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Re: warning: total configured swap (8960911 pages) exceeds maximum recommended amount (8243200 pages).
On 17/10/2013 17:01, RW wrote: On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:27:49 +0100 Frank Leonhardt wrote: On 17/10/2013 15:04, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: I'm using a 72gb swap disk. I've 10gb RAM I get this warning: warning: total configured swap (8960911 pages) exceeds maximum recommended amount (8243200 pages). warning: increase kern.maxswzone or reduce amount of swap. What is max. recommended amount based on? What is the danger of exceeding it? How should I increase kern.maxswzone? # sysctl kern.maxswzone kern.maxswzone: 0 # Do I set it to the total swap size? Where is kern.maxswzone described? I went through this on an earlier version but didn't get any warning. You might find the answer here: http://blog.frankleonhardt.com/2011/large-swap-files-on-freebsd-die-with-mystery-killed-howto-add-lots-of-swap-space/ The hard limit that's mentioned there is i386 only. I think that may have changed a bit since 8.2. This was running 8.2 on AMD64, and it's definitely there (and with the same value as the i386 version). The code's there on 9.1, as is the manifest constant in param.h and it's still the same value. I haven't tried 9.2 yet. So what am I missing about i386? Thanks, Frank. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
firefox: after update - version 23: can not swap tabs
After the last major update of www/firefox to version 23 firefox rejects of moving/swapping the tabs. They are static now. I do not know whether this has to do with the great pixman update, because coincidentally I made bot the pixman update and the update of firefox towards revision 23 slipped in. My ports system and the ports are kept up to day on a almost every-two-day basis or at least weekly. The underlying OS is now FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT #1 r256384: Sat Oct 12 18:34:38 CEST 2013 amd64. The question is: is this a kind of miscompilation or has there something minor changed and I didn't noticed that? User error? If some has a tip or hint, I'll appreciate it. Please CC me, I do not subscribe this list. Regards, Oliver signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: firefox: after update - version 23: can not swap tabs
El día Monday, October 14, 2013 a las 08:54:56AM +0200, O. Hartmann escribió: After the last major update of www/firefox to version 23 firefox rejects of moving/swapping the tabs. They are static now. I do not know whether this has to do with the great pixman update, because coincidentally I made bot the pixman update and the update of firefox towards revision 23 slipped in. My ports system and the ports are kept up to day on a almost every-two-day basis or at least weekly. Hello, I have a 10-CURRENT r255948 from October 1st, with all ports from head too, rev. r328930. FF is version 24.0 in the r328930 ports and the tabs can be moved fine with drag and drop. HIH matthias -- Matthias Apitz | /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign: www.asciiribbon.org E-mail: g...@unixarea.de | \ / - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | X - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | / \ - Respect for open standards ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Reinstall without reformat
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:01:02 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Polytropon wrote: On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:24:30 -0400, Kenta Suzumoto wrote: Hi all. Is it possible to install FreeBSD without formatting the disk? Yes. The installer supports not formatting existing partitions. The file system characteristica will be kept, possible content will overwritten. Note that superfluous content will also be kept, except of course you previously remove everything. sysinstall supported that, but AFAIK bsdinstall does not. Oh, seems you're right. I've checked The FreeBSD Handbook for the relevant instructions for using bsdinstall at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html and http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-final-warning.html and I didn't find an option to _not_ initialize existing partitions, even though it seems you can assign existing partitions without any problem. The remaining question: Will they be initialized again? I know that sysinstall had the option newfs toggle so you could skip the newfs step after you had assigned the existing partitions to the desired mountpoints. It can be seen at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/install-steps.html in Fig. 3.19 and 3.24. I have to admit that I didn't assume such a significant loss of functionality (that sysinstall provided!) in the new installer... :-( That's why maybe manually extracting the distribution files from the installation media, using the CLI tools, would probably the easiest thing: Manually mount existing partitions as desired, then extract the installation datasets, and apply any further modifications as needed. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... OR Disconnect power line of existing HDD to be reinstalled . Attach another HDD or drive , for example USB stick . Perform a fresh install on the new unit . After verifying that the new install is working properly , Shutdown the computer , attach power of previous HDD , mount it , copy all of the new files from freshly installed unit into previous HDD, Shutdown the computer , Disconnect newly installed unit , Restart the computer . It is very likely that your previous HDD will work as like newly installed . OR Do the reverse : From previous HDD , copy all of the required files to the new HDD . Disconnect previous HDD or unit . Continue with the new HDD or unit . If the previous HDD is not bootable , it is necessary to continue with the new HDD . I am applying the second kind of steps for all my new installs . In that way nothing is broken , even there is no back up of the files because nothing applied to the existing HDD . The cost of this operation is to have a spare disk or a USB stick having sufficient capacity . Personally I am not using USB sticks for such operations because they may fail unexpectedly . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: firefox: after update - version 23: can not swap tabs
On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:50:48 +0200 Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: El día Monday, October 14, 2013 a las 08:54:56AM +0200, O. Hartmann escribió: After the last major update of www/firefox to version 23 firefox rejects of moving/swapping the tabs. They are static now. I do not know whether this has to do with the great pixman update, because coincidentally I made bot the pixman update and the update of firefox towards revision 23 slipped in. My ports system and the ports are kept up to day on a almost every-two-day basis or at least weekly. Hello, I have a 10-CURRENT r255948 from October 1st, with all ports from head too, rev. r328930. FF is version 24.0 in the r328930 ports and the tabs can be moved fine with drag and drop. HIH matthias Sorry, FF is in my case 24, too: pkg info firefox firefox-24.0,1 Have you done updating the ports regarding 20130929 in /usr/ports/UPDATING? I did on all boxes and on all boxes I did the tab-stickyness is present. My ports tree is Revision: 330274, my OS is as reported above. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: firefox: after update - version 23: can not swap tabs
El día Monday, October 14, 2013 a las 10:23:49AM +0200, O. Hartmann escribió: I have a 10-CURRENT r255948 from October 1st, with all ports from head too, rev. r328930. FF is version 24.0 in the r328930 ports and the tabs can be moved fine with drag and drop. HIH matthias Sorry, FF is in my case 24, too: pkg info firefox firefox-24.0,1 root@aurora:~ # pkg_info | fgrep firefox firefox-24.0,1 Web browser based on the browser portion of Mozilla Have you done updating the ports regarding 20130929 No, I did 'svn co ...' for /usr/ports on an empty machine and compiled all my used ports based on rev r328930. matthias -- Matthias Apitz | /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign: www.asciiribbon.org E-mail: g...@unixarea.de | \ / - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | X - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | / \ - Respect for open standards ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
David Demelier wrote: Hello there, I'm writing because after a power failure I was unable to log in on my FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE. The SU+J journal were executed correctly but some files disappeared, including /etc/pwd.db. Thus I was unable to log in. I've been able to regenerate the password database with a live cd but I'm afraid that more files had disappeared somewhere else... I think this is a serious issue, the journal should not truncate files, so something should have gone wrong somewhere.. Any ideas? Should I open a PR? Not sure there is enough to go on for a PR, but something is weird. Friday morning our power went down at home for about three hours after I had already left for work. When I came home I found the router/gateway box was OK. It is still with the old DOS mbr and disklabel scheme, with softupdates, and is a pair of disks gmirrored. The other box is my first foray into the land of GPT, along with SU+J. It was sitting at the 'couldn't mount... Press return for /bin/sh' line. There was an error indicating that replaying one or more journals had failed. I was able to successfully fsck all the other partitions (besides /), then rebooted and system came back up OK. Both of these machines were recently updated to 9.2 Release from 9.1. It has been approximately 9 months, or so, since I last had a power outage like this one. Back then they were still 8.3 I think, did not have SU+J and recovered just fine on their own. This error about the replay of the journal(s) failing is somewhat disconcerting. Beyond that, however, I do not have any other details or data. Nothing to flesh out a PR, but thought I'd mention what I saw in conjunction with your experience. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Authorisation Errors on 9.2
On 14/10/2013 06:37, Beeblebrox wrote: Hi, I Inadvertently posted the gnome-keyring bit. That's almost standard error message on FreeBSD-Gnome. The relevant bit for the error is in fact: slim: gkr-pam: no password is available for user However, the user cannot login on a tty without providing a password. For ssh, the same error and dropped connection occurs for all users. sshd was modified to allow root login. All users have valid home directories defined. From /etc/passwd; I wonder if this has anything to do with it? sshd:*:22:22:Secure Shell Daemon:/var/empty:/usr/sbin/*nologin* Could it be a dud /root/.tcshrc? Or /etc/login.conf? The accounts which try to ssh login also login on host proper and do not have any login issues when logging-in directly on host - so I think we can eliminate these problems. I'm now really guessing - I've not tried 9.2-RELEASE. Given these things are usually really obvious when you finally spot them (it happens to me a lot, anyway), here are a few obvious things you could think of in case it helps. First off, ssh is different from a console login so what's in sshd_config matters. That said, the defaults generally work (or used to). In no particular order, in sshd_config: PasswordAuthentication must be yes KerberosOrLocalPasswd probably yes AllowUsers, AllowGroups, DenyUsers and DenyGroups need to be set correctly. ChrootDirectory - this could cause fun if it's set to something. Other things that might be interesting are UseLogin and UsePAM. If this was a fundamental problem with changed defaults in 9.2, I'm sure a lot more people would have complained. Regards, Frank. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
Michael Powell wrote: [snip] The other box is my first foray into the land of GPT, along with SU+J. It was sitting at the 'couldn't mount... Press return for /bin/sh' line. There was an error indicating that replaying one or more journals had failed. I was able to successfully fsck all the other partitions (besides /), then rebooted and system came back up OK. Meant to include also that I booted from a CD with wddiags and ran the Quick test and it found no errors on the disk. [snip] -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
DEFAULT_VERSIONS=
Has the DEFAULT_VERSIONS= been extended to include ports other than python=2.7 python2=2.7 python3=3.3 perl5=5.18 ruby=2.0 tcltk=8.6 as presently shown in UPDATING? Are their plans to extend it to ports like db6, mysql56\*, etcetera? -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:02:22 -0400 Michael Powell wrote: David Demelier wrote: Hello there, I'm writing because after a power failure I was unable to log in on my FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE. The SU+J journal were executed correctly but some files disappeared, including /etc/pwd.db. Thus I was unable to log in. I've been able to regenerate the password database with a live cd but I'm afraid that more files had disappeared somewhere else... I think this is a serious issue, the journal should not truncate files, so something should have gone wrong somewhere.. The journalling in SU+J has nothing to do with data integrity. When the system isn't shut-down cleanly, soft-updates are supposed to leave the filesystem in a self-consistent state, except that it may lose track of some freed disk space. The journal allows that space to be recovered without the lengthy background fsck that used to cripple performance. If you are having problems with data integrity you might try gjournal or zfs instead. If you look back at the lists before these were added there was a lot of suspicion about soft-updates and background checks. Some of the problems were explained by some (mostly desktop) drives incorrecty reporting what has been commited to disk - I don't know whether this is still the case. This error about the replay of the journal(s) failing is somewhat disconcerting. I think this is probably a good thing. With background checks you would (if you were looking) occasionally see unexpected soft-update inconsistency during the background check, which would lead to a foreground check on the next boot. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Re: Reinstall without reformat
