Turck MMCache to eaccelerator
Hi, Seems that now Turck MMCache is now eaccelerator, since development of the former was stopped and someone forked. I read UPDATING and didn't find any info on this. What's the correct way of upgrading to this? I only found out because I ran portversion and it says: turck-mmcache-2.4.6 succeeds port (port has 0.9.2a) Vonleigh Simmons http://illusionart.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Make fails because of missing library but I can see it's there, why???
Hi, This always happens to me whenever I'm compiling third party applications. Make fails because it says that it cannot find a certain library.. and when I try to search for that file, I usually finds it. For example, I'm compiling, nagios-plugins but it fails with this error messages: check_ldap.c:31:18: lber.h: No such file or directory check_ldap.c:32:18: ldap.h: No such file or directory but when I run: # find / -name ldap.h -print /usr/lib/ldap.h /usr/local/lib/ldap.h /usr/local/include/ldap.h noc# find / -name lber.h -print /usr/lib/lber.h /usr/local/lib/lber.h /usr/local/include/lber.h See.. it's all there! I'm thinking perhaps there's a way for me to tell a compiler that the system wide library files are found in that certain directory. Any idea?? Thanks! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 09 February 2005 07:09 pm, - wrote: http://www.petitiononline.com/fbsdmsc1/petition.html Julien Gabel wrote: See the thread The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition for the new logo design. in -advocacy - I've already replied with my views on the subject, along the same lines as your comments. I'm not subscribed to -advocacy can you provide me with an archive link to this thread in question? I wasn't able to find it based on the subject you provided. You can follow this post at: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2005-February/ I have been watching the fallout regarding this issue on both the advocacy and questions email lists. It is clear from the advocacy list, that the announcement was made prematurely and did not convey the intended message either clearly or completely. That is true. It is clear from reading both lists that much of the anger is based upon false assumptions, misinformation and incomplete editing of the leaked document. Sorry, but that is false. Much of the anger is based on Robert Watson (and whatever other core members are arguing with him over this) not IMMEDIATELY becoming completely forthright with the FreeBSD community as soon as the leak occurred. I am deeply concerned with what I see going on here. Since when has the FreeBSD Project had secret information of a sales and marketing nature? This is a brand new one to me. I can condone secrets in the area of leaglities - such as back in the bad old days when UCB was sued by USL, there were many secrets, a few that I and some others were able to ferret out but still many buried, and still some people under gag orders. But there has never before in the entire history of the FreeBSD Project been a situation where sales and marketing information has been considered secret Sure, BSDI operated like this - but they were not part of the FreeBSD Project. And, I am also concerned about the historical revisionists who are claiming FreeBSD never had a logo. That is hogwash. Nobody ever said that FreeBSD lacked a logo until after a few days ago when this ill-conceived competition was leaked - because everyone knew the logo was Beastie. Yes I understand that some commercial consultants and such have had problems due to the logo being a devil image. But if Robert Watson had wanted to respond to this then he should have brought it up for discussion with the userbase immediately, not sneaked around talking to his cronies at Apple Computer, trying to figure out how to push this off onto the userbase in a way that people wouldn't object to doing so. This logo competition is childish - 99% of the FreeBSD community members are not graphic artists and couldn't draw their way out of a paper bag - such a competition does not have as it's goal that of obtaining an image, it's only goal is assuaging pissed off people by pretending that they have a hand in the decision. I (just a user) ask that the petition effort be delayed until the official announcement is made and the issues can be drawn out and discussed more clearly. No, sorry. The core team apparently feels that the way to do things now is to made decisions of this nature first, then have discussion later, rather than the reverse which previously has been the case. Therefore if they are going to play it like this, then all users who disagree with this idea should do exactly as they are doing. In short, we have made our decision we don't want to see beastie removed from logo status, and we will be happy to discuss it after we have made up our minds, just like the core team seems happy to discuss their decision to jettison beastie as the logo, after having made up their minds to do so. I personally might have supported a logo change if the core team had started tossing around the idea in the mailing lists FIRST in an informal basis. And I will also say that when I worked with Addison Wesley back in 2000 for the cover art for my book, I did consider this as an issue that might possibly impact sales of my book. However I decided that I would be willing to take the financial impact on a personal basis of losing a few sales to people who are so blinded by their idea of religion that they wouldn't touch a book with an image of a devil on the cover - because the FreeBSD devil image has a historical significance to FreeBSD that is important. After all, in my book I am asking people to put aside their concerns that FreeBSD is a non-commercial operating system, and run it on their production business systems. I would be a hipocrite of the worst kind if I were to have not put aside my concerns that the Beastie image was unacceptable to businesses. However, as the core team as apparently represented by R Watson has stated they want to consider this internally first, then just tell the userbase what they are going to do later on, I say screw you, and I'll argue and fight against this
Re: jail manpage
On Feb 10, 2005, at 12:50 AM, r p wrote: On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:12:06 -0600, Josh Paetzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been trying get jails working on my 5.3-RELEASE-p2 machine. I've tried following the instructions in man 8 jail D=/here/is/the/jail cd /usr/src mkdir -p $D make world DESTDIR=$D cd etc make distribution DESTDIR=$D mount_devfs devfs $D/dev cd $D ln -sf dev/null kernel It dies at make world DESTDIR=$D with the following error: cc -0 -pipe -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/legacy/usr/include c/usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c make: don't know how to make /jail/test/usr/lib/libc.a. Stop ***Error code 2 Stopping /usr/src Hi, I had the same problem. Googling showd me to use the line env DESTDIR=$D make world instead of make world DESTDIR=$D. After I did this it all worked fine. Hmm, I will have to try that. I posted this same problem a few days ago. Never did get an answer, though I figured out a solution myself. This problem actually goes back to when 5.3 first came out. There was a problem and the fix got committed to the -STABLE branch but it appears it never got into the -RELEASE branch. I went to 5.3-RELEASE-p5 about a week ago and had a similar or same problem as the OP. My solution was to take the Makefile and Makefile.inc from the root of the source directory from a -STABLE src tree and stick them in my -RELEASE source tree. That allowed me to build fine and the jails work just fine. Of course, this is not the best solution. Chad ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 02/09/05 09:45 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC sat at the `puter and typed: Yes, but business is why Microsoft Windows (*) sucks old rocks. Microsoft is in business to make money, not better software. I was always under the impression that while the FreeBSD foundation was in business to promote FreeBSD, the chief focus of the core team has always been a better OS. Keeping Beastie is a statement of sorts that the FreeBSD team is NOT interested in business, just their work. Once upon a time, a geek could get by with their idiosyncrasies because they were obviously not interested in the power points that the businessmen and politicians wanted. They were only interested in their gadgetry, software, and whatever cool new technology came along. Now, one by one, everyone's worried about business like images, logos, and whatnot. Hi Louis, Yep, I was wondering how long it would take before someone figured this one out. We know the real rea$on$ that this logo change is being contemplated, don't we. You may be right, but I still strongly (but respectfully) disagree. And I strongly disagree without any respect. Respectful disagreement is one of the power points that the businessmen and politicians want, it has never been a geek idiosyncracy. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!
Ted Mittelstaedt writes: And, I am also concerned about the historical revisionists who are claiming FreeBSD never had a logo. That is hogwash. Where can I see the logo? Nobody ever said that FreeBSD lacked a logo until after a few days ago when this ill-conceived competition was leaked - because everyone knew the logo was Beastie. That's not a logo. Just about every image I've seen of Beastie has been different, so it's not a logo, it's a character associated with the brand (like Mickey Mouse). Logos are simple and instantly recognizable; they do not mutate from one presentation to the next. Most open-source projects don't have logos; even Linux lacks a proper logo (one could probably be made from the popular penguin character, but I haven't seen any examples). Red Hat, however, _does_ have a logo. Yes I understand that some commercial consultants and such have had problems due to the logo being a devil image. Logos need to be as neutral as possible, since they will be very widely used and very heavily imprinted in customers' minds. They must not conjure up thoughts of anything except the brand they represent. This logo competition is childish - 99% of the FreeBSD community members are not graphic artists and couldn't draw their way out of a paper bag ... That's why I figured I'd try my hand at it; see http://perso.wanadoo.fr/anthony.atkielski/FreeBSDLogo1.jpg It meets the technical criteria for a logo; the aesthetic aspect is an open question. This logo concept uses ITC Garamond Bold (traditionally associated with FreeBSD and the BSDs generally) as the typeface for the logotype, thus retaining a link with prior generations of BSD (and showing kinship with other versions of BSD, such as NetBSD). I've adjusted the spacing of the logotype to tighten up the characters a bit. The squared oval surrounding the logotype represents continuous operation. The figure at the lower right is both a heart (representing the fondness that FreeBSD users have for the operating system) and, in conjunction with the oval, a symbolic pointed tail--an indirect reference to the original Beastie. The gold color for the oval represents reliability; the red color of the rest of logo again is an indirect reference to the original (red) Beastie. The simplicity of the logo makes it inexpensive to print on paper (it can be printed monochrome or with simple two-color offset, or with process offset). There are no complex halftones or shadings or fine details that might be difficult to print or might become muddy or fuzzy when resizing the logo for display. The spot colors used are Pantone 144 CVU (gold) and Pantone 187 CVU (red). These can be easily converted to CMYK, RGB, grayscale, etc., as required. However I decided that I would be willing to take the financial impact on a personal basis of losing a few sales to people who are so blinded by their idea of religion that they wouldn't touch a book with an image of a devil on the cover - because the FreeBSD devil image has a historical significance to FreeBSD that is important. Actually, I think the devil aspect has little impact on public perception of FreeBSD. It's having a cute little cartoon mascot in sneakers that has the real impact--it implies that FreeBSD is a toy for kids, not a serious product for professionals and corporations. A more serious image of Beastie should be considered for these venues. And in any case, this mascot is distinct from a logo. The image used on your book is not a logo. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!
Ted Mittelstaedt writes: Yep, I was wondering how long it would take before someone figured this one out. We know the real rea$on$ that this logo change is being contemplated, don't we. Personally, I wonder how FreeBSD survives based exclusively on volunteer efforts. It's a noble idea, but in the real world, things cost money, and people need to earn a living. Something that survives exclusively from the kindness of strangers leads a fragile existence. FreeBSD has a large following and seems reasonably stable, but when something is a volunteer effort, the larger the following, the better. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!
Anthony Atkielski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050210 20:34]: Ted Mittelstaedt writes: Yep, I was wondering how long it would take before someone figured this one out. We know the real rea$on$ that this logo change is being contemplated, don't we. Personally, I wonder how FreeBSD survives based exclusively on volunteer efforts. It's a noble idea, but in the real world, things cost money, and people need to earn a living. Something that survives exclusively from the kindness of strangers leads a fragile existence. FreeBSD has a large following and seems reasonably stable, but when something is a volunteer effort, the larger the following, the better. Netcraft confirms it: FreeBSD is dying! I'd rather see effort towards some of the really *stupid* bugs in 5.x that languish for months with a fix included. Like linux-pango being broken, meaning that by default you can't actually run a lot of recent Linux binaries (a Thunderbird nightly got me on that one). Or /etc/fstab allowing msdos as a disk type but fsck not, and the fsck refusing to accept the fix despite the system inconsistency. *Stupid* little things like that are actually the most distressing thing about 5.x - I use FreeBSD because it mostly does The Right Thing. - d. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logo Contest
Am 10.02.2005 um 10:20 schrieb Anthony Atkielski: Joshua Tinnin writes: I don't think that a logo makes or breaks deals, but from a public relations and marketing standpoint a good logo is extremely useful, and the lack of a logo (or a very busy logo that's hard to use and recognize) can be a liability. I agree. I even would bring back the issue of a separate freebsd.com website presenting the business case of FreeBSD while freebsd.org is perfect as it is now for people looking for technical information about how to use the system. Stephan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!
David Gerard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050210 20:41]: I'd rather see effort towards some of the really *stupid* bugs in 5.x that languish for months with a fix included. Like linux-pango being broken, meaning that by default you can't actually run a lot of recent Linux binaries (a Thunderbird nightly got me on that one). Or /etc/fstab allowing msdos as a disk type but fsck not, and the fsck refusing to accept the fix despite the system inconsistency. *Stupid* little things like that are actually the most distressing thing about 5.x - I use FreeBSD because it mostly does The Right Thing. I meant, of course, the fsck.c maintainer. I certainly do not wish to call someone a fsck ;-) and apologise for any offence given! If the new logo doesn't have horns then it will be prima facie evidence that FreeBSD has been taken over by fsckwits. - d. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question
.:PBS:. Medik wrote: I installed my copy of 4.6.2 cleanly on a machine, to avoid having to find myself looking for more ports and programs to install I did a complete installation without bothering with the configuration of Xwindows ( as I will be accessing this box from SSH on a windows machine) so I don't need the XFREE86 or however its called, hehe. So in essence this is all being fine tuned by remote on LAN. First, 4.6 is depreciated, since you are starting on a clean install, I suggest you start with a current release such as 4.11 or 5.3. For ease of future upgrade, I suggest 5.3. Get the first iso, no need for the rest. Second, you might find yourself installing a few times before you get it right. Not that you get it wrong at first, but your needs might need to clear up. A full install is not recommended, you will get a system that requires more work to update. A minimal is better, since you can always add stuff as you need. Dependencies are resolved automatically if you use the ports. For a workstation I choose X-Developer, for a server, no X. To answer your question about whether I'm downloading .iso, no I did that for the first copy of the OS only and made a cd copy from windows yes. But all further ports I grab are *.tar.gz straight from Apache.org yes and then ftp'd into my bsd box. I can unzip them fine then I'm stuck with the tar to which I believe I 'untared' it correctly that now I have an apache_1.3.33 folder, which to me seems fine, but I don't believe I put it in the right directory tree. It sounds like you are not installing from ports, this explains why apache fails to compile. You should get the ports tree in /usr/ports, then # cd /usr/ports/www/apache13 # make # make install if you get an error, retry and you can catch all the output using script: # script apache_build.log # make # exit see if you can locate the problem if not copy the relevant part of the output when asking here. cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sendmail masquerading configuration
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:21, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ruben de Groot
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:47 AM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
Cc: Ian Moore; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Sendmail masquerading configuration
X-Authentication-Warning: myhost.foo.bar: root set sender to
someuser using -f
Sorry, but this simply isn't true. I have just tested this. Warnings
like this might get generated when you remove root from the
TRUSTED_USERS macro; *NOT* when you remove it from EXPOSED_USERS.
