESTNUT STREET | PHILADELPHIA, PA 19104 phone: 215.895.6575 | fax: 215.895.6562 email: he...@ihphilly.orgmailto:he...@ihphilly.org | web: www.ihousephilly.orghttp://www.ihousephilly.org/ From: FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of 40 Frames Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 6:44 PM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Modern 16mm features, distributed on film On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 1:08 PM, John Woods jawood...@yahoo.camailto:jawood...@yahoo.ca wrote: Alain, while I'm primarily interested in experimental or artists films, I'd open up to mainstream films too. I'm more broadly interested in the state of 16mm film as an exhibition format and not necessarily experimental. If Spielberg decided to distribute his latest on 16mm, then that would count. I guess I'm biased in my thinking that a 16mm print nowadays is an indulgence for the creator and few mainstream filmmakers are going to convince their distributor to pick up the bill for the print. 70 minutes x 36ft/min = 2520 feet Optical Track .60/ft x 2520 = $1512 + shipping Answer Print 1.00/ft x 2520 = $2520 + shipping Release Print .70/ft x 2520 = $1764 + shipping Subtotal $5796 Cut your own neg, or add the cost of that as well ($5 per cut). Let say 100 cuts for a nice round number multiplied by an A roll and B roll... $1000 + shipping. Neg cutting will get more expensive as black leader is becoming more expensive. One can A roll, and/or cut their own neg to save cost, but there's still going to be a cost to cutting neg given the supplies needed to cut neg. Let's just say $7000 USD to make two prints, adding up the above costs and having someone cut your neg... A common art theater rental rate in the US is $250 or a certain percentage of the door whichever is greater. Let's assume $250 is better than the percentage. Book 30 screenings and you've made $7500, covering your lab cost for making prints. That's assuming you didn't travel to any of these screenings... and assuming each theater agreed to pay the $250 rental + shipping (both ways)! The film coops and artist-run labs can bring some of these costs down... indeed it might be the only way one can consider going this route, but then you have the issue of 16mm projection That surf film sounds pretty interesting. A throwback to the days of Warren Miller touring his films. The ski/surf/skate genre is in away similar to experimental film. Its a niche audience of practitioners and the films are plot-less compositions of beautiful visuals. I met a guy (this was probably 20 years ago) who was shooting backcountry snowboard films on a Bolex in the British Columbia backcountry. His footage was very nice, though I've always had a difficult time with this style of making, as it's usually is a bunch of shots cut to music. I'd prefer an ambient/location track of some kind, even a non-sync constructed one. I always found these films (ski/snowboard/surf/skate) to be more akin to music videos than experimental films. But still, there are certainly some crossover/similarities, so I would agree with your comment above. I know it was shot on 16mm, but is Jodie Mack's Dusty Stacks of Mom available on 16mm? Thats about 40 minutes. Pam asked the same question, perhaps Jodie can answer as I don't know. Best, Alain -- 40 FRAMES Alain LeTourneau Pam Minty 40 FRAMES 5232 North Williams Avenue Portland, Oregon 97217 USA +1 503 231 6548 www.40frames.orghttp://www.40frames.org www.16mmdirectory.orghttp://www.16mmdirectory.org www.emptyquarterfilm.orghttp://www.emptyquarterfilm.org ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Modern 16mm features, distributed on film
Great to hear of your progress, Amanda! Please say hi next time they invite you back to Toronto! Nicholas On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Amanda Christie ama...@amandadawnchristie.ca wrote: speaking of 16mm films having longer life than 35mm i had been hoping to finish my latest project, Spectres of Shortwave, on 35mm... it's a 2 hour long landscape film of radio towers... but given that i knew it would be at least 2 years in the filming process (as they were tearing down the radio towers and i couldn't rush them, and i wanted all 4 seasons)... and it was right when a lot of labs were closing their 35mm labs and theatres were getting rid of projectors... even though i didn't care about commercial theatres, i was still worried that if i pursued a 35mm finish, that by the time i was ready to finish, that 35mm sound options would have dissappeared, and i would be screwed over by the sound aspect, and have to scan it all and finish digitally anyway... on a tight budget i couldn't afford risking the expense of workprint AND a scan if 35mm sound went bust, so i decided to scan everything 2k and finish to DCP... le sigh I'm at that stage right now... logging and editing... dealing with proxies, codecs, etc. etc while my 35mm intercine sites alone, unused and bereft. i will get this one done... somehow... but i swear... dammit! that my next one will be finished on a print... i bought a 35mm camera while making this one (with everything that was happening so fast in 2011 and 2012 in the