Re: No keyboard after ports update, 2x moused_enable=YES culprit

2011-05-16 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 15 May 2011 12:18:28 -0700, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com 
wrote:
 I wish I could figure
 out what dependency wanted HAL to be installed so I could remove it.

I would assume that the HAL dependency may be required by
some deeper-inside Gnome part that is used by Gimp, maybe
a part of the Gtk+ library... I'm not sure it's trivial to
find out which one it is.


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Re: CD Boot to install hangs

2011-05-16 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 15 May 2011 17:28:18 -0700, Alexander Lardner linuxtu...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 Hello,
 I am re-asking as it's rather urgent.
 I have burned a CD of PowerPC 8.2 to install on my old iMac G3.
 It boots, but it stops at the line that reads:
 
 acd0: DVDROM MATSHITADVD-ROM SR-8184/AA32 at ata0-slave UDMA33
 
 What the heck does that mean, and why does it get stuck?

This line is the kernel message identifying the optical
drive of your iMac, which is connected to the 1st ATA
controller as slave drive (and I assume the master drive
will be the hard disk, watch for ad0 message).



 More importantly, how do I fix it?

I'm not sure, I sadly don't own iHardware. Maybe check
cables of optical drive?

At least the kernel boots - that's good for the beginning. :-)



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Re: VIMAGE in fbsd 9.0

2011-05-16 Thread Nikos Vassiliadis

On 5/15/2011 7:49 PM, Fbsd8 wrote:

What is the current status of VIMAGE in Freebsd 9.0?


I *think* all VIMAGE related code in 9.0 has been merged to 8-STABLE.
It is still tagged experimental. Most things work. Is there something
that doesn't work for you?


Is VIMAGE going to be included in the basic 9.0 release as part of the
default kernel?


Speaking unofficially, VIMAGE will not be in the GENERIC kernel for
9.0-RELEASE. It will be tagged stable first, remain an optional feature
for some time and then I think there is the possibility of appearing in
the GENERIC kernel. I believe that's not going to happen soon, if ever.

Nikos
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adding new disk 2TB, gpt?

2011-05-16 Thread n dhert
I have a running FreeBSD-8.2-amd system,
FreeBSD was installed in jan 2009 (then FreeBSD 7.0), which a fisk disk of
200 GB
for /, swap /usr /var /tmp.
Later that month, I added a 9 TB disk using /sbin/gpt
(since sysinstall uses bsdlabel/fdisk, it can't create disks larger than 2
TB)

I want to add an extra 2TB disk... and thought to use gpt again as I did in
the past ..

The FreeBSD book (in its 2011 version), section 18.3 still refers to using
gpt for disks 2TB
but the link gpt(8) leads to nowhere and /sbin/gpt no longer exists in
FreeBSD !

There seem to be two alternatives:
1) /sbin/gpart, of which the man page is quite similar to what gpt used to
be, but tells me
it is ''for disk partitoning GEOM class,
whereas gpt man pages (in 2009) said: gpt - GUID partition table
maintenance utility.

2) a port sysutils/gdisk of which the Long Description says:
 Edit GUID partition table (GPT) definitions in Linux, FreeBSD, MacOS X or
Windows
but its web site shows a completely different command line interface, not
resembling the old gpt at all..

What is exactly that difference between GEOM and GUID ?
I'd like to have things as similar as possible ..
Can I use /sbin/gpart for the extra 9 GB disk ? or do I have to stick with
GUID and use gdisk ?
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Re: No keyboard after ports update, 2x moused_enable=YES culprit

2011-05-16 Thread Daniel Staal

--As of May 16, 2011 10:00:38 AM +0200, Polytropon is alleged to have said:


On Sun, 15 May 2011 12:18:28 -0700, Chip Camden
sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote:

I wish I could figure
out what dependency wanted HAL to be installed so I could remove it.