Your right, me bad!
It also makes it harder to troubleshoot when someone external to
your system is sending bogus junk to you.
I agree. As I said in the part of my message you snipped:
BTW, I agree that masquerading is NOT the proper way to do
these things.
And while it's not applicable now, with older versions of sendmail
this would definitely break all your scripts that used e-mail.
Use of the -f flag is what he needs to do.
Fine. But the OP's problem concerned mail send by cron. How would you
instruct cron to use the -f flag? (There's a MAILTO environment
variable in cron, but no MAILFROM)
I would probably install src/usr.sbin/ and recompile cron to use
the -f flag. The flags are settible in cron/config.h in the source,
FreeBSD uses
#define MAILARGS %s -FCronDaemon -odi -oem -oi -t /*-*/
just change this to
#define MAILARGS %s -FCronDaemon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -odi -oem -oi -t
/*-*/
Ted
Thanks, I'll give that a go.
BTW, using C{E} instead if C{E}root plus the MASQUERADE_AS macro doesn't seem
to work. I didn't try the MASQUERADE_ENVELOPE macro with it though.
Actually, even sending mail as my own local user on the system ends up with
the hostname added in. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong.
Anyway, from what you've both said, rebuilding cron sounds like a better
solution. Once I've modified the source, do I just do a make install from
the /usr/src/usr.sbin/cron directory?
Cheers,
--
Ian
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Apache2 with worker MPM on 5.3
Hello! We are running a fairly busy website with Apache 2.0.52. At times a lot of httpd processes gather up and consume all the available memory, which slows down web access. Apache2 was installed from ports and defaulted to prefork MPM. I read from the Apache performance tuning document that worker MPM may perform better on busy websites and has smaller memory footprint. Is it safe to run Apache2 with worker MPM on FreeBSD 5.3? There must be a reason why prefork is the default... -- Toomas Aas |arvutivõrgu peaspetsialist | head specialist on computer networks| |Tartu Linnakantselei | Tartu City Office | - +372 736 1274 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchasNetBSD!!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted Mittelstaedt writes: And, I am also concerned about the historical revisionists who are claiming FreeBSD never had a logo. That is hogwash. Where can I see the logo? On the cover of any FreeBSD CDROM purchased from Walnut Creek. However, use of the devil image associated with UNIX predates this by nearly 2 decades. Nobody ever said that FreeBSD lacked a logo until after a few days ago when this ill-conceived competition was leaked - because everyone knew the logo was Beastie. That's not a logo. Just about every image I've seen of Beastie has been different, so it's not a logo, it's a character associated with the brand (like Mickey Mouse). Logos are simple and instantly recognizable; they do not mutate from one presentation to the next. The logo image that uses Beastie first appeared on the FreeBSD 1.1 cdrom and was used as a logo in the bottom of every single Walnut Creek CDROM including the ones that came out after BSDI bought them, except it didn't appear on the 2.0 CDROM case. That is the most recognizable logo, and even today appears on the top of the FreeBSD website, to the right of the name FreeBSD. The logo has switched direction a few times. The original WC drawing had him looking left, most WC pressings have him looking left in the logo but a few have him looking right. The images of Beastie on the WC cd's that are in the main part of the CD have changed quite a bit, of course. This is the actual logo of FreeBSD and for years was used, it is still the most recognizable as the logo by the userbase. Most open-source projects don't have logos; even Linux lacks a proper logo (one could probably be made from the popular penguin character, but I haven't seen any examples). Red Hat, however, _does_ have a logo. And this is relevant, how exactly? Yes I understand that some commercial consultants and such have had problems due to the logo being a devil image. Logos need to be as neutral as possible, since they will be very widely used and very heavily imprinted in customers' minds. They must not conjure up thoughts of anything except the brand they represent. You mean like the ATT Death Star. That must be why they aren't doing so well lately. har har. This is YOUR interpretation of a logo. And I have as a matter of fact seen the one you drew that you posted a link to before you responded here so if that is your idea of how a logo should be drawn I think I know what you mean. Perhaps you are aware that fashions in logos come and go - word logos are very common these days, they didn't used to be however. Frankly though the finer points of what typeface and colors are used are utterly lost on most people. I personally find word logos to be very boring. From a business sense they are not very smart because if the business is ever sold, then the acquiring business jettisons all of the name recognition and imprinting you are talking about when they change the name. I wonder if perhaps the reason word logos are popular is due to the egos of the company founders - probably as little boys they were the ones that could pee their names in the snow. This logo competition is childish - 99% of the FreeBSD community members are not graphic artists and couldn't draw their way out of a paper bag ... That's why I figured I'd try my hand at it; see http://perso.wanadoo.fr/anthony.atkielski/FreeBSDLogo1.jpg If you pitched the heart (Valentines day must be on your mind) and made a real honest to God devils tail instead, it might have a shot in the competition. It meets the technical criteria for a logo; the aesthetic aspect is an open question. This logo concept uses ITC Garamond Bold And who do we have to pay royalties to or buy that font from? Actually, I think the devil aspect has little impact on public perception of FreeBSD. It's having a cute little cartoon mascot in sneakers that has the real impact--it implies that FreeBSD is a toy for kids, not a serious product for professionals and corporations. A more serious image of Beastie should be considered for these venues. And in any case, this mascot is distinct from a logo. The image used on your book is not a logo. I didn't say that -that- image was a logo nor did I say I was using the FreeBSD logo on the cover of my book - I said I was using the FreeBSD devil image. And if you look again at the book cover you might note that the computer behind Beastie somewhat resembles a PDP. Use of a beastie likeness in artwork does not necessairly assume the use of the beastie logo. As my book was not a product of the Project, it wouldn't have been strictly accurate to use the Project's logo. However, the red devil usage with UNIX predates FreeBSD by many years, and they wern't wearing sneakers on the cover of the UCB UNIX manuals. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
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Hi there! I would to know if i can install the last relase of freeBSD on my computer. It's an acer travelmate 201t(It's old i know), celeron 600, 320Mb RAM, HD 4.7Gb. Can I have problems with KDE (I' ve already had with Mandrake 10...)?!? There is a way to fix these problems (I see the screen only during the install phase (with graphics), then at the reboot the screen becomes black)... I hope there will be no problems with freeBSD. Thank You Leandro ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchasNetBSD!!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted Mittelstaedt writes: Yep, I was wondering how long it would take before someone figured this one out. We know the real rea$on$ that this logo change is being contemplated, don't we. Personally, I wonder how FreeBSD survives based exclusively on volunteer efforts. It's a noble idea, but in the real world, things cost money, and people need to earn a living. Something that survives exclusively from the kindness of strangers leads a fragile existence. FreeBSD has a large following and seems reasonably stable, but when something is a volunteer effort, the larger the following, the better. This depends on your definition of survival. As long as FreeBSD runs on some hardware, and people still use it, it's surviving. The only real issue I see to FreeBSD's survival that requires corporate attention is device drivers for new hardware. And this is an issue that harms all operating systems even Windows. There are just as many older versions of Windows being made unrunnable by new hardware that lacks drivers for it, as BSD versions. but beyond this, the computer industry itself is in a real growth slump anyway. The 8080 IBM PCjr architecture is still at the core of new PC hardware. What growth we are seeing is the increasing commoditization of hardware. Unfortunately this is stunting the introduction of newer and possibly better ways to build a computer, all it does is just make the hardware cheaper and cheaper, and less and less innovative. (not that I'm complaining about the cheaper part, of course) Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Logo Contest
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 10.02.2005 um 10:20 schrieb Anthony Atkielski: Joshua Tinnin writes: I don't think that a logo makes or breaks deals, but from a public relations and marketing standpoint a good logo is extremely useful, and the lack of a logo (or a very busy logo that's hard to use and recognize) can be a liability. I agree. I even would bring back the issue of a separate freebsd.com website presenting the business case of FreeBSD while freebsd.org is perfect as it is now for people looking for technical information about how to use the system. That is what sendmail did and I think it works very well. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sendmail masquerading configuration
Ian Moore wrote:
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:21, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ruben de
Groot Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:47 AM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
Cc: Ian Moore; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Sendmail masquerading configuration
X-Authentication-Warning: myhost.foo.bar: root set sender to
someuser using -f
Sorry, but this simply isn't true. I have just tested this. Warnings
like this might get generated when you remove root from the
TRUSTED_USERS macro; *NOT* when you remove it from EXPOSED_USERS.
Your right, me bad!
It also makes it harder to troubleshoot when someone external to
your system is sending bogus junk to you.
I agree. As I said in the part of my message you snipped:
BTW, I agree that masquerading is NOT the proper way to do these
things.
And while it's not applicable now, with older versions of sendmail
this would definitely break all your scripts that used e-mail.
Use of the -f flag is what he needs to do.
Fine. But the OP's problem concerned mail send by cron. How would
you instruct cron to use the -f flag? (There's a MAILTO environment
variable in cron, but no MAILFROM)
I would probably install src/usr.sbin/ and recompile cron to use
the -f flag. The flags are settible in cron/config.h in the source,
FreeBSD uses
#define MAILARGS %s -FCronDaemon -odi -oem -oi -t /*-*/
just change this to
#define MAILARGS %s -FCronDaemon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -odi -oem -oi
-t /*-*/
Ted
Thanks, I'll give that a go.
BTW, using C{E} instead if C{E}root plus the MASQUERADE_AS
macro doesn't seem
to work. I didn't try the MASQUERADE_ENVELOPE macro with it though.
Actually, even sending mail as my own local user on the system
ends up with
the hostname added in. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong.
Anyway, from what you've both said, rebuilding cron sounds
like a better
solution. Once I've modified the source, do I just do a make install
from the /usr/src/usr.sbin/cron directory?
It would be better to mv the existing cron binary to cron.backup, then
copy the cron binary from the build directory. No point in changing
anything else, the binary is the only thing that changes.
Ted
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RE: Logo Contest
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: I agree. I even would bring back the issue of a separate freebsd.com website presenting the business case of FreeBSD while freebsd.org is perfect as it is now for people looking for technical information about how to use the system. That is what sendmail did and I think it works very well. dave:~ [72]% whois freebsd.com Whois Server Version 1.3 Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information. Domain Name: FREEBSD.COM Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC. Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com Name Server: FINKPLOYD.NRG4U.COM Name Server: SNATCH.Z0RG.ORG Name Server: C00L3R.NETWORX.CH Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK Updated Date: 03-jan-2005 Creation Date: 22-mar-1998 Expiration Date: 21-mar-2008 -- Dave ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Memory problems
thanks, but the problem is that it's using and even when i kill process the memory usage remains ontouched and swap never been free. On Fri, 2005-02-04 at 07:06 -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote: Luís Vitório Cargnini [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Solve what? Nothing you've mentioned is a problem. See the FAQ entry Why does top show very little free memory even when I have very few programs running?: http://www.br.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#TOP-FREEMEM -- Thanks Regards Luís Vitório Cargnini Bsc. Computer Science signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Business Information.
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:35:55 +0100, Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Astrodog writes: Assuming its not being done already, I'd like to start putting together the business information regarding FreeBSD for either the FreeBSD.com, or somesuch website with the assistance, and (I hope) blessing, as it were, with people on the list. I determined that if I'm unwilling to do this myself, it is unreasonable to expect others to do the footwork. Please let me know if someone else already does this, and if not, who would be interested in contributing to such a project. I can contribute DTP work. I have a full suite of professional electronic publishing tools and can prepare things like books, brochures, leaflets, etc., that might be useful for promotional use. Not being a marketroid, I'm not necessarily qualified to write the content (although I can certainly help with that if needed), but I can massage it all into page layouts that can be converted to PDFs and professionally printed. (I can't cover the physical printing myself, though, as actually printing the documents costs more than I can afford). If you're going to pitch FreeBSD to corporations and other serious organizations, you need some sort of promotional literature. Preparing PDFs for printing or display is delicate work; and Microsoft Word or StarOffice are not the tools for doing it, sorry. -- Anthony I'm definitly(sp) with you on the tools for creating PDFs and printed materials. Making a StarOffice/Word document look right for publication is a pain. Thanks for the rapid response, interest, and volunteering. --- Harrison Grundy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can I... (sure can!)
