Re: dump/restore, how to reduce slice size
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 03:41:26PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote: On 9/29/11 10:09 PM, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:36:38PM +0300, ??? ??? wrote: Hi, Freebsd-questions. # df -h Filesystem SizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad4s1a 2G206M1.6G11%/ devfs 1.0k1.0k 0B 100%/dev /dev/ad4s1e3.9G 13M3.6G 0%/tmp /dev/ad4s1f 40G 25G 12G67%/usr /dev/ad4s1d 31G3.6G 24G13%/var procfs 4.0k4.0k 0B 100%/proc /dev/ad2s1f 39G 25G 10G71%/mnt devfs 1.0k1.0k 0B 100%/var/named/dev as you can see /dev/ad4s1f is 40G and /dev/ad2s1f is 39G but on ad4s1f only 25G used. How can I dump /dev/ad4s1f and restore it on /dev/ad2s1f? These commands: #mount /dev/ad2s1f /mnt #cd /mnt #dump -0Lf - /usr | restore -rf - does not help, because of ad2s1f does not have space to restore 'end of ' /dev/ad4s1f. May help any? Well, you are going to have difficulty putting 50 GB on a 39 GB partition. (25GB + 25GB = 50GB). It won't work. You could try compressing the dump, but dump files do not tend to compress well and even if you got a 50% compression, you would still be really close to overfill. Probably you need to go to the store and get a nice big USB drive and slice and partition it in to a bunch of 50 GB partitions and pipe your dump to a restore in those partitions on that drive. You can round-robin your backups to those USB partitions. My backup to a USB hard drive just saved me the beginning of this week when the old machine died of heat prostration. Dump is supposed to take only the used space. Yes. He already has 25 GB used on the partition and wants to add another approx 25 GB in a 39 GB partition. There ain't room. jerry @OP, refer the following link for correct dump/restore syntax: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/backup.html#_tt_dump_tt_with_compression ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: dump/restore, how to reduce slice size
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:36:38PM +0300, ??? ??? wrote: Hi, Freebsd-questions. # df -h Filesystem SizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad4s1a 2G206M1.6G11%/ devfs 1.0k1.0k 0B 100%/dev /dev/ad4s1e3.9G 13M3.6G 0%/tmp /dev/ad4s1f 40G 25G 12G67%/usr /dev/ad4s1d 31G3.6G 24G13%/var procfs 4.0k4.0k 0B 100%/proc /dev/ad2s1f 39G 25G 10G71%/mnt devfs 1.0k1.0k 0B 100%/var/named/dev as you can see /dev/ad4s1f is 40G and /dev/ad2s1f is 39G but on ad4s1f only 25G used. How can I dump /dev/ad4s1f and restore it on /dev/ad2s1f? These commands: #mount /dev/ad2s1f /mnt #cd /mnt #dump -0Lf - /usr | restore -rf - does not help, because of ad2s1f does not have space to restore 'end of ' /dev/ad4s1f. May help any? Well, you are going to have difficulty putting 50 GB on a 39 GB partition. (25GB + 25GB = 50GB). It won't work. You could try compressing the dump, but dump files do not tend to compress well and even if you got a 50% compression, you would still be really close to overfill. Probably you need to go to the store and get a nice big USB drive and slice and partition it in to a bunch of 50 GB partitions and pipe your dump to a restore in those partitions on that drive. You can round-robin your backups to those USB partitions. My backup to a USB hard drive just saved me the beginning of this week when the old machine died of heat prostration. jerry jerry -- Konkov mailto:kes-...@yandex.ru ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Volume control in mplayer resetting 50% when starting / stopping video clips
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 23:58:29 +0200
Polytropon articulated:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:27:49 +, Alexander Best wrote:
On Thu Sep 29 11, Polytropon wrote:
This is ANNOYING.
Does anyone know a solution for this?
try 'sysctl hw.snd.vpc_autoreset=0'.
Many thanks! This restored the default behaviour!
I have it set in /etc/sysctl.conf now.
And: No, I _won't_ ask why this kind of stuff is required
to restore default behaviour and established functionalities
after minor upgrades, because it would certainly make me
a grumpy old man. :-)
I am still trying to figure out why I need to modify it and add:
hw.snd.default_unit=4 just to get sound to work on a card that works
perfectly under Windows sans modification. I have actually graduated
to the point where I develop ajada
{http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ajada} when I
contemplate modifying the hardware on my systems. I have evolved to a
point way past grumpy.
--
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Error during boot-up
From time to time when booting up or rebooting on of my FreeBSD-8.2 amd 64 machines, the following error message is displayed ad infinitum: nfe0: discard frame w/o leading ethernet header (len 0 pkt len 0) All I can do is repeatedly hit CTRL+C until the log-on screen appears. Then log-in as root and reboot. Sometimes this works and sometimes it doesn't. The same phenomena may happen repeatedly 10 times or more or suddenly just disappear. I have tried using ifconfig to bring the network up when this happens but it fails. Only a reboot seems to make any difference. I am at a loss to figure out how to correct this problem or even what is causing it. It just suddenly started approximately three months ago. I have changed routers so I think I can safely eliminate that as the source of the problem. None of my Windows machines have ever complained about this so I am wondering if it isn't local to FreeBSD. I think the problem first manifested itself after updating to the 8.2 version since I do not remember it happening prior to that. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: rsync over nfs or rsync protocol
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 09:10:22AM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote: On 09/23/11 14:11, Jerry McAllister wrote: Why would you interject NFS in the middle of it? jerry There would be no middle. I would run rsyncd or nfsd, but not both. Ah, I get it. In that case, I think rsync is probably more useful than NFS because it can check and only copy modified files. Alternatively, if you are doing backups to recover from system failures - such as a disk crash, you would probably prefer dump(8)/restore(8) They can write to a file on the other machine, can do change dumps and they preserve all the needed UNIX attributes. I actually do a dump piped to a restore on another disk as a convenient backup to handle my all too frequent cases of fumble fingers and sleep deprived bad thinking where I need to quickly get back a file I mangled, deleted or need to start over on. Restore can easily pull single files or directory trees from a dump file as well. But having it already pre-restored makes it easier -- and only doubles my disk use - disk is cheap isn't it. jerry Jason ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: rsync over nfs or rsync protocol
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 02:04:03PM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote: I am looking into finally setting up a backup solution that's a little more sophisticated than a bunch of DVD-RWs. I have two servers. I'd like to make each a backup server for the other. I'm considering using rsync. Is rsync a good choice for a backup tool? rsync can be used effectively. The optimum solution really depends on how much total disk and how much changes between each run. Should I use the rsyncd or should I use NFS? I'm using 100 mbps ethernet. What's the better solution I haven't considered? Why would you interject NFS in the middle of it? jerry Thanks, Jason ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: much to my surprise....
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 03:14:50PM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote: From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Thu Sep 22 14:30:49 2011 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 12:30:54 -0700 From: Gary Kline kl...@thought.org To: FreeBSD Mailing List freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: much to my surprise guys, well, after a forced, unexpected, and emergency 5 days away, i got back to my desk and could not ping. while mail seemed to be working, and my *local* ping worked---I could ping around from my freebsd server to my other computers--i spent 3+ hours trying to ping various sites. Zero. i tried everything i could think of. NOTHING worked. i tried the -d -f -f to named and on and on and on. nothing. *Finally*, i saw that my telco router was displaying INT in red LED's. i didn't know they displayed in any other color but the default green, but after power-cycling, voila! back to green. and now, yes, i can ping freebsd.org. and i'm pretty sure other network things will work too. from any/all sysadmin types or others:: i would like tricks, tips, insights--whatever--about named and whatever else. i thought i had collected many. nope.i've got bind 9.8 installed and it was working fine until my recent 'vacation.' Other than checking one's routers (hub/switch), and other hardware (including server, computers, cables, etc) does anybody have a checklist of what to do to diagnose this? are there any other utilities i can try besides ping and named -d 3 -f -g? other network utilities with a debug flag? i'm running 7.3 on a dell 530. tia for any insights, You should _really_ consider hiring a professional to maintain your systems. Diagnosing _this_ problem should have taken no more than about 30 *seconds*. If you can't get somewhere 'by name', you try to get there 'by address'. If 'by address' works and 'by name' doesn't, *that* is the indication of a DNS problem. If you can't get there 'by address', it is *NOT* a DNS problem, and you start looking for a 'connectivity' problem. The *BASIC* tools for that start with 'traceroute'. Which would have *immediately* (well, within abut ten seconds :) indicated exactly _where_ the problem was. Those who don't understand these kind dof things are too dangerous to be trusted with the superuser password. Bluntly, not only do you not know the things you need to know to manage a (even 'personal') network, you DON'T KNOW _what_ you don't know, and until you *do* learn the basics, you'll save youself a *LOT* of hair- tearing if you hire someone to solve the problems for you. While your information may be correct and useful, your self-righteous arrogant diatribe is not helpful or appropriate on this list. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Please secure your FTP access
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:03:40 -0700 Devin Teske articulated: Between Top/Bottom and in-line posting, this thread is getting harder to read by the minute. I am not at my Windows machine at the moment; however, I know from past experience that I CAN enter text, plain or HTML, after the last entry in a message. It always did work in-line; however since I don't use Outlook for replying to forum mail I cannot swear that it doesn't cause a problem with in-line posting. That then brings up the next question, why is the OP or any of the subsequent posters using HTML to begin with? It certainly does not belong in forum posts. Furthermore, Outlook will send in plain ASCII text if configured to do so. It can also be configured to reply after the text rather than before if configured to do so. Most users don't bother to configure it correctly and then blame the product for their own inadequacies. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Brother MFC-8890DW printer
I have an opportunity to pick up a Brother MFC-8890DW printer at a fantastic price. There is a Linux driver for CUPS available at: http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/instruction_prn1c.html This is obviously not a high end unit; however, I feel I could probably get fair results out of it. It is not a color printer so it will only be used for normal b/w documents. I plan to hook it up to my router using a wireless setup on my home network. I am not worried about my Windows machines since it will obviously work; however, I want to know it this printer works as designed with FreeBSD. I doubt that the FAX function would be used at all via FreeBSD, if it is used at all. I have a dedicated FAX. However, the copy and scan functions would be important. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Brother MFC-8890DW printer
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 15:35:35 -0400 Alejandro Imass articulated: On the other hand, Brother seems to be quite Linux friendly: http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/index.html I have visited that link previously. There are several examples of how to install the various linux drivers for several operating systems. Sadly, though not surprisingly, FreeBSD is not an included OS. If I actually do purchase the device, I think I will be able to get it working with the info provided. Then again, on rare occasions, I have been known to be wrong. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Life sucks, but death doesn't put out at all. Thomas J. Kopp ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Printing from Firefox broken after update.
