restore /usr dump on two hard disk parallel y

2013-04-24 Thread s m
hello guys
i'm trying to restore DUMP file for partition /usr on tow hard disk
parallel y. these two hard are connected to my system (i have freebsd8.2).
i use  restore command and it uses /tmp directory to restore dump. in
restoring dump process, two hard disks try to use /tmp directory of my
system. therefore conflict happened and restore command return error.
i try to use TMPDIR and define another tmp directory for one of my hard
disk but it does not identify it and use my system tmp directory yet.
please let me know if using TMPDIR is a good idea and how i can use it. if
not, how i can restore /usr dump file on two hard disk parallel y?
thanks in advance
sam
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Diskless question

2013-04-24 Thread Bernt Hansson

Hello list!

I have set up a diskless machine with 8.3-stable and i as a user can log 
in, but when I try to log in as root it won't work. How to resolv that 
issue. I have tried with and without password but the computer said no.

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Re: Diskless question

2013-04-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf

On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 10:18 +0200, Bernt Hansson wrote:
 I have set up a diskless machine with 8.3-stable and i as a user can log 
 in, but when I try to log in as root it won't work. How to resolv that 
 issue. I have tried with and without password but the computer said no.

Do you want to start a X session as root?
~/.xinitrc?

Or are you missing a root account and you even can't log in without X?


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Re: Diskless question

2013-04-24 Thread Steve O'Hara-Smith
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:18:59 +0200
Bernt Hansson b...@bananmonarki.se wrote:

 Hello list!
 
 I have set up a diskless machine with 8.3-stable and i as a user can log 
 in, but when I try to log in as root it won't work. How to resolv that 
 issue. I have tried with and without password but the computer said no.

Are you logging in on the console or by ssh ? By default ssh does
not allow root login, it can be enabled but you should read up on the
security implications carefully before enabling it. I would expect console
login to work fine.

As a general rule it is better to use sudo or su rather than
logging in as root, although for a single user system this doesn't really
make much difference.

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Re: Diskless question

2013-04-24 Thread Arthur Chance

On 04/24/13 09:18, Bernt Hansson wrote:

Hello list!

I have set up a diskless machine with 8.3-stable and i as a user can log
in, but when I try to log in as root it won't work. How to resolv that
issue. I have tried with and without password but the computer said no.


How did it say no? What does the entry for root in /etc/passwd say?

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Re: Diskless question

2013-04-24 Thread Bernt Hansson

2013-04-24 10:36, Ralf Mardorf skrev:


On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 10:18 +0200, Bernt Hansson wrote:

I have set up a diskless machine with 8.3-stable and i as a user can log
in, but when I try to log in as root it won't work. How to resolv that
issue. I have tried with and without password but the computer said no.


Do you want to start a X session as root?


No.


~/.xinitrc?

Or are you missing a root account and you even can't log in without X?


No X, only cli.
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Re: Diskless question

2013-04-24 Thread Bernt Hansson

2013-04-24 12:12, Steve O'Hara-Smith skrev:

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:18:59 +0200
Bernt Hansson b...@bananmonarki.se wrote:


Hello list!

I have set up a diskless machine with 8.3-stable and i as a user can log
in, but when I try to log in as root it won't work. How to resolv that
issue. I have tried with and without password but the computer said no.


Are you logging in on the console or by ssh ? By default ssh does
not allow root login, it can be enabled but you should read up on the
security implications carefully before enabling it. I would expect console
login to work fine.


I'm trying to login as root on the diskless machine. Console.


As a general rule it is better to use sudo or su rather than
logging in as root, although for a single user system this doesn't really
make much difference.


su does not work it sayes sorry.
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Re: Diskless question

2013-04-24 Thread Bernt Hansson

2013-04-24 12:30, Arthur Chance skrev:

On 04/24/13 09:18, Bernt Hansson wrote:

Hello list!

I have set up a diskless machine with 8.3-stable and i as a user can log
in, but when I try to log in as root it won't work. How to resolv that
issue. I have tried with and without password but the computer said no.


How did it say no? What does the entry for root in /etc/passwd say?


$su
Sorry

root:*:0:0:Charlie :/root:/bin/csh

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Re: Diskless question

2013-04-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 12:52 +0200, Bernt Hansson wrote:

 su does not work it sayes sorry.

polkit:*:562:root,$USER


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Re: Diskless question

2013-04-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 12:52 +0200, Bernt Hansson wrote:

 su does not work it sayes sorry.

Is the user in a group that does fulfil special permissions? Regarding
to Google results, the group for FreeBSD is wheel.


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Re: Diskless question

2013-04-24 Thread Arthur Chance

On 04/24/13 11:55, Bernt Hansson wrote:

2013-04-24 12:30, Arthur Chance skrev:

On 04/24/13 09:18, Bernt Hansson wrote:

Hello list!

I have set up a diskless machine with 8.3-stable and i as a user can log
in, but when I try to log in as root it won't work. How to resolv that
issue. I have tried with and without password but the computer said no.


How did it say no? What does the entry for root in /etc/passwd say?


$su
Sorry

root:*:0:0:Charlie :/root:/bin/csh



That's not logging in directly as root, that's using su as a normal 
user. Only members of wheel group can use su. Try logging in directly on 
the console as root. That should work unless you've marked the console 
as insecure or have an impossible password in /etc/master.passwd.


In the long run you need to add your normal user to wheel group so you 
can use su. Can you edit the diskless machine's /etc/group from the 
server that's supplying its disk(s)? In the days when I ran diskless 
systems I usually found it easier to work on the diskless systems' 
config files via the server.


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Re: Diskless question

2013-04-24 Thread Eduardo Morras
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:55:08 +0200
Bernt Hansson b...@bananmonarki.se wrote:

 2013-04-24 12:30, Arthur Chance skrev:
  On 04/24/13 09:18, Bernt Hansson wrote:
  Hello list!
 
  I have set up a diskless machine with 8.3-stable and i as a user can log
  in, but when I try to log in as root it won't work. How to resolv that
  issue. I have tried with and without password but the computer said no.
 
  How did it say no? What does the entry for root in /etc/passwd say?
 
 $su
 Sorry

Some shoots in the dark, shield your feet.

a)$su -
b)exist /root ?
c)can you boot in single user mode ?
d)exist /bin/csh ?

 root:*:0:0:Charlie :/root:/bin/csh
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Re: restore /usr dump on two hard disk parallel y

2013-04-24 Thread Lowell Gilbert
s m sam.gh1...@gmail.com writes:

 i'm trying to restore DUMP file for partition /usr on tow hard disk
 parallel y. these two hard are connected to my system (i have freebsd8.2).
 i use  restore command and it uses /tmp directory to restore dump. in
 restoring dump process, two hard disks try to use /tmp directory of my
 system. therefore conflict happened and restore command return error.
 i try to use TMPDIR and define another tmp directory for one of my hard
 disk but it does not identify it and use my system tmp directory yet.
 please let me know if using TMPDIR is a good idea and how i can use it. if
 not, how i can restore /usr dump file on two hard disk parallel y?

What do you want to do exactly? 

Do you want both disks together to be your new /usr/partition? In that
case, you want to set up some kind of RAID system with the two
disks. Start with the GEOM section in the handbook.

Do you want to end up with two partitions, each holding part of what the
/usr backup contains?  If that's what you're after, then the best
approach is probably to pick one subdirectory of /usr (/usr/local would
be an obvious choice) and restore everything *but* that to one of your
disks, then mount the other disk on the subdirectory and restore the
rest onto there. 