I would assume that the HAL dependency may be required by
some deeper-inside Gnome part that is used by Gimp, maybe
a part of the Gtk+ library... I'm not sure it's trivial to
find out which one it is.


--As for the rest, it is mine.

Sure it is:

cd /usr/ports/sysutils/hal
make deinstall

It will list what ports require it.  ;)

Daniel T. Staal

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Re: CD Boot to install hangs

2011-05-16 Thread Warren Block

On Mon, 16 May 2011, Polytropon wrote:


On Sun, 15 May 2011 17:28:18 -0700, Alexander Lardner linuxtu...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Hello,
I am re-asking as it's rather urgent.
I have burned a CD of PowerPC 8.2 to install on my old iMac G3.
It boots, but it stops at the line that reads:

acd0: DVDROM MATSHITADVD-ROM SR-8184/AA32 at ata0-slave UDMA33

What the heck does that mean, and why does it get stuck?


This line is the kernel message identifying the optical
drive of your iMac, which is connected to the 1st ATA
controller as slave drive (and I assume the master drive
will be the hard disk, watch for ad0 message).


More importantly, how do I fix it?


I'm not sure, I sadly don't own iHardware. Maybe check
cables of optical drive?


It could be the next step that is a problem, whatever comes after the CD 
device detection on a G3.  On i386, that includes launching other 
processors and USB device detection.

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Re: No keyboard after ports update, 2x moused_enable=YES culprit

2011-05-16 Thread Warren Block

On Mon, 16 May 2011, Daniel Staal wrote:


--As of May 16, 2011 10:00:38 AM +0200, Polytropon is alleged to have said:


On Sun, 15 May 2011 12:18:28 -0700, Chip Camden
sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote:

I wish I could figure
out what dependency wanted HAL to be installed so I could remove it.


I would assume that the HAL dependency may be required by
some deeper-inside Gnome part that is used by Gimp, maybe
a part of the Gtk+ library... I'm not sure it's trivial to
find out which one it is.


--As for the rest, it is mine.

Sure it is:

cd /usr/ports/sysutils/hal
make deinstall

It will list what ports require it.  ;)


pkg_info -R hal\* will show the same list without actually deinstalling 
it.


But some or most of those don't directly depend on hal, they depend on 
something else that depends on hal.  It would be nice to easily find the 
root few.  xorg-server can be set to not use hal.  Then rebuild the 
keyboard, mouse, and video drivers.


One problem with getting rid of hal entirely is libgnomeui, which 
depends on gvfs, which depends on gnome-mount, which depends on hal.

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Re: No keyboard after ports update, 2x moused_enable=YES culprit

2011-05-16 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Daniel Staal on Monday, 16 May 2011:
 --As of May 16, 2011 10:00:38 AM +0200, Polytropon is alleged to have said:
 
 On Sun, 15 May 2011 12:18:28 -0700, Chip Camden
 sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote:
 I wish I could figure
 out what dependency wanted HAL to be installed so I could remove it.
 
 I would assume that the HAL dependency may be required by
 some deeper-inside Gnome part that is used by Gimp, maybe
 a part of the Gtk+ library... I'm not sure it's trivial to
 find out which one it is.
 
 --As for the rest, it is mine.
 
 Sure it is:
 
 cd /usr/ports/sysutils/hal
 make deinstall
 
 It will list what ports require it.  ;)
 
 Daniel T. Staal
 

A less destructive way to get the same info is

pkg_info -R hal-0.5.14_13

and 'portversion -v hal' can be used to get the specific version
installed.

After some more investigation, it appears that gnome-mount is the
culprit.  I'm looking into how to exclude that from the consumer apps.

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GL811e usb chipset

2011-05-16 Thread Chris Whitehouse
Hi, does anyone know if the GL811e chipset is supported in 8.2R? It's 
supposed to be common in external usb hard disk and optical disk drives.


