Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
On Sun, Aug 22, 1999 at 05:02:00PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Ollivier Robert wrote: That very important... The screensaver triggered me to see the movie again. A. I love it. Yeah, it's gotta be the perfect hacker's movie. Sneakers is always fun. :) -d -- dannyman - http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
On Fri 1999-08-27 (10:25), Nick Hibma wrote: I seriously doubt they'll win this lawsuit. You can sue someone for anything and everything, including having a hair color which ^ in the States Or if you're a US company. Wasn't it (the Irish?) McMuffin which Mcdonalds sued for name infringment? Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
I seriously doubt they'll win this lawsuit. You can sue someone for anything and everything, including having a hair color which ^ in the States Sorry, I've lived in Europe, you can't pull that one on me. :) In Germany, for example, it's possible to sue someone simply for sticking their finger against their forehead. The myth that only the U.S. is litigious is just that, a myth. Europeans sue the crap out of one another all the time, and for issues just as silly. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
In message 8062.935743977@localhost, "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: I seriously doubt they'll win this lawsuit. You can sue someone for anything and everything, including having a hair color which ^ in the States Sorry, I've lived in Europe, you can't pull that one on me. :) In Germany, for example, it's possible to sue someone simply for sticking their finger against their forehead. The myth that only the U.S. is litigious is just that, a myth. Europeans sue the crap out of one another all the time, and for issues just as silly. :) Jordan, I've lived in the US, Luxembourg, Italy and Denmark. While it is true that anyone can sue anybody else for anything they feel like all over the planet, the likely (lack of) outcome in europe makes it far less likely that they will do so in the first place. The main difference as far as I can tell, is that European courts apply some kind of "common sense" criteria before they award huge compensations to people who burn themselves on coffee, cut their fingers off with chain saws and so on: "Should this person not be realizing that coffee could be hot ? She has been drinking coffee for the last 50+ years ?" "If you use a chainsaw, shouldn't you be smart enough to realize that you cannot stop the chain with your hand ?" etc etc. The secondary difference is that in all the countries I know, they lawyer has to state his fee before the verdict, and it may not depend on the outcome of the verdict. The third difference is that we only use jurys in murder cases, we fully realize the ability of a showman-laywer to sway a jury, therefore we don't use them, unless the issue is the gravest crime we know off. Fourth, "puntative damages" fall to the state over here, so the potential for getting rich that way is simply not present. So while you're technically correct reality looks far different. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The third difference is that we only use jurys in murder cases, we fully realize the ability of a showman-laywer to sway a jury, therefore we don't use them, unless the issue is the gravest crime we know off. That doesn't seem quite valid, it shouldn't be considered a good thing if a "showman-lawyer" (on either side) is permitted to sway a jury for a murder-trial. Of course this is getting off topic, or have there been any FreeBSD-current related homicides that I haven't heard about? ;--) Have there even been any actual trials directly related to FreeBSD? To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ville-Pertti Keinonen writes: Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The third difference is that we only use jurys in murder cases, we fully realize the ability of a showman-laywer to sway a jury, therefore we don't use them, unless the issue is the gravest crime we know off. That doesn't seem quite valid, it shouldn't be considered a good thing if a "showman-lawyer" (on either side) is permitted to sway a jury for a murder-trial. I didn't say I agreed, I merely pointed out that we had limited the problem significantly. In Denmark a couple of interesting cases over the last five years have putj the use of a jury for even murder cases in the limelight. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
Hi, On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Peter Wemm wrote: Maybe we *should* go approach the producers? I have gone to that movie several times, and I keep on enjoying it, so this is GOOD PR for them. Tell them there will be a reference to the movie web site or something. ;-) Actually the FreeBSD site already has a reference to them (they used an CG Render Farm of 32 Dual processor FreeBSD systems): http://www.freebsd.ady.ro/news/press-rel-1.html Read all about it ! ;-) Cheers, -Peter Take care, Ady (@freebsd.ady.ro) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
Hi again, http://www.freebsd.ady.ro/news/press-rel-1.html Whoops, that should have been http://www.freebsd.org/news/press-rel-1.html for all you fellows out there (the former is my local mirror)... Ady (@freebsd.ady.ro) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