What up, Leandro... This aint Mandrake, and you'll have to learn how a real OS works, but I'd be pretty shocked to learn that it wouldn't work on your system. :) HTH, and good luck taming the beast! :) Mike Hi there! I would to know if i can install the last relase of freeBSD on my computer. It's an acer travelmate 201t(It's old i know), celeron 600, 320Mb RAM, HD 4.7Gb. Can I have problems with KDE (I' ve already had with Mandrake 10...)?!? There is a way to fix these problems (I see the screen only during the install phase (with graphics), then at the reboot the screen becomes black)... I hope there will be no problems with freeBSD. Thank You Leandro ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeBSD Logo Context (baka context)
Is this true? Who had this stupid idea (with all my respect), but we can't be forcecd to change our logo just because religious guys have fear of the logo, our logo is the best on entire world, look the new netbsd logo FreeBSD (or whatever) is for geeks and nerds and Computer Scientist If this logo change i will change to Linux because even when HP and IBM think that Tux is to silly they DON'T CHANGED, to satisfy some silly jurke. Please the entire list forgive me, but i'm sick because this daemons of stupidity discussing bull-shit when we have more important things. http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9660 For who like the logo, help to save him: http://www.petitiononline.com/fbsdmsc1/petition.html -- Thanks Regards Luís Vitório Cargnini Msc.,Bsc. Computer Science signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: FreeBSD Logo Context (baka context)
Luís Vitório Cargnini ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050210 23:02]: For who like the logo, help to save him: http://www.petitiononline.com/fbsdmsc1/petition.html Argh. What idjit made that petition such that signatures are not verified? - d. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sendmail issue
Am Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2005 06:04 schrieb saravanan ganapathy: --- Emanuel Strobl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mittwoch, 9. Februar 2005 16:15 schrieb saravanan [...] which is in /etc/rc.d/sendmail Sendmail is part of the FreeBSD base system. I don't know if the prot disables the base sendmail, you can always add 'sendmail_enable=NONE' to your /etc/rc.conf. -Harry How to uninstall the sendmail which comes in the base system? You're using a complete and standardized operating system, whose developers decided to have MTA functionality, realised by sendmail. You cannot uninstall it, nor do you have the choice to install it or not. It's like with all the other commands, name it tar or cpio. It's part of the operating system but you're not forced to use it. And since ports are standardized to be installed in /usr/local no program will interfere with the base system's version. You can go the source part and comnpile your world yourself, then you can decide what parts to install into a new root, but then you have to do the setup by hand, no installer. You can make your own OS based on FreeBSD though. See /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf for details How to know what are all the packages are comes by default in the base system? No packages are in the base system, it's the base system itself (like explained before) See the handbook for the operating systems features (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html, also have a look for the handbook in your native language) -Harry pgp8JeXmBCKCe.pgp Description: PGP signature
freebsd 5.3, rl0: discard oversize frame
Dear Sirs, I have trouble on the my nootbook Compaq Armada e500 (PIII-700, RAM 256 Mb, HDD 5Gb, Internal LAN Intel 100, and second ethernet adapter d-link dfe-690tx (pcmcia card on realtek 8138 chip) The internal lan adapter work fine (fxp0) But pcmcia dfe-690 permanently go down with error message: rl0: discard oversize frame. (more 10 times per day) please help me to find solution of this trouble -- With best regards, German Shikov mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Memory problems
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:54:23 -0200, Luís Vitório Cargnini wrote thanks, but the problem is that it's using and even when i kill process the memory usage remains ontouched and swap never been free. You're comparing the memory management with Windows. BSD and Linux do it completely different. As long as you still have free space in your RAM, it's not going to remove the program from your RAM. Unlike Windows, which kicks it out at the moment the program is being closed. If you run top, you have an memory overview. The active part is the RAM it's really using. The other ones are not really being used but are just stored in case you restart them again. It's kind of the same idea as the cache with an CPU. Why not use all the memory the system has? It's by far a better system then Windows does if you ask me. Jorn On Fri, 2005-02-04 at 07:06 -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote: Luís Vitório Cargnini [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Solve what? Nothing you've mentioned is a problem. See the FAQ entry Why does top show very little free memory even when I have very few programs running?: http://www.br.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#TOP-FREEMEM -- Thanks Regards Luís Vitório Cargnini Bsc. Computer Science ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchasNetBSD!!!
Ted Mittelstaedt writes: On the cover of any FreeBSD CDROM purchased from Walnut Creek. However, use of the devil image associated with UNIX predates this by nearly 2 decades. A devil image used in a general way isn't a logo, just as various images of windows are not the same as the official Windows logos. The logo image that uses Beastie first appeared on the FreeBSD 1.1 cdrom and was used as a logo in the bottom of every single Walnut Creek CDROM including the ones that came out after BSDI bought them, except it didn't appear on the 2.0 CDROM case. That is the most recognizable logo, and even today appears on the top of the FreeBSD website, to the right of the name FreeBSD. Still, it's not very consistent. The Beastie image is a cartoon character, and cartoon characters are assumed to be changing, moving entities--they make poor logos, although a very stylized logo can be based on a cartoon character (such as the mouse ears used by Disney). The logo has switched direction a few times. The original WC drawing had him looking left, most WC pressings have him looking left in the logo but a few have him looking right. That's way too inconsistent for a logo. And this is relevant, how exactly? It illustrates the difference between a logo and an image or entity associated with a product or service that is not a logo (such as a cartoon character or mascot). You mean like the ATT Death Star. Yes. Major corporations invest zillions of dollars in their logo designs and are extremely careful about making them as neutral as possible. They must remind no one of anything except the product or service being represented. (I actually don't see a Death Star in the ATT logo, but apparently someone, somewhere once did, and the nickname stuck, like the NASA worm, IIRC.) This is YOUR interpretation of a logo. Judging by the logos I see out in the real world, it's a very widespread interpretation. Indeed, the larger and more successful a company tends to be, the simpler its logo often becomes. Complex logos that look like complete illustrations are the mark of small and amateurish enterprises. And I have as a matter of fact seen the one you drew that you posted a link to before you responded here so if that is your idea of how a logo should be drawn I think I know what you mean. That is an example of the technical criteria that a logo should meet. The aesthetics are debatable, but the logo has the technical requirements met: simplicity, no more than two colors, no colors touching, no shading, screens, or blends, Pantone colors, no fine details or sharp corners, and good grayscale and BW rendering. Perhaps you are aware that fashions in logos come and go - word logos are very common these days, they didn't used to be however. It's best to follow the fashion in logo design, unless one is already so large and successful that one can afford to buck the trend (such as General Electric, which has kept the same logo for many decades). Frankly though the finer points of what typeface and colors are used are utterly lost on most people. Consciously, yes, but they unconsciously are influenced by the typeface and colors, and in a logo, this is very, very important. I personally find word logos to be very boring. Logos aren't designed to be interesting; they are designed to be remembered. From a business sense they are not very smart because if the business is ever sold, then the acquiring business jettisons all of the name recognition and imprinting you are talking about when they change the name. I guess that's why IBM, Microsoft, and GE don't use logotypes, eh? The Garamond typeface has long been associated with BSD, which is why I thought it might look good in a logo. I wonder if perhaps the reason word logos are popular is due to the egos of the company founders - probably as little boys they were the ones that could pee their names in the snow. The company founders usually don't design the logos in large and successful companies. They hire experts to do that. If you pitched the heart (Valentines day must be on your mind) and made a real honest to God devils tail instead, it might have a shot in the competition. I deliberately avoided that, because (1) anything that doesn't have an interpretation alternate to that of a devil's tail might offend the Bible thumpers, and they are customers, too; and (2) the alternate interpretation of a heart makes the brand seem a bit more human and lovable, and references the loyalty of the FreeBSD user community. And who do we have to pay royalties to or buy that font from? Nobody. You don't need a license to use a font. The shape of a font is not protected; only the name of the font is protected (copyrighted and/or trademarked), and the font files (which count as software) are protected by copyright. The font files are not used in this design, since I deliberately converted the letter forms to outlines for that reason.
Re: Javascript in Lynx
On Thursday 10 February 2005 06:32, Vince Sabio wrote: I'm running 5.1-RELEASE, and need to use Lynx via an ssh session to access my firewall's administrative interface. Logging into the firewall requires javascript. My FreeBSD machine has a stock installation of Lynx Version 2.8.4rel.1. I've gone through the [O]ptions in Lynx to find some means of enabling javascript, but haven't been able to locate it. The on-line docs don't seem to mention anything about it. Does Lynx even support javascript? If so, how do I enable it? I don't think it does, most people that want a more able text-based browser would go for links or w3m. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchasNetBSD!!!
Ted Mittelstaedt writes: This depends on your definition of survival. As long as FreeBSD runs on some hardware, and people still use it, it's surviving. No doubt, but to some extent the enthusiasm of the volunteers that work on the OS is a function of how many people they know to be using the software. The only real issue I see to FreeBSD's survival that requires corporate attention is device drivers for new hardware. And this is an issue that harms all operating systems even Windows. There are just as many older versions of Windows being made unrunnable by new hardware that lacks drivers for it, as BSD versions. Don't hardware manufacturers publish specs detailed enough to allow third parties to write drivers? but beyond this, the computer industry itself is in a real growth slump anyway. The 8080 IBM PCjr architecture is still at the core of new PC hardware. What growth we are seeing is the increasing commoditization of hardware. Unfortunately this is stunting the introduction of newer and possibly better ways to build a computer, all it does is just make the hardware cheaper and cheaper, and less and less innovative. (not that I'm complaining about the cheaper part, of course) I don't expect this to change. Computers are increasingly like washing machines or cars. Don't expect any huge innovations in the near future. Linux is a great case in point. What a pity that when people finally looked at something like UNIX, it turned out to not be UNIX at all, but someone cooked up in a schoolkid's garage. A perfect example of a product sold on hype alone, even though technically superior solutions already existed (but had no hype behind them). -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Logo Contest
Hi, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Erich Dollansky writes: Do above attributes apply to the logo of the most successful software package known as Windows? Yes. The Windows logo is simple and easy to recognize. The full logo is in multiple colors and requires screens to print, which is a bit of a drawback, but fortunately it is designed such that it can be printed with fewer colors, no screens, and in monochrome if necessary. It provides a very high level of brand recognition; even in straight black and white, people instantly recognize what the logo represents. And FreeBSD's beastie can even be 'printed' on an ASCII-Terminal still being recognised. FreeBSD already has this image. FreeBSD doesn't have a _logo_. FreeBSD uses currently the multirole beastie. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logo Contest
Hi, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Erich Dollansky writes: Do you believe that Windows is this successful because of its logo? No, but the logo accounts for a lot of brand recognition for Windows, as it does for most other products. Simple logos are easy to retain and Yes, after Windows become popular, the logo helps in some way. FreeBSD is far from being as popular as Windows. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Status of USB MIDI support in FreeBSD 5.3?
I'm interested in using an Evolution MK-361C MIDI Keyboard with Csound under FreeBSD. Is MIDI working under FreeBSD yet? If not, does anyone know when it's expected to? Perhaps I should give NetBSD a whirl for this one...? -AL. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchasNetBSD!!!