On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Polytropon wrote: On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:01:02 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Polytropon wrote: On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:24:30 -0400, Kenta Suzumoto wrote: Hi all. Is it possible to install FreeBSD without formatting the disk? Yes. The installer supports not formatting existing partitions. The file system characteristica will be kept, possible content will overwritten. Note that superfluous content will also be kept, except of course you previously remove everything. sysinstall supported that, but AFAIK bsdinstall does not. Oh, seems you're right. I've checked The FreeBSD Handbook for the relevant instructions for using bsdinstall at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html and http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-final-warning.html and I didn't find an option to _not_ initialize existing partitions, even though it seems you can assign existing partitions without any problem. The remaining question: Will they be initialized again? It is possible to mount filesystems manually from the shell and have bsdinstall continue with the install without formatting them. It's been a while since I tried that, and I don't recall the exact details. bsdinstall(8) suggests it may be as easy as just having the existing filesystems mounted at /mnt. Still, not something to try without a backup. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: firefox: after update - version 23: can not swap tabs
On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, O. Hartmann wrote: FF is in my case 24, too: pkg info firefox firefox-24.0,1 Have you done updating the ports regarding 20130929 in /usr/ports/UPDATING? I did on all boxes and on all boxes I did the tab-stickyness is present. Firefox 24 allows tab moves for me on both 9-stable and 10-stable. The pixman update missed some files for me, resolved by using pkg_libchk (from sysutils/bsdadminscripts) to find the ports that needed rebuilding and then rebuilding them. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Reinstall without reformat
On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:51:15 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: It is possible to mount filesystems manually from the shell and have bsdinstall continue with the install without formatting them. It's been a while since I tried that, and I don't recall the exact details. bsdinstall(8) suggests it may be as easy as just having the existing filesystems mounted at /mnt. Still, not something to try without a backup. So if I understand everything correctly, the decision logic is -- when partitions do already exist -- as follows: a) existing partitions not mounted: run newfs mount partitions copy files b) existing partitions mounted: do not run newfs copy files The installer itself doesn't seem to give a hint about this logic, even though the manual _might_ suggest it. I haven't examined the source code to fully verify this logic, even though it would be a reasonable approach. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Reinstall without reformat
The brutal and brute-force approach can work - better if you boot from a USB stick, of course. You can untar base.tzx and kernel.tzx in your /, with filesystems mounted. As Polytropon says, do a backup of what you'll want afterwards. This approach will leave a lot of cruft (old versions of shared libraries, etc.), but will certainly work. Grab the distribution from (in this case, the example is for 9.2, i386) ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/i386/9.2-RELEASE ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
On 14.10.2013 14:39, RW wrote: On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:02:22 -0400 Michael Powell wrote: David Demelier wrote: Hello there, I'm writing because after a power failure I was unable to log in on my FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE. The SU+J journal were executed correctly but some files disappeared, including /etc/pwd.db. Thus I was unable to log in. I've been able to regenerate the password database with a live cd but I'm afraid that more files had disappeared somewhere else... I think this is a serious issue, the journal should not truncate files, so something should have gone wrong somewhere.. The journalling in SU+J has nothing to do with data integrity. When the system isn't shut-down cleanly, soft-updates are supposed to leave the filesystem in a self-consistent state, except that it may lose track of some freed disk space. The journal allows that space to be recovered without the lengthy background fsck that used to cripple performance. If you are having problems with data integrity you might try gjournal or zfs instead. Why? SU+J is enabled by default. Isn't the purpose of a journaled file system to ensure that any bad shutdown will protect data? On GNU/Linux, on Windows you will not require anything else to recover your data. I don't want to tweak the filesystem or use something different that the default, as it is the default it's the *warranty* that it is the correct way to protect data for new FreeBSD user's installations IMHO. If you look back at the lists before these were added there was a lot of suspicion about soft-updates and background checks. Some of the problems were explained by some (mostly desktop) drives incorrecty reporting what has been commited to disk - I don't know whether this is still the case. This error about the replay of the journal(s) failing is somewhat disconcerting. I think this is probably a good thing. With background checks you would (if you were looking) occasionally see unexpected soft-update inconsistency during the background check, which would lead to a foreground check on the next boot. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Tuning /etc/sysctl.conf
Hi people, I'm very interested to tuning /etc/sysctl.conf according to the specifications of my PC. I've been reading some guides [1], tutorials [2-3], QA [4] and the FreeBSD Handbook's related section 12.12 Tuning with sysctl(8), but I think it's much more convenient if I contrast it with other examples or experienced users. Here is my relevant info outputs for help to improve the sysctl(8) variables. % uname -a FreeBSD freebsd 9.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE #0 r255898: Fri Sep 27 03:52:52 UTC 2013 r...@bake.isc.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 % dmesg | grep CPU CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz (2394.06-MHz 686-class CPU) cpu0: ACPI CPU on acpi0 p4tcc0: CPU Frequency Thermal Control on cpu0 % dmesg | grep memory real memory = 2147483648 (2048 MB) avail memory = 2082701312 (1986 MB) % pciconf -lvv | grep -n2 Ethernet 41-sis0@pci0:0:4:0: class=0x02 card=0x80a71043 chip=0x09001039 rev=0x91 hdr=0x00 42-vendor = 'Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]' 43:device = 'SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet' 44-class = network 45-subclass = ethernet My /etc/sysctl.conf # $FreeBSD: release/9.2.0/etc/sysctl.conf 112200 2003-03-13 18:43:50Z mux $ # # This file is read when going to multi-user and its contents piped thru # ``sysctl'' to adjust kernel values. ``man 5 sysctl.conf'' for details. # # Uncomment this to prevent users from seeing information about processes that # are being run under another UID. #security.bsd.see_other_uids=0 vfs.usermount=1 hw.snd.default_unit=2 kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=16777216 kern.ipc.nmbclusters=32768 kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed=1 kern.ipc.somaxconn=8192 kern.maxfiles=65536 kern.maxfilesperproc=32768 net.inet.tcp.blackhole=2 net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=0 net.inet.tcp.path_mtu_discovery=0 net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_auto=1 net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_inc=16384 net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_max=16777216 net.inet.tcp.recvspace=65536 net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=1 net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_auto=1 net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_inc=8192 net.inet.tcp.sendspace=65536 net.inet.udp.blackhole=1 net.inet.udp.maxdgram=57344 net.inet.udp.recvspace=65536 net.local.stream.recvspace=65536 net.local.stream.sendspace=65536 net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_max=16777216 net.inet.ip.random_id=1 http://serverfault.com/questions/64356/freebsd-performance-tuning-sysctls-loader-conf-kernel # Allow for up 2 GB of wired memory. vm.max_wired=524288 I will appreciate any input about the subject. --CJPM [1] http://harryd71.blogspot.com.es/2008/10/tuning-freenas-zfs.html [2] https://wiki.freebsd.org/SystemTuning#SYSCTL_TUNING [3] https://wiki.freebsd.org/NetworkPerformanceTuning [4] http://serverfault.com/questions/64356/freebsd-performance-tuning-sysctls-loader-conf-kernel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 6:34 PM, David Demelier demelier.da...@gmail.com wrote: Why? SU+J is enabled by default. Isn't the purpose of a journaled file system to ensure that any bad shutdown will protect data? On GNU/Linux, on Windows you will not require anything else to recover your data. I don't want to tweak the filesystem or use something different that the default, as it is the default it's the *warranty* that it is the correct way to protect data for new FreeBSD user's installations IMHO. Agree :-) SU+J also seems to cause problems on SSD drives: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-fs/2013-February/016420.html -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:34 AM, David Demelier demelier.da...@gmail.comwrote: Why? SU+J is enabled by default. Isn't the purpose of a journaled file system to ensure that any bad shutdown will protect data? As already stated, those measures are to preserve fs integrity eg meta data is in sync. It doesn't ensure that all the outstanding writes are committed to disk in the event of a power outage. On GNU/Linux, on Windows you will not require anything else to recover your data. This is complete garbage when using default settings as you imply below. The default for ext3 on basically every distro still using ext3 is an ordered journal and don't even get started on ext4. NTFS by default can/will also lose data on a power outage. I don't want to tweak the filesystem or use something different that the default, as it is the default it's the *warranty* that it is the correct way to protect data for new FreeBSD user's installations IMHO. There is no *warranty* as explicitly stated in http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html The behavior you wish would slow down disk writes by an order of magnitude and is already available to users willing to use non-default settings. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:34 AM, David Demelier demelier.da...@gmail.comwrote: Why? SU+J is enabled by default. Isn't the purpose of a journaled file system to ensure that any bad shutdown will protect data? As already stated, those measures are to preserve fs integrity eg meta data is in sync. It doesn't ensure that all the outstanding writes are committed to disk in the event of a power outage. Then why random files gets damaged as well even they are not accessed/written on power loss? :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tuning /etc/sysctl.conf
Mmm... just a correction in /etc/sysctl.conf, it seems that by mistake I've copied a website link into the file. Sorry, it was a copy-paste error :) % cat /etc/sysctl.conf # $FreeBSD: release/9.2.0/etc/sysctl.conf 112200 2003-03-13 18:43:50Z mux $ # # This file is read when going to multi-user and its contents piped thru # ``sysctl'' to adjust kernel values. ``man 5 sysctl.conf'' for details. # # Uncomment this to prevent users from seeing information about processes that # are being run under another UID. #security.bsd.see_other_uids=0 vfs.usermount=1 hw.snd.default_unit=2 kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=16777216 kern.ipc.nmbclusters=32768 kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed=1 kern.ipc.somaxconn=8192 kern.maxfiles=65536 kern.maxfilesperproc=32768 net.inet.tcp.blackhole=2 net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=0 net.inet.tcp.path_mtu_discovery=0 net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_auto=1 net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_inc=16384 net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_max=16777216 net.inet.tcp.recvspace=65536 net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=1 net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_auto=1 net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_inc=8192 net.inet.tcp.sendspace=65536 net.inet.udp.blackhole=1 net.inet.udp.maxdgram=57344 net.inet.udp.recvspace=65536 net.local.stream.recvspace=65536 net.local.stream.sendspace=65536 net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_max=16777216 net.inet.ip.random_id=1 # Allow for up 2 GB of wired memory. vm.max_wired=524288 2013/10/14 Carlos Jacobo Puga Medina cjpug...@gmail.com Hi people, I'm very interested to tuning /etc/sysctl.conf according to the specifications of my PC. I've been reading some guides [1], tutorials [2-3], QA [4] and the FreeBSD Handbook's related section 12.12 Tuning with sysctl(8), but I think it's much more convenient if I contrast it with other examples or experienced users. Here is my relevant info outputs for help to improve the sysctl(8) variables. % uname -a FreeBSD freebsd 9.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE #0 r255898: Fri Sep 27 03:52:52 UTC 2013 r...@bake.isc.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 % dmesg | grep CPU CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz (2394.06-MHz 686-class CPU) cpu0: ACPI CPU on acpi0 p4tcc0: CPU Frequency Thermal Control on cpu0 % dmesg | grep memory real memory = 2147483648 (2048 MB) avail memory = 2082701312 (1986 MB) % pciconf -lvv | grep -n2 Ethernet 41-sis0@pci0:0:4:0: class=0x02 card=0x80a71043 chip=0x09001039 rev=0x91 hdr=0x00 42-vendor = 'Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]' 43:device = 'SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet' 44-class = network 45-subclass = ethernet My /etc/sysctl.conf # $FreeBSD: release/9.2.0/etc/sysctl.conf 112200 2003-03-13 18:43:50Z mux $ # # This file is read when going to multi-user and its contents piped thru # ``sysctl'' to adjust kernel values. ``man 5 sysctl.conf'' for details. # # Uncomment this to prevent users from seeing information about processes that # are being run under another UID. #security.bsd.see_other_uids=0 vfs.usermount=1 hw.snd.default_unit=2 kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=16777216 kern.ipc.nmbclusters=32768 kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed=1 kern.ipc.somaxconn=8192 kern.maxfiles=65536 kern.maxfilesperproc=32768 net.inet.tcp.blackhole=2 net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=0 net.inet.tcp.path_mtu_discovery=0 net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_auto=1 net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_inc=16384 net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_max=16777216 net.inet.tcp.recvspace=65536 net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=1 net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_auto=1 net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_inc=8192 net.inet.tcp.sendspace=65536 net.inet.udp.blackhole=1 net.inet.udp.maxdgram=57344 net.inet.udp.recvspace=65536 net.local.stream.recvspace=65536 net.local.stream.sendspace=65536 net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_max=16777216 net.inet.ip.random_id=1 http://serverfault.com/questions/64356/freebsd-performance-tuning-sysctls-loader-conf-kernel # Allow for up 2 GB of wired memory. vm.max_wired=524288 I will appreciate any input about the subject. --CJPM [1] http://harryd71.blogspot.com.es/2008/10/tuning-freenas-zfs.html [2] https://wiki.freebsd.org/SystemTuning#SYSCTL_TUNING [3] https://wiki.freebsd.org/NetworkPerformanceTuning [4] http://serverfault.com/questions/64356/freebsd-performance-tuning-sysctls-loader-conf-kernel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:50 AM, CeDeROM cede...@tlen.pl wrote: Then why random files gets damaged as well even they are not accessed/written on power loss? :-) Prove they weren't. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:50 AM, CeDeROM cede...@tlen.pl wrote: Then why random files gets damaged as well even they are not accessed/written on power loss? :-) Prove they weren't. Hmm, maybe /etc/pwd.db as David mentioned? This is updated on password change, which does not happen all the time.. so why it was damaged when no write occured..? -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tuning /etc/sysctl.conf