If your problem is just that the two restore operations are stepping on
each other's temporary files, then TMPDIR *should* take care of
that. You could show us more detail of how you run the restore
operations, or just run them one at a time instead of in parallel. 

I hope that helps.
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Re: Diskless question

2013-04-24 Thread Bernt Hansson



2013-04-24 13:21, Arthur Chance skrev:

On 04/24/13 11:55, Bernt Hansson wrote:

2013-04-24 12:30, Arthur Chance skrev:

On 04/24/13 09:18, Bernt Hansson wrote:

Hello list!

I have set up a diskless machine with 8.3-stable and i as a user can
log
in, but when I try to log in as root it won't work. How to resolv that
issue. I have tried with and without password but the computer said no.


How did it say no? What does the entry for root in /etc/passwd say?


$su
Sorry

root:*:0:0:Charlie :/root:/bin/csh



That's not logging in directly as root, that's using su as a normal
user. Only members of wheel group can use su. Try logging in directly on
the console as root. That should work unless you've marked the console
as insecure or have an impossible password in /etc/master.passwd.


I am a member of the wheel group.


In the long run you need to add your normal user to wheel group so you
can use su. Can you edit the diskless machine's /etc/group from the
server that's supplying its disk(s)? In the days when I ran diskless
systems I usually found it easier to work on the diskless systems'
config files via the server.


I have tried and my own password is easily changed via the server.

if i try, on the diskless,

Login: root
Password: password or none

Login incorrect
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Re: Diskless question

2013-04-24 Thread Bernt Hansson



2013-04-24 13:04, Ralf Mardorf skrev:

On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 12:52 +0200, Bernt Hansson wrote:


su does not work it sayes sorry.


Is the user in a group that does fulfil special permissions? Regarding
to Google results, the group for FreeBSD is wheel.


Yes the user is in the wheel group.
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Re: Diskless question

2013-04-24 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Bernt Hansson b...@bananmonarki.se writes:

 2013-04-24 12:30, Arthur Chance skrev:
 On 04/24/13 09:18, Bernt Hansson wrote:
 Hello list!

 I have set up a diskless machine with 8.3-stable and i as a user can log
 in, but when I try to log in as root it won't work. How to resolv that
 issue. I have tried with and without password but the computer said no.

 How did it say no? What does the entry for root in /etc/passwd say?

 $su
 Sorry

 root:*:0:0:Charlie :/root:/bin/csh
   ^
  / \

Root has no valid password. 

You'll need to go into single-user mode and either give it one or
install sudo and add your regular user to the sudoers file.
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Re: Diskless question

2013-04-24 Thread Trond Endrestøl
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 09:07-0400, Lowell Gilbert wrote:

 Bernt Hansson b...@bananmonarki.se writes:
 
  2013-04-24 12:30, Arthur Chance skrev:
  On 04/24/13 09:18, Bernt Hansson wrote:
  Hello list!
 
  I have set up a diskless machine with 8.3-stable and i as a user can log
  in, but when I try to log in as root it won't work. How to resolv that
  issue. I have tried with and without password but the computer said no.
 
  How did it say no? What does the entry for root in /etc/passwd say?
 
  $su
  Sorry
 
  root:*:0:0:Charlie :/root:/bin/csh
^
   / \
 
 Root has no valid password. 
 
 You'll need to go into single-user mode and either give it one or
 install sudo and add your regular user to the sudoers file.

Why look at the /etc/passwd file when the key files are:

* /etc/master.passwd
* /etc/spwd.db
* /etc/passwd
* /etc/pwd.db

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Re: Diskless question

2013-04-24 Thread Arthur Chance

On 04/24/13 14:07, Lowell Gilbert wrote:

Bernt Hansson b...@bananmonarki.se writes:


2013-04-24 12:30, Arthur Chance skrev:

On 04/24/13 09:18, Bernt Hansson wrote:

Hello list!

I have set up a diskless machine with 8.3-stable and i as a user can log
in, but when I try to log in as root it won't work. How to resolv that
issue. I have tried with and without password but the computer said no.


How did it say no? What does the entry for root in /etc/passwd say?


$su
Sorry

root:*:0:0:Charlie :/root:/bin/csh

^
   / \

Root has no valid password.

You'll need to go into single-user mode and either give it one or
install sudo and add your regular user to the sudoers file.


No, that's from /etc/passwd which never shows any real password 
information. The true password field is in /etc/master.passwd and I'm 
not going to ask anyone to show that here. However, the OP should check 
it's got a valid looking field value rather than just a '*'



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Re: Diskless question

2013-04-24 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Arthur Chance free...@qeng-ho.org writes:

 On 04/24/13 14:07, Lowell Gilbert wrote:

 No, that's from /etc/passwd which never shows any real password
 information. The true password field is in /etc/master.passwd and I'm
 not going to ask anyone to show that here. However, the OP should
 check it's got a valid looking field value rather than just a '*'

Oops. Right.
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Re: Diskless question

2013-04-24 Thread Bernt Hansson

2013-04-24 15:07, Lowell Gilbert skrev:

Bernt Hansson b...@bananmonarki.se writes:


2013-04-24 12:30, Arthur Chance skrev:

On 04/24/13 09:18, Bernt Hansson wrote:

Hello list!

I have set up a diskless machine with 8.3-stable and i as a user can log
in, but when I try to log in as root it won't work. How to resolv that
issue. I have tried with and without password but the computer said no.


How did it say no? What does the entry for root in /etc/passwd say?


$su
Sorry

root:*:0:0:Charlie :/root:/bin/csh

^
   / \

Root has no valid password.


Well. The user can login, root can not.


You'll need to go into single-user mode and either give it one or
install sudo and add your regular user to the sudoers file.



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Re: Diskless question

2013-04-24 Thread Arthur Chance

On 04/24/13 13:45, Bernt Hansson wrote:



2013-04-24 13:21, Arthur Chance skrev:

On 04/24/13 11:55, Bernt Hansson wrote:

2013-04-24 12:30, Arthur Chance skrev:

On 04/24/13 09:18, Bernt Hansson wrote:

Hello list!

I have set up a diskless machine with 8.3-stable and i as a user can
log
in, but when I try to log in as root it won't work. How to resolv that
issue. I have tried with and without password but the computer said
no.


How did it say no? What does the entry for root in /etc/passwd say?


$su
Sorry

root:*:0:0:Charlie :/root:/bin/csh



That's not logging in directly as root, that's using su as a normal
user. Only members of wheel group can use su. Try logging in directly on
the console as root. That should work unless you've marked the console
as insecure or have an impossible password in /etc/master.passwd.


I am a member of the wheel group.


Curious, I would have expected the su to work. Time for a quick look at 
the source.



In the long run you need to add your normal user to wheel group so you
can use su. Can you edit the diskless machine's /etc/group from the
server that's supplying its disk(s)? In the days when I ran diskless
systems I usually found it easier to work on the diskless systems'
config files via the server.


I have tried and my own password is easily changed via the server.

if i try, on the diskless,

Login: root
Password: password or none

Login incorrect


As I mentioned in another post, have you got a valid looking password 
field in /etc/master.passwd or just a '*'? Valid fields tend to look 
something like $2a$04$XXX or $6$XXX where XXX is a lot of base64 
encoded data.