On 27 Aug 1999, Ville-Pertti Keinonen wrote: Of course this is getting off topic, or have there been any FreeBSD-current related homicides that I haven't heard about? ;--) Have there even been any actual trials directly related to FreeBSD? There was a signup sheet going around at the last 'Brucified Anonymous' meeting, but I guess that never materialized. :- -- - bill fumerola - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: I'm sorry you got so beaten up over this one. All due respect to the contributors aside, I think we have too many old women around here, all shrieking and holding up their skirts at the rumor of a mouse somewhere in the building. :) As I said, I'm done with the subject. it's on my web page on freefall. Anyone wishing to do something with it can grab it and do whatever he wants (within terms of BSD license). Andrzej Bialecki // [EMAIL PROTECTED] WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // --- // -- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org // --- Small Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
In message 15454.935598612@localhost "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: : I think people are being almost clinically paranoid here. Hasbro and : folks got upset over TRADEMARK infringement, e.g. from using a name : they had trademarked. I rather doubt that Warner Bros. have managed : to trademark the name "matrix" since it's already a common english : word. "Boggle" and "Tetris" don't fall into that category. Hasbro has sued the owners of Clue.com (Clue Computing) for trademark infringement. clue is a word from the dictionary... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
But it's not going into the tree, no. I think Kevin's point and the experiences we had with Hasbro should already have convinced people of that much. I think people are being almost clinically paranoid here. Hasbro and folks got upset over TRADEMARK infringement, e.g. from using a name they had trademarked. I rather doubt that Warner Bros. have managed to trademark the name "matrix" since it's already a common english word. "Boggle" and "Tetris" don't fall into that category. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
But it's not going into the tree, no. I think Kevin's point and the experiences we had with Hasbro should already have convinced people of that much. I think people are being almost clinically paranoid here. Hasbro and folks got upset over TRADEMARK infringement, e.g. from using a name they had trademarked. I rather doubt that Warner Bros. have managed to trademark the name "matrix" since it's already a common english word. "Boggle" and "Tetris" don't fall into that category. The issue with boggle and tetris wasn't the name, it was "look and feel". That's the same issue here; the "matrix" screensaver mimics the "distinctive likeness" of a portion of WB's entertainment product, and being a screensaver (rather than, say, a car component) it's also an "entertainment product". -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] \\-- Joseph Merrick \\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
The issue with boggle and tetris wasn't the name, it was "look and feel". No, it was the name. Believe me, I read the letters we got from their lawyers. :) Unless we produce a movie with the name "Matrix" somewhere in it, I doubt we're going to be in the same boat. Hasbro objected to our having a game in /usr/games called boggle and the Tetris folks objected to the use of the name. Other folks chose to rename their tetris clones to "tertis" and made the Tetris folks perfectly happy in so doing, even though the look-and-feel of the game remained completely unchanged. You are trying to apply rules of logic to this. This is a legal issue. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
Kevin Day wrote: ... If this is distributed as a fan based thing, the worst they'd likely do is say "Take it down.". If this is on thousands of FreeBSD cd's, it could become a financial problem if they want to take it far enough. This is just my opinion though, and not to be used as legal advice for anyone. I just don't want FreeBSD to become a ball of intellectual property infringements. :) Let me retract the Ghost in the Shell statement. I just checked, and my memory played tricks on me. It was a different letter effect. :-) Andrzej, can you somehow turn it into a parody? If you can make it into a parody, then it's legal. -- Daniel C. Sobral(8-DCS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Come on. - Where are we going? - To get what you came for. - What's that? - Me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