It's not mentioned in the hardware notes and google didn't turn up much.

thanks

Chris
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Re: No keyboard after ports update, 2x moused_enable=YES culprit

2011-05-16 Thread Eitan Adler
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:00 AM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
 On Sun, 15 May 2011 12:18:28 -0700, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com 
 wrote:
 I wish I could figure
 out what dependency wanted HAL to be installed so I could remove it.

 I would assume that the HAL dependency may be required by
 some deeper-inside Gnome part that is used by Gimp, maybe
 a part of the Gtk+ library... I'm not sure it's trivial to
 find out which one it is.

Also see ports-mgmt/pkg_tree
pkg_tree -v is quite useful.



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Re: No keyboard after ports update, 2x moused_enable=YES culprit

2011-05-16 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Warren Block on Monday, 16 May 2011:
 On Mon, 16 May 2011, Daniel Staal wrote:
 
 --As of May 16, 2011 10:00:38 AM +0200, Polytropon is alleged to have said:
 
 On Sun, 15 May 2011 12:18:28 -0700, Chip Camden
 sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote:
 I wish I could figure
 out what dependency wanted HAL to be installed so I could remove it.
 
 I would assume that the HAL dependency may be required by
 some deeper-inside Gnome part that is used by Gimp, maybe
 a part of the Gtk+ library... I'm not sure it's trivial to
 find out which one it is.
 
 --As for the rest, it is mine.
 
 Sure it is:
 
 cd /usr/ports/sysutils/hal
 make deinstall
 
 It will list what ports require it.  ;)
 
 pkg_info -R hal\* will show the same list without actually deinstalling 
 it.
 
 But some or most of those don't directly depend on hal, they depend on 
 something else that depends on hal.  It would be nice to easily find the 
 root few.  xorg-server can be set to not use hal.  Then rebuild the 
 keyboard, mouse, and video drivers.
 
 One problem with getting rid of hal entirely is libgnomeui, which 
 depends on gvfs, which depends on gnome-mount, which depends on hal.

Yes, that seems to be the sticking point.  The only option appears to be
doing without gimp, gnumeric, and dia, which all depend upon libgnomeui.
Any Gnome-free alternatives out there?

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Slightly OT: Hardware For FreeNAS

2011-05-16 Thread Tim Daneliuk
Slightly OT, but since it's based on FreeBSD, I thought I'd start
here...

Can anyone recommend a good hardware platform (components) around
which to build a FreeNAS server?  The important non-functional
requirements are:

1) Quiet to the point of silent.
2) Reliable/redundant


TIA,


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Re: No keyboard after ports update, 2x moused_enable=YES culprit

2011-05-16 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 16 May 2011 11:14:49 -0700, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com 
wrote:
 Quoth Warren Block on Monday, 16 May 2011:
  One problem with getting rid of hal entirely is libgnomeui, which 
  depends on gvfs, which depends on gnome-mount, which depends on hal.

That's what I did assume.



 Yes, that seems to be the sticking point.  The only option appears to be
 doing without gimp, gnumeric, and dia, which all depend upon libgnomeui.
 Any Gnome-free alternatives out there?

Let's see: Gimp - Krita (KDE) or InkScape? Gnumeric - KOffice
(if you're already on KDE), OpenOffice, LibreOffice, StarOffice
(or add any other possible *Office to the mix). And dia... I
have to admit that I don't know what this is. :-)

Maybe, just MAYBE, the gnome-mount dependency can be installed
without requiring HAL. I don't know much about the details, but
HAL has been said to be the means for automounting local media,
and maybe is in conjuction with Samba. If you can disable such
functionality via make config for the gnome-mount port, MAYBE
there is a chance to avoid HAL in this specific case.