On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 08:53:42 +0200 Polytropon articulated: Do you get better results when printing to a file (PS) and then sending it directly to the printer (via lpr)? Maybe this problem is comparable to my Opera printing problem (where I could identify Opera being the source of invalid PS data). Wow, what a waste of time that is. I just use MS Windows when I have to print and avoid all that rigmarole. Firefox use to work correctly; however, it no longer does. At first I thought it was a localized phenomena; however, after checking on several different forums I have concluded that it is far more wide spread than I had originally thought. There have been reports filed against this behavior. If and when they are acted upon is anyone's guess. In the mean time, I just use what is convenient and works reliably without adding an undo burden upon myself. Continual use of broken software effectively makes the end user and enabler; something I have no desire to invest my time in. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Printing from Firefox broken after update.
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 11:47:59 +0200 Leslie Jensen articulated: 2011-09-09 22:29, Polytropon skrev: On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 20:56:18 +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote: 2011-09-09 18:17, Rares Aioanei skrev: On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 17:47:16 +0200 Leslie Jensenles...@eskk.nu wrote: /usr/local/libexec/cups/filter/pdftops failed Does the file exist? Yes! -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 20112 9 Sep 09:12 /usr/local/libexec/cups/filter/pdftops Try to run it manually. Take a PDF file and convert it into PS. Add options you might need for paper size. Example: % /usr/local/libexec/cups/filter/pdftops -paper A4 test.pdf and check the PS output. See man pdftops for details. Maybe it's a dependency problem of pdftops... Note that the normal pdftops binary is provided by the xpdf port. Maybe you can try to update this one too? I'm not sure if CUPS's own binary is in some relation to that port, or is it working independently? First I did portmaster -t -f graphics/xpdf Then rehash Tried the following both as root and as myself I had to add a user and number of copies to the command. /usr/local/libexec/cups/filter/pdftops les 1 -paper A4 test.pdf which results in the following DEBUG: pdftops - copying to temp print file /tmp/034c34e6e4d2f and it never exits. I have to stop with ctrl-c the file is empty. ll /tmp/034c34e6e4d2f -rw--- 1 les wheel 0 10 Sep 08:01 /tmp/034c34e6e4d2f And my test file is ll test.pdf -rw-r--r-- 1 les les 30263 10 Sep 07:58 test.pdf So what do you suggest I do now? I am not sure exactly what your problem is; however, after the Firefox update, printing now takes forever. I use to be able to click on print and have a document print virtually immediately. Now, I click print and have time to eat breakfast, take a shower and get dressed before the frigging thing prints out. This is definitely NOT a printer problem since the printer is connected via a network to a Windows machine. Clicking on the same document in IE results in the document being printed immediately. Somehow, somewhere, something got seriously broken in Firefox. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: cpio command and schg flags
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 19:41:48 -0400 Fbsd8 articulated: I am running release 8.2 and $ cpio --version returns bsdcpio 2.7.0 -- libarchive 2.7.0 This version seems not to copy the schg flag maybe cpio got upgraded in release 9.0 which you must be running. $ uname -rm 8.2-STABLE amd64 $ cpio --version bsdcpio 2.8.4 -- libarchive 2.8.4 -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [OT] pfSense Book Publisher
On Fri, 2 Sep 2011 16:33:22 -0400 Alejandro Imass articulated: Hi, Anybody know the editorial/publisher of the psSense book? Which one? Perhaps you might want to start here: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooksfield-keywords=pfsensex=0y=0 BTW, your sig delimiter is not followed by a space effectively making it useless. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Hi
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 02:09:30PM -0700, Spencer Thompson wrote: You have an interesting thing to start on and a worthwhile place to begin your exploration, but you will need to do some studying. It will be necessary to explore some things on the net. The Handbook is a good place to start. There are other things besides the Handbook that provide good information. Some are pointed to on the FreeBSD web page and some you can find with a little searching. You can also buy some good books on installing, configuring and using FreeBSD. If you are unwilling to to the preparation - studying, searching and downloading, you will probably not be successful. So, if your interest is real, start now to walk the walk and not just talk the talk. FreeBSD is a very good OS, even for a laptop. You might have to verify that drivers are available for the particular peripherals on the laptop you with to use. You can purchase a CD set or DVD from which to install the latest RELEASE of FreeBSD, but after installing, you will want to upgrade to the latest security update which will happen by download over the net. You will also want to install some ports. You will really want to install the latest of those as well and that will requite downloads over the net. The update and port install utilities all take care of these things for you. Read and follow the Handbook. Unless you choose not to, the OS man pages will be installed when you do the main installation. Then when you install a port, it will install the man page for that port. So, you can read man pages locally - offline if needed. Have fun. You may think it is too hard, but in just a few days of work and play, you will discover it is worth the effort. jerry Dear FreeBSD.org, I would like to order a CD with FreeBSD for an IBM Thinkpad. What is the best package to get? Will it work perfectly? I want a package with the manual, man-pages and how to use FreeBSD perfectly in books. What does Free in FreeBSD mean? Does it mean Free as in Free of charge? Or is there an alternate meaning? I'm wanting the best operating system for my laptop. Is this the one? Why is it free of charge when I want to pay for it? I don't want something stupid. I don't want to read the man-pages on the internet. Or the manual on the internet. Nor download anything. I don't like that. Does it come with all the applications I need for business and marketing? That's all I need. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.0-RC1 Release?
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 01:52:02AM -0500, Nathaniel Torbett wrote: Hello, Distrowatch has you slated to release 9.0-RC1 on 8/24. I cannot find the release for download. Is this delayed and is there a new release date/schedule? Anyone, even Distrowatch, who posts a specific date for a release before it happens doesn't know what they are talking about, At best, then are guessing.FreeBSD creates target dates for certain aspects of the work to help focus the work, but these are not official release dates. jerry Thank you, Nathaniel Torbett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: shopping for a new server
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:08:28 -0400 Tim Kellers articulated: Thank you Max, that sounds like good news so far. One minor issue I ran into is that disabling serial ports in BIOS causes FreeBSD to freeze when booting. The solution is simply to set serial ports to be On without Console Redirection. You should also leave Intel I/OAT disabled, since FreeBSD has no support for it. Is anyone working on integrating support into FreeBSD? There is an abundance of info available and drivers for both Windows (obviously) and Linux. http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/network/IntelPRO/R167266/en/ioat.htm http://www.intel.com/support/network/adapter/pro100/sb/CS-023725.htm -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: shopping for a new server
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:38:26 -0400 Outback Dingo outbackdi...@gmail.com articulated: On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jerry wrote: On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:08:28 -0400 Tim Kellers articulated: Thank you Max, that sounds like good news so far. One minor issue I ran into is that disabling serial ports in BIOS causes FreeBSD to freeze when booting. The solution is simply to set serial ports to be On without Console Redirection. You should also leave Intel I/OAT disabled, since FreeBSD has no support for it. Is anyone working on integrating support into FreeBSD? There is an abundance of info available and drivers for both Windows (obviously) and Linux. http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/network/IntelPRO/R167266/en/ioat.htm http://www.intel.com/support/network/adapter/pro100/sb/CS-023725.htm Just one more reason NOT to buy anything from Dell I fail to see the reasoning behind your statement. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Support for Bigfoot Killer E2100?
