Booting GELI from CD...
I think I am close to getting GELI to boot from CD. Here's what I've done. #Followed instructions per these threads [1]. This #included creating a file backed memory disk to allow #GELI to mount the root filesystem with a keyfile on the #CD. #You'll see from my previous post, and that of others, #that many were having trouble booting from USB sticks #even from modern BIOSes[2]. No one has been able to #identify the problem to date. In the meantime booting #from CD is supposed to be a far more reliable. #I followed the instructions for mkisofs from [1]b, and #burned to cd-r like this: burncd -f /dev/acd0 data grubboot.iso /iso #This works great! until the dreaded loader takes over. #you'll recall loader hanging and not being able to #read the kernel from the USB pendrive was a previous #issue. Here is the current output from loader while #booting the CD: BTXloader 1.00 BTX version is 1.01 Consoles: internal video/keyboard BIOS drive C: is disk0 BIOS 631kB/980480kB available memory FreeBSD/i386 bootstrap loader, Revision 1.1 ([EMAIL PROTECTED], Sun May 9 02:19:03 UTC 2006) Can't work out which disk we are booting from. Guessed BIOS device 0x9f not found by probes, defaulting to disk0: can't load 'kernel' Type '?' for a list of commands, 'help' for more detailed help. OK # if I 'lsdev' I get the following output. cd devices: disk devices: disk0: BIOS drive C: disk0s1a:FFS disk0s1b:swap disk0s1d:FFS disk0s1e:FFS disk0s1f:FFS disk0s2: FFS bad disklabel #disk 0 is an unencrypted FBSD6.1 install. Disk0s2 is #the GELI install. I assume there is a problem reading #the cd device because there is no output? This was #the same problem when booting from usb; whichever disk #was the usb would have no output in the same way. #I want to mention that if I boot from the FBSD install #disk and and escape to the loader prompt and lsdev, I #get: cd devices: Device 0x1 #Also while booting the BTX screen says: BIOS CD is cd0 #You might comment on why I'm using grub instead of #cdboot? the main reason is I want to take advantage of #menu.lst to choose between OSes when booting from the #CD. I'll also try all of this with /boot/cdboot to #see if I can just get it to work. In the mean time, #ideas? -Fred [1]a. events.ccc.de/congress/2005/fahrplan/attachments/586-paper_Complete_Hard_Disk_Encryption.pdf b. http://www.bsdforums.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43796 c. http://www.proportion.ch/index.php?page=31 [2] a. http://docs.FreeBSD.org/cgi/mid.cgi?208229.54978.qm b. http://docs.FreeBSD.org/cgi/mid.cgi?45F91CF0.6010506 Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Loader can't read USB drive @ boot
--- Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 09:16:35AM -0700, Fred Davidson wrote: Well I was having this problem with GRUB which someone helped me with. Now Grub will boot my USB key and load loader. The problem? loader hangs, and eventually says it can't find the kernel. when I lsdev it always gives the right description of my hard disk partitions on the hard drive, but prints nothing for the USB disk. So... When the FreeBSD loader can't find the kernel, it often means that it is looking in the wrong place. Is your Grub MBR pointing it to the right place? What is actually on that stick? Is there aDDsNa partition for it to boot from? DD being device and N being a slice number, 1..4. jerry Thanks for the reply Jerry, sorry my last post wasn't very descriptive, but my prior post was overly descriptive and didn't get much of a response, however it did describe the issue well: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=2379736+2387238+/usr/local/www/db/text/2007/freebsd-questions/20070603.freebsd-questions Andrey pointed out in a later post that I was making the mistake of creating UFS2 filesystems in slices and not partitions (e.g. s1 vs. s1a). Once I corrected that I had no problem using grub 0.97 to boot into my ufs2 partitions. So I reboot... Grub boots right into the partition on the USB stick (say da0s1a). After choosing the menu selection the system appears to load loader, and then hangs. I posted a very