Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation
It all starts with your original footage. DO NOT SKIMP ON IT!!! Get the best images you can. Use the finist grain film you can. If you plan on using black screen for your mattes, I would suggest using the alternate frontlit/backlit system, where you shoot one frame lit normally, then the next frame (without moving anything or changing the camera settings) backlit to provide the black matte, then get the roll skip printed; Frame 1 on roll A, Frame 2 on roll B, Frame 3 on roll A, etc. (Bluescreen was invented so mattes could be made without this step and cut out one generation print). You gain a generation, but the mattes are much more accurate. My $0.02. - Original Message - From: ben.weinst...@mindspring.com To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:04 AM Subject: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation Hey just wanted to get some advice for doing some very complicated special FX on 16mm film. I am going to be making a space pirates claymation film in the near future and I want to do some very complicated optical printing and rotoscoping FX shots. I know that CRI film stock no longer exists but i am going to be filming model spaceships in front of a black or bluescreen and I want to know what is the best way to go about this without getting any generation loss on my film. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation
Yeah, the computers that control Optical Printers, they're pretty gay aren't they. Ben Sounds like a very interesting project and I commend you for working on 16mm but curious what's gay about using a computer? Sounds like something quite negative since its something you refuse to do? I've just never heard someone refer to using computers as gay. I personally love 16mm and have made several films in that format. I can also see why computers can be so detesting to celluloid lovers but have a hard time understanding why that term was used. It would sound pretty bad if someone said I refuse to do this on a computer because that's so girly or sissy or that's so black. That would sound pretty sexist or racist, no? I just wanted to leave you with some food for thought. Sonali On Aug 22, 2012, at 2:04 AM, ben.weinst...@mindspring.com wrote: Hey just wanted to get some advice for doing some very complicated special FX on 16mm film. I am going to be making a space pirates claymation film in the near future and I want to do some very complicated optical printing and rotoscoping FX shots. I know that CRI film stock no longer exists but i am going to be filming model spaceships in front of a black or bluescreen and I want to know what is the best way to go about this without getting any generation loss on my film. I will have to combine many layers of film on an optical printer and then I will also have to rotoscope in lazer beams and stuff like that so how would I go about that without making my FX shots look super grainy? I refuse to do this on a computer because thats gay so any advice would be much appreciated. I think i will be doin this all in the bay area so anyone who wants to help out should do so because its going to take a lot of work and I think it could be really sick if we do it right. If none of this is possible then I am going to quit filmmaking and cut my lines so tell me what I got to do so I can make this movie great. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation
I appreciate that. Sorry been shotgunning a lot of beers. -Original Message- From: graeme hogg graemeh...@irational.org Sent: Aug 22, 2012 9:00 AM To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation Yeah, the computers that control Optical Printers, they're pretty gay aren't they. Ben Sounds like a very interesting project and I commend you for working on 16mm but curious what's gay about using a computer? Sounds like something quite negative since its something you refuse to do? I've just never heard someone refer to using computers as gay. I personally love 16mm and have made several films in that format. I can also see why computers can be so detesting to celluloid lovers but have a hard time understanding why that term was used. It would sound pretty bad if someone said I refuse to do this on a computer because that's so girly or sissy or that's so black. That would sound pretty sexist or racist, no? I just wanted to leave you with some food for thought. Sonali On Aug 22, 2012, at 2:04 AM, ben.weinst...@mindspring.com wrote: Hey just wanted to get some advice for doing some very complicated special FX on 16mm film. I am going to be making a space pirates claymation film in the near future and I want to do some very complicated optical printing and rotoscoping FX shots. I know that CRI film stock no longer exists but i am going to be filming model spaceships in front of a black or bluescreen and I want to know what is the best way to go about this without getting any generation loss on my film. I will have to combine many layers of film on an optical printer and then I will also have to rotoscope in lazer beams and stuff like that so how would I go about that without making my FX shots look super grainy? I refuse to do this on a computer because thats gay so any advice would be much appreciated. I think i will be doin this all in the bay area so anyone who wants to help out should do so because its going to take a lot of work and I think it could be really sick if we do it right. If none of this is possible then I am going to quit filmmaking and cut my lines so tell me what I got to do so I can make this movie great. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation