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:12:05 -0500 Mark Felder articulated: On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:41:50 -0500, Dennis Glatting free...@penx.com wrote: A number of motherboards (e.g., GigaByte Guerrilla and Sniper) are sporting a BIGFOOT Killer E2100 chip, which is also the board's Ethernet. Does FreeBSD support this chipset? Anyone tried it? It's a new chipset so it likely has no drivers. In Windows it's supposed to bypass the Windows TCP/IP stack. Either way it's a scam. Don't buy anything that incorporates BIGFOOT products. It might prove beneficial if you actually took the time to state exactly why you consider it a scam. I found numerous articles describing this device. One such site: http://www.examiner.com/pc-game-in-national/bigfoot-killer-2100-review-review In any case, the OP can check out this URL for more precise information: http://www.bigfootnetworks.com/killer-2100/ I think it is rather clear that this is not in all probability going to work on a non-windows OS. Nothing surprising there. As Willie Sutton so prominently stated, Go where the money is... and go there often. I wouldn't want to hold my breath waiting for a driver either. In any case, its your money. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: A quality operating system
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:47:04PM -0500, Evan Busch wrote: Hi, I make decisions about hardware and software for those who work with me. Talking with my second in command this morning, we reached a quandary. Ron is completely pro-Linux and pro-Windows, and against FreeBSD. What is odd about this is that he's the biggest UNIX fanatic I know, not only all types of UNIX (dating back quite some time) but also all Unix-like OSen. I told him I was considering FreeBSD because of greater stability and security. He asked me a question that stopped me dead: What is a quality operating system? One that works reliably - like FreeBSD. I hope it is confy under that bridge. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: A quality operating system
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:09:53 -0700 Michael Sierchio articulated: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Dave Pooser dave-free...@pooserville.com wrote: 3) Updates are a mess. It's cool that I *can* compile a new kernel, but that I *have* to is ridiculous. Updating a server should not be more difficult than yum update -- full stop. Are you lazy, or stupid? man freebsd-update I have never wasted my time with it personally; however, I thought I read somewhere that it did not work if the user had built a custom kernel. From what I have seen written regarding it, you have to move the custom kernel out of the way and replace it with the generic kernel, run the freebsd-update program and then re-install the custom kernel and then rebuild that. Assuming that is correct, I can safely say that only a masochist would find that solution given the numerous possibilities for catastrophic failure any serious consideration. Obviously the KISS principal was considered important in this scenario. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: new to os
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 03:18:09PM -0700, scott mcclellan wrote: I'm looking to try something different with my machine (or maybe I'm going through a midlife crisis). Currently run Wimdows (point and click), and would like to gravitate back to DOS (this is a thing of the ancient past for me 30 years - on a TRS-80). I know remember extremely little of OS vernacular. Am I biting off more than I can chew, or is there a OS commands for dummies out there, or does FreeBSD have such a critter that one can go through. I am not sure what you are trying to do here. If it is to learn a modern command line oriented system to replace all of the GUI, only can do what the author already thought up stuff like MS, then FreeBSD is a very good choice, probably the best. If it is to really get a DOS or CPM system, then, I think there some DOS emulators that used to work under FreeBSD, but I have never tried them. Some people also promote FreeDOS for this. I'll pour through the FAQ and got hrough the online manuals for now. But it all seems greek. Can someone point me in a diresction to degreek this stuff for me. There are some other tutorials and attempts at documentation out on the net in various places. Google is your friend for these. They can help fill in some of the initial empty spaces. Otherwise, the best thing for learning FreeBSD is to take the FreeBSD Handbook in one hand, an install CD/DVD in another and the keyboard in your remaining hand and do a couple of installs on an otherwise unused machine. Once you get a base system in and running, try some stuff. When you destroy it, install it again. You won't kill it very many times before you have a good handle on it and then find out it is extremely stable and survives pretty harsh mistreatment. Start with the latest RELEASE which is 8.2 and go from there. Just follow the Handbook instructions and it works. jerry Thanks, Scott McClellan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Poll on server attacks
On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:43:02 -0400 Alejandro Imass articulated: The purpose of this thread is to get some feedback on actions that admins here are taking to deal with ever increasing attacks on servers. I have relied heavily on fail2ban it's really effective and frustrating for crakers, and the notifications help you initiate your inspection workflows. But of course, it doesn't solve all the problems and way too passive for massive attacks on some services like Asterisk. So lately I have opted to simply close down IP block massively using the lists from wizcraft. I know it's a bit extreme but I've had to block all chinese, russian and nigerian ip blocks. And we're still evaluating closing off many other blocks from other lists as well. Personally, I prefer: https://www.countryipblocks.net/. It is just a matter of personal taste I guess. Is anyone else using such desperate measures? BTW I created an automated script in Perl that works with wizcraft's lists if anyone is interested I can post somewhere... My question is are any of you following up on US, Canadian, and European ISPs? Is it actually useful follow up and write to the abuse addresses? What type of feedback do you get? Do you use any other authority? Does it make sense to report to Local Police, DoD, FBI, CIA ? Do you help feed maintain gray/black lists? Up to now I just write to the abuse addresses as part of my follow-up from the fail2ban and my own log evaluations. My response rate from ISPs has been very low, though it's very gratifying to see that some have ticket systems, and that a few actually respond, care and take action. The majority though, are simply deaf so I've been thinking of pursuing the matter with police and legal authorities, at least for US, Canada and Europe. Other useful exercises are flapping your arms at a high rate of speed and attempting to fly. I can't believe that the majority of ISPs simple ignore my petitions to follow-up on their client's (or employee) abuse. I would like these people to at least be responsible and cover the enormous administrative costs. We are 2 admins in our company and we only have a few servers! I can't begin to imagine what companies with larger server farms have to through every day, and the enormous costs the face to fight off attackers. And that's not counting SPAM, which is a major headache for any organization today. IANA doesn't get involved so I think that at least where we have legal power within our reach, some legal action may get ISPs into being a bit more serious about keeping their networks safe. What do you think about pursuing matters into the police and legal system? About as useful as attempting to build a time machine in my basement. Knujon http://www.knujon.com/ is basically a one man operation that has made huge strides in discovering criminal activity among registrars, etcetera. You might want to investigate them further. They are always looking for help. Just for my own morbid curiosity, what are these enormous costs that you refer to? You are not buying new hard ware I assume. If you are using FOSS then there is little or no software cost involved. Other than paying for someone's time, something that would be happening anyway, what enormous cost comes into play? -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: files/dd7c394c9c9ddf4b97f1b14c676f370adc259b2c7a4b8346eba0788a431db398.gz not found -- snapshot corrupt.
On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:16:11 +0200 Roland Smith articulated: On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 05:46:37PM +0200, Hartmann, O. wrote: Since today, I can not update my ports tree due to this error as follows. This happens on all boxes running FreeBSD, the version of the OS (FBSD 8.2/9.0) doesn't matter. What's up with the ports collection? Probably nothing. files/dd7c394c9c9ddf4b97f1b14c676f370adc259b2c7a4b8346eba0788a431db398.gz not found -- snapshot corrupt. This looks like a portsnap error. Remove everything in /var/db/portsnap, and run 'portsnap fetch extract'. I get this crap from time to time also. It seems dependent upon which mirror portsnap uses at a given time. It always corrects itself in anywhere from a few hours to a few days. You can also try forcing it to use another mirror. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD WIFI USB adapter
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:27:29 - b...@taiotoshi.org articulated: Folks: I have a Dell XPS Studio laptop with a broadcom wifi adapter built in. I've had no luck trying to compile in the BWI option into the kernel to get it to work and think that buying a cheap usb WIFI adapter is the quickest way to make wireless 802.11 b/g work. Realizing that some chip sets are better supported than others, I was hoping some list subscribers might be able to identify currently offered USB WIFI adapters that they know to work. I will then purchase one that has a good track record. Any suggestions/comments on adapters that work would be greatly appreciated. Basically, stay away form any N devices. Even the cheapest WIFI's offer N today, so be sure to purchase one that doesn't support it or else in all probability you will not be able to secure a driver for it. I know that sucks; however, it is what it is. It is also the reason I totally gave up attempting to use FreeBSD on any modern Laptop. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: more information
On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:47:54 -0400 Alejandro Imass articulated: On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 9:18 PM, zareena crisostomo cyra_angel0...@yahoo.com wrote: Please help me with my research work..I'm working on Freebsd as my OS. Tnx. So, please clarify. You want us to do your homework assignment? But how can we? You sent a proprietary format and it's locked, so we can't even cut and paste to answer the assignment for you! I wonder what Ms. Nancy M. Flores would think of your research techniques! Sadly, none of your college of IT have their e-mails posted. Let's see. You were able to post on this list, so obviously you know how to STFW, and you obviously know how to read. So here, RTFM: http://www.freebsd.org/docs.html Then, after you actually install and try FreeBSD, and if you have any _specific_ questions, then come back here with ONE (1) question per e-mail. You may be wondering why such a hostile reaction from many people here. This will answer _that_ question: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html For Christ's sake, he posted a simple assignment outline, more than likely the original one he received and asked for help with it. Obviously, part of the problem can be attributed to language. I assume someone besides myself noticed where the assignment originated from. All he did was ask for some assistance; not for someone to do the actual assignment. Perhaps he could have worded it different; however, anyone with an IQ over 2 would have been aware of what his intent was. Personally, if I was his instructor, I would give him high marks on initiative for going straight to the source and seeking answers. I am assuming that you actually have some education, basket weaving doesn't count, and have received assignments that required obtaining facts, etcetera. It would have been so much easier and pleasant to have simple listed a few links to documentation that he might be able to use rather than attacking the OP in a condescending manner. If you are really looking for e-mail addresses, start here: http://www.uc-bcf.edu.ph/. When you e-mail his instructors, please CC me as well. I really want to see how this is going to turn out for you. Be sure to include the OP's original post to this list as well. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: more information