detailed description of this, but got your response before the posting occurred. I still can't find the posting online, but it's message 22 in: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 181, Issue 6 Basically loader seems to begin, and ends right before the line that reads: loading /boot/defaults/loader Then it hangs, and if I wait a while I'll get can't load kernel. if I lsdev I won't get any indication that there is a filesystem present where the USB device is. This is true whether I boot from the USB device or the hard disk. Basically I'm just trying to get GELI to work from some kind of removable medium. Right now I'm kind of blaming this on a cheap (but new) laptop with a BIOS that doesn't let me choose CHS or LBA, or make any such selections. I thought I would try and see if changing what the BIOS thinks in fdisk would do anything, but I have no idea how to find the chs info for my USB stick (no included with stick, and manufacturer gives no info). Does anyone have an inkling what's going on here? Also I just wanted to mention that when booting the freebsd cd if I escape to the loader prompt and lsdev I get cd0: Device 0x1 I would guess this would mean that freebsd would be able to load the kernel off of the cd device? If anyone believes this could be viable I'll happily start another thread to try this, thankyou. -Fred Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GRUB / boot easy problems w / USB stick
Some thoughts: 1. bsdlabel -Brw /dev/da0s1 - What is the option r? - bsdlabel is supposed to create standard label which probably means creating da0s1a partition (can you call bsdlabel /dev/da0s1 to see what was created?) So your next command should be newfs /dev/da0s1a rather than newfs /dev/da0s1. And commands after that will need to be adjusted as well. 2. boot0cfg -B -s 1 -t -v 182 /dev/da0 It should be -v -t 182 rather than -t -v 182. Not sure if it matters though. Hope this helps. Andrey Thanks Andrey, great news! placing newfs on /dev/da0s1a instead of /dev/da0s1 really helped. Now GRUB recognizes the filesystem on my usb partition. Here's what's new. #I placed 1 UFS2 partition on my USB key at #/dev/da0s1a. mount /dev/da0s1a /usb mkdir -p /usb/boot/grub #copied all files from /boot to /usb/boot and all files #from /boot/grub to /usb/boot/grub (I know I can make #it smaller but just copying all for now). Next I #invoked the grub shell and did the following: grub root (hd1,0,a) Filesystem type is ufs2, partition type is 0xa5. grub setup (hd1) Checking if /boot/grub/stage1 exists... yes Checking if /boot/grub/stage2 exists... yes Checking if /boot/grub/ufs2_stage1_5 exists... yes Running embed /boot/grub/ufs2_stage1_5 (hd1)... 16 sectors are embedded. Succeeded Running install /boot/grub/stage1 (hd1) (hd1)1+16 p (hd1,0,a)/boot/grub/stage2 /boot/grub/menu.lst... Succeeded Done. #I reboot, and am excited to see the grub menu I've set #up. Here is my menu.lst: default=0 timeout=30 title NewOS root (hd0,0,a) kernel /boot/loader #You might notice I made root hd0. This is actually #helpful for anyone setting GRUB up for the first time. #You see when setting up grub from the shell within #your computer, your first hard drive is always hd0, #and your usb stick can be anything after that (in my #case hd1). You can test this by placing an oddly #named text file in each of your grub directories (1 in #hard drive, 1 in usb stick), then using find from the #grub shell to indicate where that oddly named file is #located: grub find /boot/grub/weirdfile (hd0,0,a) #The main point is that when you reboot to your USB #key, because it's now the first drive, it's probably #going to be hd0, instead of hdx, thus my menu.lst. # Anyway, back to the menu selection. When I choose the 'NewOS', this is what I get: Booting 'NewOS' root (hd0,0,a) Filesystem type is ufs2, partition type is 0xa5 kernel /boot/loader [FreeBSD-a.out, loadaddr=0x20, text=0x1000, data=0x32000, bss=0x0, entry=0x20] BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.01 Consoles: internal video/keyboard BIOS drive C: is disk0 BIOS drive D: is disk1 BIOS 631kB/980480kB available