industry, and with a project that would involve 2 years of filming... it was cheaper for me to buy than rent, and cameras were going dirt cheap) so i own an arri 35mm bl 4... and my next film will finish to film... and it will be projected... well... wherever there is a 35mm projector. (this is the voice of one frustrated with codecs and proxies) 16mm too... i want some more of that. xoadc On 2014-07-18, at 4:17 PM, John Woods wrote: Thanks for the many replies! I'm primarily interested in films produced in the 2010s. 45+ minutes in length, with an actual 16mm print struck. With the end of 35mm distribution in the past year, I've been wondering about how much longer 16mm prints will stick around. James Benning complained about the poor state of 16mm projection when he finished his last 16mm feature, RR, in 2007 and switched to video. With the abundance of compact projectors, it looks like 16mm prints will have a slightly longer life than 35mm, at least as an artist's medium. There is still a surprising amount of shorts being produced, but a 16mm feature seems like quite a passion project and its looking like Differently, Molussia is the most recent feature. John ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Modern 16mm features, distributed on film
John, if by "mainstream" you mean new release major studio films available for rent on 16mm you could still get about everything in the 90s but things fell off very rapidly after 2000, and by 2006 it was really the end of the road. The last one to be released on 16mm as best as I can tell was "Cars" the animated Disney feature from 2006.Here is the last list of 16mm titles ever available from Swank Motion Pictures: https://web.archive.org/web/20071109223539/http://www.swank.com/college/16mmrelease.html It's worth noting that in the 90s besides Swank and Criterion (which represented the big studios) a lot of indy distributors also offered their films in 16mm. Some included October Films, Samuel Goldwyn, New Yorker, etc. I've often wondered what happened to all those prints. --Ed-Original Message- From: 40 Frames <i...@40frames.org> Sent: Jul 20, 2014 5:44 PM To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Modern 16mm features, distributed on film On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 1:08 PM, John Woods <jawood...@yahoo.ca> wrote: Alain, while I'm primarily interested in experimental or artists films, I'd open up to mainstream films too. I'm more broadly interested in the state of 16mm film as an exhibition format and not necessarily experimental. If Spielberg decided to distribute his latest on 16mm, then that would count. I guess I'm biased in my thinking that a 16mm print nowadays is an indulgence for the creator and few mainstream filmmakers are going to convince their distributor to pick up the bill for the print. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Wow! BATMAN BEGINS in 16mm! On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Ed Inman edin...@earthlink.net wrote: John, if by mainstream you mean new release major studio films available for rent on 16mm you could still get about everything in the 90s but things fell off very rapidly after 2000, and by 2006 it was really the end of the road. The last one to be released on 16mm as best as I can tell was Cars the animated Disney feature from 2006. Here is the last list of 16mm titles ever available from Swank Motion Pictures: https://web.archive.org/web/20071109223539/http://www.swank.com/college/16mmrelease.html It's worth noting that in the 90s besides Swank and Criterion (which represented the big studios) a lot of indy distributors also offered their films in 16mm. Some included October Films, Samuel Goldwyn, New Yorker, etc. I've often wondered what happened to all those prints. --Ed -Original Message- From: 40 Frames Sent: Jul 20, 2014 5:44 PM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Modern 16mm features, distributed on film On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 1:08 PM, John Woods wrote: Alain, while I'm primarily interested in experimental or artists films, I'd open up to mainstream films too. I'm more broadly interested in the state of 16mm film as an exhibition format and not necessarily experimental. If Spielberg decided to distribute his latest on 16mm, then that would count. I guess I'm biased in my thinking that a 16mm print nowadays is an indulgence for the creator and few mainstream filmmakers are going to convince their distributor to pick up the bill for the print. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- Julian Antos Northwest Chicago Film Society www.northwestchicagofilmsociety.org 773 827 8991 ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Modern 16mm features, distributed on film