On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:35:49 +0200 Carlos Jacobo Puga Medina cjpug...@gmail.com wrote: Hi people, I'm very interested to tuning /etc/sysctl.conf according to the specifications of my PC. As a general rule it is more appropriate to think of tuning in terms of the workload you intend to apply to your PC. Most changes you can make will benefit some workflows at the cost of making others less efficient. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith st...@sohara.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
On 10/14/2013 12:50 PM, CeDeROM wrote: On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:34 AM, David Demelier demelier.da...@gmail.comwrote: Why? SU+J is enabled by default. Isn't the purpose of a journaled file system to ensure that any bad shutdown will protect data? As already stated, those measures are to preserve fs integrity eg meta data is in sync. It doesn't ensure that all the outstanding writes are committed to disk in the event of a power outage. Then why random files gets damaged as well even they are not accessed/written on power loss? :-) Random files can be affected because the sectors of the hard disk containing the directory entries for those files, not the file data itself, may be damaged (ie: the directory was in the process of being written OR the pointer to that SECTOR was in the process of being written). It doesn't mean a file was in active use, just that a chunk of the disk with data relevant to that file was. Keep in mind, one sector of disk may have data for a dozen files in it (or more). Damage doesn't have to occur because a given file was in use at the time of a crash. If your power grid is prone to failures or blips, I strongly suggest investing in a UPS. Brad ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Brad Mettee bmet...@pchotshots.com wrote: On 10/14/2013 12:50 PM, CeDeROM wrote: Then why random files gets damaged as well even they are not accessed/written on power loss? :-) Random files can be affected because the sectors of the hard disk containing the directory entries for those files, not the file data itself, may be damaged (ie: the directory was in the process of being written OR the pointer to that SECTOR was in the process of being written). It doesn't mean a file was in active use, just that a chunk of the disk with data relevant to that file was. Keep in mind, one sector of disk may have data for a dozen files in it (or more). Damage doesn't have to occur because a given file was in use at the time of a crash. Isn't there Journal to prevent and reverse such damage? If your power grid is prone to failures or blips, I strongly suggest investing in a UPS. I have UPS in my desktop and also I am working on a laptop, so the power supply is not the only possible cause of system crash.. this may be faulty driver, hardware failure, kernel panic, etc. -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tuning /etc/sysctl.conf
Hi Steve, I use it as a paticular desktop PC. Well, if you need more details about it, please, let me know. What do you think about current tuning? Thanks --CJPM 2013/10/14 Carlos Jacobo Puga Medina cjpug...@gmail.com Mmm... just a correction in /etc/sysctl.conf, it seems that by mistake I've copied a website link into the file. Sorry, it was a copy-paste error :) % cat /etc/sysctl.conf # $FreeBSD: release/9.2.0/etc/sysctl.conf 112200 2003-03-13 18:43:50Z mux $ # # This file is read when going to multi-user and its contents piped thru # ``sysctl'' to adjust kernel values. ``man 5 sysctl.conf'' for details. # # Uncomment this to prevent users from seeing information about processes that # are being run under another UID. #security.bsd.see_other_uids=0 vfs.usermount=1 hw.snd.default_unit=2 kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=16777216 kern.ipc.nmbclusters=32768 kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed=1 kern.ipc.somaxconn=8192 kern.maxfiles=65536 kern.maxfilesperproc=32768 net.inet.tcp.blackhole=2 net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=0 net.inet.tcp.path_mtu_discovery=0 net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_auto=1 net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_inc=16384 net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_max=16777216 net.inet.tcp.recvspace=65536 net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=1 net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_auto=1 net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_inc=8192 net.inet.tcp.sendspace=65536 net.inet.udp.blackhole=1 net.inet.udp.maxdgram=57344 net.inet.udp.recvspace=65536 net.local.stream.recvspace=65536 net.local.stream.sendspace=65536 net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_max=16777216 net.inet.ip.random_id=1 # Allow for up 2 GB of wired memory. vm.max_wired=524288 2013/10/14 Carlos Jacobo Puga Medina cjpug...@gmail.com Hi people, I'm very interested to tuning /etc/sysctl.conf according to the specifications of my PC. I've been reading some guides [1], tutorials [2-3], QA [4] and the FreeBSD Handbook's related section 12.12 Tuning with sysctl(8), but I think it's much more convenient if I contrast it with other examples or experienced users. Here is my relevant info outputs for help to improve the sysctl(8) variables. % uname -a FreeBSD freebsd 9.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE #0 r255898: Fri Sep 27 03:52:52 UTC 2013 r...@bake.isc.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 % dmesg | grep CPU CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz (2394.06-MHz 686-class CPU) cpu0: ACPI CPU on acpi0 p4tcc0: CPU Frequency Thermal Control on cpu0 % dmesg | grep memory real memory = 2147483648 (2048 MB) avail memory = 2082701312 (1986 MB) % pciconf -lvv | grep -n2 Ethernet 41-sis0@pci0:0:4:0: class=0x02 card=0x80a71043 chip=0x09001039 rev=0x91 hdr=0x00 42-vendor = 'Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]' 43:device = 'SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet' 44-class = network 45-subclass = ethernet My /etc/sysctl.conf # $FreeBSD: release/9.2.0/etc/sysctl.conf 112200 2003-03-13 18:43:50Z mux $ # # This file is read when going to multi-user and its contents piped thru # ``sysctl'' to adjust kernel values. ``man 5 sysctl.conf'' for details. # # Uncomment this to prevent users from seeing information about processes that # are being run under another UID. #security.bsd.see_other_uids=0 vfs.usermount=1 hw.snd.default_unit=2 kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=16777216 kern.ipc.nmbclusters=32768 kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed=1 kern.ipc.somaxconn=8192 kern.maxfiles=65536 kern.maxfilesperproc=32768 net.inet.tcp.blackhole=2 net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=0 net.inet.tcp.path_mtu_discovery=0 net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_auto=1 net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_inc=16384 net.inet.tcp.recvbuf_max=16777216 net.inet.tcp.recvspace=65536 net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=1 net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_auto=1 net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_inc=8192 net.inet.tcp.sendspace=65536 net.inet.udp.blackhole=1 net.inet.udp.maxdgram=57344 net.inet.udp.recvspace=65536 net.local.stream.recvspace=65536 net.local.stream.sendspace=65536 net.inet.tcp.sendbuf_max=16777216 net.inet.ip.random_id=1 http://serverfault.com/questions/64356/freebsd-performance-tuning-sysctls-loader-conf-kernel # Allow for up 2 GB of wired memory. vm.max_wired=524288 I will appreciate any input about the subject. --CJPM [1] http://harryd71.blogspot.com.es/2008/10/tuning-freenas-zfs.html [2] https://wiki.freebsd.org/SystemTuning#SYSCTL_TUNING [3] https://wiki.freebsd.org/NetworkPerformanceTuning [4] http://serverfault.com/questions/64356/freebsd-performance-tuning-sysctls-loader-conf-kernel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD, Centos and ZFS
On Oct 12, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Mark Felder wrote: On Sat, Oct 12, 2013, at 10:53, aurfalien wrote: Hi, I would like to first say that by no means is this a hey, why is my Mac faster then my PC kind of email. I'm really hoping its an LSI driver issue. It may very well be an LSI firmware issue. What are the firmwares for those HBAs? Hi, So the firmware versions are as follows; Intel RS25GB008 which is a rebadged LSI 9207-8e which uses the LSI 2308 controller; Intel firmware13.00.66.00-IT LSI 9206-16e which uses the LSI 2308 controller as well; LSI firmware 17.00.01.00-IT Should I specifically set any of the card settings like hook int or bypass int hook... etc...? - aurf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
On 10/14/2013 6:16 PM, CeDeROM wrote: Isn't there Journal to prevent and reverse such damage? Unlike other journaling filesystems, UFS+J only protects the metadata, not the data itself - i.e. I think it ensures you won't have to run a manual fsck, but just like plain old UFS files may be truncated as the journal is replayed. For ext3, https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/ext3.txt explains the different modes, with 'ordered' being default: Data Mode - There are 3 different data modes: * writeback mode In data=writeback mode, ext3 does not journal data at all. This mode provides a similar level of journaling as that of XFS, JFS, and ReiserFS in its default mode - metadata journaling. A crash+recovery can cause incorrect data to appear in files which were written shortly before the crash. This mode will typically provide the best ext3 performance. * ordered mode In data=ordered mode, ext3 only officially journals metadata, but it logically groups metadata and data blocks into a single unit called a transaction. When it's time to write the new metadata out to disk, the associated data blocks are written first. In general, this mode performs slightly slower than writeback but significantly faster than journal mode. * journal mode data=journal mode provides full data and metadata journaling. All new data is written to the journal first, and then to its final location. In the event of a crash, the journal can be replayed, bringing both data and metadata into a consistent state. This mode is the slowest except when data needs to be read from and written to disk at the same time where it outperforms all other modes. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:34:36 +0200 David Demelier wrote: On 14.10.2013 14:39, RW wrote: If you are having problems with data integrity you might try gjournal or zfs instead. Why? SU+J is enabled by default. Isn't the purpose of a journaled file system to ensure that any bad shutdown will protect data? SU+J isn't a journalled filesytem, it's a filesystem with soft-updates that journals information about free space so it can be recovered without having to go through the whole filesystem. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports
Hi, I'm following the recipe at the end of man portmaster for deleting and reinstalling all my ports, which I have done many times in the past. This time, I am getting errors on the portmaster -Faf step involving deleted ports, and I'm not sure how to deal with this easily. What errors, exactly? Well, for example: portmaster -Faf it starts to fetch a bunch of files it finds a port which has been deleted, such as linux-base-fc4 and it says, linux-base-fc4 has been deleted. terminating terminating terminating etc. So, I am seeking expert advice here. Is there a way to automate this and keep myself out of trouble, or do I need to do a 'port-by-port' upgrade of each port? It should just work. Have you converted to pkgng? I dream of the day that the ports system will just work. I don't use binary packages, are you saying that pkgng will deal with this issue automatically? Thanks, Scott ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: On 10/14/2013 6:16 PM, CeDeROM wrote: Isn't there Journal to prevent and reverse such damage? Unlike other journaling filesystems, UFS+J only protects the metadata, not the data itself - i.e. I think it ensures you won't have to run a manual fsck, but just like plain old UFS files may be truncated as the journal is replayed. Thank you for explaining :-) So it looks that it would be sensible to force filesystem check every n-th mount..? Or to do a filesystem check after crash..? Are there any flags like that to mark filesystem unclean and to force fsck after n-th mount? That would assume disabling journal and soft updates journaling I guess..? What would be the best option for best data integrity in case of crash? That would be helpful for development systems I guess :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