Kevin Day wrote: ... If this is distributed as a fan based thing, the worst they'd likely do is say "Take it down.". If this is on thousands of FreeBSD cd's, it could become a financial problem if they want to take it far enough. This is just my opinion though, and not to be used as legal advice for anyone. I just don't want FreeBSD to become a ball of intellectual property infringements. :) Let me retract the Ghost in the Shell statement. I just checked, and my memory played tricks on me. It was a different letter effect. :-) Andrzej, can you somehow turn it into a parody? If you can make it into a parody, then it's legal. Just make it a port, for crap's sake, and distribute it from Poland. By the time WB's American lawyers work out where you are on the map, the statute of limitations will have expired and you'll be fine. But it's not going into the tree, no. I think Kevin's point and the experiences we had with Hasbro should already have convinced people of that much. -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] \\-- Joseph Merrick \\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: Let me retract the Ghost in the Shell statement. I just checked, and my memory played tricks on me. It was a different letter effect. :-) Andrzej, can you somehow turn it into a parody? If you can make it into a parody, then it's legal. I can't think of any... What could be funny in such primitive effect anyway? Besides, I'm not that sure I want to spend more time on that. Feel Parody doesn't hve to be funny. free to hack it, guys, if you like it - it's BSD license, you know... Make the falling letters black (on black background) and we will put up a patch in numerous free web directories that makes the letters visible again. 8-) Andrzej Bialecki // [EMAIL PROTECTED] WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // --- // -- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org // --- Small Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ Sander There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future - all these are just illusions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
As Mike Smith wrote ... Kevin Day wrote: This is just my opinion though, and not to be used as legal advice for anyone. I just don't want FreeBSD to become a ball of intellectual property infringements. :) Let me retract the Ghost in the Shell statement. I just checked, and my memory played tricks on me. It was a different letter effect. :-) Andrzej, can you somehow turn it into a parody? If you can make it into a parody, then it's legal. Just make it a port, for crap's sake, and distribute it from Poland. By the time WB's American lawyers work out where you are on the map, the statute of limitations will have expired and you'll be fine. But it's not going into the tree, no. I think Kevin's point and the experiences we had with Hasbro should already have convinced people of that much. Hear hear! I sat astounded, 'nailed' to my chair over all the excitement a mere screen saver can generate. Yes, I've seen The Matrix, no, I have not tried the screensaver. But it escapes me why one would like to import something into the mainline source tree that might attract undesirable legal attention (isn't all legal att. undesirable? ;-) to the project. Especially when everybody who really can't live without it has grabbed it from some ftp-server already. Amen, Wilko -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands- Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) BulteWWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
Anyway, this module was meant more as a joke, but if you guys like it so much you could vote for putting it in the tree... It's extremely small, so why not? Got my vote. :-) Yes, you have my 7 votes as well (my department thinks it is cool as well. Or at least that is what I think they will think, so I vote for them :-). Cheers, Nick -- e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
On Sat, 21 Aug 1999, Kevin Day wrote: A Anyway, this module was meant more as a joke, but if you guys like it so much you could vote for putting it in the tree... What do you mean "vote"? I was waiting for it to show up on my tree after a cvsup! I hate to keep bringing things like this up, or start a legal war, but this screensaver is more than likely a copyright and/or trademark violation, and bringing it into the source tree may not be a good idea. Yes, lots of people may be making things like this, but it would probably be best to distance FreeBSD itself from such a thing. You can trademark the title "The Matrix", but you can't trademark a common word "matrix". That's the only word I use for the name of the module. As Daniel mentioned, they even can't claim that it's their idea. So I think I can pretty safely import it. Andrzej Bialecki // [EMAIL PROTECTED] WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // --- // -- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org // --- Small Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 1999, Kevin Day wrote: I hate to keep bringing things like this up, or start a legal war, but this screensaver is more than likely a copyright and/or trademark violation, and bringing it into the source tree may not be a good idea. Yes, lots of people may be making things like this, but it would probably be best to distance FreeBSD itself from such a thing. You can trademark the title "The Matrix", but you can't trademark a common word "matrix". That's the only word I use for the name of the module. As Daniel mentioned, they even can't claim that it's their idea. So I think I can pretty safely import it. If we wanted to be legally paranoid we would call it the "letter" saver and add as the comment the words "Falling letters like in the movie with red bills" Andrzej Bialecki // [EMAIL PROTECTED] WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // --- // -- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org // --- Small Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ Sander There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future - all these are just illusions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 