Differently, Molussia (2012) and Empty Quarter (2011) are the only feature length films that I am aware of that were distributed on 16mm film in the past few years. Does anyone else know of any others? Thank you! ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Didn¹t one by Ben Rivers? On 7/18/14 6:46 AM, Warren Cockerham warrencocker...@gmail.com wrote: Let Each One Go Where He May (2009) - Ben Russell On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 1:50 AM, John Woods jawood...@yahoo.ca wrote: Differently, Molussia (2012) and Empty Quarter (2011) are the only feature length films that I am aware of that were distributed on 16mm film in the past few years. Does anyone else know of any others? Thank you! ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Ben's TWO YEARS AT SEA was shot in 16mm but released in 35mm. pf On Friday, July 18, 2014 11:45 AM, Adam Hyman a...@lafilmforum.org wrote: Re: [Frameworks] Modern 16mm features, distributed on film Didn’t one by Ben Rivers? On 7/18/14 6:46 AM, Warren Cockerham warrencocker...@gmail.com wrote: Let Each One Go Where He May (2009) - Ben Russell On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 1:50 AM, John Woods jawood...@yahoo.ca wrote: Differently, Molussia (2012) and Empty Quarter (2011) are the only feature length films that I am aware of that were distributed on 16mm film in the past few years. Does anyone else know of any others? Thank you! ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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What is the cut off length for feature length? Barbara Stratman's o'er the land is 52 minutes 2009 I projected a 16mm print of it in 2010 and it is gorgeous! http://www.pythagorasfilm.com/oertheland.html Amanda Dawn Christie 506-871-2062 www.amandadawnchristie.ca ama...@amandadawnchristie.ca ___ On 2014-07-18, at 1:22 PM, charlotte Lipman wrote: There are two feature length films by Betzy Bromberg, both distributed on 16mm: Voluptuous Sleep95 min. A Darkness Swallowed75min. Charlotte From: Adam Hyman a...@lafilmforum.org Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Friday, July 18, 2014 9:58 AM To: Patrick Friel , Experimental Film Discussion List patrick.friel@att.netframeworks@jonasmekasfilms.com, Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Modern 16mm features, distributed on film Thank you for the clarification. It still hasn’t played in LA. On 7/18/14 9:53 AM, Patrick Friel patrick.fr...@att.net wrote: Ben's TWO YEARS AT SEA was shot in 16mm but released in 35mm. pf On Friday, July 18, 2014 11:45 AM, Adam Hyman a...@lafilmforum.org wrote: Re: [Frameworks] Modern 16mm features, distributed on film Didn’t one by Ben Rivers? On 7/18/14 6:46 AM, Warren Cockerham warrencocker...@gmail.com wrote: Let Each One Go Where He May (2009) - Ben Russell On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 1:50 AM, John Woods jawood...@yahoo.ca wrote: Differently, Molussia (2012) and Empty Quarter (2011) are the only feature length films that I am aware of that were distributed on 16mm film in the past few years. Does anyone else know of any others? Thank you! ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Some say an hour; some say 40 minutes. Deborah Stratman, not Barbara. Best, Adam On 7/18/14 11:07 AM, Amanda Christie ama...@amandadawnchristie.ca wrote: What is the cut off length for feature length? Barbara Stratman's o'er the land is 52 minutes 2009 I projected a 16mm print of it in 2010 and it is gorgeous! http://www.pythagorasfilm.com/oertheland.html Amanda Dawn Christie 506-871-2062 www.amandadawnchristie.ca http://www.amandadawnchristie.ca ama...@amandadawnchristie.ca ___ On 2014-07-18, at 1:22 PM, charlotte Lipman wrote: There are two feature length films by Betzy Bromberg, both distributed on 16mm: Voluptuous Sleep95 min. A Darkness Swallowed75min. Charlotte From: Adam Hyman a...@lafilmforum.org Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Friday, July 18, 2014 9:58 AM To: Patrick Friel , Experimental Film Discussion List patrick.friel@att.netframeworks@jonasmekasfilms.com, Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Modern 16mm features, distributed on film Re: [Frameworks] Modern 16mm features, distributed on film Thank you for the clarification. It still hasn¹t played in LA. On 7/18/14 9:53 AM, Patrick Friel patrick.fr...@att.net wrote: Ben's TWO YEARS AT SEA was shot in 16mm but released in 35mm. pf On Friday, July 18, 2014 11:45 AM, Adam Hyman a...@lafilmforum.org wrote: Re: [Frameworks] Modern 16mm features, distributed on film Didn¹t one by Ben Rivers? On 7/18/14 6:46 AM, Warren Cockerham warrencocker...@gmail.com wrote: Let Each One Go Where He May (2009) - Ben Russell On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 1:50 AM, John Woods jawood...@yahoo.ca wrote: Differently, Molussia (2012) and Empty Quarter (2011) are the only feature length films that I am aware of that were distributed on 16mm film in the past few years. Does anyone else know of any others? Thank you! ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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oops... my bad with the name... I'm in the midst of too much multi-tasking right now... my subconscious brain somehow conjured up a new filmmaker... an imagined test-tube gene-splicing of Barbara Sternberg and Deborah Stratman into one being... imagine the possibilities! xoadc On 2014-07-18, at 2:45 PM, Adam Hyman wrote: Some say an hour; some say 40 minutes. Deborah Stratman, not Barbara. Best, Adam On 7/18/14 11:07 AM, Amanda Christie ama...