On 10/14/2013 7:33 PM, CeDeROM wrote: Thank you for explaining :-) So it looks that it would be sensible to force filesystem check every n-th mount..? Or to do a filesystem check after crash..? Are there any flags like that to mark filesystem unclean and to force fsck after n-th mount? That would assume disabling journal and soft updates journaling I guess..? What would be the best option for best data integrity in case of crash? That would be helpful for development systems I guess :-) As I understand it UFS+J gives the same reliability as UFS with a normal fsck after a crash, so on a development system the only ways to improve the situation would be to mount with the 'sync' option, disable write caching on the disk or to switch to a different filesystem like ZFS. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 1:33 PM, CeDeROM cede...@tlen.pl wrote: Thank you for explaining :-) So it looks that it would be sensible to force filesystem check every n-th mount..? Please explain the logic in which this helps anything. Or to do a filesystem check after crash..? Already standard behavior as implicitly seen in this thread. Are there any flags like that to mark filesystem unclean and to force fsck after n-th mount? No and any fs that requires such a system is broken by design. That would assume disabling journal and soft updates journaling I guess..? What would be the best option for best data integrity in case of crash? mount -o sync or use ZFS. Both require hardware that correctly report success to fsync. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.comwrote: mount -o sync should be mount sync -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
On Oct 14, 2013, at 11:33 AM, CeDeROM cede...@tlen.pl wrote: On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: On 10/14/2013 6:16 PM, CeDeROM wrote: Isn't there Journal to prevent and reverse such damage? Unlike other journaling filesystems, UFS+J only protects the metadata, not the data itself - i.e. I think it ensures you won't have to run a manual fsck, but just like plain old UFS files may be truncated as the journal is replayed. Thank you for explaining :-) So it looks that it would be sensible to force filesystem check every n-th mount..? You shouldn't ever need to recheck the filesystem if it was shutdown cleanly. However, it doesn't hurt to fire off an fsck once a year or so just to look for any unexpected issues. Or to do a filesystem check after crash..? Yes. Without journalling, you'd normally perform the full timeconsuming fsck in the foreground. With journalling, it should be able to do a journal replay to restore the filesystem to an OK state, but sometimes that doesn't restore consistency, in which case it usually fires off a background fsck rather than the foreground fsck. Are there any flags like that to mark filesystem unclean and to force fsck after n-th mount? That would assume disabling journal and soft updates journaling I guess..? /etc/rc.conf should support something like the following to do what you ask: fsck_y_enable=YES background_fsck=NO force_fsck=YES What would be the best option for best data integrity in case of crash? That would be helpful for development systems I guess :-) Well, you can use mount -o sync and disable write caching via hw.ata.wc=0 or similar depending on what kind of drives you use. This will cause a massive loss of write performance, but will greatly improve reliability-- i.e. fsync() and such are not as likely to lie about whether bits have made it to disk, even in the face of hardware which lies about ATA_FLUSHCACHE (or SCSI SYNCHRONIZE CACHE, etc). Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
Thank you all for good hints! This will come handy! :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
NFS locks rpcbind port = 0 failed? - try #2
This is a continuation of 9.1 VM nfs3 locks over VPN - trying a different angle maybe it'll jostle someones memory. I now have a FreeBSD 9.2 VM at an offsite hosting company. hostname nl101vpn OpenVPN is installed on it, routed not bridged mode. I have multiple OSs installed on local network. I'm already exportings NFS off 9.1 with working locks. export nfsv3 or nfsv4 from nl101vpn - locks do not work. export nfsv3 from any local system, mount on nl101vpn - locks work. export nfsv3 from locally installed VM, mount on any local host or nl101vpn - locks work. No OpenVPN installed on it though. I even ran a tcpdump to see if something was getting lost - both sides match, nothing is getting dropped nl101vpn - /var/log/messages: Oct 14 12:21:01 nl101 kernel: NLM: failed to contact remote rpcbind, stat = 0, port = 0 (why port 0?) Oct 14 12:23:02 nl101 last message repeated 109 times Oct 14 12:25:48 nl101 last message repeated 177 times So I haven't exhausted every combination, or completely 100% replicated whats happening offsite, but it's getting pretty ridiculous now... I'm lost, and I need locking. Help :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Bruce Cran wrote: On 10/14/2013 6:16 PM, CeDeROM wrote: Isn't there Journal to prevent and reverse such damage? Unlike other journaling filesystems, UFS+J only protects the metadata, not the data itself - i.e. I think it ensures you won't have to run a manual fsck, but just like plain old UFS files may be truncated as the journal is replayed. This discussion skirts the critical issue - are files that are not open for writing endangered? No description of the uses of journaling can be considered informative if it doesn't address that explicitly. As a naive user I have always assumed that once closed, a file was invulnerable to improper shutdowns, but this discussion shakes that belief. I expect the answer may be different for SSD and spinning disks. dan feenberg ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:48:18 -0700 Charles Swiger wrote: Yes. Without journalling, you'd normally perform the full timeconsuming fsck in the foreground. Journalling removes the need for the background fsck which only recovers lost space. With journalling, it should be able to do a journal replay to restore the filesystem to an OK state, My understanding is that the journal does nothing to restore the filesystem other than keep track of orphaned memory. In all other respect it's the job of soft-updates to keep the filesystem in an OK state. When it doesn't you need a foreground check. but sometimes that doesn't restore consistency, in which case it usually fires off a background fsck rather than the foreground fsck. I think if the journal fails, you would really need to run at least a foreground preen, maybe a full fsck. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
Charles Swiger wrote: [snip] Yes. Without journalling, you'd normally perform the full timeconsuming fsck in the foreground. With journalling, it should be able to do a journal replay to restore the filesystem to an OK state, but sometimes that doesn't restore consistency, in which case it usually fires off a background fsck rather than the foreground fsck. In my case the journal replay failed, with an error to that effect. All partitions other than / failed to mount and after hitting enter at the .../bin/sh prompt performed manual fsck on all of them, which found and fixed some stuff. Then shutdown -r and everything came up fine (clean) afterwards. Net result was no data loss for me. [snip] -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:48:18 -0700 Charles Swiger wrote: fsck_y_enable=YES One of the most annoying things about SU+J is that fsck asks if you want to use the journal. So fsck -y wont do a proper check unless the journal replay fails. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports
On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Scott Ballantyne wrote: I'm following the recipe at the end of man portmaster for deleting and reinstalling all my ports, which I have done many times in the past. This time, I am getting errors on the portmaster -Faf step involving deleted ports, and I'm not sure how to deal with this easily. What errors, exactly? Well, for example: portmaster -Faf it starts to fetch a bunch of files it finds a port which has been deleted, such as linux-base-fc4 and it says, linux-base-fc4 has been deleted. terminating terminating terminating etc. That's correct. linux_base-fc4 is long gone (years), replaced by linux_base-f10. portmaster sees no way to upgrade that port, so evidently it quits. If you have ports that far out of date, the upgrade process is going to be long. Ports where the system does not know the replacement will have to be handled manually. So, I am seeking expert advice here. Is there a way to automate this and keep myself out of trouble, or do I need to do a 'port-by-port' upgrade of each port? It should just work. Have you converted to pkgng? I dream of the day that the ports system will just work. I don't use binary packages, are you saying that pkgng will deal with this issue automatically? No, the concern was that you might have already converted to pkgng but still used the old package tools. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
On 14.10.2013 20:08, RW wrote: On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:34:36 +0200 David Demelier wrote: On 14.10.2013 14:39, RW wrote: If you are having problems with data integrity you might try gjournal or zfs instead. Why? SU+J is enabled by default. Isn't the purpose of a journaled file system to ensure that any bad shutdown will protect data? SU+J isn't a journalled filesytem, it's a filesystem with soft-updates that journals information about free space so it can be recovered without having to go through the whole filesystem. Okay, but why the fsck didn't run by itself to detect that the journal didn't replayed correctly (if I understanding well) to correct the issues? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
On 14.10.2013 18:47, Adam Vande More wrote: There is no *warranty* as explicitly stated in http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html Aha, please don't play on words ;-). I think you understood I was speaking about the filesystem state not a lawyer issue. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
On 14.10.2013 20:43, Adam Vande More wrote: On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 1:33 PM, CeDeROM cede...@tlen.pl mailto:cede...@tlen.pl wrote: Thank you for explaining :-) So it looks that it would be sensible to force filesystem check every n-th mount..? Please explain the logic in which this helps anything. Or to do a filesystem check after crash..? Already standard behavior as implicitly seen in this thread. Are there any flags like that to mark filesystem unclean and to force fsck after n-th mount? No and any fs that requires such a system is broken by design. That would assume disabling journal and soft updates journaling I guess..? What would be the best option for best data integrity in case of crash? mount -o sync or use ZFS. Both require hardware that correctly report success to fsync. I personnally love ZFS and use it massively on my server, but for a desktop I think this is a real overkill. Also I don't have so much RAM to waste for that. I think UFS is enough, however as a modern operating system I don't expect any data corruption by default using SU+J. The filesystem domain is not a thing I really know deeply, so thanks for all you explanation. PS: the power failure is not the only way that does not shutdown cleanly the system. There are kernel panics, crash and such of course. Those which appears sometimes too. Regards, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
Hi-- On Oct 14, 2013, at 11:51 AM, Daniel Feenberg feenb...@nber.org wrote: This discussion skirts the critical issue - are files that are not open for writing endangered? No description of the uses of journaling can be considered informative if it doesn't address that explicitly. As a naive user I have always assumed that once closed, a file was invulnerable to improper shutdowns, but this discussion shakes that belief. Well, it's good to be a little paranoid if the data matters. :-) First, unless you call fsync() before close() and your OS and/or drive hardware isn't being deceptive when fsync() returns about whether the bits have made it to permanent storage, then you might be surprised at just how long the unwritten buffers containing the last updates to the file data take to get properly flushed to disk. I expect the answer may be different for SSD and spinning disks. Second, this is an excellent point: however, it also applies to anything where the actual hardware block size does not match the device blocksize that the filesystem thinks it has-- so new 4K sector rotational disks also have some risk. The basic issue with SSDs is that you (or the drive firmware, more precisely) need to read in an entire hardware sector, update the portion with changes in cache memory, do a bulk-erase of that block, and then scribble that back out. Good drive firmware actually writes out to a different block than the original for wear-leveling purposes and only updates the flash translation layer once the new version of that block is written. That makes the drive mostly immune to major data integrity issues even if powered off in the middle of the process. Less-than-good firmware, aka buggy firmware, can lead from power-failure to data loss of files which were not being modified at the time. And may you possess recent working backups if the FTL somehow ever gets confused! Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
On Oct 14, 2013, at 12:41 PM, RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:48:18 -0700 Charles Swiger wrote: Yes. Without journalling, you'd normally perform the full timeconsuming fsck in the foreground. Journalling removes the need for the background fsck which only recovers lost space. That and inode link changes (ie, adding or removing files from a directory). With journalling, it should be able to do a journal replay to restore the filesystem to an OK state, My understanding is that the journal does nothing to restore the filesystem other than keep track of orphaned memory. In all other respect it's the job of soft-updates to keep the filesystem in an OK state. Yes, SU is supposed to reorder filesystem operations to provide some level of ACID transaction semantics-- and the journal helps that by avoiding the need for bgfsck. When it doesn't you need a foreground check. but sometimes that doesn't restore consistency, in which case it usually fires off a background fsck rather than the foreground fsck. I think if the journal fails, you would really need to run at least a foreground preen, maybe a full fsck. Yes. Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Do I really have to install 80 packages?