Looking in the source for su there are three places that generate 
Sorry. They all send messages to syslog. Is there a BAD SU entry in 
your /var/log/auth.log or a PAM related error in /var/log/messages 
and/or on the console?


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Re: Diskless question

2013-04-24 Thread Bernt Hansson



2013-04-24 15:40, Lowell Gilbert skrev:

Arthur Chance free...@qeng-ho.org writes:


On 04/24/13 14:07, Lowell Gilbert wrote:

No, that's from /etc/passwd which never shows any real password
information. The true password field is in /etc/master.passwd and I'm
not going to ask anyone to show that here. However, the OP should
check it's got a valid looking field value rather than just a '*'


Oops. Right.



Ok this is master.password for root

root:a lot of tokens.:0:0::0:0:Charlie :/root:/bin/csh
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Stop ifconfig high intensity message from master console

2013-04-24 Thread Joe
When I do a ifconfig bridge create or ifconfig epair create commands I 
get some high intensity messages on the hosts F1 session master console.


I would like to suppress these messages.

Is there any way to do that?

Thanks
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FreeBSD-update?

2013-04-24 Thread Walter Hurry
When I issue 'freebsd-update fetch install I see this:

Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 3 mirrors found.
Fetching metadata signature for 9.1-RELEASE from update5.freebsd.org... 
done.
Fetching metadata index... done.
Inspecting system... done.
Preparing to download files... done.

No updates needed to update system to 9.1-RELEASE-p2.
No updates are available to install.

So if 'No updates (are) needed to update system to 9.1-RELEASE-p2',
how do I actually update to 9.1-RELEASE-p2?

$ uname -r
9.1-RELEASE

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Re: FreeBSD-update?

2013-04-24 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:00:47 + (UTC), Walter Hurry wrote:
 When I issue 'freebsd-update fetch install I see this:
 
 Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 3 mirrors found.
 Fetching metadata signature for 9.1-RELEASE from update5.freebsd.org... 
 done.
 Fetching metadata index... done.
 Inspecting system... done.
 Preparing to download files... done.
 
 No updates needed to update system to 9.1-RELEASE-p2.
 No updates are available to install.
 
 So if 'No updates (are) needed to update system to 9.1-RELEASE-p2',
 how do I actually update to 9.1-RELEASE-p2?
 
 $ uname -r
 9.1-RELEASE

The kernel's version message will only change if the _kernel_
has been receiving changes. So, for example, if you update
from 9.1 to 9.1-p2, and _no_ change has been written to the
kernel, it will still report 9.1, even though the updates
for -p2 have been applied to other places (like system binaries
or libraries).

You can use the -r option to freebsd-update to explicitely
specify a version to update to. See man freebsd-update for
details.




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Re: FreeBSD-update?

2013-04-24 Thread Walter Hurry
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 18:05:04 +0200, Polytropon wrote:

 The kernel's version message will only change if the _kernel_ has been
 receiving changes. So, for example, if you update from 9.1 to 9.1-p2,
 and _no_ change has been written to the kernel, it will still report
 9.1, even though the updates for -p2 have been applied to other places
 (like system binaries or libraries).
 
 You can use the -r option to freebsd-update to explicitely specify a
 version to update to. See man freebsd-update for details.

Thanks for the reply, but I'm still confused.
--
# freebsd-update upgrade -r 9.1-RELEASE-p2
Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 3 mirrors found.
Fetching metadata signature for 9.1-RELEASE from update5.freebsd.org... 
done.
Fetching metadata index... done.
Inspecting system... done.

The following components of FreeBSD seem to be installed:
kernel/generic src/src world/base world/lib32

The following components of FreeBSD do not seem to be installed:
world/doc world/games

Does this look reasonable (y/n)? y

Fetching metadata signature for 9.1-RELEASE-p2 from 
update5.freebsd.org... failed.
Fetching metadata signature for 9.1-RELEASE-p2 from 
update4.freebsd.org... failed.
Fetching metadata signature for 9.1-RELEASE-p2 from 
update3.freebsd.org... failed.
No mirrors remaining, giving up
--

Where am I going wrong?


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Re: FreeBSD-update?

2013-04-24 Thread Alexandre
On Wednesday, April 24, 2013, Walter Hurry wrote:

 On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 18:05:04 +0200, Polytropon wrote:

  The kernel's version message will only change if the _kernel_ has been
  receiving changes. So, for example, if you update from 9.1 to 9.1-p2,
  and _no_ change has been written to the kernel, it will still report
  9.1, even though the updates for -p2 have been applied to other places
  (like system binaries or libraries).
 
  You can use the -r option to freebsd-update to explicitely specify a
  version to update to. See man freebsd-update for details.

 Thanks for the reply, but I'm still confused.
 --
 # freebsd-update upgrade -r 9.1-RELEASE-p2
 Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 3 mirrors found.
 Fetching metadata signature for 9.1-RELEASE from update5.freebsd.org...
 done.
 Fetching metadata index... done.
 Inspecting system... done.

 The following components of FreeBSD seem to be installed:
 kernel/generic src/src world/base world/lib32

 The following components of FreeBSD do not seem to be installed:
 world/doc world/games

 Does this look reasonable (y/n)? y

 Fetching metadata signature for 9.1-RELEASE-p2 from
 update5.freebsd.org... failed.
 Fetching metadata signature for 9.1-RELEASE-p2 from
 update4.freebsd.org... failed.
 Fetching metadata signature for 9.1-RELEASE-p2 from
 update3.freebsd.org... failed.
 No mirrors remaining, giving up
 --

 Where am I going wrong?



 Hi Walter,

Freebsd-update tool apply binary patches to your -RELEASE system and
GENERIC kernel.
Furthermore, sources are synced too (/usr/src) by default.
If you want to see the -p# increased, you have to recompile your
GENERIC kernel.
If you are using a custom kernel, you must recompile it to apply patches as
your sources are up-to-date. You will have the -p# increased too.

Kind regards,
Alexandre
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Re: FreeBSD-update?

2013-04-24 Thread Steve O'Hara-Smith
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:00:47 + (UTC)
Walter Hurry walterhu...@gmail.com wrote:

 When I issue 'freebsd-update fetch install I see this:
 
 Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 3 mirrors found.
 Fetching metadata signature for 9.1-RELEASE from update5.freebsd.org... 
 done.
 Fetching metadata index... done.
 Inspecting system... done.
 Preparing to download files... done.
 
 No updates needed to update system to 9.1-RELEASE-p2.
 No updates are available to install.
 
 So if 'No updates (are) needed to update system to 9.1-RELEASE-p2',
 how do I actually update to 9.1-RELEASE-p2?
 
 $ uname -r
 9.1-RELEASE

You have updated to 9.1-RELEASE-p2 - but since there have been no
kernel changes since 9.1-RELEASE the kernel version message hasn't changed.
This could very reasonably be regarded as bug in the update/version
reporting process but I wouldn't hold my breath for a fix, as things stand
the version reported only changes when the kernel is updated, or if you
recompile it after the update.

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gettext-0.18.1.1 issues

2013-04-24 Thread Paul Macdonald


Hi,

I have two boxes exhibiting issues with (updates or rebuilds to) 
gettext-0.18.1.1, (which obv affects lots of stuff)


i had originally thought this was a problem with the port on jails on 
each box, but actually even each host won't rebuild this port.


Both are amd64 and have recently been updated to 9.1-REL, but i have 
other boxes on 9.1-REL that are not showing same behavior.