1999, Kevin Day wrote: I hate to keep bringing things like this up, or start a legal war, but this screensaver is more than likely a copyright and/or trademark violation, and bringing it into the source tree may not be a good idea. Yes, lots of people may be making things like this, but it would probably be best to distance FreeBSD itself from such a thing. You can trademark the title "The Matrix", but you can't trademark a common word "matrix". That's the only word I use for the name of the module. As Daniel mentioned, they even can't claim that it's their idea. So I think I can pretty safely import it. If we wanted to be legally paranoid we would call it the "letter" saver and add as the comment the words It's not just the name "Matrix" though. Make a screen saver of the Superman 'S' logo, and see how quickly a certain comic book company comes after you. :) Making a derivative work based on something that was in a movie probably is a copyright violation. Warner Brothers could easily say that you've copied an element from their movie (even if it's not the entire movie), and even go so far as to get a judge to get any CD-ROM distributors of FreeBSD to recall all unsold CD's, and destroy them. As for the trademark issue, it doesn't have to be a name to be trademarked. Logos, effects, and even sounds can be trademarked. I'm really not trying to be annoying about things like this, but I already had to fight for the ability to be able to use FreeBSD at work, after they discovered other copyright/trademark violations in the source tree.. (Trek, etc). "If they'll steal things here, how do we know the entire kernel isn't stolen from somewhere else?" Yes, it's silly logic, but they do sort of have a point. We're selling a product with FreeBSD embedded in it. Should some copyright/patent holder come up proving that the VM system is his, and FreeBSD stole it from him, they could legally force us to recall every machine we've sold, and replace it with non-infringing materials. Obviously we're not shipping 'trek' on our system, and wouldn't include the matrix saver anyway, but I (for completely selfish reasons) would like to keep FreeBSD distanced from anything that could possibly be infringing on anything, and let you download it from somewhere else if you want it. :) Kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
At 06:44 PM 8/22/99 +0200, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Kevin Day wrote: [trademark violation warning] Ok, maybe you have a point - I dont know, I'm not a lawyer. But with this line of reasoning they could claim that anything using falling letters effect on your screen partly violates they trademarked special effect, which is silly. What can we do, then? Why don't we ask them politely if it's ok? Andrzej Bialecki While I can't speak for how Warner Brothers' lawyers are, as a general rule.. "It's much easier to say No, than it is to say Yes, and regret it later." If you ask, you'll probably get a No. It's not that you made a falling letter effect, it's that you made a falling letter effect to copy the effect in the movie, and it does look very much like what's in the movie. That could be called willful infringement. While I doubt they'd stop a fan from making something like this, (I don't know this for a fact though, see what Paramount did with Trek sites before, or Mattel with Barbie) they may be more led to taking action against a product being sold that contains it. (FreeBSD being sold by Walnut Creek and others). If this is distributed as a fan based thing, the worst they'd likely do is say "Take it down.". If this is on thousands of FreeBSD cd's, it could become a financial problem if they want to take it far enough. This is just my opinion though, and not to be used as legal advice for anyone. I just don't want FreeBSD to become a ball of intellectual property infringements. :) Kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Kevin Day wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 1999, Kevin Day wrote: I hate to keep bringing things like this up, or start a legal war, but this screensaver is more than likely a copyright and/or trademark violation, and bringing it into the source tree may not be a good idea. Yes, lots of people may be making things like this, but it would probably be best to distance FreeBSD itself from such a thing. You can trademark the title "The Matrix", but you can't trademark a common word "matrix". That's the only word I use for the name of the module. As Daniel mentioned, they even can't claim that it's their idea. So I think I can pretty safely import it. If we wanted to be legally paranoid we would call it the "letter" saver and add as the comment the words It's not just the name "Matrix" though. Make a screen saver of the Superman 'S' logo, and see how quickly a certain comic book company comes after you. The "S" logo? We are not dealing with the "S" logo, we are dealing with a screensaver that displays an ordinary rotation S on the screen. :) Making a derivative work based on something that was in a movie probably is a copyright violation. Warner Brothers could easily say that you've Is it derived from the movie? Says who? It rather reminds me of an old virus that made letters fall on the screen... copied an element from their movie (even if it's not the entire movie), and even go so far as to get a judge