On 10/13/13 17:38, Thomas Mueller wrote: On the question of playing Adobe Flash in FreeBSD, could one use the MS-Windows 32-bit version with (i386-)Wine? I plan to try that. Apparently that won't solve much. The primary issue now with watching flash movies is the drm - on linux it somehow uses hal and dbus, on windows it uses the registry. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports
On Mon, 14 oct 2013, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Scott Ballantyne wrote: What errors, exactly? Well, for example: portmaster -Faf it starts to fetch a bunch of files it finds a port which has been deleted, such as linux-base-fc4 and it says, linux-base-fc4 has been deleted. terminating terminating terminating etc. That's correct. linux_base-fc4 is long gone (years), replaced by linux_base-f10. portmaster sees no way to upgrade that port, so evidently it quits. I understand why portmaster quits that port. It does seem like a bit of over-kill to quit updating ALL ports because one is long gone. Seems like it could do the others. If you have ports that far out of date, the upgrade process is going to be long. Ports where the system does not know the replacement will have to be handled manually. Actually, the last time I updated my ports was when I installed 9.0, and I used the portmaster 'nuke all ports' method I was trying to day. Since then, several dozen ports of been 'deleted' or 'renamed', not just the linux_base-fc4. Seems in the case of ports which have been renamed or replaced, this could in fact be simply automated in most cases. Best, Scott -- s...@ssr.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Scott Ballantyne s...@ssr.com wrote: I understand why portmaster quits that port. Because it has no choice. It does seem like a bit of over-kill to quit updating ALL ports because one is long gone. Seems like it could do the others. So it should continue on and potentially build 1000's of ports with broken linking and dependencies? Portupgrade will do this if you tell it. Try it out and see what fun you can create. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD, Centos and ZFS
On Oct 12, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Mark Felder wrote: On Sat, Oct 12, 2013, at 10:53, aurfalien wrote: Hi, I would like to first say that by no means is this a hey, why is my Mac faster then my PC kind of email. I'm really hoping its an LSI driver issue. It may very well be an LSI firmware issue. What are the firmwares for those HBAs? Upon doing this; sysctl -a | grep mps I get this; dev.mps.0.driver_version: 14.00.00.01-fbsd LSIs site mentions the latest drives at being 17.00.00.00 I'll go ahead and install the latest to see what happens. Whats the best way to do this, I assume build it and load via loader.conf? - aurf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports
On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Scott Ballantyne wrote: On Mon, 14 oct 2013, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Scott Ballantyne wrote: What errors, exactly? Well, for example: portmaster -Faf it starts to fetch a bunch of files it finds a port which has been deleted, such as linux-base-fc4 and it says, linux-base-fc4 has been deleted. terminating terminating terminating etc. That's correct. linux_base-fc4 is long gone (years), replaced by linux_base-f10. portmaster sees no way to upgrade that port, so evidently it quits. I understand why portmaster quits that port. It does seem like a bit of over-kill to quit updating ALL ports because one is long gone. Seems like it could do the others. Some of them. It could not update any ports that depend on missing ports, which conflicts with the -a meaning all. If you have ports that far out of date, the upgrade process is going to be long. Ports where the system does not know the replacement will have to be handled manually. Actually, the last time I updated my ports was when I installed 9.0, and I used the portmaster 'nuke all ports' method I was trying to day. Since then, several dozen ports of been 'deleted' or 'renamed', not just the linux_base-fc4. Seems in the case of ports which have been renamed or replaced, this could in fact be simply automated in most cases. I think it does handle renamed ports. Whether the ones it does not handle are due to missing functionality or because they are difficult or impossible to handle, don't know. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports
Adam Vande More wrote: It does seem like a bit of over-kill to quit updating ALL ports because one is long gone. Seems like it could do the others. So it should continue on and potentially build 1000's of ports with broken linking and dependencies? Portupgrade will do this if you tell it. Try it out and see what fun you can create. Not a single program on my system depended on that program being rebuilt. Portmaster should certainly refuse to rebuild anything that did, of course. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports
On Mon 14 Oct 2013 Warren Block wrote: On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Scott Ballantyne wrote: On Mon, 14 oct 2013, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Scott Ballantyne wrote: Actually, the last time I updated my ports was when I installed 9.0, and I used the portmaster 'nuke all ports' method I was trying to day. Since then, several dozen ports of been 'deleted' or 'renamed', not just the linux_base-fc4. Seems in the case of ports which have been renamed or replaced, this could in fact be simply automated in most cases. I think it does handle renamed ports. Whether the ones it does not handle are due to missing functionality or because they are difficult or impossible to handle, don't know. Such was not my experience, Warren. And actually, a google search while I was trying to solve this turned up many reports of the same problem over the past years. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Scott Ballantyne s...@ssr.com wrote: Adam Vande More wrote: It does seem like a bit of over-kill to quit updating ALL ports because one is long gone. Seems like it could do the others. So it should continue on and potentially build 1000's of ports with broken linking and dependencies? Portupgrade will do this if you tell it. Try it out and see what fun you can create. Not a single program on my system depended on that program being rebuilt. And what about libs it may have left behind and other ports picking up faulty info? Then you build unsupported and faultly packages and complain to the list when something doesn't work. Just follow /usr/ports/UPDATING as advised instead of your shortcuts. Portmaster should certainly refuse to rebuild anything that did, of course. Exactly what it did. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Do I really have to install 80 packages?
On the question of playing Adobe Flash in FreeBSD, could one use the MS-Windows 32-bit version with (i386-)Wine? I plan to try that. Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
SU+J Lost files after a power failure
Hello there, I'm writing because after a power failure I was unable to log in on my FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE. The SU+J journal were executed correctly but some files disappeared, including /etc/pwd.db. Thus I was unable to log in. I've been able to regenerate the password database with a live cd but I'm afraid that more files had disappeared somewhere else... I think this is a serious issue, the journal should not truncate files, so something should have gone wrong somewhere.. Any ideas? Should I open a PR? Regards, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
On 13 Oct 2013 11:30, David Demelier demelier.da...@gmail.com wrote: Hello there, I'm writing because after a power failure I was unable to log in on my FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE. The SU+J journal were executed correctly but some files disappeared, including /etc/pwd.db. Thus I was unable to log in. I've been able to regenerate the password database with a live cd but I'm afraid that more files had disappeared somewhere else... I think this is a serious issue, the journal should not truncate files, so something should have gone wrong somewhere.. Any ideas? Should I open a PR I had similar issues somewhere around 9.0 - although journal check was fine running fsck revealed filesystem inconsistency. I have reported this on the list, but it seemed unnoticed..? For me this is serious issue as well, if you make PR I will give +1 :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
On 13.10.2013 12:16, CeDeROM wrote: On 13 Oct 2013 11:30, David Demelier demelier.da...@gmail.com mailto:demelier.da...@gmail.com wrote: Hello there, I'm writing because after a power failure I was unable to log in on my FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE. The SU+J journal were executed correctly but some files disappeared, including /etc/pwd.db. Thus I was unable to log in. I've been able to regenerate the password database with a live cd but I'm afraid that more files had disappeared somewhere else... I think this is a serious issue, the journal should not truncate files, so something should have gone wrong somewhere.. Any ideas? Should I open a PR I had similar issues somewhere around 9.0 - although journal check was fine running fsck revealed filesystem inconsistency. I have reported this on the list, but it seemed unnoticed..? For me this is serious issue as well, if you make PR I will give +1 :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info Yes, I've also ran fsck in single user mode after and lot of incorrect things were corrected, I wait a bit for answers (if any) before sending a PR. Cheers, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
APC BE750G Power Saving Battery Back-UPS
I have the opportunity to replace an aging UPS with a new APC BE750G Power Saving Battery Back-UPS one. My question is if anyone here has ever used this device under FreeBSD. APC does not have, or at least I couldn't find any, software for a FreeBSD system. Without the software, the unit is basically useless. I Googled and found an old message regarding FreeBSD and a similar UPS http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-October/062543.html dated 10/2004. Are those issues still relevant? According to http://www.apcupsd.com/manual/#freebsd I need to insure that this is a SmartUPS The unit I am looking at does not qualify. I might add that my present unit is connected to a Windows machine. I intend to replace that one and hook up both PCs to it. -- Carmel ✌ carmel...@hotmail.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Is it possible to suspend to disk with geli+Root on ZFS installation
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:17:20 +1000, yudi v wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Ian Smith smi...@nimnet.asn.au wrote: In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 486, Issue 7, Message: 5 On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:25:33 +0200 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 05:37:55PM +1000, yudi v wrote: Hi all, Is it possible to suspend to disk (hibernate) when using geli for full disk encryption. [..] I must reiterate, FreeBSD does not support Suspend to Disk (state S4 aka 'hibernate') on ANY platform, except - perhaps - on machines supporting S4 in BIOS (hw.acpi.s4bios=1) which are very rarely spotted in the wild. And even suspend to RAM doesn't work on every machine [2]. [2]: https://wiki.freebsd.org/IdeasPage#Suspend_to_disk That page IS about Suspend to Disk - but only as a wishlist idea, as it has been for many years. Someone did take it on as a Google SoC project years ago, but nothing ever came of it to my knowledge. [..] Thanks Ian for clarifying that FreeBSD does not support Suspend to Disk. I just assumed all major distros supported all the suspend states. Now I am looking for a UPS that cleanly shuts down the machine when there is a power outage. Hi Yudi, you haven't said what sort of machine (desktop/server/laptop) or how long a mains power fail runtime you're after, so it's impossible to guess what sort of size UPS you might need .. I am looking at a APC Power-Saving Back-UPS ES 8 Outlet 700VA 230V AS 3112http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BE700G-AZtotal_watts=200tab=features, I don't know about that model; it makes no mention of shutdown alert / control at all, only 'some models' have a USB connector, and I couldn't find the manual for it there. Certainly not all 'desktop' UPSes support what's needed to communicate and shutdown cleanly, so check carefully both the specs and that software (apcupsd or nut) supports the model. I gather from your timestamp (and that model) that you may be in Australia, in which case you could browse from here for the APCs: http://www.apc.com/products/category.cfm?id=13ISOCountryCode=au [However that page currently throws errors on the various model links of 'Element CACHE.APCTOSECOUNTRYMAPPINGS is undefined in APPLICATION.' :( ] anyone know if apcupsd daemon works fine under FreeBSD or should I be looking at Network UPS Tools (NUT). I'm sure there are people here who can advise. I've only setup Eaton and PowerWare UPSes, and those on a Debian linux server, using NUT. cheers, Ian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: APC BE750G Power Saving Battery Back-UPS