memory FreeBSD/i386 bootstrap loader, Revision 1.1 (root @barney.msu.edu, Sun May 8 03:20:03 UTC 2006) #This is the last line, and if I wait about five #minutes it prints these additional lines: can't load 'kernel' Type '?' for a list of commands, 'help' for more detailed help. OK _ #Again I'm pretty sure I must have the right 'hd' #addressing. I tested this by changing the root #location to (hd1,0,a) which found the boot loader off #of my hard drive and booted. I tested this by moving #the loader from my hard drive out of /boot, and #rebooting, where upon it couldn't find loader anymore. Alright I'll leave it there. (Starving for that little morsel of knowledge out there that will unlock this!) -Fred (p.s. I'm new to the mailing lists, and can't find the charter for any of the groups, anyone have a link? :) Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GRUB / boot easy problems w / USB stick
It seems like this thread isn't getting updated when I post for some reason. This will be the last one I try until I figure out what's wrong. #I've done some more tests. In my last post I had booted # from the usb key. the results of lsdev from the boot #loader prompt were: OK lsdev cd devices: disk devices: disk0: BIOS drive C: disk1: BIOS drive D: disk1s1a: FFS disk1s1b: swap disk1s1d: FFS # If I booted from the hard drive first I got: cd devices: disk devices: disk0: BIOS Drive C: disk0s1a: FFS disk0s1b: swap disk1s1d: FFS disk1L BIOS Drive D: #So it's clear that which ever drive is booted from #first between the hard drive and the usb key drive is #going to show up as disk0: BIOS Drive C, but I was #wondering why the disk slices/partition letters for #the USB key don't #show up when I boot from it. Or #even when I boot from the HD and use the loader #prompt? # Again just to quickly restate the problem, when # booting from the USB key, the BTX loader hangs, and # after about 5 minutes I get the loader prompt. The # loader apparently can't find the kernel. When #booting normally I have double checked that the #bsdlabels, filesystems, and required files are at #least present on the key. # I'll keep learning the intimate details of various #config files, and loader commands, and post back if I #find a solution. Thanks again for any bits of know #how you send my way. -Fred Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Loader can't read USB drive @ boot
Well I was having this problem with GRUB which someone helped me with. Now Grub will boot my USB key and load loader. The problem? loader hangs, and eventually says it can't find the kernel. when I lsdev it always gives the right description of my hard disk partitions on the hard drive, but prints nothing for the USB disk. So... Is this a problem of FreeBSD not being able to read from the USB stick this early? Is this a problem of the BIOS being fishy with FreeBSD and refusing to give up the details of the USB stick? Is this (like a read in another post) just a problem of the specific USB stick I'm using, and that there's something different about different sticks? Do these little sticks really have firmware? You ponder that, I'm gonna go drop some cash on a new USB stick, hope that's it. -Fred Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GRUB / boot easy problems w / USB stick
--- Andrey Shuvikov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you copy it recursively (with sub-directories)? If yes then you didn't need to copy /boot/grub separately. If no, you'll probably need to copy at least /boot/defaults . And /boot/kernel as well if you really want to boot... Andrey # In /boot I did cp -Rpv * /usb/boot #I'm not sure why it can get as far as the BTX loader #info, but can't manage to load the kernel. It clearly #can read the ufs2 now. I don't really know much about #the specifics of the startup process, but I thought #as soon as the loader was invoked, the first thing it #tries to do is load the kernel into memory. I just #double checked and the kernel is located on the stick #at USB/boot/kernel/kernel. This must have happened to #someone else before. -Fred p.s. just a shot in the dark, but does anyone think grub might not be able to load the kernel because it runs out of some kind of internal allotment of memory? Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GRUB / boot easy problems w / USB stick
