Re: allBSD's Stop the Blob Campaign

2007-03-17 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Jona Joachim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I heard of the Stop the Blob campaign led by allBSD [1] today.
 The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means that the
 FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign.

I don't see a FreeBSD logo there.  All I see is the BSD daemon, which
is a common mascot for all BSD derivatives.  The FreeBSD logo is here:
URL:http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html

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Re: allBSD's Stop the Blob Campaign

2007-03-17 Thread Jona Joachim
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:14:32 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) wrote:

 Jona Joachim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  I heard of the Stop the Blob campaign led by allBSD [1] today.
  The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means that the
  FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign.
 
 I don't see a FreeBSD logo there.  All I see is the BSD daemon, which
 is a common mascot for all BSD derivatives.  The FreeBSD logo is here:
 URL:http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html

You have to scroll to the bottom of the flyer. I hope this is not too
much of an effort.
http://misc.allbsd.de/Kampagnen/NoBlob/NoBlob-en-Poster.jpg

Jona

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Re: allBSD's Stop the Blob Campaign

2007-03-17 Thread Jan Husar

Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:

Jona Joachim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Jona Joachim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I heard of the Stop the Blob campaign led by allBSD [1] today.
The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means that the
FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign.

I don't see a FreeBSD logo there.  All I see is the BSD daemon,
which is a common mascot for all BSD derivatives.  The FreeBSD
logo is here: URL:http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html

You have to scroll to the bottom of the flyer. I hope this is not
too much of an effort.
http://misc.allbsd.de/Kampagnen/NoBlob/NoBlob-en-Poster.jpg


OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I expect AllBSD will be
hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers...



What this suppose to mean?
Allbsd is doing a pretty awesome job!


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Re: allBSD's Stop the Blob Campaign

2007-03-17 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Jan Husar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I expect AllBSD will be
  hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers...
 What this suppose to mean?  Allbsd is doing a pretty awesome job!

No matter how good a job they do, they still have to follow the law.

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Re: allBSD's Stop the Blob Campaign

2007-03-17 Thread Jan Husar

Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:

Jan Husar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I expect AllBSD will be
hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers...

What this suppose to mean?  Allbsd is doing a pretty awesome job!


No matter how good a job they do, they still have to follow the law.



Definetly, but:

Over the years as I'm working as full time opensource activist mostly 
involved with the community and government/educational sector I must 
say, the main reason we are so effective and deployable is we are able 
to cooperate over any communication method know to man.


Which means, if I see action somewhere benefiting us as a whole, I'm 
going to support it, because in the end it does support and help me and 
my projects.


If allbsd did something wrong, we should be able to discuss is and 
possible fix or try to find a solution, not spaming about lawyers.
As a community, we suffer enough, should we have some enemy within and 
fight a guerilla warfare? When the BSD have enough problems already?


Jan


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Re: allBSD's Stop the Blob Campaign

2007-03-17 Thread Jona Joachim
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:25:21 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) wrote:

 Jona Joachim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   Jona Joachim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I heard of the Stop the Blob campaign led by allBSD [1] today.
The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means that the
FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign.
   I don't see a FreeBSD logo there.  All I see is the BSD daemon,
   which is a common mascot for all BSD derivatives.  The FreeBSD
   logo is here: URL:http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html
  You have to scroll to the bottom of the flyer. I hope this is not
  too much of an effort.
  http://misc.allbsd.de/Kampagnen/NoBlob/NoBlob-en-Poster.jpg
 
 OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I expect AllBSD will be
 hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers...

Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project leaders didn't know that our
logo was used for this campaign?
Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project encourages blobs?

Jona


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Re: allBSD's Stop the Blob Campaign

2007-03-17 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Jona Joachim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I expect AllBSD will be
  hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers...
 Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project leaders didn't know that our
 logo was used for this campaign?
 Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project encourages blobs?

It means that the matter is now in the hands of those who are
qualified to handle it.

As for the FreeBSD Project's stance on closed-source drivers, I will
let the source tree speak for itself:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~% find /sys/contrib -name \*.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/nve/amd64/nvenetlib.o.bz2.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/nve/i386/nvenetlib.o.bz2.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/oltr/i386-elf.trlld.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/arm9-le-thumb-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/armv4-be-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/armv4-le-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/i386-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips-be-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips-le-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips1-be-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips1-le-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mipsisa32-be-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mipsisa32-le-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/powerpc-be-eabi.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/powerpc-le-eabi.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/sh4-le-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/x86_64-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/xscale-be-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/xscale-le-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/alpha-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/powerpc-be-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/sparc64-be-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap30.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap43.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap51.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap61.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/sparc-be-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ipw/ipw2100-1.3-i.fw.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ipw/ipw2100-1.3-p.fw.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ipw/ipw2100-1.3.fw.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/iwi/ipw2200-bss.fw.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/iwi/ipw2200-ibss.fw.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/iwi/ipw2200-sniffer.fw.uu

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Re: allBSD's Stop the Blob Campaign

2007-03-17 Thread Jona Joachim
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:47:46 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) wrote:

 Jan Husar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I expect AllBSD will be
   hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers...
  What this suppose to mean?  Allbsd is doing a pretty awesome job!
 
 No matter how good a job they do, they still have to follow the law.

What makes you say they violated the law? I'm quite sure some people of
the FreeBSD Foundation were shown this before it was made public.

Jona

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Re: allBSD's Stop the Blob Campaign

2007-03-17 Thread Jona Joachim
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:05:32 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) wrote:

 Jona Joachim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I expect AllBSD will be
   hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers...
  Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project leaders didn't know that our
  logo was used for this campaign?
  Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project encourages blobs?
 
 It means that the matter is now in the hands of those who are
 qualified to handle it.
 
 As for the FreeBSD Project's stance on closed-source drivers, I will
 let the source tree speak for itself:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~% find /sys/contrib -name \*.uu
snip listing of binaries

How about porting OpenHAL to FreeBSD?

Jona

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I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists
build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns
laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you
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