My computer isn't gay, but it/she/v/he IS transitioning genders, which makes it hard for her/shim/him to know what public bathroom to use day to day. That's so trans. _ Abigail Severance Los Angeles On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:00 AM, graeme hogg wrote: Yeah, the computers that control Optical Printers, they're pretty gay aren't they. Ben Sounds like a very interesting project and I commend you for working on 16mm but curious what's gay about using a computer? Sounds like something quite negative since its something you refuse to do? I've just never heard someone refer to using computers as gay. I personally love 16mm and have made several films in that format. I can also see why computers can be so detesting to celluloid lovers but have a hard time understanding why that term was used. It would sound pretty bad if someone said I refuse to do this on a computer because that's so girly or sissy or that's so black. That would sound pretty sexist or racist, no? I just wanted to leave you with some food for thought. Sonali On Aug 22, 2012, at 2:04 AM, ben.weinst...@mindspring.com wrote: Hey just wanted to get some advice for doing some very complicated special FX on 16mm film. I am going to be making a space pirates claymation film in the near future and I want to do some very complicated optical printing and rotoscoping FX shots. I know that CRI film stock no longer exists but i am going to be filming model spaceships in front of a black or bluescreen and I want to know what is the best way to go about this without getting any generation loss on my film. I will have to combine many layers of film on an optical printer and then I will also have to rotoscope in lazer beams and stuff like that so how would I go about that without making my FX shots look super grainy? I refuse to do this on a computer because thats gay so any advice would be much appreciated. I think i will be doin this all in the bay area so anyone who wants to help out should do so because its going to take a lot of work and I think it could be really sick if we do it right. If none of this is possible then I am going to quit filmmaking and cut my lines so tell me what I got to do so I can make this movie great. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation
My computer's gay and stupid and I hate it evenmore than I hate myself. Btw does anyone have angel dust? -Original Message- From: Abigail Severance <bellec...@mac.com>Sent: Aug 22, 2012 3:28 PM To: Experimental Film Discussion List <FRAMEWORKS@JONASMEKASFILMS.COM>Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation My computer isn't gay, but it/she/v/he IS transitioning genders, which makes it hard for her/shim/him to know what public bathroom to use day to day. That's so trans. _ Abigail Severance Los Angeles On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:00 AM, graeme hogg wrote: Yeah, the computers that control Optical Printers, they're pretty gay aren't they. Ben Sounds like a very interesting project and I commend you for working on 16mm but curious what's "gay" about using a computer? Sounds like something quite negative since its something you refuse to do? I've just never heard someone refer to using computers as "gay". I personally love 16mm and have made several films in that format. I can also see why computers can be so detesting to celluloid lovers but have a hard time understanding why that term was used. It would sound pretty bad if someone said "I refuse to do this on a computer because that's so girly or sissy or that's so black". That would sound pretty sexist or racist, no? I just wanted to leave you with some food for thought. Sonali On Aug 22, 2012, at 2:04 AM, ben.weinst...@mindspring.com wrote: Hey just wanted to get some advice for doing some very complicated special FX on 16mm film. I am going to be making a space pirates claymation film in the near future and I want to do some very complicated optical printing and rotoscoping FX shots. I know that CRI film stock no longer exists but i am going to be filming model spaceships in front of a black or bluescreen and I want to know what is the best way to go about this without getting any generation loss on my film. I will have to combine many layers of film on an optical printer and then I will also have to rotoscope in lazer beams and stuff like that so how would I go about that without making my FX shots look super grainy? I refuse to do this on a computer because thats gay so any advice would be much appreciated. I think i will be doin this all in the bay area so anyone who wants to help out should do so because its going to take a lot of work and I think it could be really sick if we do it right. If none of this is possible then I am going to quit filmmaking and cut my lines so tell me what I got to do so I can make this movie great.___FrameWorks mailing listFrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.comhttps://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