Some thoughts: 1. bsdlabel -Brw /dev/da0s1 - What is the option r? - bsdlabel is supposed to create standard label which probably means creating da0s1a partition (can you call bsdlabel /dev/da0s1 to see what was created?) So your next command should be newfs /dev/da0s1a rather than newfs /dev/da0s1. And commands after that will need to be adjusted as well. 2. boot0cfg -B -s 1 -t -v 182 /dev/da0 It should be -v -t 182 rather than -t -v 182. Not sure if it matters though. Hope this helps. Andrey Thanks Andrey, great news! placing newfs on /dev/da0s1a instead of /dev/da0s1 really helped. Now GRUB recognizes the filesystem on my usb partition. Here's what's new. #I placed 1 UFS2 partition on my USB key at #/dev/da0s1a. mount /dev/da0s1a /usb mkdir -p /usb/boot/grub #copied all files from /boot to /usb/boot and all files #from /boot/grub to /usb/boot/grub (I know I can make #it smaller but just copying all for now). Next I #invoked the grub shell and did the following: grub root (hd1,0,a) Filesystem type is ufs2, partition type is 0xa5. grub setup (hd1) Checking if /boot/grub/stage1 exists... yes Checking if /boot/grub/stage2 exists... yes Checking if /boot/grub/ufs2_stage1_5 exists... yes Running embed /boot/grub/ufs2_stage1_5 (hd1)... 16 sectors are embedded. Succeeded Running install /boot/grub/stage1 (hd1) (hd1)1+16 p (hd1,0,a)/boot/grub/stage2 /boot/grub/menu.lst... Succeeded Done. #I reboot, and am excited to see the grub menu I've set #up. Here is my menu.lst: default=0 timeout=30 title NewOS root (hd0,0,a) kernel /boot/loader #You might notice I made root hd0. This is actually #helpful for anyone setting GRUB up for the first time. #You see when setting up grub from the shell within #your computer, your first hard drive is always hd0, #and your usb stick can be anything after that (in my #case hd1). You can test this by placing an oddly #named text file in each of your grub directories (1 in #hard drive, 1 in usb stick), then using find from the #grub shell to indicate where that oddly named file is #located: grub find /boot/grub/weirdfile (hd0,0,a) #The main point is that when you reboot to your USB #key, because it's now the first drive, it's probably #going to be hd0, instead of hdx, thus my menu.lst. # Anyway, back to the menu selection. When I choose the 'NewOS', this is what I get: Booting 'NewOS' root (hd0,0,a) Filesystem type is ufs2, partition type is 0xa5 kernel /boot/loader [FreeBSD-a.out, loadaddr=0x20, text=0x1000, data=0x32000, bss=0x0, entry=0x20] BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.01 Consoles: internal video/keyboard BIOS drive C: is disk0 BIOS drive D: is disk1 BIOS 631kB/980480kB available memory FreeBSD/i386 bootstrap loader, Revision 1.1 (root @barney.msu.edu, Sun May 8 03:20:03 UTC 2006) #This is the last line, and if I wait about five #minutes it prints these additional lines: can't load 'kernel' Type '?' for a list of commands, 'help' for more detailed help. OK _ #Again I'm pretty sure I must have the right 'hd' #addressing. I tested this by changing the root #location to (hd1,0,a) which found the boot loader off #of my hard drive and booted. I tested this by moving #the loader from my hard drive out of /boot, and #rebooting, where upon it couldn't find loader anymore. Alright I'll leave it there. (Starving for that little morsel of knowledge out there that will unlock this!) -Fred (p.s. I'm new to the mailing lists, and can't find the charter for any of the groups, anyone have a link? :) Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GRUB / boot easy problems w / USB stick