Anthony Atkielski wrote: Linux is a great case in point. What a pity that when people finally looked at something like UNIX, it turned out to not be UNIX at all, but someone cooked up in a schoolkid's garage. History repeating itself? Microsoft began life in Bill Gates' garage didn't it? A perfect example of a product sold on hype alone, even though technically superior solutions already existed (but had no hype behind them). History repeating itself? Can I say Microsoft? ;-) Mark --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0506-0, 08/02/2005 Tested on: 10/02/2005 13:44:59 avast! - copyright (c) 2000-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Experience with Dell Inspiron 1150 laptop?
i have one and its been great except that it came with macafee virus protector which was horrible. it made my laptop act up but as soon as i got rid of it everything was perfect. i got it in december. its got a lovely screen and the mouse and keyboard are excellent. i looked around in my class and 3 ppl had the same laptop and they seemed pretty happy with it. also, the wireless internet has been fine from the begining. i dont know if u have specific questions about it but if u do let me know. take care, donna ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD logo design competition
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 01:41:29PM -0800, Johnson David wrote: From: stheg olloydson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now as to the need to change the logo, to quote the announcement, This character sometimes treated with misinterpreted in the religious and cultural context. Over the years, the only complaints I have ever heard have come from America's Taliban. Leaving aside the question of whether or not the complainers are in a position to make any sort of IT decision, one must ask what is their motivation for complaining. They are simply trying to force their religious orthodoxy on others. These are the same people trying to eliminate the barrier between state and church to make the United States into a theocratic country. Therefore, these complaints can be categorized as coming from an irrational minority that should be ignored. Please keep your personal politics and cultural bigotry off of these lists. There is no America's Taliban, and the use of the term is used solely to incite emotions. Thinking that just because people share you views on operating systems they must also share you views on religion and foreign policy is sheer hubris. I realize that geeks and hackers tend to be irreligious, and Open Source a collection of global communities, but not until today have I seen such anti-Christian and anti-America bigotry in the FreeBSD community. Is this to be the new standard of discourse? If so, tell me now so I can avoid the rush in switching to another BSD. As a Christian I am not in the least offended by Beastie. But I am getting quite offended by people stereotyping my religion, nation and culture. David Johnson As a non-Christian, all I have to say to David is right on. I also like Beastie, and would be greatly annoyed if FreeBSD got rid of it. Political correctness sucks -- whatever side of the political spectrum it comes from. However, so-called free thinkers who bravely equate George Bush to Iranian mullahs and believe people who have a problem with ripping the heads off of nine-month fetuses are no different than the freaking Taliban are the same idiots who buy into Michael Moore's conspiracy theories, idolize the mass murderer Che Guevara, and think the CIA assassinated reggae singers because America was about to chill out too much. And, oh yes, I am also a Maryland Republican living in painfully liberal Montgomery County, where our great progressive government leaders, unlike the Talibanesque John Ashcroft, have banned smoking in bars, not to mention a flurry of others pieces of legislation that regulate people's private lives. And let's not forget, Stheg, that leftist European governments are not known for their great libertarian restraint. The anti-terrorism laws of many European nationsthink France, maybe Holland soon enough) make the Patriot Act look like something out of Mayberry. Know thyselves, hypocrites. Fundies aren't the only ones that need to mind their own business. Did I mention I like Beastie?) Rob. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeBSD ACPI
hi ! apm on my laptop making skips every 2-3 sec. does freebsd have some daemon to shutdown laptop when battery low using ACPI only (without apm enabled)? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logo Contest
[In reply to the huge number of misguided messages that have been rolling into my Inbox through last night and all of today.] I don't understand why you people are still battling on the subject. Some less-than-smart person has also started up an online petition which has gotten tons of people who DO NOT understand the situation to sign said petition. First: this is about PRINTING. What happens when you print any of the currently available FreeBSD logos? I'll tell you. Before going into this, I think I should explain a couple things about the press and about computer art. I'm sure some of you know this, but it is very apparent that some of you couldn't identify a raster image from a hole in the ground. When printing _any_ sort of art, there are certain things that need to be kept in mind. I'm keeping this simple. Do not get pedantic on me about this. First, I'd like to explain how things get printed on large media (large posters, signs, etc). Even some T-Shirt companies print their shirts this way. When printing on such media, you work with silk screens, conveniently named ``silkscreens.'' When printing, these screens are used to layer colors. Only one color can be printed at a time. When you print a Beastie that has 5 colors (using the EPS version as an example -- 5 colors because you don't have to print white), each color has to be pressed through the screen in a separate process. You can re-use screens across media. Thus, if you want to print 1,000 posters with the EPS of Beastie, you need to have 5 screens, and some poor worker (believe me, this is still hand-done in most places) has to print various parts of Beastie 5,000 times. What's the difference between raster and vector art? Raster art is what you usually see on the web. Files in GIF, JPEG, PNG, TIFF, BMP and other similar formats are all raster graphics. This basically means that the image is defined based on color values at certain pixels. Various formats have various ways to compress this, but that's basically how they all work. Vector art makes use of (unsurprisingly) vectors to determine how the image should be shown. The image is stored as mathematical data which describes where and how bezier curves should be formed, where lines are. Color can be added simply by giving these vectors a color property. If a shape is closed, you can even give it a fill. Indeed, you can even fill non-closed shapes by inferring their area based upon various different algorithms. The difference between raster and vector art is that rasterized images are generally only good for viewing on-screen. Unless your rasterized image is at a high quality with a high DPI, you can't do very much resizing without losing substantial quality (usually you can make them smaller and maintain a good quality, but making them larger usually removes quality directly). This is why you can't really enlarge digital photos and why when taking good pictures with a digital camera requires a camera with a high resolution. On the other hand, vector art can be resized to any size and maintain its original quality. So, when you get down to it, you really need to realize the problems: o The number of colors. The more colors an image has, the more it costs to print, for obvious reasons. The current FreeBSD logo not only makes use of a rasterized version of Beastie that is difficult to print at a high resolution, the text is beveled. There are tons of colors that would have to be removed or changed to print this on large media. Additionally, the raster would have to be traced, since I know of no raster version of Beastie that's larger than about 1200px wide. Printing the current logo is too expensive. o The ability to be resized. Even if this was traced by a program such as Inkscape (which makes use of some other tracing program, so I'm giving credit to the wrong place, sorry), there would be a substantial amount of quality lost. I know, because tracing even a small image (320x240) with a high number of scans (say 50) eats up about 500 MB RAM and comes close to hanging my dual P3 800. It might be doable at a reasonable speed on a AMD64 machine with 2 gigs of RAM; I wouldnt' be surprised if it wasn't. Converting the logo to something printable is too much of a PITA. o If we use the current vector version (the EPS version available in /usr/share/examples/BSD_daemon), we're losing a lot. It's not very detailed, it's not very pretty, and it still uses 5 colors, which is pretty expensive to print. o If we use either, you have to understand that either version is a bitch to print at a small size (for letterhead). The EPS is not well detailed, and the raster version still uses a lot of red ink :). The raster isn't very clear when printed in black and white, and the EPS still isn't pretty. This isn't about removing Beastie from FreeBSD. This is about a professional logo that can be easily printed on a wide variety of media including your computer screen, the head
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchasNetBSD!!!
Mark Ovens writes: History repeating itself? Microsoft began life in Bill Gates' garage didn't it? Yes, but the logo did not. It was years before Microsoft adopted a consistent logo. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!
Anthony Atkielski writes: Ted Mittelstaedt writes: And, I am also concerned about the historical revisionists who are claiming FreeBSD never had a logo. That is hogwash. Where can I see the logo? Nobody ever said that FreeBSD lacked a logo until after a few days ago when this ill-conceived competition was leaked - because everyone knew the logo was Beastie. That's not a logo. Just about every image I've seen of Beastie has been different, so it's not a logo, it's a character associated with the brand (like Mickey Mouse). Logos are simple and instantly recognizable; they do not mutate from one presentation to the next. Most open-source projects don't have logos; even Linux lacks a proper logo (one could probably be made from the popular penguin character, but I haven't seen any examples). Okay, I figured I just as well join in...seems like a good idea. I'm choosing this email to respond to: randomly selected from a relatively large number of messages expressing this same idea. The logo can be seen on the website www.freeBSD.org. it is in fact a relatively (from a printing perspective) high-resolution image of our daemon, holding a pitchfork on his left side. He is slightly facing forward, though looks off somewhat to the right. I know, He's a mascot, not a daemon...but that's not entirely true (not true at all?). dictionary.com says that a logo is a A name, symbol, or trademark designed for easy and definite recognition, especially one borne on a single printing plate or piece of type. or a n : a company emblem or device These are definitely vague enough to not disqualify an image of our daemon on technical merit. Further, FreeBSD proper calls the daemon image our logo (see logo_saver.ko). Before I read another of these stating that beastie is not a logo, I thought I should voice the fact (not my opinion, mind you) that we do indeed have a logo, albeit one that could use some modification to ease reproduction. (The latter part being opinion) -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Error 29: Disk write error while installing GRUB
I did a brief check on the net, and it seems to be bug that has been fixed. What version of GRUB are you using? The bug was that GRUB wasn't mounting the disks read-write. Alternatively, maybe you want to make a GRUB boot disk, and then try installing from that? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!
Eric Kjeldergaard writes: The logo can be seen on the website www.freeBSD.org. it is in fact a relatively (from a printing perspective) high-resolution image of our daemon, holding a pitchfork on his left side. He is slightly facing forward, though looks off somewhat to the right. I know, He's a mascot, not a daemon...but that's not entirely true (not true at all?). Tell you what: Go out and find out how much it would cost to print 10,000 copies of that logo on paper, exactly as it appears on the site, in crisp detail and bright colors. Then you'll see why a separate logo is required. A name, symbol, or trademark designed for easy and definite recognition, especially one borne on a single printing plate or piece of type. Yes, a _single printing plate_ or a _piece of type_. The image you reference doesn't even come close to that. These are definitely vague enough to not disqualify an image of our daemon on technical merit. It's precisely this technical merit that causes the problem. Beastie is too unsuitable for printing or for use in a wide range of media. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can I...
Hi there! I would to know if i can install the last relase of freeBSD on my computer. It's an acer travelmate 201t(It's old i know), celeron 600, 320Mb RAM, HD 4.7Gb. Can I have problems with KDE (I' ve already had with Mandrake 10...)?!? There is a way to fix these problems (I see the screen only during the install phase (with graphics), then at the reboot the screen becomes black)... I hope there will be no problems with freeBSD. Thank You Leandro This would probably be better sent to -mobile, but as long as it's here... You can almost assuredly run freeBSD with KDE on that system. I did with my 366mhz thinkpad and it was fine. If you had the availability of more RAM, it would be helpful, but 320 would cut it. I'm not sure what your video issues were with Mandrake and you didn't send your video card spex/brand/etc. It seems from a quick google search that people got FreeBSD running on a computer of that model since they are asking how to get the winModem running. I recommend trying it and seeing if it works. -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchasNetBSD!!!
Anthony Atkielski wrote: Ted Mittelstaedt writes: The only real issue I see to FreeBSD's survival that requires corporate attention is device drivers for new hardware. And this is an issue that harms all operating systems even Windows. There are just as many older versions of Windows being made unrunnable by new hardware that lacks drivers for it, as BSD versions. Don't hardware manufacturers publish specs detailed enough to allow third parties to write drivers? In a perfect world, Yes. In reality. No. A lot of hardware manufactures feel that they only need to support the 75% of the world that runs a proprietary OS. (this 75% figure was pulled out of my ass, it doesnt mean anything, just a representation) There is a general lack of support for the Free world from corporations developing hardware, this is one of the major downfalls in using Free software. (should say a Free OS, and not software in general) This is partially due to marketing and promotion of the OS in question. Take a look at a few major linux distributions for example. Lets say Fedora and SuSE. They have far superior hardware support than say slackware, or even FreeBSD for that matter. Why? Because they have major corporations backing them. With funding, promotion, etc... What does FreeBSD have? I dont have an answer for this yet. I'm not trying to start a flamewar, so dont take it that way. Just my 2 cents. Regards, Frank Laszlo ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!
Anthony Atkielski wrote: Eric Kjeldergaard writes: The logo can be seen on the website www.freeBSD.org. it is in fact a relatively (from a printing perspective) high-resolution image of our daemon, holding a pitchfork on his left side. He is slightly facing forward, though looks off somewhat to the right. I know, He's a mascot, not a daemon...but that's not entirely true (not true at all?). Tell you what: Go out and find out how much it would cost to print 10,000 copies of that logo on paper, exactly as it appears on the site, in crisp detail and bright colors. Then you'll see why a separate logo is required. A name, symbol, or trademark designed for easy and definite recognition, especially one borne on a single printing plate or piece of type. Yes, a _single printing plate_ or a _piece of type_. The image you reference doesn't even come close to that. you are all looking at a web graphic. Allready rendered as process colors. Its impossible to say how many printing plates its on. Obviously its more than 1. But that graphic could easily be a spot color print job, Which I think by today's standards is acceptable. And I believe you stated a logo should be free of screens You only need 1 plate to do a screen, so this is also irrelevent. Regards, Frank Laszlo ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:09:47 +0100, Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Kjeldergaard writes: The logo can be seen on the website www.freeBSD.org. it is in fact a relatively (from a printing perspective) high-resolution image of our daemon, holding a pitchfork on his left side. He is slightly facing forward, though looks off somewhat to the right. I know, He's a mascot, not a daemon...but that's not entirely true (not true at all?). Tell you what: Go out and find out how much it would cost to print 10,000 copies of that logo on paper, exactly as it appears on the site, in crisp detail and bright colors. Then you'll see why a separate logo is required. A name, symbol, or trademark designed for easy and definite recognition, especially one borne on a single printing plate or piece of type. Yes, a _single printing plate_ or a _piece of type_. The image you reference doesn't even come close to that. These are definitely vague enough to not disqualify an image of our daemon on technical merit. It's precisely this technical merit that causes the problem. Beastie is too unsuitable for printing or for use in a wide range of media. -- Anthony Very *cough* convenient cut job. I certainly mentioned that the freeBSD logo could use some simplification for ease of printing. My argument was simply that FreeBSD proper calls the beastie a logo, the userbase calls it a logo, and the dictionary does not invalidate it as a logo. the word especially used in a definition means taht it is not a requirement for fulfillment, just a trend in things fulfilling that definition. Further, dictionaries work by listing multiple definitions, and the fulfillment of any of them would qualify the word for acceptable use. Perhaps you missed the following (dictionary.com) n : a company emblem or device Perhaps emblem was troubling. An emblem is defined as (again, dictionary.com) n 1: special design or visual object representing a quality, type, group, etc. 2: a visible symbol representing an abstract idea Since a mascot (which most/all are certainly saying the daemon is) is a n : a person or animal that is adopted by a team or other group as a symbolic figure I should certainly think that a representation of a mascot, is a visual object representing the group that the mascot also represented. And this is definitely an emblem of FreeBSD. What's more important, from a linguistic perspective, is the usage within the group in question. The group in question is definitely FreeBSD core team and the FreeBSD community. These messages and dozens like it show that the commonly understood usage of logo does include images of our mascot, again, easily seen by looking at logo_saver. -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!