On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:17:13 -0400 Alejandro Imass articulated: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:47:54 -0400 Alejandro Imass articulated: [...] For Christ's sake, he posted a simple assignment outline, more than likely the original one he received and asked for help with it. Obviously, part of the problem can be attributed to language. I assume someone besides myself noticed where the assignment originated from. Everyone reacts from his or her particular perception. The assignment is in plain English so I doubt the problem is language related, so in my perception, the question is laziness. And you have to respect that. No I don't. Being able to read a language, and I have no idea, nor do you, exactly how well the OP can converse in English. There are numerous posters on this forum that apparently can read to a limited extend and post as well in English. Grammatically, it may suck but at least the the majority of this community can ascertain what the OP was trying to convey. All he did was ask for some assistance; not for someone to do the actual assignment. Perhaps he could have worded it different; however, anyone with an IQ over 2 would have been aware of what his intent was. Exactly my point, thanks: With my humble IQ of 2, his e-mail reads Please do my homework for me. quote Please help me with my research work..I'm working on Freebsd as my OS. Tnx. /quote Interesting! Do != Help You do have a serious IQ deficiency. So, using your interpretation, the next time someone posts asking for help with a problem they have encountered with FreeBSD, you are going to assume that they want you to actually fix it for them rather then give them some verbal assistance or a link to a possible fix? Pathetic to say the least. Personally, if I was his instructor, I would give him high marks on initiative for going straight to the source and seeking answers. I am It's a good thing you are not! IMHO awarding laziness is not a good thing. assuming that you actually have some education, basket weaving doesn't count, and have received assignments that required obtaining facts, etcetera. It would have been so much easier and pleasant to have simple listed a few links to documentation that he might be able to use rather than attacking the OP in a condescending manner. The only one attacking here, my friend, is you. My mail was very straight forward: go do your homework first; then come back and ask some intelligent question. I would gladly accept you criticism if I hadn't pointed the OP in the right direction. But if it's a question of style then the question becomes, where did you get your education? because any of my teachers would have done the same or worse: go away and come back with a specific question; don't come here with you assignment and expect me to do it for you!, but here, read this and then come back If you are really looking for e-mail addresses, start here: http://www.uc-bcf.edu.ph/. When you e-mail his instructors, please CC me as well. I really want to see how this is going to turn out for you. Be sure to include the OP's original post to this list as well. Yeah well you should have looked yourself first, the faculty staff is here: http://www.uc-bcf.edu.ph/Programs/Faculty?College=CITCS And, as I stated in my original reply, they don't post their mails. I do my homework first. Really, it took me just seconds to find this address: em...@uc-bcf.edu.ph. I have just sent a message to that address requesting that it be routed to his instructor, Ms. Nancy M. Flores requesting clarification on this assignment, particularly whether it is considered outside the bounds of the assignment to contact the FreeBSD mailing list directly. I included the OP's original post to this group so as to eliminate any confusion on her part. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with Bind Weirdness Logging
On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 10:25:13 -0700 Drew Tomlinson articulated: On 8/5/2011 9:40 AM, Mark Felder wrote: On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 11:15:21 -0500, Drew Tomlinson d...@mykitchentable.net wrote: Just recently, I noticed that my server can't resolve for some names. The ones I've noticed are for Microsoft domains, specifically go.microsoft.com and time.windows.com. For example: What kind of firewall stuff are you doing? Is it possible you're dropping the DNS replies when they're TCP? This happens when the reply is a certain size. Thanks Mark. That may have something to do with it. I upgraded my wireless router to a Linksys E3000 a couple of days ago which is also my firewall. This thing is a piece of crap! Lots of weirdness regarding port forwarding. Some works. Some doesn't. Tech support is worthless. I'm going to take it back and exchange for another. Hopefully a new one will work right. Anyway, put my previous router/firewall back in place and now my DNS server is able to resolve. Thus the firewalling thing was likely the problem. Any ideas on how to get Bind logging going? I have experience with both the E3200 and E4200 models. I have not worked with an E3000 before though. In any case, they are both Wireless-N routers. FreeBSD does not play well with N wireless devices. In any case, have you tried doing a hard reset of the router and then rebooting it and then you system? In regards to tech support, at least in my experience with Linksys, if you don't ask a specific question you are not going to get anywhere. I have found e-mail support to be better or even the live support if available. In any case, you can and I have requested a new support representative and have received one. Sometimes it is just the individual whom you are talking to cannot understand the question correctly. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: more information
On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:37:30 -0500 Gary Gatten articulated: If I find someone with an IQ of 160+ and they ask everyone to play nice, will you? Mine is only 140 something so I don't feel qualified to take this task on myself. It would be nice though if someone took such offense to a post they would simply ignore it or contact OP offline. Seem 50% of the content here is b!itching. Now sometimes, and perhaps most times, it serves as a source of entertainment for me. Others it's just annoying - such as now. With all this brain power and apparently spare time, can anyone tell me how to get back all the money I've lost in the market over the last 3 years? Or, perhaps in the last 3 days? I would like some help with that! Obviously, you are not well versed with Will Rogers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Rogers. quote The way to make money is to buy stock at a low price, then when the price goes up, sell it. If the price doesn't go up, don't buy it. /quote -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with Bind Weirdness Logging
On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 11:30:39 -0700 Drew Tomlinson articulated: Thank you Jerry. In my case, the FreeBSD boxes are hard wired so I don't think this will be a problem. I use the wireless for two Windows laptops, a Lexmark printer, and a Motorola Droid X. My specific issues with the E3000 were that even though remote management was properly configured and enabled, I could not access it remotely via https. I even tried disabling to SPI firewall with no success. Also in the single port forwarding, I had enabled the predefined SMTP service to point to my FreeBSD box on my local LAN. This worked. However I also enabled the predefined HTTP service to the same FreeBSD box and it wouldn't work. Additionally, I tried to forward some other ports as well like PPTP and IMAP/IMAPS but those wouldn't forward either. Using a packet sniffer on the PC on the Internet, I could see SYN packets leaving my PC but no ACKs returning. This same PC had no problems accessing all defined services with the old router in place. I had tried what I thought was a hard reset by pressing the reset button on the back of the e3000 and then reconfiguring. No luck. However I just read about a 30-30-30 reset on the DD-WRT wiki where you hold the reset for 30 sec, then power off for 30 sec, and then power on with reset pressed for another 30 sec. I'll try that when I get home. Otherwise this thing is going back to the store! Do you have any further suggestions? Off hand, no. I am assuming that you turned on https remote access in the router. Did you actually confirm that? I would suggest that you re-access your router and check it. If it is turned on, turn it off and save the setting then exit. Now reenter the router, re-enable the setting and save it. Now exit again. I have seen all types of devices, and I am sure you have also, that need to be tricked into working correctly. Did you configure the router to reserve the IP address of the FreeBSD box? If not, that could be a problem. I have seen it before. I am sure you have; however, are you absolutely sure you have the right IP addresses configured? Is DMZ turned on? If it is set to the FreeBSD box, turn off any other port forwarding to that box. If not, try turning it on and removing all the other port forwarding settings. See if it makes any difference. Without actually accessing the router all I can really do is guess. I do doubt that there is really a problem with it though; however, trying a new one might be a good idea. If possible, get the E4200 model. It is one bad ass router. Maybe someday FreeBSD will develop drivers for Wireless-N devices so that you can take advantage of its full potential. If all else fails, create a detailed BUG report and submitted it to linksys. It certainly cannot hurt and you might even get an answer directly from their tech department. One other idea, are you sure you have the latest firmware installed? It wouldn't hurt to double check. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: legal notices at the end of emails
On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 13:08:04 +0200 Svein Skogen (Listmail account) articulated: On 27.07.2011 13:01, Damien Fleuriot wrote: On 7/27/11 5:11 PM, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Ryan Coleman edi...@d3photography.com wrote: A heads up about your footer: This email goes onto a mailing list that is available via an online archive... your terms are violated just by sending an email to this mailing list. Not necessarily. It says [emphasis added]: The contents of this eMail ... should not be disclosed to, ... anyone _other than the intended addressee(s)_ ... Any _unauthorized_ review ... is strictly prohibited ... I don't see a problem provided the archived mailing list is considered to be among the intended addressee(s) and the sender is considered, by the act of sending it to an archived list, to have authorized the archiving (and implicitly any subsequent use of the archive). All the same, any of you guys ever take this kind of notice seriously ? I mean, really ? See, you've actually read the e-mail prior to reading (and thus accepting or refusing) the legal notice. It's like me sending you an e-mail, with a footer saying By reading this e-mail you hereby forfeit all of your fortune, properties and claims in favor of Pwnd LTD, who shall be the sole and universal beneficiary, and has just done you good.. Just because they appear in an e-mail and you've read that e-mail doesn't mean you've acknowledged said terms, let alone accepted them. Exactly. You did not solicit an agreement with the sender before the agreement appeared, and since it required no active part on your half, it is non-binding. I for one, on principle, decline to abide by such terms, which may in no case be enforced on me, seeing I never accepted them in the first place. I think the reasoning is the legal principle of whatever people think we can get away with, because we have a lawyer so slippery PTFT manufacturers are suing us for patent violations One would have to get my consent to abide by their legal notice THEN send me the actual contents. Now, that would work. Then again, on principle I would decline said terms so they couldn't send me whatever they wanted... Those e-mail-footers of legalese-sounding mumbo-jumbo threatening voodoo-action against you and anybody standing next to you, should you not be the sole designated, implied or expressed, recipient of that e-mail, are _LESS_ binding than shrinkwrap EULAs, and has less actual legal content than the gold-content of seawater. They add the footers to sound important. It's a mild case of narcissism. //Svein I find it rather amusing that anyone actually reads, far less pays any attention to those useless pieces of garbage (disclaimers). Although I do find it interesting that some pseudo Internet sheriff will condemn the use of HTML mail in forums as wasted bandwidth yet stay mum on the killing of defenseless electrons with the implementation of these pointless disclaimers. -- Jerry This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this transmission, please delete it immediately. Obviously, I am the idiot who sent it to you by mistake. Furthermore, there is no way I can force you to delete it. Worse, by the time you have reached this disclaimer you have all ready read the document. Telling you to forget it would seem absurd. In any event, I have no legal right to force you to take any action upon this email anyway. This entire disclaimer is just a waste of everyone's time and bandwidth. Therefore, let us just forget the whole thing and enjoy a cold beer instead. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore
On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 15:58:07 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: You are clearly an asshole who has no interest in having a reasonable discussion. Newer methods do not frighten me, you stupid asshole. Thanks Chad. At one time I thought you were intelligent with conflicting views. However, the more of your posts I have read over the past several months, the more I have become convinced that you are suffering from Paranoia. A fellow poster, Bruce Cran made a reference to the Windows registry. Although he was quite correct in his remarks, you choose to belittle his contribution. You have serious mental health issues Chad. Get help! -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 06:58:26 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 10:56:42AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: Want it like this? :-) ---http://xkcd.com/416/ That's exactly what I don't want. That is (an exaggeration of) what NetworkManager is trying to do and, predictably, it fails sometimes, just as MS Windows' automated network configuration stuff fails sometimes. By fails I don't mean something like it won't connect if there isn't a network. I mean that its primary purpose is to try to guess what the user wants based on the developers' mental model of what users want, then tries to make it happen -- and, too often, the developers' mental model of what users want does not match up with the reality. Users, and their circumstances, are not always the same. In fact, these damned automated wireless management tools are so focused on trying to provide what the developers expect people to do that they often interfere with one's ability to tell them No, I don't want you to do that, do something else. Work-arounds for some cases do exist, but they are often ludicrously wrong in principle (like blacklisting a particular network) so that they create too much fiddly overhead in practice, or inconsistently effective, or otherwise problematic. Automation is great when it takes a back seat to serving the individual's needs/desires, allowing itself to be overridden in simple, obvious ways. When it does not, it