I am looking for some help to enable booting from a USB stick. After weeks of reading, and attempting I am at a total loss. This all began while I was trying to follow the many excellent tutorials on encrypting whole laptop disks with GELI[1]. These tutorials were great except they didn't really cover how to make the sticks bootable. Here is some of the many things I have tried. Background: My laptop BIOS allows me to pick the boot order from 7 devices, I set them as follows: (1) USB Key (2) USB HDD (3) USB CDROM (4) USB FDC (5) IDE CD (6) IDE HDD (7) PCI BEV Attempt 1: FreeBSD Boot Manager # created a dedicated slice on my 512MB stick with a #UFS2 filesystem. (after fdisk) bsdlabel -Brw /dev/da0s1 newfs /dev/da0s1 # Copied over boot files to usb filesystem. mount /dev/da0s1 /usb mkdir /usb/boot cd /boot cp -Rpv * /usb/boot # Placed FreeBSD boot manager on MBR of USB stick. boot0cfg -B -s 1 -t -v 182 /dev/da0 Problem: When I reboot the laptop keyboard won't allow me to select a partition with the F keys. Attempt 2: GRUB # make install grub from the ports collection. copy #over the files from #/usr/local/share/grub/i386-freebsd/* to /boot/grub. #My understanding was that Grub can read write UFS2 #because of patches since version 0.94. So on my first #attempt I made a single UFS2 partition. mount /dev/da0s1 /usb mkdir -p /usb/boot/grub cd /boot cp -Rpv * /usb/boot cd /boot/grub cp -Rpv * /usb/boot/grub #I invoke the grub shell. There are two devices in my #device map: (hd0) /dev/ad0 (hd1) /dev/da0 # Now if I try to set root in the following ways I'll #get the following: grub root (hd0,0,a) Filesystem type is ufs2, partition type 0xa5 grub root (hd1,0) Filesystem type is unknown, partition type 0xa5 # now before you say it, I also tried (hd1,0,a) but #this is even worse in some situations. Basically I #can't get grub to read or write to the USB stick with #a UFS2 filesystem. Yet it will read write to the #UFS2 filesystem of the native disk. Does anyone know #why? I have tried grub-install which apparently is #successful, but once I attempt to reboot, it hangs #with the word, GRUB printed. Attempt 3: Chainloading GRUB #This time I though I had it. I created S1 FAT #partition and S2 UFS2 partition on the stick. I # was able to use setup from the grub shell to setup #the FAT slice as the location for stage2. On the #ufs2 partition I set up the proper /boot setup above. #I read on an old post and someone mentioned that #boot2 does something stupid, and won't work with a #chainload scenario. I tried it anyways, and it didn't #work. I had heard that it might work if you bounce #boot0 to the beginning of the slice instead of the #disk MBR so I did. boot0cfg -B -s 2 -t 182 -v /dev/da0s2 #seemed to go well. I rebooted, and got as far as #the F key menu, but again nothing worked, and I #couldn't boot. Just to add, I also tried the whole booting FreeBSD from a FAT partition but that just plain doesn't work [2]. Well that's where I am. I can't tell you how much you will rock my world if you can show me how to fix this. These are some ideas I have, but don't know enough to do anything about: (1) BIOS issues; from what I understand each computer manufacturer takes a base bios (phoenix in my case) and proprietories it up. I'm dreading that maybe my BIOS will prevent any of this from working. Doesn't seem to be documentation anywhere on my manufac's site. (2) Bootblocks; Maybe there's some easy modifications or config files for boot blocks I don't know about? Maybe there are some alternatives? (3) GRUB patches; I've been downloading ports from another PC (no network yet)burning to CD, then making. done it twice now. Is there some wonderful patch to GRUB that makes it work with FreeBSD I don't know about? Do any of you have it working? if so , can I copy how you built exactly? Alright, that's all. I'm sorry for the length of this post, it's my first one, and I have seriously dredged pretty hard on my own for a solution. Thanks again. Fred [1] http://www.proportion.ch/index.php?page=31 http://www.daimi.au.dk/~u063592/ http://www.bsdforums.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=43796 [2] http://docs.FreeBSD.org/cgi/mid.cgi?2002003159.A46044 Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GRUB / boot easy problems w / USB stick