On 02/10/05 12:55 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt sat at the `puter and typed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 02/09/05 09:45 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC sat at the `puter and typed: Yes, but business is why Microsoft Windows (*) sucks old rocks. Microsoft is in business to make money, not better software. I was always under the impression that while the FreeBSD foundation was in business to promote FreeBSD, the chief focus of the core team has always been a better OS. Keeping Beastie is a statement of sorts that the FreeBSD team is NOT interested in business, just their work. Once upon a time, a geek could get by with their idiosyncrasies because they were obviously not interested in the power points that the businessmen and politicians wanted. They were only interested in their gadgetry, software, and whatever cool new technology came along. Now, one by one, everyone's worried about business like images, logos, and whatnot. Hi Louis, Yep, I was wondering how long it would take before someone figured this one out. We know the real rea$on$ that this logo change is being contemplated, don't we. Thank you. I thought I was the only one . . . You may be right, but I still strongly (but respectfully) disagree. And I strongly disagree without any respect. Respectful disagreement is one of the power points that the businessmen and politicians want, it has never been a geek idiosyncracy. LOL! Yeah, well, I have to admit, I'm fuming over here too. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint = C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 Immortality consists largely of boredom. -- Zefrem Cochrane, Metamorphosis, stardate 3219.8 pgpqmNGGAx5oc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Messed up my ports - Can't find the `5.1-RELEASE' distribution on this FTP server.
I have probably done something sometime on my 2 year+ server installation that wrecked my port installation. Whenever I try to install a port I get the Can't find the `5.1-RELEASE' distribution on this FTP server. the same goes with sysinstall - configure - Distributions I have tried multiple servers including the main. With the same result. I really don't know what to do. Any help is appreciated! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!
On 02/10/05 10:30 AM, Anthony Atkielski sat at the `puter and typed: Ted Mittelstaedt writes: And, I am also concerned about the historical revisionists who are claiming FreeBSD never had a logo. That is hogwash. Where can I see the logo? Nobody ever said that FreeBSD lacked a logo until after a few days ago when this ill-conceived competition was leaked - because everyone knew the logo was Beastie. That's not a logo. Just about every image I've seen of Beastie has been different, so it's not a logo, it's a character associated with the brand (like Mickey Mouse). Logos are simple and instantly recognizable; they do not mutate from one presentation to the next. Most open-source projects don't have logos; even Linux lacks a proper logo (one could probably be made from the popular penguin character, but I haven't seen any examples). Red Hat, however, _does_ have a logo. Yes I understand that some commercial consultants and such have had problems due to the logo being a devil image. Logos need to be as neutral as possible, since they will be very widely used and very heavily imprinted in customers' minds. They must not conjure up thoughts of anything except the brand they represent. Neutrality is purely objective in this case (and many others). Uninformed neutrality can be highly inflammatory. Beastie is only considered inflammatory to those uninformed fundamentalists who haven't been satisfied beating down every other freedom in this country and need someone or something else to pick on. Next they'll be burning books and witches again. Sorry, getting a little OT, but there it is. This logo competition is childish - 99% of the FreeBSD community members are not graphic artists and couldn't draw their way out of a paper bag ... That's why I figured I'd try my hand at it; see http://perso.wanadoo.fr/anthony.atkielski/FreeBSDLogo1.jpg I'm afraid I don't care for it. The heart is a bit hokey, and, as already mentioned by Ted, if you ditch that and make an honest to goodness daemon tail, it'll stand half a chance to be adopted in some degree by the community. It meets the technical criteria for a logo; the aesthetic aspect is an open question. Those technical criteria were NOT drawn out in community fashion. They forgot one very important thing: The logo must be historically significant. That bit about not offending anyone is bullshit plain and simple. I for one think this whole PC movement is bull. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for peoples right to live their lives, but the PC movement should have died exactly two days after it started. This logo concept uses ITC Garamond Bold (traditionally associated with FreeBSD and the BSDs generally) as the typeface for the logotype, thus retaining a link with prior generations of BSD (and showing kinship with other versions of BSD, such as NetBSD). I've adjusted the spacing of the logotype to tighten up the characters a bit. Doesn't someone else own that font? The squared oval surrounding the logotype represents continuous operation. The figure at the lower right is both a heart (representing the fondness that FreeBSD users have for the operating system) and, in conjunction with the oval, a symbolic pointed tail--an indirect reference to the original Beastie. The gold color for the oval represents reliability; the red color of the rest of logo again is an indirect reference to the original (red) Beastie. The simplicity of the logo makes it inexpensive to print on paper (it can be printed monochrome or with simple two-color offset, or with process offset). There are no complex halftones or shadings or fine details that might be difficult to print or might become muddy or fuzzy when resizing the logo for display. The spot colors used are Pantone 144 CVU (gold) and Pantone 187 CVU (red). These can be easily converted to CMYK, RGB, grayscale, etc., as required. However I decided that I would be willing to take the financial impact on a personal basis of losing a few sales to people who are so blinded by their idea of religion that they wouldn't touch a book with an image of a devil on the cover - because the FreeBSD devil image has a historical significance to FreeBSD that is important. Actually, I think the devil aspect has little impact on public perception of FreeBSD. It's having a cute little cartoon mascot in sneakers that has the real impact--it implies that FreeBSD is a toy for kids, not a serious product for professionals and corporations. A more serious image of Beastie should be considered for these venues. And in any case, this mascot is distinct from a logo. The image used on your book is not a logo. And this is still wrong. As mentioned at least one million times on this very list in the years I've been here, it's NOT a devil. It's a daemon. Now the fundies have the FreeBSD community using the wrong word. And for the record, those sneakers
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!
On 02/10/05 08:03 AM, Eric Kjeldergaard sat at the `puter and typed: Anthony Atkielski writes: Ted Mittelstaedt writes: And, I am also concerned about the historical revisionists who are claiming FreeBSD never had a logo. That is hogwash. Where can I see the logo? Nobody ever said that FreeBSD lacked a logo until after a few days ago when this ill-conceived competition was leaked - because everyone knew the logo was Beastie. That's not a logo. Just about every image I've seen of Beastie has been different, so it's not a logo, it's a character associated with the brand (like Mickey Mouse). Logos are simple and instantly recognizable; they do not mutate from one presentation to the next. Most open-source projects don't have logos; even Linux lacks a proper logo (one could probably be made from the popular penguin character, but I haven't seen any examples). Okay, I figured I just as well join in...seems like a good idea. I'm choosing this email to respond to: randomly selected from a relatively large number of messages expressing this same idea. The logo can be seen on the website www.freeBSD.org. it is in fact a relatively (from a printing perspective) high-resolution image of our daemon, holding a pitchfork on his left side. He is slightly facing forward, though looks off somewhat to the right. I know, He's a mascot, not a daemon...but that's not entirely true (not true at all?). dictionary.com says that a logo is a A name, symbol, or trademark designed for easy and definite recognition, especially one borne on a single printing plate or piece of type. or a n : a company emblem or device These are definitely vague enough to not disqualify an image of our daemon on technical merit. Further, FreeBSD proper calls the daemon image our logo (see logo_saver.ko). Before I read another of these stating that beastie is not a logo, I thought I should voice the fact (not my opinion, mind you) that we do indeed have a logo, albeit one that could use some modification to ease reproduction. (The latter part being opinion) There are a couple other images labeled as logos on the FreeBSD site: http://www.freebsd.org/gifs/littlelogo.gif http://www.freebsd.org/gifs/powerlogo.gif Plus the fact that anyone who is even remotely familiar with FreeBSDs existence would immediately associate Beastie with FreeBSD. Yeah, maybe that is considered a mascot, but nothing I've seen supports the idea that the mascot can't be part of the logo. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint = C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 All life evolves by the differential survival of replicating entities. -- Dawkins pgprnznyaMQX8.pgp Description: PGP signature
load average gone boink
I did an experiment on my 5.3-STABLE, I recompiled the kernel to support geom_bde crypto file system. Then followed the handbook http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/disks-encrypting.html except that I didn't have a separate partition, so I created a memory file system and succesfully attached and mounted that. So I wanted to see if the disk was actually encrypted with less on the file. No clue, just [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ok, then I saw the uptime, and it has never been higher. I thought maybe some operation was pending and unmounted and detached the memory disk. But since then I get this output: 5:21pm up 1:27, 1 user, load averages: 6.70, 604.19, 947.57 5:21pm up 1:27, 1 user, load averages: 648.43, 515.02, 914.09 5:22pm up 1:28, 1 user, load averages: 825.09, 309.29, 460.63 5:22pm up 1:29, 1 user, load averages: 368.88, 223.28, 429.38 5:22pm up 1:29, 1 user, load averages: 972.71, 138.59, 398.28 5:22pm up 1:29, 1 user, load averages: 503.40, 55.14, 367.31 I rebooted, no more playing with encrypted file systems, yet I get: 5:28pm up 50 secs, 1 user, load averages: 796.30, 990.13, 1011.98 5:29pm up 55 secs, 1 user, load averages: 732.21, 973.63, 1006.03 5:29pm up 58 secs, 1 user, load averages: 673.26, 957.40, 1000.11 Usually I have load average of 0.01 or so. Any explanation on this? Thanks, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: load average gone boink
Just to add some detail, from top: last pid: 749; load averages: 240.76, 395.77, 739.40 up 0+00:05:34 17:33:12 72 processes: 1 running, 71 sleeping CPU states: 0.4% user, 0.0% nice, 0.8% system, 0.0% interrupt, 98.8% idle Mem: 58M Active, 34M Inact, 43M Wired, 44K Cache, 33M Buf, 92M Free Swap: 512M Total, 512M Free PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZERES STATETIME WCPUCPU COMMAND 601 mysql 200 57680K 25084K kserel 0:01 0.00% 0.00% mysqld 279 bind 200 6092K 5004K kserel 0:01 0.00% 0.00% named 517 root 960 13132K 9964K select 0:01 0.00% 0.00% httpd 725 postfix 960 6668K 4432K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% smtpd 524 cyrus 960 6540K 3812K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% master -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logo Contest
On 02/10/05 03:03 PM, Devon H. O'Dell sat at the `puter and typed: [In reply to the huge number of misguided messages that have been rolling into my Inbox through last night and all of today.] I don't understand why you people are still battling on the subject. Some less-than-smart person has also started up an online petition which has gotten tons of people who DO NOT understand the situation to sign said petition. First: this is about PRINTING. What happens when you print any of the currently available FreeBSD logos? I'll tell you. No, I don't think this is about printing. The leaked document in its initial form mentioned *replacing* the FreeBSD daemon. No mention of cleaning it up was made. It even included a bunch of guidelines for contest entries, including: * The logo must not exploit or offend a person's sex, race, religion, morality, culture , nor be salacious or pornographic. Now, if you look at the URL that was originally leaked, http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/announce.txt You'll find something more carefully worded: This is the future site for the FreeBSD logo competiton which is meant to create a new logo for the FreeBSD Project to supplement the current Beastie mascot. Despite an early draft announcement that got out we are not quite ready for the logos yet. Please watch this space and the freebsd-announce mailing list for more information in the near future. http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/ This is looking like one of two things at this point: A bait and switch, meaning it is nothing more than an attempt to make those opposed to replacing Beastie feel like they're involved, while those with the ability to make the final decision choose something not including Beastie, or they realized that the whole idea was a bad one to start. I can almost guarantee that if this was for nothing more than a printing cleanup, none of this hype would be happening. Besides, the FreeBSD Mall doesn't seem to have much trouble printing up *their* T-shirts. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint = C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 Burbulation: The obsessive act of opening and closing a refrigerator door in an attempt to catch it before the automatic light comes on. -- Sniglets, Rich Hall Friends pgpd4pHx3ojVw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD 5.3 MySQL Performance
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 04:22:02PM -0800, Matt Olander wrote: hey gang, We've got a customer that is considering a network expansion while moving from Linux to FreeBSD. They are big users of MySQL and have been running it on Linux. Most of the information that I've found is a bit old, but I guess my question is if LinuxThreads should still be used or if MySQL works well under FreeBSD using native threads. The customer has looked at Jeremy's blog article on this issue, but this is pretty old: http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/000697.html Also, does anybody have any FreeBSD 5.3/MySQL benchmarks? I searched the mailing lists but didn't turn up anything. Hot off the press: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/12/27/1243207from=rss Ceri -- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-- Einstein (attrib.) pgpXT4KpErWtD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: load average gone boink
Hello, http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2005-February/011693.html Regards. On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:34:38 +0100, Erik Norgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to add some detail, from top: last pid: 749; load averages: 240.76, 395.77, 739.40 up 0+00:05:34 17:33:12 72 processes: 1 running, 71 sleeping CPU states: 0.4% user, 0.0% nice, 0.8% system, 0.0% interrupt, 98.8% idle Mem: 58M Active, 34M Inact, 43M Wired, 44K Cache, 33M Buf, 92M Free Swap: 512M Total, 512M Free PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZERES STATETIME WCPUCPU COMMAND 601 mysql 200 57680K 25084K kserel 0:01 0.00% 0.00% mysqld 279 bind 200 6092K 5004K kserel 0:01 0.00% 0.00% named 517 root 960 13132K 9964K select 0:01 0.00% 0.00% httpd 725 postfix 960 6668K 4432K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% smtpd 524 cyrus 960 6540K 3812K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% master -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- There's this old saying: Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Telnet and FTP issues on 5.3
Hi, I have been searching for few days everywhere an answer to this question. Is there a way to stop telnet access for a group let's say ftponly but allow them to have FTP access in FreeBSD 5.3. I know this works in my old system BSD OS 4.3. The commands are like this in login.conf file in BSD OS 4.3. #restrict telnet for ftponly group only ftponly:\ :auth-network=reject:\ :auth-ftp=passwd: Thanks VJ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
KDM doesn't launch any WindowManager
Hello, I've just installed the last version of FreeBSD (5.3), after the reference, but I cannot launch any WindowManager using KDM : KDM closes and restart immediatly... I think that it's the same about XDM. But my Window Managers works using startx ! I think it's because there is no X-configuration menu during the installation with sysinstall... But what's the name of the new tool ? Thanks Hugo ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
installing mysql , apache with ssl and mod_php4 help ?