sucks. To do the former, all the developers of automated network management tools on Linux-based systems had to do is ensure there was a manually configured, manually operated command line toolset for network management and build automation around that. Instead, these idiots built automated toolsets from the ground up, then tried to add manual override capabilities into these toolsets after the fact as exceptions to the rule. In short, they followed the MS Windows approach, and what they ended up with was tools that not only emulate the pick a network, any network default behavior of MS Windows network management, but also emulate its apparently non-deterministic behavior, doing different things at different times for the same evident inputs, and fighting the user's actual needs and desires at times. In fact, the NetworkManager set of network management tools has in some ways outdone the stupidities of MS Windows network management. Hey, this is stupid, but it's not stupid enough. We can do 'better'. This is the kind of crap I do *not* want to see make its way into FreeBSD from the Linux world, and it's why I said I'm okay with tools like NetworkManager being released under restrictive licensing that makes it less likely to be harvested for ideas by OS projects like FreeBSD. The day some asinine automated network selection line of crap like NetworkManager makes its way into the FreeBSD base system is probably the day I stop using it. Stop using what, FreeBSD or NetworkManager? You do realize that no one is forcing you to use any networking tool in either MS Windows or FreeBSD? By default there is none available in FBSD, and the Window's applications can either be configured to your own liking (well maybe not you own specifications since you have not specified any) or simply deactivated. You could start here: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/Enable-or-disable-network-discovery. Chad, I have read through several of your posts and agreeing with some. However, I have come to the conclusion that you seem to exhibit a form of Forward Bias in regards to newer technology. What if, and that is a big IF, a suitable tool and I am not specifying NetworkManager either were to be written for or ported to FBSD that would make the discovery of networks as simple and remove the tedious and often faulty process of manually configuring a network? If the tool was not on by default as Microsoft's is, how could that possible offend you? By the way, both I and I would believe the named developers would be offended by your Fallacy of sweeping generalization you choose to throw at them. You equate your feelings of hated for automation as being shared by all users. Obviously that is grossly inaccurate. You are smarter than that, so why make such a sweeping and inaccurate remark. Dinosaurs are dead and the world moves forward. To deny others the availability and use of newer methods simply because they frighten you is beyond belief. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: em0 NIC slow on 8.2-p1 amd64?
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 16:31:25 + Peter Harrison articulated: Sorry for top posting. My 'phone makes it awkward. I use ndis for the wifi connection in my netbook. Was trivial to convert the Windows driver, and it works without issue. Anyone know whether it could do 'N' class devices, to address Jerry's longstanding (and vocal, and justified) complaint - so that we can have an argument about why I'd rather configure my wireless manually in a text file and not have it done automagically by the OS and not be side-tracked by the non-availability of drivers? Problem one was that NDIS was not working on 64 bit systems. I believe that has been addressed; however I cannot confirm it. The last time I tired was approximately three months ago. It would not work on the system, ie, the system would not use the driver. I even tried a piece of shit USB device (N protocol) on another one of my FreeBSD machines, and that failed also. The last of my FreeBSD laptops is now gone; they are all Win7 machines. I still have two towers, one with wireless USB that fails on FreeBSD. Now, I have absolutely no problem with you manually creating a file(s), etc to get a connection created. On the other hand, my 10 year old niece was visiting a few weeks ago. Like all kids, she had her laptop with her. Upon turning it on, it discovered my wireless network. All I had to do was give her the password, and she was on. Of course we are not talking about network discovery and but rather the act of getting a wireless card working in the first place. To a degree, they are connected though. Computers should make life easier, not more complicated. Manually having to discover what form of encryption is being used on a network when it can be done automatically, etcetera, just does not suit my definition of easier. I would much rather be playing a round of golf while you are debugging a wireless connection. So if you are looking for an argument as to why you should not be manually forced to configure a simple device that can and is automatically handled by other OSs, you will not get an argument from me. That is unless you think that I should also be forced to do the same. The Marquis de Sade isn't my hero and I am definitely not into sadism. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 14:29:41 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: If you turn off the automation that connects you to networks you do not want, you turn off the advantage you suggest FreeBSD needs. Maybe its a language thing; however, I am not comprehending what you are trying got say. You would, or at least I would, limit the networks I want to automatically connect to. That can be as few as one, or none if you simply disable it entirely. FreeBSD suffers from unneeded user intervention in order to configure the device, assuming (and that is a large assumption) that a driver is available for said device. In the case of N protocol devices, the chances of one being available ate moot to none. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:21:31 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: This is where we find a dividing line between users who want different things. Yes, you turn on your Win7 laptop (or wake it up) in a coffee shop, and it connects automagically -- in fact, you probably don't even realize it has connected. Hopefully it connected to the coffee shop's network, and not one of those occasional skimming networks that masquerade as coffe shop networks and exist to harvest login data and the like. The dividing line between two schools of thought on the matter in this example should be obvious. You do realize that all of that is configurable; ie, auto connect, preferred network, etcetera. If you have not taken the time to read the documentation and properly configure the wireless app correctly then why bitch? I am not implying that it is perfect; however, given the grave limitations that FreeBSD places on wireless connections; specifically lack of drivers, and the inordinate amount of manual intervention to accomplish what Microsoft and other OSs, (does the name Ubuntu sound familiar) have achieved, it is readily apparent that the FreeBSD implementation is trailing the pack. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 20:33:01 -0300 Mario Lobo articulated: First of all, forgive me for top posting but I don't want to disturb the debate between Jerry and Polytropon. In fact, I enjoyed it so much that I saved it in separate folder. It is just plain good reading, not only because of the issue at hand, but also because of the elegance and intelligence of the arguments presented by each of them, and because it was delightful to notice how their cultural backgrounds influence their presentations, to the point where even when using harsh words didn't carry offense. Ah, how sweet. You have just made my Christmas Card list. I apologize if you are a non-Christian. Let me clarify that statement. I am not apologizing because you might not be a Christian, but rather for offering to place you on my Christmas Card list if you aren't. I thought I had better make that clear less someone with an IQ of a cockroach claims I was attacking non-Christians. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 22:50:25 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 20:01:20 -0400 From: Jerry je...@seibercom.net Subject: Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 22:31:41 +0200 Polytropon articulated: Your TV example is very good. I've recently read a text that predicts the future of CDs - a text from the late 80's. When we consider what we are _currently_ using, the text predicting no important future for CDs looks quite funny. You are undoubtedly familiar with the 1986 quote: I think there is a world market for about five computers a Remark attributed to Thomas J. Watson (Chairman of the Board of International Business Machines) *SNICKER* So much for your reseearch skills. Thomas J. Watson _died_ in NINETEEN FIFTY SIX. If he made a remark in 1986 it would have been world-shaking news. You are citing a 1986 .sig item from a _USENET_ posting by a Convex Computer employee. The purported remark occurred in _1943_. *IF* it was made, it is worth noting that, as a prediction, it _was_true_ for *TEN*YEARS*. Now, how many other 'predictions' in the field of computing have survived _that_ long? Reputable sources have it: Although Watson is well known for his alleged 1943 statement: I think there is a world market for maybe five computers, there is scant evidence he made it. There *is* 'some' evidence, albeit _not_ conclusive, that his son, Thomas J. Watson, Jr. said something _remotely_ related in 1953, to wit: But, as a result of our trip, on which we expected to get orders for five machines, we came home with orders for 18. Actually, the research was fine; I simple failed to include reams of documentation, notes and citations. I felt that it would be overkill in the given environment. I was not attempting to fulfill the duties of a raconteur. I was simply demonstrating some of the factual or fictional statements made by supposedly intelligent individuals over time. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:19:04 -0400 Michael Sierchio articulated: IMHO what has helped Linux is the existence of commercial distributions with support - Red Hat, SUSE, etc. The only attempts to do this for BSD have been undercapitalized and/or half-hearted. Yes, it is hard to sell a car sans support. Giving the new owner an instruction manual and telling him to fix it himself is not an ideal business model. But I find the general premise of the discussion to be - how to say this politely? - stupid. Ah, such fine manners. Things that interest me are relevant, things that don't presumably are not, until they are. Now that I will agree with, unless I don't. :) -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Install 8.2-Release AMD64 on Laptop with Raid0
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:36:46 -0700 Thomas D. Dean articulated: On Tue, 2011-07-19 at 11:31 -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote: Umm, please don't inflict autoresponders upon people who answer your questions... I don't know where this came from... tomdean I have been getting hit with these auto responders for three days now. Always with a different address. I have not investigated it further however. Possibly a hijacked account or server. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:47:24 +0700 C. Bergström articulated: I wish people would spend as much time solving problems in *BSD as they do trying to defend an irrelevant OS ;) Personally, I wish they would spend more time in developing fully functional wireless drivers as opposed to simply bumping the major version number every 18 months +/-. I have two new laptops ion front of me that I cannot use FBSD on simply because they don't support the wireless (N class obviously) installed in them. I simply refuse to purchase a machine to accommodate an OS; nor will I attempt to change the wireless network card/chip for the same reason. OK, now the usual group of blame the manufacturers, blame Microsoft, blame everyone else for the problem are free to chime in. I was seriously considering hiring a professional programmer to write drivers for devices for me; however, it was then I remembers something I learned in business school, class 101. I weighted the cost of developing the drivers as opposed to simply purchasing an OS that all ready had those drivers readily available. Guess which was many times cheaper? Cost analyses proved that developing my own drivers was not cost effective. I suggested several years ago, and I will re-suggest that FreeBSD start a program that would allow programmers to be paid to write code that either the regular contributors do not want to write or are not capable of writing. Other OS's are currently working on that model. No one would be forced to contribute. This would prove beneficial to everyone and should satisfy both capitalist who don't mind paying for quality products and socialist like Poly who want everything for nothing. It would be a win-win situation. With the advent of the next version of FBSD soon to be upon us, this would be a propitious moment to start such a project. FBSD has never been considered a dreadnought in the driver development field and this might work to change that. At the very least, it would create a brouhaha among others although the pigeon-livered average FreeBSD user would probably abstain from support this project either from a lack of need or indifference to others or basic socialist/fascist concepts. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:49:03 +0200
Polytropon articulated:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 07:30:00 -0400, Jerry wrote:
I suggested several years ago, and I will re-suggest that FreeBSD
start a program that would allow programmers to be paid to write
code that either the regular contributors do not want to write or
are not capable of writing. Other OS's are currently working on
that model. No one would be forced to contribute. This would prove
beneficial to everyone and should satisfy both capitalist who don't
mind paying for quality products and socialist like Poly who want
everything for nothing. It would be a win-win situation.