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Re: No keyboard after ports update, 2x moused_enable=YES culprit

2011-05-16 Thread Warren Block

On Mon, 16 May 2011, Polytropon wrote:


Maybe, just MAYBE, the gnome-mount dependency can be installed
without requiring HAL. I don't know much about the details, but
HAL has been said to be the means for automounting local media,
and maybe is in conjuction with Samba. If you can disable such
functionality via make config for the gnome-mount port, MAYBE
there is a chance to avoid HAL in this specific case.


gnome-mount is specifically for hal.  OTOH, the Linux guys have been 
working on removing hal, and gvfs has a promising --disable-hal option 
I'm testing now.

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Re: adding new disk 2TB, gpt?

2011-05-16 Thread Robert Simmons
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:27 AM, n dhert ndhert...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have a running FreeBSD-8.2-amd system,
 FreeBSD was installed in jan 2009 (then FreeBSD 7.0), which a fisk disk of
 200 GB
 for /, swap /usr /var /tmp.
 Later that month, I added a 9 TB disk using /sbin/gpt
 (since sysinstall uses bsdlabel/fdisk, it can't create disks larger than 2
 TB)

 I want to add an extra 2TB disk... and thought to use gpt again as I did in
 the past ..

 The FreeBSD book (in its 2011 version), section 18.3 still refers to using
 gpt for disks 2TB
 but the link gpt(8) leads to nowhere and /sbin/gpt no longer exists in
 FreeBSD !

 There seem to be two alternatives:
 1) /sbin/gpart, of which the man page is quite similar to what gpt used to
 be, but tells me
 it is ''for disk partitoning GEOM class,
 whereas gpt man pages (in 2009) said: gpt - GUID partition table
 maintenance utility.

 2) a port sysutils/gdisk of which the Long Description says:
  Edit GUID partition table (GPT) definitions in Linux, FreeBSD, MacOS X or
 Windows
 but its web site shows a completely different command line interface, not
 resembling the old gpt at all..

 What is exactly that difference between GEOM and GUID ?
 I'd like to have things as similar as possible ..
 Can I use /sbin/gpart for the extra 9 GB disk ? or do I have to stick with
 GUID and use gdisk ?

gpart create -s gpt ad0
is the command you want to use.  Just replace ad0 with your device
node. Also, gpart show will give a list of slices and partitions.
You will then want to do:
gpart add -s size -t type ad0
The size and type syntax are in the gpart man page.
If you want it bootable you will need a small partition at the
beginning of the disk:
gpart add -s 128k -t freebsd-boot ad0
gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptboot -i 1 ad0

You may adjust the size to shrink it to exactly fit the files, but I
think if you're working in TBs you can spare a few wasted k.

I submitted a PR to get the handbook updated to reflect gpart(8).

Cheers,
Rob
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Re: No keyboard after ports update, 2x moused_enable=YES culprit

2011-05-16 Thread Chad Perrin
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:14:49AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote:
 
 Yes, that seems to be the sticking point.  The only option appears to be
 doing without gimp, gnumeric, and dia, which all depend upon libgnomeui.
 Any Gnome-free alternatives out there?

I don't use anything like gnumeric or dia, generally, but an alternative
to GIMP is Cinepaint.  I don't *think* it requires libgnomeui.  It has
some, err, quirks, but they're trade-offs rather than pure negatives,
because Cinepaint does a number of things better than the GIMP.  Among
the things it does better are start and operate quickly; where the GIMP
often takes an interminably long time to do simple things (like open an
image), Cinepaint is pretty snappy by comparison.  The interface is
occasionally a bit glitchy, though.

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Re: No keyboard after ports update, 2x moused_enable=YES culprit

2011-05-16 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Chad Perrin on Monday, 16 May 2011:
 On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:14:49AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote:
  
  Yes, that seems to be the sticking point.  The only option appears to be
  doing without gimp, gnumeric, and dia, which all depend upon libgnomeui.
  Any Gnome-free alternatives out there?
 