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013, Carmel wrote: I have the opportunity to replace an aging UPS with a new APC BE750G Power Saving Battery Back-UPS one. My question is if anyone here has ever used this device under FreeBSD. APC does not have, or at least I couldn't find any, software for a FreeBSD system. Without the software, the unit is basically useless. I Googled and found an old message regarding FreeBSD and a similar UPS http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-October/062543.html dated 10/2004. Are those issues still relevant? According to http://www.apcupsd.com/manual/#freebsd I need to insure that this is a SmartUPS The unit I am looking at does not qualify. I might add that my present unit is connected to a Windows machine. I intend to replace that one and hook up both PCs to it. sysutils/apcupsd works with a lot of APC units. Offhand, I know it works with a several-year-old Back-UPS XS unit (not mine), and with all my older Smart-UPS units. Mac people say that apcupsd works with the BE750G: http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20100314155518972 The Smart-UPS models are preferred for better quality. In some of the newer units, APC has gone to a proprietary communications protocol. The problem units are shown on the apcupsd.com site. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
about setfib arpresolve
Hello On freebsd 8 i get kernel: arpresolve: can't allocate llinfo for x.x.x.x How can i get rid off this issue? I saw http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/167947 but how can i patch it ? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Authorisation Errors on 9.2
I have two strange errors but I am not sure whether they are related. ERROR-1: Slim allows login without checking for password. /var/log/auth.log shows: Oct 13 11:44:57: slim: gkr-pam: no password is available for user Oct 13 11:44:57: gnome-keyring-daemon[1225]: couldn't allocate secure memory to keep passwords and or keys from being written to the disk ERROR-2: sshd disconnects (drops) client connections immediately after login. This happens when trying from host its self or some other client. Testing from host (162.168.1.10 is host's IP) $ ssh root@192.168.1.10 Password for root@server.freebsd: Last login: Sun Oct 13 13:02:09 2013 Welcome to myNetwork (the motd message) csh: No such file or directory Connection to 192.168.1.10 closed. /var/log/auth.log for ssh shows: Oct 13 19:41:37: Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22. Oct 13 19:42:37: Accepted keyboard-interactive/pam for root from 192.168.1.10 port 33248 ssh2 Oct 13 19:42:37: Received disconnect from 192.168.1.10: 11: disconnected by user Thanks for any advice on how to resolve these two issues. - FreeBSD-9.2-stable_amd64_root-on-zfs_clang-only-world -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Authorisation-Errors-on-9-2-tp5851543.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Reinstall without reformat
Hi all. Is it possible to install FreeBSD without formatting the disk? I have one directory of data that I want to keep. I can boot from the installer and rm every directory except that (/bin /boot etc), but how could I install the OS from there? I've done ZFS on root installs with the shell and mounting the zpool to /mnt, would that work here too? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Authorisation Errors on 9.2
On 13/10/2013 18:08, Beeblebrox wrote: I have two strange errors but I am not sure whether they are related. ERROR-1: Slim allows login without checking for password. /var/log/auth.log shows: Oct 13 11:44:57: slim: gkr-pam: no password is available for user Oct 13 11:44:57: gnome-keyring-daemon[1225]: couldn't allocate secure memory to keep passwords and or keys from being written to the disk ERROR-2: sshd disconnects (drops) client connections immediately after login. This happens when trying from host its self or some other client. Testing from host (162.168.1.10 is host's IP) $ ssh root@192.168.1.10 Password for root@server.freebsd: Last login: Sun Oct 13 13:02:09 2013 Welcome to myNetwork (the motd message) csh: No such file or directory Connection to 192.168.1.10 closed. /var/log/auth.log for ssh shows: Oct 13 19:41:37: Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22. Oct 13 19:42:37: Accepted keyboard-interactive/pam for root from 192.168.1.10 port 33248 ssh2 Oct 13 19:42:37: Received disconnect from 192.168.1.10: 11: disconnected by user Thanks for any advice on how to resolve these two issues. The gnome keyring demon does that. I believe it's only warning and I've never dug in to the source to find out more but I think it's something it can only do on Linux. I'm sure someone will be along in a minute with something to say about that. As to the second problem - csh: No such file or directory. At the risk of pointing out the trivial, is root's home directory valid? Why not post /etc/passwd and we'll check :-) Could it be a dud /root/.tcshrc? Or /etc/login.conf? I assume you've configured sshd to allow direct root logins. If you hadn't I think you get a different rejection message (but who knows with 9.2?) Regards, Frank. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SU+J Lost files after a power failure
On 13.10.2013 12:16, CeDeROM wrote: On 13 Oct 2013 11:30, David Demelier demelier.da...@gmail.com mailto:demelier.da...@gmail.com wrote: Hello there, I'm writing because after a power failure I was unable to log in on my FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE. The SU+J journal were executed correctly but some files disappeared, including /etc/pwd.db. Thus I was unable to log in. I've been able to regenerate the password database with a live cd but I'm afraid that more files had disappeared somewhere else... I think this is a serious issue, the journal should not truncate files, so something should have gone wrong somewhere.. Any ideas? Should I open a PR I had similar issues somewhere around 9.0 - although journal check was fine running fsck revealed filesystem inconsistency. I have reported this on the list, but it seemed unnoticed..? For me this is serious issue as well, if you make PR I will give +1 :-) CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info Yes, I've also ran fsck in single user mode after and lot of incorrect things were corrected, I wait a bit for answers (if any) before sending a PR. Running fsck in single-user mode may not be sufficient. You may need to run fsck_ffs from a USB-stick installation or live CD. I remember reviving a FreeBSD partition that way, normal root partition not mounted. I once revived a FreeBSD partition with fsck_ffs from a USB-stick installation of NetBSD 5.1_STABLE i386 after FreeBSD couldn't do it. It helps to have a UPS to protect against short power failures and allow graceful shutdown on longer power outages. Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Tunnelling between Cisco and Freebsd
Hi all, I am running FreeBSD 9.2. The FreeBSD server in on a private IP, 192.168.1.6. I have only one public IP and that's on my verizon firewall configured to port forward to my FreeBSD server. I do not control the Cisco device, but here is the config that was sent to me: interface Tunnel10 ip address 10.1.1.1 255.255.255.252 tunnel source GigabitEthernet0/0/2.1 (187.255.253.1) tunnel destination 107.48.4.129 Here is what I did on my FreeBSD: ifconfig gre0 create ifconfig gre0 10.1.1.2 10.1.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.252 ifconfig gre0 tunnel 192.168.1.6 187.255.253.1 Now I can ping 10.1.1.1 (his end) But when I try to add a static route for his subnets via his tunnel IP, it fails root@devsrvr:/root # route add -net 187.255.252.0/22http://197.255.252.0/2210.1.1.1 route: writing to routing socket: Network is unreachable add net 187.255.252.0 http://197.255.252.0: gateway 10.1.1.1: Network is unreachable Am I missing anything? It's my first time configuring a Tunnel. Thanks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Adoble Flash troubles on 9.2-RELEASE
On 10/12/13 20:37, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 11:52 +0200, David Demelier wrote: I don't like much chrome but I'll give a try to see. +1 It's not a browser I like. Since I'm using my computer for audio production my FreeBSD isn't maintained, I need to use Linux, so I don't know if Chrome is available for FreeBSD. When I google (resp. startpage.com search) for FreeBSD and Chrome, it seems to be that the hits aren't about Chrome, but Chromium instead. Chromium doesn't include Adobe Flash, https://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChrome . Sorry for the noise. At least we could use Adobe Flash by Chrome with FreeBSD in a virtual machine running a Linux instead of a Windows guest. Or is Chrome available for FreeBSD too? Perhaps you should post the links that don't work with the latest Linux version of Adobe Flash, so others could test if the issue is really caused by Flash Player and not by something else. To add more confusion to this fray, although it may not help with gray screen issue, the only reason chromium works (yes, just install the nspluginwrapper as per the handbook) is that it is better suited to the new pepper style Adobe is going with now. FWIW, I did put in a port to fix drm issues on any site which was stopping videos playing (again, not your specific issue, but what appears to be in discussion here) and which allows flash to work using any browser - uses linux dbus libraries (weird). Not sure of the status though. Cheers ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports
Hi, I'm following the recipe at the end of man portmaster for deleting and reinstalling all my ports, which I have done many times in the past. This time, I am getting errors on the portmaster -Faf step involving deleted ports, and I'm not sure how to deal with this easily. If the ports aren't in use, I have just deleted them, but for other things, such as libgsf-1.14.21_1, which is required by a dozen or more of my installed packages, it is not so easy. So, I am seeking expert advice here. Is there a way to automate this and keep myself out of trouble, or do I need to do a 'port-by-port' upgrade of each port? Thanks! Scott -- s...@ssr.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Reinstall without reformat
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:24:30 -0400, Kenta Suzumoto wrote: Hi all. Is it possible to install FreeBSD without formatting the disk? Yes. The installer supports not formatting existing partitions. The file system characteristica will be kept, possible content will overwritten. Note that superfluous content will also be kept, except of course you previously remove everything. I have one directory of data that I want to keep. You should still make a backup, because I want to keep does imply exactly that in regards of an OS installation. :-) I can boot from the installer and rm every directory except that (/bin /boot etc), but how could I install the OS from there? You simply re-enter the installer, assign the (existing, but now empty) partitions to the desired mountpoint, make sure _not_ to newfs them, and then commit to the installation as usual. An alternative would be, after preparing the partitions, mount them as desired and extract the installation datasets from the installation media manually (via shell commands). Still you might miss other steps the installer performs. I've done ZFS on root installs with the shell and mounting the zpool to /mnt, would that work here too? Probably yes (never tried that myself). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Advice sought on Portmaster -Faf and deleted ports
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013, Scott Ballantyne wrote: Hi, I'm following the recipe at the end of man portmaster for deleting and reinstalling all my ports, which I have done many times in the past. This time, I am getting errors on the portmaster -Faf step involving deleted ports, and I'm not sure how to deal with this easily. What errors, exactly? So, I am seeking expert advice here. Is there a way to automate this and keep myself out of trouble, or do I need to do a 'port-by-port' upgrade of each port? It should just work. Have you converted to pkgng? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Reinstall without reformat