to get any CD-ROM distributors of FreeBSD to recall all unsold CD's, and destroy them. As for the trademark issue, it doesn't have to be a name to be trademarked. Logos, effects, and even sounds can be trademarked. Uhhh Depends on where. Sounds can't be trademarked everywhere. I'm really not trying to be annoying about things like this, but I already had to fight for the ability to be able to use FreeBSD at work, after they discovered other copyright/trademark violations in the source tree.. (Trek, etc). "If they'll steal things here, how do we know the entire kernel isn't They aren't violations until the judge says so. If it is not true in the legalsystem you are in, I suggest moving to another one. stolen from somewhere else?" Yes, it's silly logic, but they do sort of have a point. We're selling a product with FreeBSD embedded in it. Should some copyright/patent holder come up proving that the VM system is his, and FreeBSD stole it from him, they could legally force us to recall every machine we've sold, and replace it with non-infringing materials. Obviously we're not shipping 'trek' on our system, and wouldn't include the matrix saver anyway, but I (for completely selfish reasons) would like to keep FreeBSD distanced from anything that could possibly be infringing on anything, and let you download it from somewhere else if you want it. :) Kevin Sander There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future - all these are just illusions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
According to Narvi: "Falling letters like in the movie with red bills" Pill :) That very important... The screensaver triggered me to see the movie again. A. I love it. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- [EMAIL PROTECTED] FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #73: Sat Jul 31 15:36:05 CEST 1999 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Ollivier Robert wrote: According to Narvi: "Falling letters like in the movie with red bills" Pill :) That very important... The screensaver triggered me to see the movie again. A. I love it. Yeah, it's gotta be the perfect hacker's movie. Maybe we *should* go approach the producers? I have gone to that movie several times, and I keep on enjoying it, so this is GOOD PR for them. +--- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data [EMAIL PROTECTED] | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current. (301) 220-2114 | +--- To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
Maybe we *should* go approach the producers? I have gone to that movie several times, and I keep on enjoying it, so this is GOOD PR for them. Tell them there will be a reference to the movie web site or something. ;-) Or tell them that the URL to the website appears once in a while in the mishmash, sublimal advertisements. Just make sure you speak to the marketing drones at that point :-) Nick -- e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
On Sun, Aug 22, 1999 at 11:46:14PM +0200, Nick Hibma wrote: Tell them there will be a reference to the movie web site or something. ;-) Or tell them that the URL to the website appears once in a while in the mishmash, sublimal advertisements. Just make sure you speak to the marketing drones at that point :-) and also ask them for a little donation? : bye -- Sebastian Soenksen ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; diz@IRCNet ; pgpkey available commercial use of emailadresse not allowed ; http://www.planlos.hanse.de/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Ollivier Robert wrote: According to Narvi: "Falling letters like in the movie with red bills" Pill :) That very important... The screensaver triggered me to see the movie again. A. I love it. Yeah, it's gotta be the perfect hacker's movie. Maybe we *should* go approach the producers? I have gone to that movie several times, and I keep on enjoying it, so this is GOOD PR for them. Good idea, the approach for approval to distrubute this presented to the marketing department has a strong leverage on the legal department, in that they can't just take the easy road of saying ``no'' when the marketing department is going ``yes, yes.. this would be good for revenue''. -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX - (RWG25)[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Ollivier Robert wrote: According to Narvi: "Falling letters like in the movie with red bills" Pill :) That very important... The screensaver triggered me to see the movie again. A. I love it. Yeah, it's gotta be the perfect hacker's movie. Maybe we *should* go approach the producers? I have gone to that movie several times, and I keep on enjoying it, so this is GOOD PR for them. Good idea, the approach for approval to distrubute this presented to the marketing department has a strong leverage on the legal department, in that they can't just take the easy road of saying ``no'' when the marketing department is going ``yes, yes.. this would be good for revenue''. OK, then, I'll do it "with unofficial but general approval of many FreeBSDers" (which is what I'll tell the folks). Too bad I don't live in LA anymore, I used to know the right folks to go to. +--- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data [EMAIL PROTECTED] | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current. (301) 220-2114 | +--- To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 07:34:31PM +0200, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: Both versions are available at: http://www.freebsd.org/~abial/matrix_3.2.tgz http://www.freebsd.org/~abial/matrix_4.0.tgz I knew I should have taken the blue pill. FWIW, there are at least two other 'matrix' implementations out there. One is part of xscreensaver, and is quite nice -- it's even better if you halve the size of the image it's using first. This has the advantage that the characters actually look like the ones in the film (reversed numbers and Japanese katana (sp?) characters). That one's (obviously) X only. The other is 'cmatrix'. A web search should turn it up. As the name implies, this is a console version. N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