Rebuilds of gettext on hosts stop with:

./localename.c: In function '_nl_locale_name_thread_unsafe':
./localename.c:2607: error: 'locale_t' undeclared (first use in this 
function)
./localename.c:2607: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only 
once

./localename.c:2607: error: for each function it appears in.)
./localename.c:2607: error: expected ';' before 'thread_locale'
./localename.c:2608: error: 'thread_locale' undeclared (first use in 
this function)
./localename.c:2608: error: 'LC_GLOBAL_LOCALE' undeclared (first use in 
this function)

*** Error code 1

There is a sed error earlier in the make process, but that seems to also 
be there on boxes that will rebuild gettext.


After trying everything i know to fix this (including copying 
localename.c from working boxes) , i deinstalled the port on one box, 
but it won't clean install after that ,


this has led to various problems with anything linked to gettext, like 
bash etc.


Help!

thanks
Paul.

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Re: FreeBSD-update?

2013-04-24 Thread Mark Felder
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:34:30 -0500, Steve O'Hara-Smith st...@sohara.org  
wrote:



You have updated to 9.1-RELEASE-p2 - but since there have been no
kernel changes since 9.1-RELEASE the kernel version message hasn't  
changed.

This could very reasonably be regarded as bug in the update/version
reporting process but I wouldn't hold my breath for a fix, as things  
stand

the version reported only changes when the kernel is updated, or if you
recompile it after the update.


It would be nice if the version of the OS itself was stored in something  
like /etc/freebsd-version so you know what the version of the OS as a  
whole is. I'd even accept some sort of output by freebsd-update. It just  
seems silly that there's no other way -- kern.osrelease is just the base  
release and kern.version is the same thing that uname -a outputs. It's  
hard to pick this up and monitor it accurately.

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Re: FreeBSD-update?

2013-04-24 Thread Walter Hurry
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 19:35:01 +0200, Alexandre wrote:

 Freebsd-update tool apply binary patches to your -RELEASE system and
 GENERIC kernel.
 Furthermore, sources are synced too (/usr/src) by default.
 If you want to see the -p# increased, you have to recompile your GENERIC
 kernel.
 If you are using a custom kernel, you must recompile it to apply patches
 as your sources are up-to-date. You will have the -p# increased too.

OK, thanks. The mists are beginning to clear. I've synced the source tree 
and recompiled the kernel, and all is well now.


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Re: FreeBSD-update?

2013-04-24 Thread Walter Hurry
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:52:17 -0500, Mark Felder wrote:

 On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:34:30 -0500, Steve O'Hara-Smith
 st...@sohara.org wrote:
 
 You have updated to 9.1-RELEASE-p2 - but since there have been no
 kernel changes since 9.1-RELEASE the kernel version message hasn't
 changed.
 This could very reasonably be regarded as bug in the update/version
 reporting process but I wouldn't hold my breath for a fix, as things
 stand the version reported only changes when the kernel is updated, or
 if you recompile it after the update.
 
 It would be nice if the version of the OS itself was stored in something
 like /etc/freebsd-version so you know what the version of the OS as a
 whole is. I'd even accept some sort of output by freebsd-update. It just
 seems silly that there's no other way -- kern.osrelease is just the base
 release and kern.version is the same thing that uname -a outputs. It's
 hard to pick this up and monitor it accurately.

I think I agree with this. It's somewhat confusing for a novice like me.

Thanks to all for the helpful replies.

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Re: Home WiFi Router with pfSense or m0n0wall?

2013-04-24 Thread Michael Powell
Alejandro Imass wrote:

[snip]
 Most consider the answer to use WPA2, which I do use too. Many think
 it is 'virtually' unbreakable, but this really is not true; it just
 takes longer. I've done WPA2 keys in as little as 2-3 hours before.

 Are you saying that any WPA2 key can be cracked or or you simply
 referring to weak keys?
 
 I would also like to specifically if it's for weak keys or are all
 WPA2 personal keys crackable by brute force. Also is WPA2 Enterprise
 as weak also. Could anyone expand on how weak is WPA2 and WPA2
 Enterprise or is this related to weak PSKs only??
 

I'm just a lowly sysadmin and not any kind of crypto expert.  The problem is 
time and horsepower. While a ridiculously easy key of say 4 characters that 
is not salted may be doable on a PC, once you start to get to 8-9 characters 
or more the time it takes begins to get huge fast. It's a matter of can you 
tie up the resource long enough to wait it out. Throw salting into the mix 
and it gets longer again. 

What I do at home is concatenate 2 ham radio call signs of friends that I 
can remember. Then I sha256 that and select from the end backwards 15 
characters. This won't actually defeat the inherent weakness of using a pre-
shared key, but it will take longer for a simple brute force. You should 
also throw in additional characters from your character set beyond just 
alpha/numerics.

Also, my little tinkertoy i5-3570K overclocked up to 4.5GHz is just that - a 
toy. I can use it to generate a trace file, which I then take to work and 
replay it using a z196 when they occasionally allow me to play for bit.  I 
also have rainbow tables and dictionary word-lists pregenerated for 
cheating. Another thing people are playing with is stuffing 4 high end video 
cards in a box and using them for computation. This enhances the PC platform 
beyond just using the CPU. There are also people doing this in the cloud. 
And they will rent you compute time for a fee.  :-)

The pre-shared key is the weakest as compared to Enterprise. Enterprise WPA 
is stronger because it is a user account based system which authenticates 
using 802.1x via a Radius server. You can even assign certificates to user 
accounts and if they don't have the cert on the client they are trying to 
connect with, it won't. Throw Kerberos re-ticketing into the mix adds 
another layer to the onion. I seem to think recalling something about 
Kerberos re-ticketing something like every 900 seconds, or something like 
that. Switches and other network equipment that supports 802.1x can also 
filter out traffic that is not authorized.

Bottom line is Enterprise is better than a simple pre-shared key. But it 
involves radius, dns/dhcp, windows domain controllers, active directory, a 
PKI infrastrucure and access points that are designed for use in this 
environment (and they cost more). So while it may be more secure than a 
simple pre-shared key, it is simply not practical for the home user as they 
won't have all the 'other' resources required to utilize it.

-Mike


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Re: FreeBSD-update?

2013-04-24 Thread Steve O'Hara-Smith
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:52:17 -0500
Mark Felder f...@feld.me wrote:

 On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:34:30 -0500, Steve O'Hara-Smith
 st...@sohara.org wrote:
 
  You have updated to 9.1-RELEASE-p2 - but since there have been no
  kernel changes since 9.1-RELEASE the kernel version message hasn't  
  changed.
  This could very reasonably be regarded as bug in the update/version
  reporting process but I wouldn't hold my breath for a fix, as things  
  stand
  the version reported only changes when the kernel is updated, or if you
  recompile it after the update.
 
 It would be nice if the version of the OS itself was stored in something  
 like /etc/freebsd-version so you know what the version of the OS as a  

Yes it would.

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Re: Home WiFi Router with pfSense or m0n0wall?

2013-04-24 Thread Michael Powell
Arthur Chance wrote:

[snip]
 What I was pondering is some form of L2TP tunnel, or some other form of
 IPSEC tunnel to form some kind of VPN like communication between the
 client and the wifi. Just never have begun to find the time to get
 anywhere with the idea. But basically it would resemble a VPN that only
 accepts connection from a tunnel endpoint client and not pass any traffic
 from any other client lacking this VPN-like endpoint. I think such a
 thing is very possible and have read some articles by people who have
 done very similar sounding things. Indeed, this is what SSL-VPN providers
 do via a subscription service so people surfing at open wifi coffee shops
 tunnel through the local open wifi and setup an encrypted VPN tunnel.
 