 I don't use anything like gnumeric or dia, generally, but an alternative
 to GIMP is Cinepaint.  I don't *think* it requires libgnomeui.  It has
 some, err, quirks, but they're trade-offs rather than pure negatives,
 because Cinepaint does a number of things better than the GIMP.  Among
 the things it does better are start and operate quickly; where the GIMP
 often takes an interminably long time to do simple things (like open an
 image), Cinepaint is pretty snappy by comparison.  The interface is
 occasionally a bit glitchy, though.
 
 -- 
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Thanks, I'll take a look at it!

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Re: No keyboard after ports update, 2x moused_enable=YES culprit

2011-05-16 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Chad Perrin on Monday, 16 May 2011:
 On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:14:49AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote:
  
  Yes, that seems to be the sticking point.  The only option appears to be
  doing without gimp, gnumeric, and dia, which all depend upon libgnomeui.
  Any Gnome-free alternatives out there?
 
 I don't use anything like gnumeric or dia, generally, but an alternative
 to GIMP is Cinepaint.  I don't *think* it requires libgnomeui.  It has
 some, err, quirks, but they're trade-offs rather than pure negatives,
 because Cinepaint does a number of things better than the GIMP.  Among
 the things it does better are start and operate quickly; where the GIMP
 often takes an interminably long time to do simple things (like open an
 image), Cinepaint is pretty snappy by comparison.  The interface is
 occasionally a bit glitchy, though.
 
 -- 
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Looks like cinepaint doesn't have any GNOME dependencies, and also no HAL
dependency.  Now if I can just learn how to do everything I know how to
do in GIMP, I'll be set for that piece.

I don't use dia very often (it's for diagrams).  Gnumeric I use more
frequently (for spreadsheets).  I hate having to start up that monolithic
libreoffice just to do a spreadsheet, but that would be a HAL-free alternative.

Thanks to everyone who has responded so far.

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Input file for shutdown warning?

2011-05-16 Thread Alexander Lardner
Hello,
Is it possible to do something like this:

shutdown -p now /root/somefile

How would I do that, or is it even possible?
Thanks,
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Re: Input file for shutdown warning?

2011-05-16 Thread RW
On Mon, 16 May 2011 17:38:21 -0700
Alexander Lardner linuxtu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,
 Is it possible to do something like this:
 
 shutdown -p now /root/somefile
 
 How would I do that, or is it even possible?

According to the man page it is.
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Re: Input file for shutdown warning?

2011-05-16 Thread RW
On 17 May 2011 01:24:56 -
John Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote:

 In article 20110517021633.26b47...@gumby.homeunix.com you write:
 On Mon, 16 May 2011 17:38:21 -0700
 Alexander Lardner linuxtu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hello,
  Is it possible to do something like this:
  
  shutdown -p now /root/somefile
 
  # shutdown - -p now  /root/somefile
 

shutdown  -p now -  /root/somefile
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Re: Input file for shutdown warning?

2011-05-16 Thread John Levine
In article 20110517021633.26b47...@gumby.homeunix.com you write:
On Mon, 16 May 2011 17:38:21 -0700
Alexander Lardner linuxtu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,
 Is it possible to do something like this:
 
 shutdown -p now /root/somefile

 # shutdown - -p now  /root/somefile

If you had read the man page, you would already know that.

R's,
John
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Re: No keyboard after ports update, 2x moused_enable=YES culprit

2011-05-16 Thread Warren Block

On Mon, 16 May 2011, Chip Camden wrote:


Looks like cinepaint doesn't have any GNOME dependencies, and also no HAL
dependency.  Now if I can just learn how to do everything I know how to
do in GIMP, I'll be set for that piece.

I don't use dia very often (it's for diagrams).  Gnumeric I use more
frequently (for spreadsheets).  I hate having to start up that monolithic
libreoffice just to do a spreadsheet, but that would be a HAL-free alternative.


I just submitted ports/157096 with a patch to build gvfs without HAL 
support:


http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=157096

Very lightly tested, but no problems so far.
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