At 10:26 AM 8/21/99 +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 07:34:31PM +0200, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: Both versions are available at: http://www.freebsd.org/~abial/matrix_3.2.tgz http://www.freebsd.org/~abial/matrix_4.0.tgz FWIW, there are at least two other 'matrix' implementations out there. One is part of xscreensaver, and is quite nice -- it's even better if you halve the size of the image it's using first. This has the advantage that the characters actually look like the ones in the film (reversed numbers and Japanese katana (sp?) characters). That one's (obviously) X only. The other is 'cmatrix'. A web search should turn it up. As the name implies, this is a console version. For those of you using Windows or MacOs http://www.whatisthematrix.com/cmp/screensaver_index.html That's the 'official' screen saver. (The Windows version uses some kind of runtime ShockWave and eats nearly 100% cpu, but it looks authentic) Kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 08:10:51PM -0400, Keith Stevenson wrote: On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 04:11:42PM -0600, Oscar Bonilla wrote: then xlock already includes a module for this... I'm using it on my laptop.. ... ahh. ... Meanwhile I've updated my xlock to xlockmore-4.14 including 'the matrix'. I'm rather disappointed. a) it crawls like a dog without legs :( (especially on my 1600x1200 screen) I like Andrzej's module a _lot_ better than the xlock module. It looks (IMO) more like the screen from the movie and doesn't eat all of my CPU cycles. b) I second this. -ab -- : Anti-Spam Petition: http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/: : PGP-Key:http://www.tse-online.de/~ab/public-key: : Key fingerprint: 12 13 EF BC 22 DD F4 B6 3C 25 C9 06 DC D3 45 9B : To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
Andrzej Bialecki wrote: Hi, Due to unexpected demand . . . Ok, I have to say that pretty much rocks. :) Any chance of making an X version of this? The guy in the cube across from mine and I are both big science fiction fans, and he would turn *cough* green with envy . . . Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: Anyway, this module was meant more as a joke, but if you guys like it so much you could vote for putting it in the tree... It's extremely small, so why not? Got my vote. :-) -- Chris Dillon - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For Intel x86 and Alpha architectures (SPARC under development). ( http://www.freebsd.org ) "One should admire Windows users. It takes a great deal of courage to trust Windows with your data." To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
Kevin Day wrote: A Anyway, this module was meant more as a joke, but if you guys like it so much you could vote for putting it in the tree... What do you mean "vote"? I was waiting for it to show up on my tree after a cvsup! I hate to keep bringing things like this up, or start a legal war, but this screensaver is more than likely a copyright and/or trademark violation, and bringing it into the source tree may not be a good idea. Yes, lots of people may be making things like this, but it would probably be best to distance FreeBSD itself from such a thing. MMmm... not sure... First, it is not an exact copy. Second, it has no mention of trademarked names. Third, The Matrix took it's idea from Ghost in the Shell in first place. -- Daniel C. Sobral(8-DCS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Come on. - Where are we going? - To get what you came for. - What's that? - Me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
oh THAT screen... quite a giggle.. On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: Hi, Due to unexpected demand (I did it mostly as a distraction from real work), I backported this screensaver to 3.2-RELEASE (don't know about STABLE), and corrected some inconsistencies. I added also binary versions to the archives. Both versions are available at: http://www.freebsd.org/~abial/matrix_3.2.tgz http://www.freebsd.org/~abial/matrix_4.0.tgz Have fun... Andrzej Bialecki // [EMAIL PROTECTED] WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // --- // -- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org // --- Small Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Julian Elischer wrote: oh THAT screen... quite a giggle.. c'mon, you didn't expect me to put an intro scene from the movie, did you? Yeah, that's something - MPEG screensaver... only a few GB. I need to think about it. 8-)) Andrzej Bialecki // [EMAIL PROTECTED] WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // --- // -- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org // --- Small Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: c'mon, you didn't expect me to put an intro scene from the movie, did you? Yeah, that's something - MPEG screensaver... only a few GB. I need to think about it. I wonder where in phk's rules for binary files in the tree that would fall. Just make sure to uuencode the mpeg first. : -- - bill fumerola - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Nick Hibma wrote: oh THAT screen... quite a giggle.. Have you seen the source ... very neat and short. Pitty that it consumes 2% intr time. Oh, there is still much room for improvement here... if there is any interest, that is. :-) Andrzej Bialecki // [EMAIL PROTECTED] WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // --- // -- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org // --- Small Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: Hi, Due to unexpected demand (I did it mostly as a distraction from real work), I backported this screensaver to 3.2-RELEASE (don't know about STABLE), and corrected some inconsistencies. I added also binary versions to the archives. LOL! I love that! Good work. :) - kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
oh THAT screen... quite a giggle.. Have you seen the source ... very neat and short. Pitty that it consumes 2% intr time. Oh, there is still much room for improvement here... if there is any interest, that is. :-) Like rewriting the syscons driver again, to make your 10 line screensaver faster, yeah right. This ain't Linux. Nick -- e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
Hi, On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 07:34:31PM +0200, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: Due to unexpected demand (I did it mostly as a distraction from real work), I backported this screensaver to 3.2-RELEASE (don't know about ... I saw the announcement for the first release, realised that it's only for -current; went home, tested it on my personal -current machine and instantly wondered how many messages about a port to -stable you might had got already. I decided to just let the others do the begging ;))) What a pity, that our servers are running on those smallish gray-scale 9" screens. And what a pity for 'Chuck' being banned from our consoles ...;) What about a xlock-more module? Thank's alot for the amusement ... -Andreas -- : Anti-Spam Petition: http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/: : PGP-Key:http://www.tse-online.de/~ab/public-key: : Key fingerprint: 12 13 EF BC 22 DD F4 B6 3C 25 C9 06 DC D3 45 9B : To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 11:50:25PM +0200, Andreas Braukmann wrote: Hi, On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 07:34:31PM +0200, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: Due to unexpected demand (I did it mostly as a distraction from real work), I backported this screensaver to 3.2-RELEASE (don't know about ... I saw the announcement for the first release, realised that it's only for -current; went home, tested it on my personal -current machine and instantly wondered how many messages about a port to -stable you might had got already. I decided to just let the others do the begging ;))) What a pity, that our servers are running on those smallish gray-scale 9" screens. And what a pity for 'Chuck' being banned from our consoles ...;) What about a xlock-more module? Thank's alot for the amusement ... I haven't seen Andrzej's screensaver, but if it is about those green letters that fall from the top of the screen (aka the matrix) then xlock already includes a module for this... I'm using it on my laptop.. regards, -Oscar -- For PGP Public Key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 04:11:42PM -0600, Oscar Bonilla wrote: I haven't seen Andrzej's screensaver, but if it is about those green letters that fall from the top of the screen (aka the matrix) then xlock already includes a module for this... I'm using it on my laptop.. I like Andrzej's module a _lot_ better than the xlock module. It looks (IMO) more like the screen from the movie and doesn't eat all of my CPU cycles. --Keith Stevenson-- -- Keith Stevenson System Programmer - Data Center Services - University of Louisville [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key fingerprint = 4B 29 A8 95 A8 82 EA A2 29 CE 68 DE FC EE B6 A0 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: The Matrix screensaver, v.0.2
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Keith Stevenson wrote: On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 04:11:42PM -0600, Oscar Bonilla wrote: I haven't seen Andrzej's screensaver, but if it is about those green letters that fall from the top of the screen (aka the matrix) then xlock already includes a module for this... I'm using it on my laptop.. I like Andrzej's module a _lot_ better than the xlock module. It looks (IMO) more like the screen from the movie and doesn't eat all of my CPU cycles. --Keith Stevenson-- Agreed, my friends (who were much larger fans of the movie then I (they've seen it multiple times and I've only seen it once)) were shocked (actually outright amazed in awe) when I showed them it. Now all I have to do is find that perfect looking blond from reading the code... ;) - kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