 A quick note: pfSense (I don't know about m0n0wall) has OpenVPN built in
 to it. Depending on whether all devices which are going to connect
 wirelessly can run the client end of OpenVPN, this might be a quick way
 to get greater security on the WiFi side.
 

This is along the lines of what I was thinking. I am my own CA and can 
generate certs that no one else has the private keys to. The problem with 
buying certs from a provider is the gov't has access to the private keys on 
demand. This was mandated back during the Clinton administration for the
US. I do things like turn password auth off on my SSH and only auth via 
certs. Extending this to other 'connectivities' is a way to make it harder 
for those with no approved cert to get in.  

The pairing of firewall and OpenVPN together sounds interesting. Will 
definitely check it out. Thanks for the pointer!

-Mike


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Re: Home WiFi Router with pfSense or m0n0wall?

2013-04-24 Thread Michael Powell
Michael Powell wrote:

 [snip]
 Are you saying that any WPA2 key can be cracked or or you simply
 referring to weak keys?
 
 I would also like to specifically if it's for weak keys or are all
 WPA2 personal keys crackable by brute force. Also is WPA2 Enterprise
 as weak also. Could anyone expand on how weak is WPA2 and WPA2
 Enterprise or is this related to weak PSKs only??
 

Oh, and BTW was going to include this in the last and forgot:

http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=cracking_wpa

-Mike




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Procmail Decoding Mime Messages

2013-04-24 Thread Martin McCormick
Is there a filter that one can run in procmail in which
base64 encoded data go in and text comes out so one can allow
procmailrc to do its work?

I use bogofilter to filter spam and it does a very good
job after one builds a core of spammishness, but legitimate
messages are often-times filled with base64 sections that look
like garbage to the regular expressions that one puts in
.procmailrc for sorting mail.

When searching for information, I found something called
mimencode which both encodes and decodes these attachments, but
there is no FreeBSD port called mimencode so it occurred to me
that some other application might exist which is in the ports
that does basically the same thing.

Is there anything which will take a raw email message
and spit out linear strings which can be processed like normal
text?

Thank you.

Martin McCormick
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Re: Home WiFi Router with pfSense or m0n0wall?

2013-04-24 Thread Alejandro Imass
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Michael Powell nightre...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Alejandro Imass wrote:

 [snip]
 Most consider the answer to use WPA2, which I do use too. Many think
 it is 'virtually' unbreakable, but this really is not true; it just
 takes longer. I've done WPA2 keys in as little as 2-3 hours before.

 Are you saying that any WPA2 key can be cracked or or you simply
 referring to weak keys?

 I would also like to specifically if it's for weak keys or are all
 WPA2 personal keys crackable by brute force. Also is WPA2 Enterprise
 as weak also. Could anyone expand on how weak is WPA2 and WPA2
 Enterprise or is this related to weak PSKs only??


 I'm just a lowly sysadmin and not any kind of crypto expert.  The problem is
 time and horsepower. While a ridiculously easy key of say 4 characters that
 is not salted may be doable on a PC, once you start to get to 8-9 characters
 or more the time it takes begins to get huge fast. It's a matter of can you
 tie up the resource long enough to wait it out. Throw salting into the mix
 and it gets longer again.

 What I do at home is concatenate 2 ham radio call signs of friends that I
 can remember. Then I sha256 that and select from the end backwards 15


[...]

 The pre-shared key is the weakest as compared to Enterprise. Enterprise WPA
 is stronger because it is a user account based system which authenticates
 using 802.1x via a Radius server. You can even assign certificates to user


OK. So we are talking about weak PSKs, of course with enough computing
power virtually anything is crackable by brute force. What I don't get
is that I thought that mac address filtering at the wireless level
meant that the router would not negotiate with a mac no listed in it's
table. I haven't used Kismet but you are saying that with Kismet I can
infer authorized macs that are connecting to a specific access point
so I can spoof one and perform my brute force attack?? Honestly I
don't know much about 802.11 but if that is so it's pretty retarded
and mac address filtering really a joke then.

Thanks again for such detailed responses. I know all this seems all OT
but it's a security issue that I don't think that many people are
aware of so I haven't changed the subject to OT because of this.

Best,

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Re: Procmail Decoding Mime Messages

2013-04-24 Thread Ryan Frederick

Forgot to cc the list.

On 04/24/2013 04:47 PM, Ryan Frederick wrote:

I believe mimencode is in ports as converters/mmencode. It is also
included as part of mail/metamail.

Ryan

On 04/24/2013 04:07 PM, Martin McCormick wrote:

Is there a filter that one can run in procmail in which
base64 encoded data go in and text comes out so one can allow
procmailrc to do its work?

I use bogofilter to filter spam and it does a very good
job after one builds a core of spammishness, but legitimate
messages are often-times filled with base64 sections that look
like garbage to the regular expressions that one puts in
.procmailrc for sorting mail.

When searching for information, I found something called
mimencode which both encodes and decodes these attachments, but
there is no FreeBSD port called mimencode so it occurred to me
that some other application might exist which is in the ports
that does basically the same thing.

Is there anything which will take a raw email message
and spit out linear strings which can be processed like normal
text?

Thank you.

Martin McCormick
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Re: Procmail Decoding Mime Messages

2013-04-24 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:07:35 -0500, Martin McCormick wrote:
   Is there a filter that one can run in procmail in which
 base64 encoded data go in and text comes out so one can allow
 procmailrc to do its work?
 [...]
   Is there anything which will take a raw email message
 and spit out linear strings which can be processed like normal
 text?

I think this is possible with uudecode, in this case b64decode.
See man uuencode for more information.


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Re: Stop ifconfig high intensity message from master console

2013-04-24 Thread Da Rock

On 04/25/13 01:53, Joe wrote:
When I do a ifconfig bridge create or ifconfig epair create commands I 
get some high intensity messages on the hosts F1 session master console.


I would like to suppress these messages.

Is there any way to do that?
You'd have to adjust your syslog.conf I'd imagine- look for 
/dev/console. Read the man page for syslog to know what to adjust on the 
line which tells it what to send to the console. I believe there might 
even be a 'not' setting.


Correct me if I'm wrong guys.

HTH
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Re: FreeBSD-update?

2013-04-24 Thread Da Rock

On 04/25/13 06:31, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:52:17 -0500
Mark Felder f...@feld.me wrote:


On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:34:30 -0500, Steve O'Hara-Smith
st...@sohara.org wrote:


You have updated to 9.1-RELEASE-p2 - but since there have been no
kernel changes since 9.1-RELEASE the kernel version message hasn't
changed.
This could very reasonably be regarded as bug in the update/version
reporting process but I wouldn't hold my breath for a fix, as things
stand
the version reported only changes when the kernel is updated, or if you
recompile it after the update.

It would be nice if the version of the OS itself was stored in something
like /etc/freebsd-version so you know what the version of the OS as a

Yes it would.


sysctl kern.version
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Re: Home WiFi Router with pfSense or m0n0wall?

2013-04-24 Thread RW
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:16:32 -0400
Michael Powell wrote:

 Alejandro Imass wrote:
 
 [snip]
  Most consider the answer to use WPA2, which I do use too. Many
  think it is 'virtually' unbreakable, but this really is not true;
  it just takes longer. I've done WPA2 keys in as little as 2-3
  hours before.
 