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:01:02 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Polytropon wrote: On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:24:30 -0400, Kenta Suzumoto wrote: Hi all. Is it possible to install FreeBSD without formatting the disk? Yes. The installer supports not formatting existing partitions. The file system characteristica will be kept, possible content will overwritten. Note that superfluous content will also be kept, except of course you previously remove everything. sysinstall supported that, but AFAIK bsdinstall does not. Oh, seems you're right. I've checked The FreeBSD Handbook for the relevant instructions for using bsdinstall at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html and http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-final-warning.html and I didn't find an option to _not_ initialize existing partitions, even though it seems you can assign existing partitions without any problem. The remaining question: Will they be initialized again? I know that sysinstall had the option newfs toggle so you could skip the newfs step after you had assigned the existing partitions to the desired mountpoints. It can be seen at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/install-steps.html in Fig. 3.19 and 3.24. I have to admit that I didn't assume such a significant loss of functionality (that sysinstall provided!) in the new installer... :-( That's why maybe manually extracting the distribution files from the installation media, using the CLI tools, would probably the easiest thing: Manually mount existing partitions as desired, then extract the installation datasets, and apply any further modifications as needed. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Authorisation Errors on 9.2
Hi, I Inadvertently posted the gnome-keyring bit. That's almost standard error message on FreeBSD-Gnome. The relevant bit for the error is in fact: slim: gkr-pam: no password is available for user However, the user cannot login on a tty without providing a password. For ssh, the same error and dropped connection occurs for all users. sshd was modified to allow root login. All users have valid home directories defined. From /etc/passwd; I wonder if this has anything to do with it? sshd:*:22:22:Secure Shell Daemon:/var/empty:/usr/sbin/*nologin* Could it be a dud /root/.tcshrc? Or /etc/login.conf? The accounts which try to ssh login also login on host proper and do not have any login issues when logging-in directly on host - so I think we can eliminate these problems. Thanks and Regards - FreeBSD-9.2-stable_amd64_root-on-zfs_clang-only-world -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Authorisation-Errors-on-9-2-tp5851543p5851636.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Adoble Flash troubles on 9.2-RELEASE
Hi, The current linux-f10-flashplugin-11.2r202.310 version has some troubles on my machine (with Firefox). Sometimes, when a flash component is displayed and you scroll a bit the window the flash break and goes grey, you're forced to reload the page. I'm using the Intel new KMS driver if that matters, note that it never happened on my 9.1-RELEASE. Is anyone having a similar issue? Regards, David. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Adoble Flash troubles on 9.2-RELEASE
If you really need to visit sites that need Adobe Flash, you perhaps should use the google-chrome browser. For some websites with flash content, we don't need flash anymore, just modern HTML5 capable web browsers. For *nix there never will be a current version for flashplayer again. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Adoble Flash troubles on 9.2-RELEASE
On 12.10.2013 11:02, Ralf Mardorf wrote: If you really need to visit sites that need Adobe Flash, you perhaps should use the google-chrome browser. For some websites with flash content, we don't need flash anymore, just modern HTML5 capable web browsers. For *nix there never will be a current version for flashplayer again. Yes I know that adobe flash player for *nix is gone but I'm guessing why it worked well so much before.. I don't like much chrome but I'll give a try to see. Thanks for the hint! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Adoble Flash troubles on 9.2-RELEASE
On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 11:52 +0200, David Demelier wrote: I don't like much chrome but I'll give a try to see. +1 It's not a browser I like. Since I'm using my computer for audio production my FreeBSD isn't maintained, I need to use Linux, so I don't know if Chrome is available for FreeBSD. When I google (resp. startpage.com search) for FreeBSD and Chrome, it seems to be that the hits aren't about Chrome, but Chromium instead. Chromium doesn't include Adobe Flash, https://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChrome . Sorry for the noise. At least we could use Adobe Flash by Chrome with FreeBSD in a virtual machine running a Linux instead of a Windows guest. Or is Chrome available for FreeBSD too? Perhaps you should post the links that don't work with the latest Linux version of Adobe Flash, so others could test if the issue is really caused by Flash Player and not by something else. Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Do I really have to install 80 packages?
On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 05:31:56 +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 17:54:24 -0400, Glenn Sieb wrote: On 10/11/13 5:38 PM, Walter Hurry wrote: FreeBSD 9.1 I want ONE shared lib; i.e. rsvg.so, which is provided by x11-toolkits/py-gnome-desktop. Unfortunately, it seems that going the normal route I shall have to install 80! ports to get it. Is there an easier way? Actually I think you want x11-toolkits/gtk20..? Would pkg_add work for you? Maybe graphics/librsvg2 is better suited (even though it's version 2 of the library). The problem initially mentions will remain: lots of installation dependencies. Sadly, that seems to be normal today as modern software tends to rely on layers of libraries of abstraction of tools of utilities of stuff of layers of layers of other abstractions. :-) As you see: gnome-desktop and gtk20. That should bring your warning lights up: lots of dependencies ahead! When you try to install a simple desktop environment, you'll be confronted with hundreds of packages to be installed, some of them you've probably never had thought of in regards of what you need to install a desktop, such as two or more different databases, LaTeX, translators, and other surprising stuff. This will probably apply to most complex components and parts of desktop environments or X11 toolkits (as mentioned above). As I mentioned, the librsvg2 port will install lib/librsvg-2.so. It might require you to re-install your target application to link against that library. A library libsvg.so (without version number) doesn't seem to be in the ports tree by that name. My lazy man's method of searching what port might contain the library: Midnight Commander, go to /usr/ports, Meta-?, seach in pkg-plist, search for text librsvg and examine the results with PF3. This method relies on approaches that might be wrong... :-) Note that my (locally installed) ports tree is not up to date anymore so you should consider performing a search on a recent tree to make sure I didn't miss anything. Thanks Polytropon, but the one I needed was this: x11-toolkits/py-gnome-desktop/pkg-plist:%%PYTHON_SITELIBDIR%%/gtk-2.0/ rsvg.so I have given in, let it install all 80 ports, saved the one shlib I need and deleted the ports again. All is now well. By the way, I needed it for the 'screenlets' Python applications; in particular ClockScreenlet.py. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FreeBSD, Centos and ZFS
Hi, I would like to first say that by no means is this a hey, why is my Mac faster then my PC kind of email. I'm really hoping its an LSI driver issue. My hardware; 39 SATA drives via SAS expanders 2 SSD for ZIL 2 SSD for L2Arc 128GB ECC Ram Intel 2400SC Mobo 2 Xeon E5 Hexacore procs 2 LSI 9207 HBAs 1 LSI 9206 HBA I've 13 vdev RaidZ setup. Not a super system, but not a shabby one either. Used local (non network) IOzone and dd tests for some simple prelim testing just to gauge were I'm at with this bad boy. My ZFS tunables are the same BTW as I did some tweaks. My CentOS 6.4 box is a solid 20-30% faster then my FreeBSD 9.2 box. I've the graphs if any one is interested. But I'm hoping that some one has ran into this and that yes, there are some tweaks one can do to the LSI driver? I guess? Perhaps a sysctl value? I didn't want to vomit too much info in my first email about this so yes, its meant to be some what general with some decent info to get the dialogue started. Many thanks in advance for any insight. Linux is not an option as it does not return pre attributes on write replies which is important in our mostly NFS env. - aurf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD, Centos and ZFS
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013, at 10:53, aurfalien wrote: Hi, I would like to first say that by no means is this a hey, why is my Mac faster then my PC kind of email. I'm really hoping its an LSI driver issue. It may very well be an LSI firmware issue. What are the firmwares for those HBAs? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Do I really have to install 80 packages?
I don't know what others think, but what *I* really want is that the free software versions of Flash (gnash and klash, etc) work at least as well as versions of Adobe Flash do, or if versions of Adobe Flash are to be used, that it will be free and covered by the GPL. Its unlikely to happen unless we start a campaign among the Free Software users of the world to make Flash free software. Yes, I know HTML 5 is just around the corner, but we've seen a concerted effort already (in the European Parliament at least) to introduce DRM into HTML 5 and though it may make using Flash marginally easier, it would be a retrograde step if DRM is to be introduced. So what are we left with? Free software to replicate what Flash does (at least) that does not have the taint of proprietary software? Is that not an achievable goal? I can't code but would be willing to join a project with those achievable goals, but it hasn't appeared yet, so I don't seriously expect it will happen any time soon. ++ Graham Todd signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD, Centos and ZFS
On Oct 12, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Mark Felder wrote: On Sat, Oct 12, 2013, at 10:53, aurfalien wrote: Hi, I would like to first say that by no means is this a hey, why is my Mac faster then my PC kind of email. I'm really hoping its an LSI driver issue. It may very well be an LSI firmware issue. What are the firmwares for those HBAs? Well, the 2 LSI 9207s are rebadge Intel being Intel RS25GB008 ( http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/servers/raid/raid-controller-rs25gb008.html ) with the latest Intel firmware. The lone 9206-16e has the latest LSI firmware. Shall I downgrade to a particular version? I would love to resolve this performance oddity. Thanks for getting back to me, I know its a weird one with an annoying subject as its apples and oranges. I would be happy to get you exact info of anything I have, so feel free. - aurf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD, Centos and ZFS
On Oct 12, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Mark Felder wrote: On Sat, Oct 12, 2013, at 10:53, aurfalien wrote: Hi, I would like to first say that by no means is this a hey, why is my Mac faster then my PC kind of email. I'm really hoping its an LSI driver issue. It may very well be an LSI firmware issue. What are the firmwares for those HBAs? I'll get you the exact firmware revs on Monday. I can look on there site but would rather boot and record the exact numbers from there. - aurf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?
can i run exe files on freeBSD?it spoils fast or not?this question comes from fastest ever spoil OS windows which always spoil in a week seven times i think with things like errors or dll and many things from blue screen.do you have any problems within freeBSD or no problems?i dont like blue screen error or driver things and no matter what .how much total ram and bit is my pc of amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM?im always in internet watching live camers,what do you suggest me to use os type?i like to save pictures and videos and never lost them,if you think your os is gonna spoil and lost my all files then i dont need it.i want stable os and never to reinstall or update On Sunday, October 13, 2013 2:44 AM, cikitaluzza cikita100...@yahoo.com wrote: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?
what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?
On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 16:44:09 -0700 (PDT), cikitaluzza wrote: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM Try 9.2 for AMD64. The i386 version should also work (as you are low on RAM if that might matter, depending on what non-OS software you're going to run on that machine). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?