@amandadawnchristie.ca wrote: What is the cut off length for feature length? Barbara Stratman's o'er the land is 52 minutes 2009 I projected a 16mm print of it in 2010 and it is gorgeous! http://www.pythagorasfilm.com/oertheland.html Amanda Dawn Christie 506-871-2062 www.amandadawnchristie.ca http://www.amandadawnchristie.ca ama...@amandadawnchristie.ca ___ On 2014-07-18, at 1:22 PM, charlotte Lipman wrote: There are two feature length films by Betzy Bromberg, both distributed on 16mm: Voluptuous Sleep95 min. A Darkness Swallowed75min. Charlotte From: Adam Hyman a...@lafilmforum.org Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Friday, July 18, 2014 9:58 AM To: Patrick Friel , Experimental Film Discussion List patrick.friel@att.netframeworks@jonasmekasfilms.com, Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Modern 16mm features, distributed on film Re: [Frameworks] Modern 16mm features, distributed on film Thank you for the clarification. It still hasn’t played in LA. On 7/18/14 9:53 AM, Patrick Friel patrick.fr...@att.net wrote: Ben's TWO YEARS AT SEA was shot in 16mm but released in 35mm. pf On Friday, July 18, 2014 11:45 AM, Adam Hyman a...@lafilmforum.org wrote: Re: [Frameworks] Modern 16mm features, distributed on film Didn’t one by Ben Rivers? On 7/18/14 6:46 AM, Warren Cockerham warrencocker...@gmail.com wrote: Let Each One Go Where He May (2009) - Ben Russell On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 1:50 AM, John Woods jawood...@yahoo.ca wrote: Differently, Molussia (2012) and Empty Quarter (2011) are the only feature length films that I am aware of that were distributed on 16mm film in the past few years. Does anyone else know of any others? Thank you! ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Modern 16mm features, distributed on film
Hi John, Feature is a somewhat broad term, and speaks more to run time than form/content, but given your examples, I would assume you are asking about experimental features?? The exact run time of a feature also seems to be dictated by market/venue. Some say 40 minutes, some 60, and the industry state side usually says/said 70+ minutes. There was a surf film (*Hangs Upon Nothing*) that was shot on 16mm and distributed as a 16mm print during the last couple years (2013-2014). This is obviously pretty rare. Shooting on 16mm is not uncommon for ski, snowboard, skate and surf films, but in recent years even shooting on 16mm has become less common, coinciding with the appearance of RED and GoPro cameras. I'm glad to see Charlotte mentioned Betzy's recent work (*Voluptuous Sleep* I have yet to see), as well as Amanda's mention of Barbara Sternberg (*In The Nature of Things*, 44 minutes) whose longer form work, I feel, is some of her best. On the shorter side of features, there is Thom Anderson's *Get Out of the Car* (2010, 34 minutes), which I believe exists as a 16mm print? Has any of Kevin Jerome Everson's recent work (*Quality Control, The Island of St Mathews*) been distributed as 16mm? In addition to *Molussia*, maybe Pip has other examples of recent European work? Adam Sekuler watched a lot of films come through NWFF in recent years (before his departure), and might also have some additional examples. Alain On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 11:50 PM, John Woods jawood...@yahoo.ca wrote: Differently, Molussia (2012) and Empty Quarter (2011) are the only feature length films that I am aware of that were distributed on 16mm film in the past few years. Does anyone else know of any others? Thank you! ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- 40 FRAMES Alain LeTourneau Pam Minty 40 FRAMES 5232 North Williams Avenue Portland, Oregon 97217 USA +1 503 231 6548 www.40frames.org www.16mmdirectory.org www.emptyquarterfilm.org ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Yeah, Meek's is 35mm, shot 1.37 in super 35. Alain On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Julian Antos jul...@northwestchicagofilmsociety.org wrote: MEEK'S CUTOFF was shot and released on 35mm, through a fairly major studio (a personal favorite, and the prints looked great!). There have been several independent and mainstream features shot on 16mm and super 16 in the last couple years but these were all blown up to 35 (via 2K DIs). On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Abigail Severance bellec...@mac.com wrote: There have maybe been more than one thinks, particularly if we include independent narrative films in addition to avant grade work. I believe Lukas Moodysson's CONTAINER was exhibited on 16mm. I suppose Kelly Reichardt's MEEK'S CUTOFF was released digitally even though it was shot on standard 16mm, but I'm not certain. *** Abigail Severance 310-508-0352 abigailseverance.com On Jul 18, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Dave Tetzlaff djte...@gmail.com wrote: Fotopoulus? ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- Julian Antos Northwest Chicago Film Society www.northwestchicagofilmsociety.org 773 827 8991 ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- 40 FRAMES Alain LeTourneau Pam Minty 40 FRAMES 5232 North Williams Avenue Portland, Oregon 97217 USA +1 503 231 6548 www.40frames.org www.16mmdirectory.org www.emptyquarterfilm.org ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