Erm... you're invited to prove the everything for nothing
as well as the socialist claim. I'm old enough not to
take this insult personally, but still (for maintaining
discussion culture) please back up your statement, or it
will simply classify you as impolite and stupid.
Besides that nonsense, I agree with your statement. With
support (usually by money) and help of manufacturers that
are interested in bringing their hardware to a better
support situation by providing information and documentation
so developers could write drivers for many platforms, it
would be a win-win situation. It would even be better than
cost-intensive reverse engineering - means: better drivers
in less time, so FreeBSD could be used on most modern
hardware. The more standards are used, the less work is
needed to bring the new hardware up. (Just imagine you
would need a driver for a hard disk...)
There are so many fundamental problems with the standards concept.
For starters it limits or prevents basic product improvement or
development. It the wireless A protocol were to have been made a
standard then improvement on its deficiencies would have taken far
longer than needed. In all too many cases, the FOSS invents a
standard that locks users into one specific culture. Any obstacle
placed in front of a developer that impedes his/her attempt to improve
upon an existing protocol or the creation of a newer one is absolutely
unacceptable. Then again, standards are irrelevant. There are, after
all, so many of them to choose from.
Personally, this is no issue for me as I don't own such
things, but because you claim that I want everything for
nothing... :-)
If you don't own it, then you have no vested interest in it making your
statement irrelevant. Plus, both here and in an abundant of other posts
you have stated that product developers after spending X number of
US dollars, German Marks (DEM), Euros (EUR) or whatever currency
you like, freely give their work away to the FOSS community. That is
just plain bullshit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit. Only a
dyed-in-the-wool http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dyed-in-the-wool
socialist/fascist would even make such a statement.
Keep in mind that I've also spent money
on software, but on one that WORKS.
{citation needed}
Besides, why would any moron purchase software that doesn't work?
Obviously you failed to think that statement through.
The more the FreeBSD community depends on having certain
hardware working, the more support I see for developers.
But as the community seems to be spread across all the
many forms of OS use (mostly servers, but also stationary
workstations, just a minority seems to be using mobile
devices), I'm not sure it will be sufficient. It's not
that FreeBSD is a desktop-only OS which can invest all
its energy in getting commodity hardware working, while
leaving quality aside on other fields. Poorly implemented
features, broken code, messing around with quirks and
short-time solutions do not seem to be very welcome among
FreeBSD users.
You fail to even begin to equate the relationship between support for
mobile as opposed to conventional units. You are under the illusion
that FreeBSD does not fully support mobile units because of the lack
of a substantial user base. I beg to differ with that analysis. I
would use FreeBSD on at least on of my mobile units it _IT_ (meaning
FreeBSD) supported it. For years, pundits have been proclaiming the
Year of Linux on Laptops. Obviously that has never truly come to
pass. How could it, considering how poorly Linux worked on any medium
to high end unit. FreeBSD, unfortunately, doesn't even reach that
plateau.
While poor implementation of code, etcetera is certainly a concern on
any OS, the lack of code is a greater concern for many users of modern
equipment. Any one, and all to may do, prefer to stay with the status
quo rather than invest in the future. In many businesses, that is
called Dinosaur thinking, and we all know what happened to them.
--
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Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:51:55 +0100 Frank Shute articulated: I like Jerry's proposal. The FreeBSD Foundation should organise their donations page so that you can donate to various different areas of development like TUG do: https://www.tug.org/donate.html It should be at least split into server, workstation and general development. I donate to both FreeBSD and TUG but I far prefer the TUG model. When I donate to the Foundation, I know a lot of my money is going to esoteric server development which doesn't benefit me much but benefits large corporations who can afford to fund their own development to scratch *their own* itches. I want mine scratched! Thanks, I was not familiar with tug. I will definitely investigate it further. I am also in total agreement with you statement regarding donations to the Foundation. How much money (I don't really expect an answer) was donated to the Java group. Yet, they never delivered an up-to-date version. By the way Frank, agreeing with anything I propose on this forum will probably draw Poly's wrath not to mention the general disapproval of the masses at large. Unfortunately, the Something for Nothing mindset permeates all too strongly though the community. I honestly believe that there are users here who would rather eat garbage than pay a dollar (currency of your choosing) to have a fine meal. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:58:08 +0200 Polytropon articulated: Here the circle closes: Without STANDARDS, you wouldn't be able to view the digital pictures you took with a camera 10 years ago because the manufacturer decided to use a proprietary image format without any documentation, as you should only use the software supplied by the manufacturer. Dropping program version X and advertising version Y with the new models of the digital camera, and everything you'll have is a bunch of files nobody can read anymore. You can also see this in computer media, although with a lower half-life period. If you want to get into the future, rely on established, open and free standards. In my opinion, there is no alternative. Everything else would just increase costs (e. g. migration costs). But there are fields of use where costs simply doesn't matter (as it seems). I apologize for cherry picking this; however, your analysis is so faulty that I was force to. You camera analogy is simply absurd. You were aware that Kodak dropped the C22 development process decades ago which effectively make all films designed for that process useless. It also spelled then end of GAF, but that is another story. KODACHROME Film was discontinues after a 74 year run. Actually, it was created due to Kodak's inability to properly stabilize the layers in the color film it was trying to create; but that is another story. I still have several collector's grade cameras that used films such as the 116 and 616 designations. These films were discontinued in 1984. Should I sue Kodak, or any other manufacturer for their failure to continue support for these devices? When wan the last time you purchased a new Polaroid? News Flash: It was discontinued. Now, can you guess why? Perhaps you have noticed people using cameras that don't apparently use any film. You might want to investigate that further. You will find that newer technology supersedes and eventually obsoletes older technology. The point is, time moves on and technology advances. To continue to keep an industry shackled to an out dated protocol simple because some user, somewhere, sometime, may actually use it would only serve to enervate the software and hardware industry. Further more, this would serve to invigorate a cottage industry based on creating applications that could be used to convert such files to a newer format. Actually, several such programs exist now. I really hate the way standard is used by so many FOSS users. They use it as a shied against innovation. Rather than embrace newer technologies, they throw up the standard shield and claim that product A (product being anything your want it to designate) is bad because it doesn't follow some arbitrary standard. A product will stand or fall on its own merits. To insist that any product follow any strict guide lines effectively removes the developer's ability to improve upon or create new or better products. In my own country, we had the basis for HD TV back in the early 80's. I know individuals who were working with RCA at the time. Yet, it took 30 years for the industry to finally dump the existing framework and basically start over, You see Poly, sometimes you do have to change, unless you want to go the way of the dinosaur. Now, if this had been a FOSS project, we would still be watching BW TV on a big 19 screen. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:44:15 -0500 Gary Gatten articulated: snip I've always been curious why Linux seemed to take off so fast when other FOSS / non Winblow$ OS's were available for some time with not much traction; OS/2, BeOS, *nix with X11, etc. Not just on the desktop, but servers as well. Supported versions of Linux such as RHEL, Suse, etc. seem to have made more headway into the enterprise computing environment in the last ten years than *BSD did in the last 30. I think the explanation is rather simple, Give the user what he wants, not what you think he wants. You are never going to satisfy every conceivable user, so concentrate on the core users. Microsoft has done that extremely well. On the latest Windows 7, getting wireless up and running is the most effortless thing I have done in awhile. Windows does everything but fill in the password. On FreeBSD, well lets just say if that even if they had a driver for the wireless card I have installed, getting it up and running would be another matter. Correct me if I am wrong, but even network manager is not available on FreeBSD is it? I have not checked in awhile. I know that there are some programs listed, but none of them work as seamlessly as Microsoft's. It is a basic truism in any business that in order to beat your rival, you have to produce a better product or one that costs less and still maintains the same basic usability. Simply creating a free product that is not as usable is not enough. If you cannot accomplish that, then at least try to create the illusion of it. FreeBSD has failed at the goal also. From my personal experience - which is relatively limited - it seems applications just work on Linux? When I need to compile an app, it takes a few mins on Linux - but may take me a few weeks on FBSD. Granted someone more knowledgeable with FBSD, Compilers, etc. could do it much faster than I. Anyway, if someone has a brief explanation of why Linux has apparently triumphed (in so far as installed base, desktop penetration, etc.) where so many others have failed (including IBM with OS/2) I'd be interested in hearing those thoughts. OS/2 was IBM's fault from the beginning. They insisted that it be tied to the 286 processor. Gates attempted to talk them out of it in a famous meeting in Armonk, NY. IBM refused and effectively wrote it's own death sentence with OS/2. As with any product, first impressions are crucial. Their first one failed. Unfortunately, so many FOSS pundits have not learned this simple lesson. From Wikipedia: OS/2 1.x targeted the 80286 processor: IBM insisted on supporting the Intel 80286 processor, with its 16-bit segmented memory mode, due to commitments made to customers who had purchased many 80286-based PS/2's because of IBM's promises surrounding OS/2.