Im running FBSD 4.10 and to cure the problem with a recent php4 exploit i had to upgrade to 4.3.10 ..i did this by going to /usr/ports/www/mod_php4 and doing make deinstall make reinstall in doing this after restarting apache which by the way said it loaded the php module im getting no Mysql support when i try to access my mysql/php sites anyone run accross this ?? if so ...how do i fix it ? i was thinking of just reinstalling mysql / apache ssl /mod_php4 any thoughts ? -- Brent ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDM doesn't launch any WindowManager
On Thursday 10 February 2005 11:36 am, HuGo Herter wrote: Hello, I've just installed the last version of FreeBSD (5.3), after the reference, but I cannot launch any WindowManager using KDM : KDM closes and restart immediatly... I think that it's the same about XDM. But my Window Managers works using startx ! I think it's because there is no X-configuration menu during the installation with sysinstall... But what's the name of the new tool ? Thanks Hugo See the X Configuration section of the online manual: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-config.html Best of luck, Andrew ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Javascript in Lynx
On Thursday 10 February 2005 13:08, RW wrote: On Thursday 10 February 2005 06:32, Vince Sabio wrote: I'm running 5.1-RELEASE, and need to use Lynx via an ssh session to access my firewall's administrative interface. Logging into the firewall requires javascript. My FreeBSD machine has a stock installation of Lynx Version 2.8.4rel.1. I've gone through the [O]ptions in Lynx to find some means of enabling javascript, but haven't been able to locate it. The on-line docs don't seem to mention anything about it. Does Lynx even support javascript? If so, how do I enable it? I don't think it does, most people that want a more able text-based browser would go for links or w3m. BTW are you aware of ssh port-forwarding? You should be able to forward a local port on your desktop machine through to the HTTP port of the firewall via an ssh tunnel to the FreeBSD box. You can then use any browser you like. It should be detailed in the documentation of your ssh client, but there are many how-tos for setting up putty or openssh on the websites of companies that provide anonymous proxy server access. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
xPL for freeBSD or a similar project?
I just got knowledge of the xPL project (http://www.xplproject.org.uk/index.php). And I would like to try it out but can't find anything freeBSD related for this project. Has anyone managed to do anything with this project on a freeBSD. Are there any other similar projects around that is more mature for a freeBSD environment. //Joche ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Secure file transfers
Which packages are available to upload /download large dumpfiles in a secure fashion (e.g. using SSL). The customer should not need any secure client installed on his PC. Thanks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SPAM: Score 2.5: Re: FreeBSD logo design competition
--- Johnson David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: stheg olloydson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now as to the need to change the logo, to quote the announcement, This character sometimes treated with misinterpreted in the religious and cultural context. Over the years, the only complaints I have ever heard have come from America's Taliban. Leaving aside the question of whether or not the complainers are in a position to make any sort of IT decision, one must ask what is their motivation for complaining. They are simply trying to force their religious orthodoxy on others. These are the same people trying to eliminate the barrier between state and church to make the United States into a theocratic country. Therefore, these complaints can be categorized as coming from an irrational minority that should be ignored. Please keep your personal politics and cultural bigotry off of these lists. There is no America's Taliban, and the use of the term is used solely to incite emotions. Thinking that just because people share you views on operating systems they must also share you views on religion and foreign policy is sheer hubris. I realize that geeks and hackers tend to be irreligious, and Open Source a collection of global communities, but not until today have I seen such anti-Christian and anti-America bigotry in the FreeBSD community. Is this to be the new standard of discourse? If so, tell me now so I can avoid the rush in switching to another BSD. As a Christian I am not in the least offended by Beastie. But I am getting quite offended by people stereotyping my religion, nation and culture. David Johnson Well, well, well! Hit too close to home did I? I said that those complaining about the beastie belong to an irrational minority that wish to impose their religion on others. In what way is this statement bigotry or anti-Christian or anti-American? You, however, make a very revealing statement when you say, But I am getting quite offended by people stereotyping my religion, nation and culture. The operative word here is my. Why do you think that I am not a Christian American produced by the same culture as you? Is it because I have a name not typically associated with being an American? I think your assumption proves my xenophobia remark, at least in regards to you, don't you? Best regards, Stheg Olloydson __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Telnet and FTP issues on 5.3
In the last episode (Feb 10), Dixit, Viraj said: I have been searching for few days everywhere an answer to this question. Is there a way to stop telnet access for a group let's say ftponly but allow them to have FTP access in FreeBSD 5.3. I know this works in my old system BSD OS 4.3. The commands are like this in login.conf file in BSD OS 4.3. #restrict telnet for ftponly group only ftponly:\ :auth-network=reject:\ :auth-ftp=passwd: One way to do this is to set the user's shell to /usr/sbin/nologin and add /usr/sbin/nologin to the /etc/shells file. They won't be able to telnet or ssh in, but they will be able to ftp. -- Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDM doesn't launch any WindowManager
HuGo Herter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: HuGo Herter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, I've just installed the last version of FreeBSD (5.3), after the reference, but I cannot launch any WindowManager using KDM : KDM closes and restart immediatly... I think that it's the same about XDM. But my Window Managers works using startx ! In that case, it's almost certainly a problem with your .xsession file. Is it different than your .xinitrc? I think it's because there is no X-configuration menu during the installation with sysinstall... But what's the name of the new tool ? A lot of people don't need to configure X to have it just work. The tool you're looking for is xorgcfg or xorgconfig, but your configuration is probably fine if it works with startx. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!
At 10:59 AM -0500 2/10/05, Louis LeBlanc wrote: Logos need to be as neutral as possible, since they will be very widely used and very heavily imprinted in customers' minds. They must not conjure up thoughts of anything except the brand they represent. Neutrality is purely objective in this case (and many others). Uninformed neutrality can be highly inflammatory. Beastie is only considered inflammatory to those uninformed fundamentalists who haven't been satisfied beating down every other freedom in this country and need someone or something else to pick on. Next they'll be burning books and witches again. It is interesting that I constantly hear FreeBSD MUST have the Beastie as the only logo for FreeBSD. We MUST NOT even consider any other logo -- because if we consider ANY other logo, we will be close-minded!. So, there is one-and-only-one valid logo for FreeBSD, and that is because FreeBSD is so very open-minded? Note that the contest is just to see what logos people can come up with. It's not like we are demanding that the logo must have angels in it, or a picture of some other religious figure. Nothing more than Let's see what ideas people can come up with. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Systems Programmer or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy, NY; USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeBSD Logo
Many companies do change their logos (see link). Logos tend to evolve over time and as the world changes. Our world (software-wise) is definitely changing. If we want FreeBSD to exist in the future then change is inevitable. http://www.bellsystemmemorial.com/bell_logos.html The open source slice of the OS pie is getting larger. For the FreeBSD portion of that slice to grow, it must change. My 2 seashells. Robert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: load average gone boink
Dominique Goncalves wrote: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2005-February/011693.html Thanks, you don't have to rebuild the world, just the kernel. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nautilus errors during Gnome Desktop startup...
All of a sudden, my Gnome desktop is not starting up correctly anymore. The splash screen displays the usual startup icons one after the other: until Nautilus. After that the mouse-pointer remains a thick cross and the usual window handling stuff has broken down completely. When I close down the Gnome Desktop, I can just make out a bunch of Nautilus related errors appearing on the screen. How can I best trouble-shoot this, e.g. is there some error log file I can examine? Could it have something to do with the fact that the day before I updated to the latest Perl version? Thanks a lot in advance. -- Kiffin Rex Gish Gouda, The Netherlands ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: installing mysql , apache with ssl and mod_php4 help ?
Brent wrote: Im running FBSD 4.10 and to cure the problem with a recent php4 exploit i had to upgrade to 4.3.10 ..i did this by going to /usr/ports/www/mod_php4 and doing make deinstall make reinstall in doing this after restarting apache which by the way said it loaded the php module im getting no Mysql support when i try to access my mysql/php sites anyone run accross this ?? if so ...how do i fix it ? i was thinking of just reinstalling mysql / apache ssl /mod_php4 any thoughts ? Hi, Brent. Check /usr/ports/UPDATING and note that the PHP port was splitted last July. To get MySQL support, you will have to also install the extensions. That's most likely the issue. HTH, Kevin Kinsey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[SOLVED]Re: Error 29: Disk write error while installing GRUB
On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 06:07:10PM +0400, Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: I did a brief check on the net, and it seems to be bug that has been fixed. What version of GRUB are you using? The bug was that GRUB wasn't mounting the disks read-write. Alternatively, maybe you want to make a GRUB boot disk, and then try installing from that? I am using grub 0.95. This was exactly my point as I don't own a floppy drive. Anyway the solution i found after some searching was to use grub-install /dev/hda instead of using the grub cli. Anyway grub-install worked just fine :) Thank you for your time. Leonidas Tsabros ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!
On 02/10/05 02:26 PM, Garance A Drosehn sat at the `puter and typed: At 10:59 AM -0500 2/10/05, Louis LeBlanc wrote: Logos need to be as neutral as possible, since they will be very widely used and very heavily imprinted in customers' minds. They must not conjure up thoughts of anything except the brand they represent. Neutrality is purely objective in this case (and many others). Uninformed neutrality can be highly inflammatory. Beastie is only considered inflammatory to those uninformed fundamentalists who haven't been satisfied beating down every other freedom in this country and need someone or something else to pick on. Next they'll be burning books and witches again. It is interesting that I constantly hear FreeBSD MUST have the Beastie as the only logo for FreeBSD. We MUST NOT even consider any other logo -- because if we consider ANY other logo, we will be close-minded!. I don't remember ever being accused of close mindedness. Being open or closed minded has nothing to do with this. The issue of replacing Beastie has come up in the past, and in my opinion, the reasons have always been all wrong. I, along with a lot of other members of the community feel strongly enough about it to voice our opinions every time this comes up. So, there is one-and-only-one valid logo for FreeBSD, and that is because FreeBSD is so very open-minded? The logo is what it is. It has been the logo, and Beastie himself the mascot, since long before I started using FreeBSD, and is considerd by many to be an integral part of FreeBSDs identity. Granted, changing a logo isn't always a bad thing, but doing it for the wrong reasons is. It is my not so humble opinion that changing your identity to suit an overly sensitive vocal minority is always the wrong reason. On that I'm afraid maybe I am close minded. Note that the contest is just to see what logos people can come up with. It's not like we are demanding that the logo must have angels in it, or a picture of some other religious figure. Nothing more than Let's see what ideas people can come up with. Now, you see, mentioning angels is really a good point. The problem I have there is that angels are strictly a modern religious symbol. Daemons are not. At least not with anything anyone considers a modern religion - it's more widely associated with an ancient mythos, but the concept is relevant to the OS, and that's the thing about Beastie that makes him perfect for FreeBSD. Demons are modern religious symbols, Devils are, the cross used by christians is. It's not reasonable to suppress something *outside* your system of beliefs just because something negative *within* your system of beliefs is based on it. That's what I see happening, and why I'm vehemently and vocally opposed to the change. If there were a *reasonable* basis for changing, I would be in favor of the proposed change. Sadly, but in favor nonetheless. The business reasons mentioned are not sound given the fact that there are *real* devils used as mascots and logos in the food, sports, and other industries. The issue of religious sensibilities is plain ridiculous, given that Beastie is completely unrelated to the (mythos'/faiths/religions) those objections are based on. As I said, next they'll be burning books and witches again. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint = C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 share, n.: To give in, endure humiliation. pgpATJxDJWeRg.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Telnet and FTP issues on 5.3
Thanks so much Dan, this works great. I appreciate your help. VJ -Original Message- From: Dan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 10:42 AM To: Dixit, Viraj Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject:Re: Telnet and FTP issues on 5.3 In the last episode (Feb 10), Dixit, Viraj said: I have been searching for few days everywhere an answer to this question. Is there a way to stop telnet access for a group let's say ftponly but allow them to have FTP access in FreeBSD 5.3. I know this works in my old system BSD OS 4.3. The commands are like this in login.conf file in BSD OS 4.3. #restrict telnet for ftponly group only ftponly:\ :auth-network=reject:\ :auth-ftp=passwd: One way to do this is to set the user's shell to /usr/sbin/nologin and add /usr/sbin/nologin to the /etc/shells file. They won't be able to telnet or ssh in, but they will be able to ftp. -- Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!