  Are you saying that any WPA2 key can be cracked or or you simply
  referring to weak keys?
  
  I would also like to specifically if it's for weak keys or are all
  WPA2 personal keys crackable by brute force. Also is WPA2 Enterprise
  as weak also. Could anyone expand on how weak is WPA2 and WPA2
  Enterprise or is this related to weak PSKs only??
  
 
 I'm just a lowly sysadmin and not any kind of crypto expert.  The
 problem is time and horsepower. While a ridiculously easy key of say
 4 characters that is not salted may be doable on a PC, once you start
 to get to 8-9 characters or more the time it takes begins to get huge
 fast. It's a matter of can you tie up the resource long enough to
 wait it out. 

Right, but if you were to strip-mine the earth's crust and turn all the
silicon into GPU cores you still wouldn't even come close to
brute-forcing AES256 before the sun turns into a red-giant.

If you're saying that WPA is inadequate because weak keys can be
bruteforced then the answer is don't use a weak key. If someone breaks
such a key then that's pilot error, not an inherent weakness in WPA.

Use a key with 100-256 bits of entropy.

 What I do at home is concatenate 2 ham radio call signs of friends
 that I can remember. Then I sha256 that and select from the end
 backwards 15 characters. 

60 bits tops - assuming that there was 60 bit of entropy in the hashed
data. My key is only twice as long, but about
40,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times better at resisting a brute
force attack.

  This won't actually defeat the inherent
 weakness of using a pre- shared key, but it will take longer for a
 simple brute force. You should also throw in additional characters
 from your character set beyond just alpha/numerics.

That's good advice for natural language pass phrases where there is
only  about 1 bit of entropy per character. IMO it's easier to type a
high entropy password using only characters that wont need shifting on
any device i.e. random lower-case letters. 




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Re: FreeBSD-update?

2013-04-24 Thread Mike Brown
Da Rock wrote:
 sysctl kern.version

For me, that's the same info as in uname -a.

Try this:

grep -v # /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh | head -4
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LSI 2008 Contoller settings for ZFS?

2013-04-24 Thread Dennis Glatting


Is there a recommended set of settings on LSI 2008 chips burned IT for 
ZFS?


Looking at the Global Settings in the configuration utility there is a 
field labeled status whose value can be enabled/disable/error. I don't 
know what to put there or whether it matters.


There are other configuration items across the controller. Other than 
boot order, I don't know if they matter but I/O Timeout for Block 
Devices might.


Any recommendation?


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Re: Procmail Decoding Mime Messages

2013-04-24 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Polytropon wrote:
 On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:07:35 -0500, Martin McCormick wrote:
  Is there a filter that one can run in procmail in which
  base64 encoded data go in and text comes out so one can allow
  procmailrc to do its work?

Good question, I havent tried that yet, (but should),
but I have been demiming both to help majordomo on servers,  via procmail
on local (to reduce bulk on my future archives of personal mail).

2 tools worth knowing in /usr/ports/mail/ : demime emil

A few notes from my 
http://berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/fixes/freebsd/ports/jhs/mail/Makefile.local
(where I've also more notes on eg much hated quoted-printable )


SUBDIR += emil
#   A candidate to be assesed for stripping quoted-printable from
#   majordomo on server, to help cluless people.
#   Something needed to replace demime as demime has been removed.

# SUBDIR += mime4j
#   It won't do any decoding of base64 or quoted-printable
#encoded header fields and bodies.

SUBDIR += demime
#   For majordomo on list servers,
#   For all the many lazy  incompetents who cant turn off sending
#   HTML to mail lists, despite having had a decade to learn.
#   ( for a few people who do understand they should, have tried to, but
#   can''t find where to turn off their HTML, if their ISP even allows.
#   Missing in FreeBSD-9.1-RELEASE so see also SUBDIR += mail/emil



  Is there anything which will take a raw email message
  and spit out linear strings which can be processed like normal
  text?

See man emil ; man demime

PS Trying to get procmail to work with a macro with a pipe defined
after + $RCVSTOREUNSEEN, was a long pain  I failed so I use a
longer version below which works, appended for syntax example.

RCVSTORE=/usr/local/libexec/nmh/rcvstore

RCVSTOREUNSEEN=$RCVSTORE -nounseen
# A 2nd copy, just text, stripped of MIME enclosures is
# stored in $PRI_MAIL by $RCVSTOREUNSEEN
# The 2nd copy is stored with $RCVSTORE -nounseen so I dont have to 
# click the archive copy from within exmh.

NOMIME=/usr/local/bin/demime -8 -
#   Demime is not in current after 9.1-RELEASE
#   To not demime instead use   NOMIME=cat
# NOMIME=cat

# NOMIME=/usr/local/bin/emil
#   Emil converts a .jpg MIME to a uuencoded appended without MIME

# I can not seem to achieve something like this:
#   XYZ=$NOMIME | $RCVSTOREUNSEEN

{
:0 cw
| $NOMIME | $RCVSTOREUNSEEN +$PRI_MAIL/my/archive
:0 wc
| $RCVSTORE +$INBOX_PLAIN
}

Cheers,
Julian
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 Reply below not above, like a play script.  Indent old text with  .
 Send plain text.  No quoted-printable, HTML, base64, multipart/alternative.
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Re: FreeBSD-update?

2013-04-24 Thread Mark Felder
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013, at 18:07, Mike Brown wrote:
 Da Rock wrote:
  sysctl kern.version
 
 For me, that's the same info as in uname -a.
 
 Try this:
 
 grep -v # /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh | head -4


Not useful if you don't have src on your servers, but that's good to
know.
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Re: Home WiFi Router with pfSense or m0n0wall?

2013-04-24 Thread Charles Swiger
Hi--

On Apr 24, 2013, at 1:53 PM, Michael Powell nightre...@hotmail.com wrote:
 This is along the lines of what I was thinking. I am my own CA and can 
 generate certs that no one else has the private keys to.

So can someone who does not run their own CA...?

 The problem with buying certs from a provider is the gov't has access
 to the private keys on demand.

Um, how does that work when they don't have your private keys?

People generate a CSR which they send to a public CA like Verisign/Entrust/et al
for signing.  That CSR contains the RSA public key, and a matching signature
created by the private key to authenticate the CSR request, but it does not
contain the private key itself.

Consider:

   openssl req -newkey rsa:2048 -keyout key.pem -out req.pem
   openssl req -in req.pem -text -verify -noout
   ls -l key.pem req.pem

...or even go through the explicit process of seeing the different data 
available:

   openssl rsa -in key.pem -pubout -out pubkey.pem
   openssl rsa -in key.pem -text -noout
   openssl rsa -pubin -in pubkey.pem -text -noout

[ A CSR is about half of the size of the private+public key file; and the 
public key
by itself is a quarter the size of the private+public key file.  And even 
possessing
key.pem doesn't disclose the private key, since there's a password needed.  
Unless
you make an effort to export the key without a password, that is. ]

Regards,
-- 
-Chuck

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Re: Procmail Decoding Mime Messages

2013-04-24 Thread Warren Block

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013, Martin McCormick wrote:


Is there a filter that one can run in procmail in which
base64 encoded data go in and text comes out so one can allow
procmailrc to do its work?

I use bogofilter to filter spam and it does a very good
job after one builds a core of spammishness, but legitimate
messages are often-times filled with base64 sections that look
like garbage to the regular expressions that one puts in
.procmailrc for sorting mail.