On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 16:50:32 -0700 (PDT), cikitaluzza wrote: can i run exe files on freeBSD? Depends. VMX EXE files may work via the SimH emulator. For DOS EXE and Windows EXE files, there are dosbox and wine. Those compatibility packs can be easily installed. They are not part of the OS. it spoils fast or not?this question comes from fastest ever spoil OS windows which always spoil in a week seven times i think with things like errors or dll and many things from blue screen.do you have any problems within freeBSD or no problems?i dont like blue screen error or driver things and no matter what . Definitely no bluescreens in FreeBSD. The system will behave exactly as intended and won't change its mind a few days after installation. :-) how much total ram and bit is my pc of amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM? That's a 64 bit CPU, if I remember correctly. The AMD64 version should run fine. But as you are a little bit low on RAM, you might consider using the i386 version (32 bit version) if you don't _need_ to run any 64 bit application. Especially as you've mentioned to run EXE files, this might be the better solution. From what I've heared, wine (the Windows compatibility pack) runs better on i386 than on amd64. (I'm running it myself on the i386 OS on a 64 bit system without any problems.) im always in internet watching live camers,what do you suggest me to use os type? Is this via web? In this case, only the web browser matters. The typical candidates Firefox and Chrome should be fine. The OS does not matter here. If you need a proprietary program to watch the live cameras, often available only for an outdated Windows version, running it with (the mentioned) wine should work. (I've successfully tried something like that with a program to watch CCTV cameras via Internet.) i like to save pictures and videos and never lost them,if you think your os is gonna spoil and lost my all files then i dont need it. Definitely no problem. But keep in mind: _You_ are responsible for creating backups! FreeBSD offers excellent tools to do so, no matter if you want to backup to disks, DVDs, the Cloud, or even to old-fashioned tape. Saving pictures from videos is no problem. There is mplayer and mencoder. It plays, records and converts _everything_. i want stable os and never to reinstall or update That approach is unreasonable, I think. You _should_ update when security updates become available. It's in _your_ interest to do so, because effciency, security and usability improves from version to version. Luckily, FreeBSD has an easy way of updating the OS. It's _independent_ (!) from your installed applications and of course from your data. You can also decide to update your programs independently. However, a install once, then keep using scenario is easily possible with FreeBSD. (My home system has been installed in summer 2011 and worked _flawlessly_ since that point, never touch a running system.) I suggest you make yourself familiar with FreeBSD by using the resources from http://www.freebsd.org/ and you _might_ also want to check out PC-BSD (might be perfect for what you want) and VirtualBSD (easy way to try it out without installing it). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?
On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 16:50 -0700, cikitaluzza wrote: can i run exe files on freeBSD? The raw answer is, no, you can't. it spoils fast or not?this question comes from fastest ever spoil OS windows which always spoil in a week seven times i think with things like errors or dll and many things from blue screen. This doesn't sound like a Windows only error. do you have any problems within freeBSD or no problems?i dont like blue screen error or driver things and no matter what . Regarding to driver issues you better stay with Microsoft or switch to Apple. Hardware and free/libre and open source software requires the user to learn and take care if hardware is supported. how much total ram and bit is my pc of amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM? Around 1 GiB could be ok, but also be not enough RAM, but it seems not to be an issue. im always in internet watching live camers,what do you suggest me to use os type?i like to save pictures and videos Free/libre and open source software does less good support proprietary codecs and software. At the moment there is a thread about Adobe Flash on this list. The best choice could be Windows, perhaps installed as guest to a virtual machine, so that you always can restore it by using snapshots. and never lost them,if you think your os is gonna spoil and lost my all files then i dont need it.i want stable os and never to reinstall or update For multimedia Linux might be better than FreeBSD. Neither Linux, nor FreeBSD tend to lose data, you even shouldn't lose data when using one of Microsoft's less good Windows versions. It's more likely that users have less good backup and archiving strategies. If you want to consume multimedia by the Internet, you likely need to install security updates and software to use stuff based on proprietary software. You could set up a text editor and never need to update or to reinstall something, but the Internet and consuming multimedia likely need updates from time to time. Start an adventure ;), nobody will give you a guarantee, self-responsibility is a catchword for free/libre and open source software. FreeBSD and Linux are similar operating systems, on both kernels more or less the same multimedia applications do run, but the more recent versions are provided by Linux and multimedia is better supported for Linux. I'm an Arch Linux user, it's similar to FreeBSD regarding to a port like system, however, for your needs IMO Debian Linux stable release might be the less risky choice. OTOH, why not simply testing FreeBSD? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Do I really have to install 80 packages?
On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 23:28:40 +0100, gct7photogra...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know what others think, but what *I* really want is that the free software versions of Flash (gnash and klash, etc) work at least as well as versions of Adobe Flash do, or if versions of Adobe Flash are to be used, that it will be free and covered by the GPL. First of all, keep in mind you're walking corporate territory here. No company will give you anything for free, and even if it looks free, there's a catch somewhere. Flash as a technology is dying. It didn't make the transition to the growing mobile markets. That's why Adobe does not continue its Linux line of product - a completely reasoname business decision. People who use, or to be correct, _abuse_ Flash as a replace- ment for markup and content are not interested in bringing their product to your attention and reception. What I'd like to see would be a Flash plugin integrated in the web browser, with the option of being switched off. I'd consider it a 1st class citizen by demanding that is has the same status as embedded media, centered text, a PNG image or a hyperlink, being a functional module of the web browser like the renderer, the CSS interpreter, the JS interpreter or something like that. Could you imagine to install a pro- prietary plugin to be able to see a JPG image? To see text centered? To click on a hyperlink? And all the time keep in mind that it is backdoored? Hmmm... Its unlikely to happen unless we start a campaign among the Free Software users of the world to make Flash free software. That won't happen. Flash is the property of a corporation. The only alternative I see is that this corporation would donate the product, releasing all the sources and abandoning all involved lawyer-crap. But that won't happen. I think most companies better close away the stuff they won't develop anymore instead of handing it over to a community. Yes, I know HTML 5 is just around the corner, but we've seen a concerted effort already (in the European Parliament at least) to introduce DRM into HTML 5 and though it may make using Flash marginally easier, it would be a retrograde step if DRM is to be introduced. As far as I know, DRM will be covered by the upcoming standard. This means it will be _possible_ to implement DRM solutions in HTML. _Using_ them - that's a totally different field. Keep in mind an important thing: Alternatives for Flash have been around for a decade at least. Video, audio, interaction - all possible without it. It's not just about the browser plugin (the player), it's also about the creative tools that people use to produce the stuff. Those tools are offered usually in expensive commercially distributed suites. As soon as developers and creators get aware of alternatives that they can learn and use for free, they _might_ change, but only if the mindset changes. It's not just about those tools, it's also about file formats. What I'm talking about is media codecs. Some of them offer DRM capabilites, others don't. Some of them are highly infected with patents and other lawyer-crap. There are reasons why some systems and environments can play various formats out of the box, and others can't. Which formats are efficient for use with the Internet? Which offer scaling and streaming capabilities, important for mobile users who demand lower quality, less data transfer, and tolerance to higher latency? Which codecs can make use of a decoder made in hardware? _This_ problem also has to be solved! Now put this back into relation with my initial idea of making that kind of content decoder part of the web browser. The same way you see a JPG image on a web page and click on a hyperlink... It should be easy, but sadly it isn't. HTML5 tries to solve those problems. Its markup will be better suited for handling media content, plus CSS and JS will be important players on the interaction field. There are already projects that utilize those tools, and _developer tools_ as well as _creator tools_ will be present. Maybe they will even be present for free. YouTube can do fine without Flash already. Online games in HTML5 are appearing. On the other hand, Flash is a no-go on mobile, and mobile is becoming more and more important to consumers. Additionally, more and more people become aware of the danger of proprietary software (in regards of privacy and corporate control, as well as an improving understanding of what DRM does to their freedom). It will take some time to show significant effect. Let's hope people are going to get smarter than I assume. :-) So what are we left with? Free software to replicate what Flash does (at least) that does not have the taint of proprietary software? Is that not an achievable goal? It is a _desired_ goal. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
Re: Do I really have to install 80 packages?
On Sun, 2013-10-13 at 04:48 +0200, Polytropon wrote: Let's hope people are going to get smarter than I assume. :-) It's new, not even 100 years old. Within our lifetimes people likely become more stupid, but yes, it will take some generations and people will get smarter. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Is it possible to suspend to disk with geli+Root on ZFS installation
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Ian Smith smi...@nimnet.asn.au wrote: In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 486, Issue 7, Message: 5 On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:25:33 +0200 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 05:37:55PM +1000, yudi v wrote: Hi all, Is it possible to suspend to disk (hibernate) when using geli for full disk encryption. As far as I can tell, FreeBSD doesn't support suspend to disk on all architectures. On amd64 the necessary infrastructure doesn't exist, and on i386 FPU state is lost, there is no multiprocessor support and some MSRs are not restored [1]. [1]: https://wiki.freebsd.org/SuspendResume Roland, sorry, no; you (and that page) are talking about Suspend to RAM, ACPI state S3. What you've said is correct re Suspend to RAM - though some running amd64 have achieved some success on some machines lately; most of the issues are with restoring modern video, backlight and such. Those i386 comments don't apply to my Thinkpad T23s, which suspend and resume, in console mode and X, flawlessly on 9.1-R and properly after various tweaks on 8.x, 7.x and 6.x - but they're a single core P3-M .. I must reiterate, FreeBSD does not support Suspend to Disk (state S4 aka 'hibernate') on ANY platform, except - perhaps - on machines supporting S4 in BIOS (hw.acpi.s4bios=1) which are very rarely spotted in the wild. And even suspend to RAM doesn't work on every machine [2]. [2]: https://wiki.freebsd.org/IdeasPage#Suspend_to_disk That page IS about Suspend to Disk - but only as a wishlist idea, as it has been for many years. Someone did take it on as a Google SoC project years ago, but nothing ever came of it to my knowledge. The last laptop I have that will properly hibernate - ie save RAM and all state to disk and power off, then reload all RAM and state on power return - is a 300MHz Compaq Armada 1500C (mfg '98), but using the older APM BIOS rather than ACPI. (It's still running, 24/7/365 since 2002 :) cheers, Ian Thanks Ian for clarifying that FreeBSD does not support Suspend to Disk. I just assumed all major distros supported all the suspend states. Now I am looking for a UPS that cleanly shuts down the machine when there is a power outage. I am looking at a APC Power-Saving Back-UPS ES 8 Outlet 700VA 230V AS 3112http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BE700G-AZtotal_watts=200tab=features, anyone know if apcupsd daemon works fine under FreeBSD or should I be looking at Network UPS Tools (NUT). -- Kind regards, Yudi ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?
Typo warning! On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:26:45 +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 16:50:32 -0700 (PDT), cikitaluzza wrote: can i run exe files on freeBSD? Depends. VMX EXE files may work via the SimH emulator. For ^^^ DOS EXE and Windows EXE files, there are dosbox and wine. Those compatibility packs can be easily installed. They are not part of the OS. Of course I meant _VMS_ executables. ^ Also I don't know if there would be a way to run OS/2 EXE files. This is probably only possible with a VM running the appropriate OS/2 version. This approach might also apply for running Novell NetWare EXE files. There are several VM systems available for FreeBSD, for example VMWare and VirtualBox. I hope I have covered all typical possibilities of what exe file could mean. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?
On 2013-10-13 01:50, cikitaluzza wrote: can i run exe files on freeBSD? Yes, but the files are not called exe files. it spoils fast or not? Google translate? do you have any problems within freeBSD Yes. how much total ram and bit is my pc of amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM? Download amd64 i want stable os and never to reinstall or update You should consider pen and paper then. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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