Frank Laszlo writes: you are all looking at a web graphic. Allready rendered as process colors. Its impossible to say how many printing plates its on. Process is always four plates, except for the rare hexachrome offset, which is six plates. Spot colors require one plate per color. Two-color jobs are pretty economical, which is why you see so much two-color work. But that graphic could easily be a spot color print job, Which I think by today's standards is acceptable. I don't know what you mean by this. And I believe you stated a logo should be free of screens You only need 1 plate to do a screen, so this is also irrelevent. Screens cause a problem when you reduce a logo to small sizes, as there are limits on the line frequency you can use for screens, and if the screen is too coarse for a tiny graphic, it will look really bad. So it's best to avoid screens altogether. Worse yet is having multiple screens on several plates, in which case you have to worry about registration issues, and the screens usually have to be much more coarse, which again causes problems for small sizes. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!
* Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [0255 08:55]: Yep, I was wondering how long it would take before someone figured this one out. We know the real rea$on$ that this logo change is being contemplated, don't we. You seem to think you do, certainly. Why don't you ask core instead of reading their minds? -- 'A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction into a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.' -- Calvin discovers Usenet Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD logo design competition
it was said: As a non-Christian, all I have to say to David is right on. Sounds like you're another person who, for reasons that you know better than I, you seem to have taken my remarks as a personal attack. I also like Beastie, and would be greatly annoyed if FreeBSD got rid of it. Political correctness sucks -- whatever side of the political spectrum it comes from. Agreed to a point, the point being WHY beastie is replaced or, in newspeak, supplemented. If beastie were being supplemented as a routine matter of business as logos sometimes are, I wouldn't be annoyed, only disappointed. However, as you point out, beastie is being replaced in a capitulation to what you mischaracterize as political correctness. This is a case of theological correctness; politics doesn't enter into the discussion. What I said is that those who complained about beastie belong to a brand of religious ideology belonging to an irrational minority and as such they and their complaints should be ignored. However, so-called free thinkers who bravely equate George Bush to Iranian mullahs and believe people who have a problem with ripping the heads off of nine-month fetuses are no different than the freaking Taliban are the same idiots who buy into Michael Moore's conspiracy theories, idolize the mass murderer Che Guevara, and think the CIA assassinated reggae singers because America was about to chill out too much. I don't believe I mentioned anything about Bush, Iran, fetuses, Michael Moore, Che Guevara, or the CIA. Please keep to the discussion at hand if you're not irrational. And, oh yes, I am also a Maryland Republican living in painfully liberal Montgomery County, where our great progressive government leaders, unlike the Talibanesque John Ashcroft, have banned smoking in bars, not to mention a flurry of others pieces of legislation that regulate people's private lives. Sounds like you are unhappy with your local government. I would register and vote them out of office if I were you. That's how a representative democracy works. And let's not forget, Stheg, that leftist European governments are not known for their great libertarian restraint. The anti-terrorism laws of many European nationsthink France, maybe Holland soon enough) make the Patriot Act look like something out of Mayberry. Now I'm really puzzled. Are you saying that you are moving to Europe to get away from painfully liberal Montgomery County? I don't think you'll like it there after the novelty wears off. Compared to most of America, it's cold and expensive. Perhaps you, like Mr. Johnson, are assuming from my name that I am not American and are making a Europeans are worse than Americans argument. Once again, your words do more to prove than disprove my xenophobia remark. Know thyselves, hypocrites. Fundies aren't the only ones that need to mind their own business. Based on this statement, I infer you are calling people against religious oppression hypocrites, an interesting but contextually irrelevant remark. Unless you mean to imply that I personally am a hypocrite. If that is the case, adduce the statements I have made to make your case. You go on to say Fundies -and others- need to mind their own business. The problem here is the Fundies (your word, not mine) aren't minding their own business; they're minding ours! Also at issue is the way the decision to supplement beastie was made. Apparently, the FreeBSD Project thinks sneaking around and handing out a _fait accompli_ is the proper way to be professional in this community. As a member of this community, I AM minding my own business by taking them to task for a rather base betrayal of trust. Did I mention I like Beastie?) Good for you. Then you, too, should be against supplementing beastie for the same reason I am. Rob. Best regards, Stheg __ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logo Contest
Untrue, I know a NUMBER of emerging graphic artists, who would kill for this kind of exposure, and are much better than any commercialized firm I've seen. On Thu, 2005-02-10 at 21:00 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Dave Wood writes: Once the contest is offically launched, how do people feel about inviting a bunch of professional logo design companies to participate. The $500 prize won't convince them to partake, but the vast exposure almost certainly will. No, it won't. FreeBSD is small potatoes, and no design firm is going to give away its work (which essentially tells clients that its work is worthless). The old the publicity is worth more than a fee argument is laughed at by serious graphic artists. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!
Louis LeBlanc writes: Neutrality is purely objective in this case (and many others). Uninformed neutrality can be highly inflammatory. Beastie is only considered inflammatory to those uninformed fundamentalists who haven't been satisfied beating down every other freedom in this country and need someone or something else to pick on. They are potential customers. One of them is even President. I'm afraid I don't care for it. It's just an example. The heart is a bit hokey, and, as already mentioned by Ted, if you ditch that and make an honest to goodness daemon tail, it'll stand half a chance to be adopted in some degree by the community. If you put an obvious demon tail in the logo, some customers may object. Others may say nothing but might be put off by the image. Those technical criteria were NOT drawn out in community fashion. They don't have to be. The technical criteria are imposed by the real world of printing and display technologies. These are the criteria that must be met if you want to print and display with good results and at a reasonable price. It doesn't matter what the community thinks in this case. That bit about not offending anyone is bullshit plain and simple. I for one think this whole PC movement is bull. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for peoples right to live their lives, but the PC movement should have died exactly two days after it started. You're entitled to your opinion, but it's not likely to help the spread of FreeBSD. Doesn't someone else own that font? Typefaces are not protected in that way. You can use any typeface you want for anything. The only protected aspects of typefaces are making copies of the actual font files (which are considered software and are protected by copyright), and using the _name_ of the typeface without authorization (making another typeface and calling it the same thing). The actual outlines themselves can be used in anything. In order to prevent the potential problem of embedding fonts in the EPS file, I converted them to outlines before saving the file. And this is still wrong. As mentioned at least one million times on this very list in the years I've been here, it's NOT a devil. It's a daemon. Now the fundies have the FreeBSD community using the wrong word. Nothing prevents you from designing your own logo and presenting it to everyone else. Then you can get it right. And for the record, those sneakers don't mean anything like a toy. They are for speed. Fine, but are you prepared to explain that in detail to each and every potential corporate user? If you can find something that is still historically significant, doesn't use text (as mentioned by Ted, text logos are BORING) ... As I've said, logos don't have to be interesting, they just have to be memorable. Text logos are everywhere around us. I have only one reason to keep Beastie that has anything to do with the fact that I just plain like him. And that's the reason. I just plain like Beastie. I have *lots* of reasons I think Beastie should stay that have nothing whatsoever to do with that fact. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Interesting. I couldn't care less what the mascot or symbol of FreeBSD might be. The only thing that interests me is the software. I use quite a few software products that have really bad logos, I think (I'm not sure because I don't look at the logos very much). -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logo Contest
Louis LeBlanc writes: No, I don't think this is about printing. Anything that is about logos is also about printing. I can almost guarantee that if this was for nothing more than a printing cleanup, none of this hype would be happening. I can almost guarantee that if everyone involved took a magic drug that eliminated testosterone, a new logo would be agreed upon in a day or so. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Secure file transfers
Danie Du Toit writes: Which packages are available to upload /download large dumpfiles in a secure fashion (e.g. using SSL). The customer should not need any secure client installed on his PC. Anything that is secure will require appropriate software at both ends of the transfer, and thus will require some sort of security-aware client on the customer's PC. SFTP provides secure file transfers. I use SecureFX on my client machine, and the standard SFTP server on the FreeBSD server. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!
Louis LeBlanc writes: If there were a *reasonable* basis for changing, I would be in favor of the proposed change. Sadly, but in favor nonetheless. The business reasons mentioned are not sound given the fact that there are *real* devils used as mascots and logos in the food, sports, and other industries. The devil aspect is unimportant. What is important is that there is a need for a simple and flexible logo for brand identification. The current Beastie image, besides being inconsistent, is almost totally unsuitable for the technologies with which a logo must be used. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logo Contest
Julio Capote writes: Untrue, I know a NUMBER of emerging graphic artists, who would kill for this kind of exposure, and are much better than any commercialized firm I've seen. If they are so good, why would they kill for this kind of exposure? The world of commercial art is no exception to the rule that you get what you pay for. Good graphic art is worth paying for; for a price of zero dollars, you'll get zero quality. Exceptions are very, very rare, and cannot be depended on. And an amateurish logo would be quite a liability. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Secure file transfers
I had a similar, perhaps related question. I'm making backups via tar to a SMB server, but I would rather use sftp/scp for it (the NAS supports both SMB and scp/sftp). I don't have enough disk space to make the backup to a tarchive and then scp that tarchive. Is there a way to make scp/sftp read from a pipe or stdin, rather than specific filenames? The docs haven't mentioned it, but since the subject came up I thought it worth asking... --- Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Danie Du Toit writes: Which packages are available to upload /download large dumpfiles in a secure fashion (e.g. using SSL). The customer should not need any secure client installed on his PC. Anything that is secure will require appropriate software at both ends of the transfer, and thus will require some sort of security-aware client on the customer's PC. SFTP provides secure file transfers. I use SecureFX on my client machine, and the standard SFTP server on the FreeBSD server. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Secure file transfers
On Thursday 10 February 2005 02:28 pm, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Danie Du Toit writes: Which packages are available to upload /download large dumpfiles in a secure fashion (e.g. using SSL). The customer should not need any secure client installed on his PC. Anything that is secure will require appropriate software at both ends of the transfer, and thus will require some sort of security-aware client on the customer's PC. SFTP provides secure file transfers. I use SecureFX on my client machine, and the standard SFTP server on the FreeBSD server. How about webdav over SSL (https)? The easiest webdav client that I've found in *nix is Konqueror. Windows (2K, XP) and Mac OSX have support for webdav by default. Andrew Gould ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Messed up my ports - Can't find the `5.1-RELEASE' distribution on this FTP server.
On Thursday 10 February 2005 07:14 am, Joachim Dagerot wrote: I have probably done something sometime on my 2 year+ server installation that wrecked my port installation. Whenever I try to install a port I get the Can't find the `5.1-RELEASE' distribution on this FTP server. the same goes with sysinstall - configure - Distributions I have tried multiple servers including the main. With the same result. I really don't know what to do. Any help is appreciated! Ports don't go by releases like you are trying to do. If you look at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/ You will see that nothing before 5.2 is there now. The current set of packages, which is what you are loading, would be located in packages-5-stable. Are you really still using 5.1? That was not considered a production release. The current version is 5.3 and was the first to be given the name of 5-stable. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Question reg. FreeBSD filesystem size
What is the maximum supported size for a single filesystem under Release 4.11 and under 5.3? Thanks! Sam Farmer Systems Engineer Cambridge Computer Services, Inc. Artists in Data Storage Tel: 781-250-3212 Fax: 781-250-3312 www.cambridgecomputer.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Adding an usb harddisk
I want to add an usb harddisk. Acoording to fdisk it's formatted as a NTFS/HPFS/QNX disk Can I add this disk and still using this file system? What kind of dev/fstab do I need to add? Do I need an extra swap slice? How to make one? I'm using FreeBSD 4.11. Thank you Jack Raats ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: groff/font/devX100 segfault in make installworld
Okay, so, no response initially, hopefully you guys won't mind some quicker and more specific followups, then. I just reinstalled again, followed only the steps I documented below (minus the vim portupgrade installs), and had identical results. This time, however, I tried changing the tag in my cvs-supfile from RELENG_5_3 to RELENG_5 and was able to successfully rebuild the source tree, but I know I tried that to no avail when I first encountered this problem a few months ago, and I'm not sure why it worked now (to be sure I then rolled it back to RELENG_5_3, saw the same problem, and successfully switched back to RELENG_5 again). But, ideally, I'd like to keep my production servers on RELENG_5_3 so that the only regular changes should be security patches (of course, these are exactly the kinds of surprises I was hoping to avoid by sticking with RELENG_5_3). So, my questions: 1) Was this not the best place to post a question like this? If not, I apologize, but where would have been more appropriate? 2) Was I not following the instructions/documentation properly for upgrading my system after install? (I got most of it initially from a series of Dru Lavigne articles on Oreilly, but followed up by reading the relevant portions of the handbook as well.) 3) If it does appear I was doing things properly, should I report this somewhere as a possible problem? I have been able to repeatedly reproduce this on multiple computers (though identical in hardware) across the span of at least 3 months (updating the source tree minutes before trying, each time), many of which were completely fresh installs. 4) Is there some way I could make the buildworld/installworld just skip at least the devX100 font if not all of groff in order to avoid this problem? Obviously that approach could be a problem for many other programs, but groff doesn't seem worth worrying over if it's preventing me from keeping my system patched. Or, if that's not a good idea, what might be a better work around? Thanks again! Tom Tom Trelvik wrote: So I ran into this problem a few months ago when I first started setting up a couple new servers. At the time I found one person online who'd had a very similar sounding problem some time before that, and he said it had gone away on its own for him, and that he suspected it was something corrupt in the source tree. I moved /usr/src out of the way and tried to cvsup a fresh source tree, and things started working. But now, it looks like I had just gotten lucky somehow. I've reinstalled one of those systems and the same issue cropped back up again, and I'm at a loss as to what to do about it this time. Pretty much all I did was install the User distribution set from 5.3-RELEASE-amd64-miniinst.iso and then installed bash2, sudo, screen, vim (NO_GUI=yes), portupgrade, cvsup-without-gui from ports (not that I expect those to matter, I'm just trying to be thorough since I did so little that I can think of that might affect this). I then created the following cvs-supfile: $ cat /root/cvs-supfile *default host=cvsup12.FreeBSD.org *default base=/var/db *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_5_3 *default delete use-rel-suffix *default compress src-all ports-all tag=. and ran the following commands: # cd /usr/src \ cvsup -g -L 2 /root/cvs-supfile \ make buildworld \ make buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC \ make installkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC \ make installworld and the make installworld ends with this segfault: === gnu/usr.bin/groff/doc install-info --quiet --defsection=Miscellaneous --defentry= groff.info /usr/s hare/info/dir install -o root -g wheel -m 444 groff.info.gz /usr/share/info === gnu/usr.bin/groff/font === gnu/usr.bin/groff/font/devX100 Segmentation fault (core dumped) *** Error code 139 I tried moving /usr/src out of the way again, and cvsup'ing a fresh source tree again, but to no avail, and I'm once again at a loss, and not really sure how to diagnose what's causing this. I don't suppose anyone has any suggestions or pointers? Thanks a ton, I really appreciate it! Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Can't get anything better than 800x600 resolution
I just got an Nvida PCI GeForce FX card, installed the NVIDIA drivers correctly (it loads), did an xorgconfig, and made the appropriate changed in xorg.conf. I have a DefaultDepth 24 line and under depth 24 I have Modes 1024 x768 etc... However, when I load X, it loads at 800x600 and I can't up its resolution in GNOME nor can I up in on my keyboard with the numeric +/- keys. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
disappearance of /dev/mem
Hello all I have a big problem since the upgrade of 5.2 towards 5.3. The file /dev/mem does not exist any more in /dev and thus all the programs using this file does not function any more. There of another person is who has the concern. Thank you very much for your assistance. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Make fails because of missing library but I can see it's there, why???