When searching for information, I found something called
mimencode which both encodes and decodes these attachments, but
there is no FreeBSD port called mimencode so it occurred to me
that some other application might exist which is in the ports
that does basically the same thing.

Is there anything which will take a raw email message
and spit out linear strings which can be processed like normal
text?


mail/maildrop has a reformime program which may be useful.  maildrop 
itself is like a better and easier to use procmail.

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Re: FreeBSD-update?

2013-04-24 Thread Da Rock

On 04/25/13 09:07, Mike Brown wrote:

Da Rock wrote:

sysctl kern.version

For me, that's the same info as in uname -a.

Try this:

grep -v # /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh | head -4
That shows even less. But the point of the OP was having a file in etc 
with the info on version, which I fell could be redundant given the 
excessive detail available in sysctl which is what it is meant for. 
uname actually refers to the sysctl as a neat command for a shell user, 
doesn't it?

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Unknown IP address shows FreeBSD server MAC in arp cache

2013-04-24 Thread Kaya Saman
Hi,

I'm experiencing a weird problem and I have no idea where to begin with
this one!


Basically what's happening is that I did a host scan from my NetBSD box
running Cacti in order to 'Auto Discover' machines on my network; a php
script on the Cacti server added an IP address xxx.xxx.1.52.

Seeing this as odd since I haven't configured any machine with this IP
as it's in the DHCP range on my network and there aren't any machines
running on DHCP on the particular VLAN either as everything is
statically configured; I proceeded to check the arp cache of my NetBSD
box which pointed to the MAC address of my FreeBSD server?

Having a look round my network and servers each ping attempt to
xxx.xxx.1.52 gives me a response and in the arp cache of each
machine/device shows the FreeBSD server.

Long ago I may have had this machine on xxx.xxx.1.52 but I can't recall
and all settings in /etc/rc.conf for interfaces and Jails are fine and
consistent with my Network Spec. My network has also had a massive
overhaul since then as I've changed switches and router in the meantime
too

I have thought about arp poisoning but then again no other machine is
connected to my network that I don't know about and since it's a home
network there's really only me connected to it. Also I'm running OpenBSD
as a firewall/router gateway which I've also checked thoroughly
including Packet Filter and haven't found any issues.


I also thought about RARP and bootparamd since I'm running a bunch of
Sun SPARC systems in which I NetBooted but nothing on that front either
showed any result. I additionally have checked the /etc/hosts files of
all my systems and even my local DNS db files but nothing shows
xxx.xxx.1.52 at all.


The BSD version that I'm running on my FreeBSD server is 8.2 x64.


Would anyone be able to help me out with this one?


Basically why is a rogue or unknown IP address pointing to my FreeBSD
box's NIC?


Regards,


Kaya
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Fwd: Unknown IP address shows FreeBSD server MAC in arp cache

2013-04-24 Thread Kaya Saman
Well I managed to find the answer!!


Scanning through /etc/defaults/rc.conf I noticed this:

dhclient_program=/sbin/dhclient   # Path to dhcp client program.
dhclient_flags=   # Extra flags to pass to dhcp client.


Then I went back to check my DHCP server's log files and indeed a DHCP
request came through from the server even though the IP's are all
statically configured on it.

Now all I have to do is tell the system not to use the dhclient
program and then all will be sorted :-)


Few.


Regards,


Kaya

 Original Message 
Subject:Unknown IP address shows FreeBSD server MAC in arp cache
Date:   Thu, 25 Apr 2013 02:52:21 +0100
From:   Kaya Saman kayasa...@gmail.com
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org



Hi,

I'm experiencing a weird problem and I have no idea where to begin with
this one!


Basically what's happening is that I did a host scan from my NetBSD box
running Cacti in order to 'Auto Discover' machines on my network; a php
script on the Cacti server added an IP address xxx.xxx.1.52.

Seeing this as odd since I haven't configured any machine with this IP
as it's in the DHCP range on my network and there aren't any machines
running on DHCP on the particular VLAN either as everything is
statically configured; I proceeded to check the arp cache of my NetBSD
box which pointed to the MAC address of my FreeBSD server?

Having a look round my network and servers each ping attempt to
xxx.xxx.1.52 gives me a response and in the arp cache of each
machine/device shows the FreeBSD server.

Long ago I may have had this machine on xxx.xxx.1.52 but I can't recall
and all settings in /etc/rc.conf for interfaces and Jails are fine and
consistent with my Network Spec. My network has also had a massive
overhaul since then as I've changed switches and router in the meantime
too

I have thought about arp poisoning but then again no other machine is
connected to my network that I don't know about and since it's a home
network there's really only me connected to it. Also I'm running OpenBSD
as a firewall/router gateway which I've also checked thoroughly
including Packet Filter and haven't found any issues.


I also thought about RARP and bootparamd since I'm running a bunch of
Sun SPARC systems in which I NetBooted but nothing on that front either
showed any result. I additionally have checked the /etc/hosts files of
all my systems and even my local DNS db files but nothing shows
xxx.xxx.1.52 at all.


The BSD version that I'm running on my FreeBSD server is 8.2 x64.


Would anyone be able to help me out with this one?


Basically why is a rogue or unknown IP address pointing to my FreeBSD
box's NIC?


Regards,


Kaya



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Re: FreeBSD-update?

2013-04-24 Thread Mark Felder
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013, at 20:41, Da Rock wrote:
 On 04/25/13 09:07, Mike Brown wrote:
  Da Rock wrote:
  sysctl kern.version
  For me, that's the same info as in uname -a.
 
  Try this:
 
  grep -v # /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh | head -4
 That shows even less. But the point of the OP was having a file in etc 
 with the info on version, which I fell could be redundant given the 
 excessive detail available in sysctl which is what it is meant for. 
 uname actually refers to the sysctl as a neat command for a shell user, 
 doesn't it?


The point is that the uname and sysctl output is inaccurate. If the
latest release is -p6 and the kernel hasn't been touched since -p4, both
uname and the sysctl only show -p4. It's impossible to tell otherwise
that the system is really -p6 if you don't have /usr/src/.
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Re: FreeBSD-update?

2013-04-24 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:13:56 -0500, Mark Felder wrote:
 The point is that the uname and sysctl output is inaccurate. If the
 latest release is -p6 and the kernel hasn't been touched since -p4, both
 uname and the sysctl only show -p4. It's impossible to tell otherwise
 that the system is really -p6 if you don't have /usr/src/.

The src component can be updated using the appropriate entry
in /etc/freebsd-update.conf so the information is there, no
matter if the kernel has been touched or not.

In my opinion, it could be helpful to have a somehow more
precise information about what version of the OS is currently
installed. I suggest having a text file in /etc that contains
the currently installed version, maybe also a SVN revision
number and a date. Updating via freebsd-update should not be
that complicated. Also by updating from source (e. g. when
following -STABLE where no X.Y-pZ version information is
provided) this file could be installed properly. By checking
this file the user could quickly retrieve the required
information in a quickly understandable form.



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Re: FreeBSD-update?

2013-04-24 Thread Mike.
On 4/24/2013 at 5:07 PM Mike Brown wrote:

|Da Rock wrote:
| sysctl kern.version
|
|For me, that's the same info as in uname -a.
|
|Try this:
|
|grep -v # /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh | head -4
 =


If uname -r [-a] does not give the proper version of the OS, then it is
either a bug, or the documentation for uname should be changed.
Currently, the man page for uname gives the following option:

-r  Write the current release level of the operating system to
stan-
 dard output.