[16] Until release 2.0 in April 1992, OS/2 ran in 16-bit protected mode and therefore could not benefit from the Intel 80386's much simpler 32-bit flat memory model and virtual 8086 mode features. This was especially painful in providing support for DOS applications. While, in 1988, Windows/386 2.1 could run several cooperatively multitasked DOS applications, including expanded memory (EMS) emulation, OS/2 1.3, released in 1991, was still limited to one 640KB DOS box. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 22:31:41 +0200 Polytropon articulated: Your TV example is very good. I've recently read a text that predicts the future of CDs - a text from the late 80's. When we consider what we are _currently_ using, the text predicting no important future for CDs looks quite funny. You are undoubtedly familiar with the 1986 quote: I think there is a world market for about five computers — Remark attributed to Thomas J. Watson (Chairman of the Board of International Business Machines) Now, I know you want to list Bill Gates' famous, 640K ought to be enough for anybody. statement in 1981. The only problem with that is: 1) He denies it. 2) No credible evidence or witness exists to prove he did say it. However, he readily admits making this one: I see little commercial potential for the internet for the next 10 years. Remarks at COMDEX (November 1994), attributed in Kommunikation erstatter transport (2009) by Karl Krarup et al. And who can forget the this 2006 beauty by Linus Torvalds: Which mindset is right? Mine, of course. People who disagree with me are by definition crazy. (Until I change my mind, when they can suddenly become upstanding citizens. I’m flexible, and not black-and-white.) Actually, and this is a matter of semantics, I am technically using DVDs and not CDs in my machines. And as surely as night follows day, even that will be obsoleted soon enough. Heck, Blu-ray is currently available and the 5D DVD with 10 terabytes, approximately 2000 times the capacity of a standard DVD is on the horizon. It seems like only yesterday I was using 5.25 floppies. The whole point being that the text you are alluding too may not be that far from the truth. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore
While I usually consider Slashdot nothing more than a bunch of juveniles ranting against Microsoft; however, I did find this rather interesting post this morning. Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/11/07/16/0020243/Lennart-Poettering-BSD-Isnt-Relevant-Anymore Interestingly enough, a great deal of it is true. It might be interesting to know how others feel about it. Obviously, asking that question on this forum is like playing against a stacked deck; however, it still might prove interesting. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: help
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:25:41 -0300 Mario Lobo articulated: On Thursday 14 July 2011 20:06:06 Erman Zülfükaroğlu wrote: Hi , I try to mount free bsd to Windows sharing folder. mount_smbs -I 10.0.0.x /10.0.0.x/share folder name /mnt/mount folder but i can't. mount_smbfs=unable open to connection syserr=connection refused samba installed. Which windows version? Is the folder shared properly? Win 7 is pretty rough on sharing folders. From the Windows command line run: net share A list of all presently shared directories will be displayed. Make sure the one you want is listed. Making sure that the share exists, try this command substituting your own values. IE, replace laptop user ShareName with your data. Make sure the mount point does physically exist before running the command. mount_smbfs -I laptop -U user //user@laptop/ShareName /mnt I will most likely ask for your password. Obviously you will need it to proceed. You also might want to check your /etc/hosts file to be sure it is correct. You may need to use the -W option depending on how your system is configured. I would avoid the use of a This works on all versions of Windows I have tried/used since Win2K. Personally, I avoid the nsmb.conf, ~/.nsmbrc files as I consider them security threats. If you must use on, be sure to encrypt your password. See: NSMB.CONF(5) for details. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: CUPS and Windows Printers
On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:49:59 -0700 James Colannino articulated: Hey everyone, I've been Googling around, trying to figure out how to see Windows printers via CUPS on FreeBSD, but so far, all I've found are links describing how to share FreeBSD printers with Windows boxes. Can anyone tell me how I can connect to Windows printers via CUPS + Samba so that I can start getting some work done at the office? :) Thanks so much! I have a wireless HP printer connected to both Windows and FreeBSD boxes. Unfortunately, at least as far as I could tell, there is no way to simply use the Windows' driver. I installed the hplip port and it all, after some experimentation, worked well. It is still not as easy as printing from a Windows box to a FreeBSD printer, but it does work. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ghghg
On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:48:43 -0700 Gary Kline articulated: testing What? Did you check this URL out: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-test -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Portupgrade Package Question
On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 00:35:28 -0400 b. f. articulated: This is the tag that you would use on src collections to update your base system sources (usually in /usr/src) to 8-STABLE. You would use RELENG_8_2 for the 8.2-STABLE security branch, RELENG_8_2_RELEASE for 8.2-RELEASE, and so on. Reading through the archives, several years worth, it appears that this is one of the most frequently asked questions. Many users, both new (obviously) and some not so new get confused as to what is the proper tag to use for each branch; ie Stable Current, etc.Maybe there should be some way to make it easier to understand. For example: 8.2-RELEASE: original release of code sans any updates, etc. 8.2-STABLE: released version plus security updates 8.2-CURRENT: All updates, security otherwise to the original version ?-CURRENT: The absolute latest release of FreeBSD irregardless of what version it is. Anyway, it is just a suggestion. In any case I think it might be easier for some to comprehend. Anything that eliminates confusion is a plus. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Perl Problem After Upgrade to 5.12.4
On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 13:00:24 +0200 SoCruel.NU FreeBSD Questions Mailbox articulated: On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 10:01:21 -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: Ideas anyone? I am trying to rebuild SpamAssassin after a perl upgrade to 5.12.4 and get this (I DID run perl-after-upgrade prior to this): === p5-Encode-Detect-1.01 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.12.4/Module/Build.pm - not found ===Verifying install for /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.12.4/Module/Build.pm in /usr/ports/devel/p5-Module-Build === License check disabled, port has not defined LICENSE === Extracting for p5-Module-Build-0.3800_1 = SHA256 Checksum OK for Module-Build-0.3800.tar.gz. === p5-Module-Build-0.3800_1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.12.4 - found === Patching for p5-Module-Build-0.3800_1 === p5-Module-Build-0.3800_1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.12.4 - found === p5-Module-Build-0.3800_1 depends on package: p5-CPAN-Meta=2.110420 - found === p5-Module-Build-0.3800_1 depends on package: p5-Module-Metadata=1.02 - found === p5-Module-Build-0.3800_1 depends on package: p5-Parse-CPAN-Meta=1.44.01 - found === p5-Module-Build-0.3800_1 depends on package: p5-Perl-OSType=1.000 - found === p5-Module-Build-0.3800_1 depends on package: p5-version=0.87 - found === p5-Module-Build-0.3800_1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.12.4 - found === Configuring for p5-Module-Build-0.3800_1 *** BOOTSTRAPPING Perl::OSType *** *** BOOTSTRAPPING version *** *** BOOTSTRAPPING Module::Metadata *** Checking prerequisites... requires: ! CPAN::Meta is not installed build_requires: ! Parse::CPAN::Meta (1.40) is installed, but we need version = 1.4401 ERRORS/WARNINGS FOUND IN PREREQUISITES. You may wish to install the versions of the modules indicated above before proceeding with this installation Could not create MYMETA files Creating new 'Build' script for 'Module-Build' version '0.3800' Copied META.yml to MYMETA.yml for bootstrapping These additional prerequisites must be installed: requires: ! Perl::OSType (we need version 1.00) ! version (we need version 0.87) ! Module::Metadata (we need version 1.02) === Building for p5-Module-Build-0.3800_1 Can't locate Perl/OSType.pm in @INC (@INC contains: t/lib t/bundled lib /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.12.4/BSDPAN /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.12.4/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.12.4 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.12.4/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.12.4 .) at lib/Module/Build.pm line 13. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at lib/Module/Build.pm line 13. Compilation failed in require at Build line 42. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at Build line 42. *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr1/ports/devel/p5-Module-Build. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr1/ports/converters/p5-Encode-Detect. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr1/ports/mail/p5-Mail-SpamAssassin. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr1/ports/mail/p5-Mail-SpamAssassi Hello Tim, list, I have the same problem on one of my boxes. Cannot upgrade p5-Module-Build-0.3800 port because of this. Has anyone filed a PR against this problem? -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Perl Problem After Upgrade to 5.12.4
On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 08:12:16 -0500 Tim Daneliuk articulated: I was able to work around this by: 1) Uninstalling spamassassin and perl 5.12 2) Upgrading to perl 5.14 3) Running perl-after-upgrade 4) Reinstalling spamassassin That is not exactly the method prescribed in UPDATING: quote 20110517: AFFECTS: users of lang/perl* AUTHOR: s...@freebsd.org lang/perl5.14 is out. If you want to switch to it from, for example lang/perl5.12, that is: Portupgrade users: 0) Fix pkgdb.db (for safety): pkgdb -Ff 1) Reinstall new version of Perl (5.14): env DISABLE_CONFLICTS=1 portupgrade -o lang/perl5.14 -f perl-5.12.\* 2) Reinstall everything that depends on Perl: portupgrade -fr perl Portmaster users: portmaster -o lang/perl5.14 lang/perl5.12 Conservative: portmaster p5- Comprehensive (but perhaps overkill): portmaster -r perl- Note: If the perl- glob matches more than one port you will need to specify the name of the Perl directory in /var/db/pkg explicitly. /quote I used the portupgrade method without incident. From what I have been told, perl-after-upgrade != env DISABLE_CONFLICTS=1 portupgrade -o lang/perl5.14 -f perl-5.12.\* As always, YMMV! -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What is xz ?