I am looking for some help to enable booting from a USB stick. After weeks of reading, and attempting I am at a total loss. This all began while I was trying to follow the many excellent tutorials on encrypting whole laptop disks with GELI[1]. These tutorials were great except they didn't really cover how to make the sticks bootable. Here is some of the many things I have tried. Background: My laptop BIOS allows me to pick the boot order from 7 devices, I set them as follows: (1) USB Key (2) USB HDD (3) USB CDROM (4) USB FDC (5) IDE CD (6) IDE HDD (7) PCI BEV Attempt 1: FreeBSD Boot Manager # created a dedicated slice on my 512MB stick with a #UFS2 filesystem. (after fdisk) bsdlabel -Brw /dev/da0s1 newfs /dev/da0s1 # Copied over boot files to usb filesystem. mount /dev/da0s1 /usb mkdir /usb/boot cd /boot cp -Rpv * /usb/boot # Placed FreeBSD boot manager on MBR of USB stick. boot0cfg -B -s 1 -t -v 182 /dev/da0 Problem: When I reboot the laptop keyboard won't allow me to select a partition with the F keys. Attempt 2: GRUB # make install grub from the ports collection. copy #over the files from #/usr/local/share/grub/i386-freebsd/* to /boot/grub. #My understanding was that Grub can read write UFS2 #because of patches since version 0.94. So on my first #attempt I made a single UFS2 partition. mount /dev/da0s1 /usb mkdir -p /usb/boot/grub cd /boot cp -Rpv * /usb/boot cd /boot/grub cp -Rpv * /usb/boot/grub #I invoke the grub shell. There are two devices in my #device map: (hd0) /dev/ad0 (hd1) /dev/da0 # Now if I try to set root in the following ways I'll #get the following: grub root (hd0,0,a) Filesystem type is ufs2, partition type 0xa5 grub root (hd1,0) Filesystem type is unknown, partition type 0xa5 # now before you say it, I also tried (hd1,0,a) but #this is even worse in some situations. Basically I #can't get grub to read or write to the USB stick with #a UFS2 filesystem. Yet it will read write to the #UFS2 filesystem of the native disk. Does anyone know #why? I have tried grub-install which apparently is #successful, but once I attempt to reboot, it hangs #with the word, GRUB printed. Attempt 3: Chainloading GRUB #This time I though I had it. I created S1 FAT #partition and S2 UFS2 partition on the stick. I # was able to use setup from the grub shell to setup #the FAT slice as the location for stage2. On the #ufs2 partition I set up the proper /boot setup above. #I read on an old post and someone mentioned that #boot2 does something stupid, and won't work with a #chainload scenario. I tried it anyways, and it didn't #work. I had heard that it might work if you bounce #boot0 to the beginning of the slice instead of the #disk MBR so I did. boot0cfg -B -s 2 -t 182 -v /dev/da0s2 #seemed to go well. I rebooted, and got as far as #the F key menu, but again nothing worked, and I #couldn't boot. Just to add, I also tried the whole booting FreeBSD from a FAT partition but that just plain doesn't work [2]. Well that's where I am. I can't tell you how much you will rock my world if you can show me how to fix this. These are some ideas I have, but don't know enough to do anything about: (1) BIOS issues; from what I understand each computer manufacturer takes a base bios (phoenix in my case) and proprietories it up. I'm dreading that maybe my BIOS will prevent any of this from working. Doesn't seem to be documentation anywhere on my manufac's site. (2) Bootblocks; Maybe there's some easy modifications or config files for boot blocks I don't know about? Maybe there are some alternatives? (3) GRUB patches; I've been downloading ports from another PC (no network yet)burning to CD, then making. done it twice now. Is there some wonderful patch to GRUB that makes it work with FreeBSD I don't know about? Do any of you have it working? if so , can I copy how you built exactly? Alright, that's all. I'm sorry for the length of this post, it's my first one, and I have seriously dredged pretty hard on my own for a solution. Thanks again. Fred [1] http://www.proportion.ch/index.php?page=31 http://www.daimi.au.dk/~u063592/ http://www.bsdforums.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=43796 [2] http://docs.FreeBSD.org/cgi/mid.cgi?2002003159.A46044 Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]