On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 12:42:55AM -0800, Mark Jayson Alvarez wrote: Hi, This always happens to me whenever I'm compiling third party applications. Make fails because it says that it cannot find a certain library.. and when I try to search for that file, I usually finds it. For example, I'm compiling, nagios-plugins but it fails with this error messages: check_ldap.c:31:18: lber.h: No such file or directory check_ldap.c:32:18: ldap.h: No such file or directory but when I run: # find / -name ldap.h -print /usr/lib/ldap.h /usr/local/lib/ldap.h /usr/local/include/ldap.h noc# find / -name lber.h -print /usr/lib/lber.h /usr/local/lib/lber.h /usr/local/include/lber.h See.. it's all there! I'm thinking perhaps there's a way for me to tell a compiler that the system wide library files are found in that certain directory. Any idea?? You need to specify -I and -L with gcc to point to location of files outside the default search path (which is /usr/include and /usr/lib respectively). Kris P.S. You've polluted the base system with those headers (/usr/lib) which may cause you problems later on. pgpOZ2gDLjW1n.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Messed up my ports - Can't find the `5.1-RELEASE' distribution on this FTP server.
On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 04:14:32PM +0100, Joachim Dagerot wrote: I have probably done something sometime on my 2 year+ server installation that wrecked my port installation. Whenever I try to install a port I get the Can't find the `5.1-RELEASE' distribution on this FTP server. the same goes with sysinstall - configure - Distributions I have tried multiple servers including the main. With the same result. I really don't know what to do. Any help is appreciated! The old 5.1-RELEASE is no longer carried on many mirrors because of space reasons. Look for another one with http://mirrorlist.freebsd.org. Kris pgpXEEWJ4OmhO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: groff/font/devX100 segfault in make installworld
Bah, I knew I'd forget something ...
Tom Trelvik wrote:
{...}
So, my questions:
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5) Is there documentation I haven't found on how to go about diagnosing
a problem such as this? I was very surprised my problem was not in the
build stage, but the actual install stage, which made me wonder if it
might be something as simple as a permission problem, but I have no idea
where to look for what.
Thanks again,
Tom
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Re: disappearance of /dev/mem
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 10:00:51PM +0100, St?phane Le Maure wrote: Hello all I have a big problem since the upgrade of 5.2 towards 5.3. The file /dev/mem does not exist any more in /dev and thus all the programs using this file does not function any more. There of another person is who has the concern. Thank you very much for your assistance. Add 'device mem' to your kernel (you probably also want 'device io'). In general, read /usr/src/UPDATING whenever you update your system. Kris pgpdXhDQBfhlP.pgp Description: PGP signature
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RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!
At 12:50 AM -0800 2/10/05, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: It is clear from reading both lists that much of the anger is based upon false assumptions, misinformation and incomplete editing of the leaked document. Sorry, but that is false. Much of the anger is based on Robert Watson (and whatever other core members are arguing with him over this) not IMMEDIATELY becoming completely forthright with the FreeBSD community as soon as the leak occurred. Geez. Get real. One committer had *just* put up the site, and then other committers were given a chance to look it over and see if it all made sense. We wanted to given all committers a chance to cross-check it, and make sure we didn't forget to say anything important. What is up there right now is nothing more than a first draft. As far as I know, Robert responded on the same day that I found out that this rough-draft site had been mentioned in public. It's not like we've had six months of denials, with press-reporters hounding Robert every night on the evening news. Perhaps it was announced on slashdot a few days earlier, but frankly, I (for one) never read slashdot. That is not any conspiracy, it is simply that I don't have the time. I (for one) did not know the contest's web site was leaked until the article showed up at the bsdnews.com site. BSDnews. I work on BSD operating systems, so that's the web site that I read. I am deeply concerned with what I see going on here. Since when has the FreeBSD Project had secret information of a sales and marketing nature? This is a brand new one to me. What a crazy thing to say. The whole purpose of this web site was to announce a PUBLIC CONTEST for ANYONE to submit their ideas for a possible new logo. Once we DID announce it, the public would have had 1-3 months to hash out whatever they wanted to hash out. (One of the reasons we had not already announced this web site is that we were still deciding how long that period should be. It started as one month, but I think now we're thinking maybe two or two-and-a-half months). I can condone secrets in the area of leaglities - such as back in the bad old days when UCB was sued by USL, there were many secrets, a few that I and some others were able to ferret out but still many buried, and still some people under gag orders. Man, you must see a lot of black helicopters every day you walk to work. It is not a deep dark secret to proof-read a web site before ANNOUNCING TO EVERYONE that they might WIN MONEY(!!) by reading that web site. Geez. I proof-read this message before I post it, and I'm only replying to comments from one moron with black helicopters flying out of his ass. How much more time should be spent proof- reading a public site which we intend to point everyone at? Yes I understand that some commercial consultants and such have had problems due to the logo being a devil image. But if Robert Watson had wanted to respond to this then he should have brought it up for discussion with the userbase immediately, not sneaked around talking to his cronies at Apple Computer, trying to figure out how to push this off onto the userbase in a way that people wouldn't object to doing so. It is apparent that you are not interested in any facts, but Robert was not one of the main promoters of this idea. In fact, I don't remember him saying much of anything about it at the time we (FreeBSD committers) were debating it. This logo competition is childish - 99% of the FreeBSD community members are not graphic artists and couldn't draw their way out of a paper bag - such a competition does not have as it's goal that of obtaining an image, it's only goal is assuaging pissed off people by pretending that they have a hand in the decision. More black helicopters. Geez. I expect all the submissions will be public, and then we (the committers) will pick the one we like the best. It is unquestionably true that I (for one) have no artistic talent. However, that does not mean that I can not possibly know anyone who makes a full-time living as a well-paid graphic artist. Nope. That simply must not be possible, even though RPI offers a degree in Electronic Arts. And therefore it absolutely *must* be true that this contest will come up with a hand-drawn stick-figure logo. And it *must* be true that we've already picked that pathetic logo, and we're just announcing this contest as a cover story. Yep. It must be true. Ted says so. What a stupid position to take. [aside: a few years ago I paid one of my friends to draw up an idea I had for a logo, using malamutes, but we never did come up with something that we were really happy with. So nothing became of that. But he has drawn up other very nice things for me. So just because I cannot draw, does not mean I cannot find anyone to draw for me...] You might remember that the bsdnews.com site used to have a very nicely drawn cartoon strip. Extremely well drawn, IMO. It is a pity that you apparently don't get out enough to meet
RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!
At 12:50 AM -0800 2/10/05, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
No, sorry. The core team apparently feels that the way to do things
now is to made decisions of this nature first, then have discussion
later, rather than the reverse which previously has been the case.
This contest came out because the developers who actually work on
freebsd had a very energetic debate on the topic. Core stepped in
before we started throwing pies at each other, and came up with
this idea: *Keep* Beastie as the official mascot, but then have a
PUBLIC CONTEST
open to EVERYONE
to see if we might also come up with some alternate logo.
However, as the core team as apparently represented by R Watson
has stated they want to consider this internally first, then
just tell the userbase what they are going to do later on, I
say screw you, and I'll argue and fight against this topic for
years.
How silly. Internally means among all the committers who spend
their time, effort, and money making commits to the FreeBSD project.
It does not mean Robert Watson talked to his navel, and they agreed
on this course of action.
The actual developers. The people you pretend to respect, unless
anyone one of them has a single idea which might disagree with you.
While you seem determined to pretend that Robert Watson is somehow
the sole person interested in this, let me note I am one of the
FreeBSD committers who would like to see some new ideas for a logo.
Now if nothing particularly special comes from this contest, then
fine, at least we *tried*. But apparently you think we're not even
supposed to try.
Why would I like some other logo? Because in addition to committing
the occasional patch to FreeBSD (totalling some 500+ commits), I do
public presentations to groups of non-FreeBSD'ers about FreeBSD. I
am trying to promote FreeBSD -- THE OPERATING SYSTEM -- and I am
tired of spending my time explaining some cartoon character. I am
in this project because of the quality of the operating system, and
NOT because I have some deranged need to defend some in joke about
daemons.
As I said on the committers mailing list when we were debating this
topic: The beastie icon does *not* separate close-minded people
from open-minded people. It does *not* separate the religious
people from non-religious people. It does not even separate
Christian people from non-Christian people. The only thing
that logo does is separate People who already know Unix from
People who have never heard of a daemon process. It is nothing
more than an in joke, where we can feel smug about how smart
we are when some poor goober is stupid enough to ask So why do
you use some cute-looking demon for your icon?.
When I have done public presentations for FreeBSD, I have never had
anyone reject FreeBSD because of the deamon. Not once. And if I
am talking to a group of Unix-people, I don't even have to explain
the beastie icon.
On the other hand, I do sometimes get people who have no experience
with Unix. And those people will look at me like I am still some
kid trying to defend the Major Matt Mason as being an action figure
instead of a doll. Their attitude is Okay -- so unix has these
things called a 'daemon process' -- but I still don't get why is it
so important that your icon must be this cartoon. They would have
the exact same attitude if we happened to call those processes 'a buzz
process', and then made our icon be Buzz Lightyear. The religious
connotation is not relevant, because most the people I talk to are
simply not all that religious. And yet they still look at me like
I am nuts when I am explaining the logo, and I see no reason I should
continue to waste my time giving people a lesson in the history of
the word 'daemon'. I am a programmer, not a teacher of linguistics
or word-history.
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Re: Secure file transfers
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Gregor Mosheh wrote: I had a similar, perhaps related question. I'm making backups via tar to a SMB server, but I would rather use sftp/scp for it (the NAS supports both SMB and scp/sftp). I don't have enough disk space to make the backup to a tarchive and then scp that tarchive. Is there a way to make scp/sftp read from a pipe or stdin, rather than specific filenames? The docs haven't mentioned it, but since the subject came up I thought it worth asking... Hmm the other way round is easy enough, scp [EMAIL PROTECTED]:foo.tar.gz /dev/stdout | tar -ztf - and either way with full ssh tar -zcf - * |ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] cat foo.tar.gz cat foo.tar.gz |ssh jhary:10.0.0.1 tar -zxf - I hope some of this might help as i cant think of a way to do as you want. Vince --- Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Danie Du Toit writes: Which packages are available to upload /download large dumpfiles in a secure fashion (e.g. using SSL). The customer should not need any secure client installed on his PC. Anything that is secure will require appropriate software at both ends of the transfer, and thus will require some sort of security-aware client on the customer's PC. SFTP provides secure file transfers. I use SecureFX on my client machine, and the standard SFTP server on the FreeBSD server. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