If you need to do 

 grep -v # /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh | head -4

in order to write the correct and current release level of the
operating system to standard output, then perhaps uname should be fixed
to accommodate freebsd update's partial update process of the OS.





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Re: FreeBSD-update?

2013-04-24 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 22:32:17 -0400, Mike. wrote:
 If uname -r [-a] does not give the proper version of the OS, then it is
 either a bug, or the documentation for uname should be changed.
 Currently, the man page for uname gives the following option:
 
 -r  Write the current release level of the operating system to
 stan-
dard output.

Also the manpage of uname(3) would require a change to make clear
that the version of the _kernel_ is provided, which _may_ stay the
same during patchlevels of a given version. From that point of
view, if we consider the patchlevel _not_ being part of the OS
_version_, the statement (as it currently reads) makes sense.
The understanding is: Version 9.1 is the OS version, and if
a patch has been added, it's still 9.1 (even though the more
precise information is 9.1-p5 for example). Similarly consider
followint -STABLE: in this case, 9-STABLE or 9.1-STABLE is being
reported, because no precise version numbers exist on that
branch (at least not in the terms of patchlevels, instead a
repository revision number or the date of the checkout could
be considered for precision).

The uname program relies on the uname system call to get the
system identification, which queries the information stored in a
(struct utsname *) data structure:

 The uname() function stores NUL-terminated strings of information identi-
 fying the current system into the structure referenced by name.


 The utsname structure is defined in the sys/utsname.h header file, and
 contains the following members:

   release   Release level of the operating system.

   version   Version level of the operating system.

This part of documentation would, given the case, also require
adjustment, refering to the kernel instead of the OS.





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Re: FreeBSD-update?

2013-04-24 Thread Mike.
On 4/25/2013 at 4:47 AM Polytropon wrote:

|On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 22:32:17 -0400, Mike. wrote:
| If uname -r [-a] does not give the proper version of the OS, then it
is
| either a bug, or the documentation for uname should be changed.
| Currently, the man page for uname gives the following option:
| 
| -r  Write the current release level of the operating system to
| stan-
|   dard output.
|
|Also the manpage of uname(3) would require a change to make clear
|that the version of the _kernel_ is provided, which _may_ stay the
|same during patchlevels of a given version. From that point of
|view, if we consider the patchlevel _not_ being part of the OS
|_version_, the statement (as it currently reads) makes sense.
|The understanding is: Version 9.1 is the OS version, and if
|a patch has been added, it's still 9.1 (even though the more
|precise information is 9.1-p5 for example). Similarly consider
|followint -STABLE: in this case, 9-STABLE or 9.1-STABLE is being
|reported, because no precise version numbers exist on that
|branch (at least not in the terms of patchlevels, instead a
|repository revision number or the date of the checkout could
|be considered for precision).
|
|The uname program relies on the uname system call to get the
|system identification, which queries the information stored in a
|(struct utsname *) data structure:
|
| The uname() function stores NUL-terminated strings of information
|identi-
| fying the current system into the structure referenced by name.
|
|
| The utsname structure is defined in the sys/utsname.h header
file,
|and
| contains the following members:
|
|   release   Release level of the operating system.
|
|   version   Version level of the operating system.
|
|This part of documentation would, given the case, also require
|adjustment, refering to the kernel instead of the OS.
 =


On the other hand, maybe instead of changing the documentation of uname
to accommodate a problem with freebsd update, maybe freebsd update
should be changed to accommodate the historical and expected
performance of uname.

In other words, once I found out this problem with freebsd update
(i.e., not properly refreshing the OS version), I stopped using it, as
I was not able to ascertain the current state of my OS installation
anymore.




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Re: FreeBSD-update?

2013-04-24 Thread Da Rock

On 04/25/13 13:32, Mike. wrote:

On 4/25/2013 at 4:47 AM Polytropon wrote:

|On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 22:32:17 -0400, Mike. wrote:
| If uname -r [-a] does not give the proper version of the OS, then it
is
| either a bug, or the documentation for uname should be changed.
| Currently, the man page for uname gives the following option:
|
| -r  Write the current release level of the operating system to
| stan-
|dard output.
|
|Also the manpage of uname(3) would require a change to make clear
|that the version of the _kernel_ is provided, which _may_ stay the
|same during patchlevels of a given version. From that point of
|view, if we consider the patchlevel _not_ being part of the OS
|_version_, the statement (as it currently reads) makes sense.
|The understanding is: Version 9.1 is the OS version, and if
|a patch has been added, it's still 9.1 (even though the more
|precise information is 9.1-p5 for example). Similarly consider
|followint -STABLE: in this case, 9-STABLE or 9.1-STABLE is being
|reported, because no precise version numbers exist on that
|branch (at least not in the terms of patchlevels, instead a
|repository revision number or the date of the checkout could
|be considered for precision).
|
|The uname program relies on the uname system call to get the
|system identification, which queries the information stored in a
|(struct utsname *) data structure:
|
| The uname() function stores NUL-terminated strings of information
|identi-
| fying the current system into the structure referenced by name.
|
|
| The utsname structure is defined in the sys/utsname.h header
file,
|and
| contains the following members:
|
|   release   Release level of the operating system.
|
|   version   Version level of the operating system.
|
|This part of documentation would, given the case, also require
|adjustment, refering to the kernel instead of the OS.
  =


On the other hand, maybe instead of changing the documentation of uname
to accommodate a problem with freebsd update, maybe freebsd update
should be changed to accommodate the historical and expected
performance of uname.

In other words, once I found out this problem with freebsd update
(i.e., not properly refreshing the OS version), I stopped using it, as
I was not able to ascertain the current state of my OS installation
anymore.


Interesting. My only observation was that sysctl is supposed to be the 
'system' database where all queries relate to. It is supposed to display 
everything about the system; therefore any of these data bits should be 
fixed here first. Anything else would be a 'feature' :)


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Re: FreeBSD-update?

2013-04-24 Thread Steve O'Hara-Smith
On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:43:59 +1000
Da Rock freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au wrote:

 On 04/25/13 06:31, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:
  On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:52:17 -0500
  Mark Felder f...@feld.me wrote:
 
  On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:34:30 -0500, Steve O'Hara-Smith
  st...@sohara.org wrote:
 
  You have updated to 9.1-RELEASE-p2 - but since there have been no
  kernel changes since 9.1-RELEASE the kernel version message hasn't
  changed.
  This could very reasonably be regarded as bug in the update/version
  reporting process but I wouldn't hold my breath for a fix, as things
  stand
  the version reported only changes when the kernel is updated, or if
  you recompile it after the update.
  It would be nice if the version of the OS itself was stored in
  something like /etc/freebsd-version so you know what the version of
  the OS as a
  Yes it would.
 
 sysctl kern.version

The problem under discussion is that the kernel version does not
change when a freebsd-update update does not include a kernel change.

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Re: FreeBSD-update?

2013-04-24 Thread Steve O'Hara-Smith
On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 13:43:03 +1000
Da Rock freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au wrote:

 Interesting. My only observation was that sysctl is supposed to be the 
 'system' database where all queries relate to. It is supposed to display 
 everything about the system; therefore any of these data bits should be 
 fixed here first. Anything else would be a 'feature' :)

That would be nice - one way to achieve that would be to add a
writable oid for patch level and not bump newvers.sh for patches.

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