On Sat, 02 Jul 2011 12:26:14 +0100 Chris Whitehouse articulated: On 02/07/2011 07:38, Polytropon wrote: On Sat, 02 Jul 2011 11:53:17 +0530, Manish Jain wrote: Hi all, I just downloaded FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-dvd1.iso.xz and the md5 checksum is correct. Can someone please tell me what does that xz at the end stand for ? It looks like it stands for some kind of compression (gzip/bzip2/some new format), but I can't figure out exactly which one. It's xz compression, archivers/xz from ports, which is ...but before you install it you may find it is part of the base system. %pkg_info -Ix xz pkg_info: no packages match pattern(s) %which xz /usr/bin/xz I'm on 8.1-R From: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/8.1R/relnotes-detailed.html quote The liblzma library for LZMA2 lossless data compression algorithm and the userland utilities xz(1), xzdec(1), lzma(1), and lzmainfo(1). has been imported. When the old system is upgraded to 8.1-RELEASE, deinstalling a version found in the Ports Collection (archivers/xz) and recompilation of the packages which depend on it may be required. /quote -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What is xz ?
On Sat, 2 Jul 2011 17:51:38 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: What I know is that I have a '7.2-RELEASE' i386 box, that's had nothing done to it after the original 'sysinstall' (from CDs, no net connectivity), as far as _adding_ anything. it does run a highly customized kernel, but that is the only 'post-install' change made. It is on that box. This was a near full install from the CDs, not a minimal one. What is the output of: which xz -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Mozilla retires Firefox 4 from security support
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:02:23 -0400 Robert Huff articulated: Jerry writes: From URL: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9217837/Mozilla_retires_Firefox_4_from_security_support. Obviously users of version 4 will be more or less forced to update to version 5 which is now in the ports system. What amazes me is how quick support was pulled from version 4. My morning-fogged mind says Version 4 was out less than a year. Correct! When Microsoft EOL'd a ten year old OS (XP) the wailing's from certain factions was deafening. Now with Mozilla EOLing a product less than a year old the sounds of silence seem to be propagating. The best part is that many of my add-ons again no longer work. From what I can see in the ports system, and I may be wrong, there is not an option to use the version 4 either although remnants of version 3x seem to still be available. It appears that a user is forced into version 5 from version 4. Wow, and people bitch about Microsoft's update policies. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Mozilla retires Firefox 4 from security support
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:08:39 +0200 Admin Cyanide articulated: The major difference is that when updating Microsoft's OS from a major version to another you have to pay. I'm not flaming, I just want to focus on the fact that this products have not the same constraints. We were, or at least I was under the impression we were, discussion web browsers. Microsoft and Mozilla both made significant changes in the browsers before bumping the major version number. In this particular instance, it appears that has not happened. What really bothers me is that they EOL'd the version 4 virtually without warning after only a few months. I have never seen Microsoft or Google EOL a product that quickly. It might have been nice to keep the version 4 available for users who find version 5 unsuitable for whatever reason. Microsoft even keeps IE-5 (although I don't know why) available for download. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Mozilla retires Firefox 4 from security support
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:25:16 -0700 Chip Camden articulated: Yes, Pentadactyl for one. Upgrading to its nightly build version makes it work, sort of. Looks like text fields no longer scroll properly. This is taking the Google-led trend of beta is the new release to extremes. Google and its, BETA-4-EVER concept is one I would not like to see instituted. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: freebsd list admins?
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:52:23 -0400 Robert Simmons articulated: Who is the admin for freebsd-quesitons and freebsd-security? There seems to be a few email addresses that are subscribed to these lists that keep spamming it periodically, or in the case of freebsd-security actually don't exist and have a broken mailserver that sends a reponse back to the list. The addresses don't seem to be changing, so would it not be easy for an admin to remove those addresses from the list? I've tried sending emails to postmas...@freebsd.org about it, but I get no response, so I figure I'm barking up the wrong tree there. You have voiced a concern that has been voiced here several times in the past. Unfortunately, this is an open list; ie, anyone subscribed or not can post. This leads to the inevitable problems that plague this forum. I have tried contacting the postmaster in the past also. Personally, I think it would be easier to contact Jimmy Hoffa(1). Occasionally you will see some reference to moderators, but then again, I have never witnessed any actual intervention on their part. Of course, I have also seen references to Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny although I have never personally witnessed either of them. Now, if this forum were conducted under the same restraints that the Postfix forums(2) adhere to, the quality of advice given and basic overall quality of this forum would increase immeasurably. It is my personal view that FreeBSD-Questions should be consolidated into the chat forum. Chat forums are rarely moderated and tend to be open to the general public. The Questions forum has deteriorated to the level of SlashDot which has deteriorated to the level of a cesspool. At least SlashDot openly admits that they allow (encourage) Anonymous Coward to post. (1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Hoffa (2) http://www.postfix.org/lists.html -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Point me to resource or user info
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 07:50:42 -0400 Fbsd8 articulated: On 21 June 2011 04:44, Allen chef11...@aol.com wrote: Been on Linux maybe 10-12 distributions for 10 years, am 80 and always been curious about BSD so finally getting around to it. Presently sadly my new Toshiba L675D seems to have some Linux incompatibilities so I have win 7 with Ubuntu 10.04.2 wubi. I do have a huge data partition that could be resized and wondering if some kind soul would offer options based on my present configuration. I do have wireless network. Thank you Best place for you to start is by reading the Freebsd Handbook http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ and the Freebsd installer guide http://www.a1poweruser.com/ Its easy to clobber the PCs primary operating system so before installing on your new Toshiba L675D be sure to create backups or better yet swap the hard drive with a empty one to play on until you have learned what your doing. This PC supports Wi-Fi® Wireless networking (802.11b/g/n); however, FreeBSD has extremely poor support for N class devices. You might find that to be a show stopper. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD?
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:23:15 +0100 Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk articulated: I think we have to wait for somebody to write a Skype clone and hopefully MS taking over Skype will provide the impetus (MS will drop the linux port as soon as they can). Yes, more FUD. No one, including the OP has ever produced a single shred of proof that Microsoft would discontinue support for operating systems other than its own. While it certainly has every legal right to do so, it would be counter productive to seriously entertain that notion. While they would most likely would not produce any binaries specific to FreeBSD, but then again, no one else ever did either, supplying binaries for Linux would certainly be advantageous. The frame work is all ready in place and there does not appear to be any movement or reason to disassemble it A simple check on the business model of Skype in Microsoft's software arsenal would lead one to the conclusion that continuing Skype support/development on non-Windows operating systems was advantageous. No one has come forth with a suitable thesis to dispute those facts although the usual sky is falling from the usual naysayers is still prevalent. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: {SPAM} New games for you
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:52:15 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com articulated: Anybody running procmail who is tired of this Netlog cr*p (thanks to one Elias Shashati, who subscribed the questions mailing list to their service) is welcome to use the procmail recipe that I have posted at: http://www.r-bonomi.com/procmailrecipe1.html Interestingly enough, WOT http://www.mywot.com/ rates that site very poor and displays a warning when it is visited. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Auto Reply: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD?
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Dave Segleau dave.segl...@oracle.com articulated: I am out of the office until June 20th. I will only have intermittent access to email. I will read and reply to your message when I get back to the office. If you need assistance with a Berkeley DB or Product Management issue while I am away, please contact ashok.jo...@oracle.com. Yes, another malfunctioning / incorrectly configured vacation / auto reply program. I often wonder if anyone actually takes the few minutes required to check to make sure the program is working correctly. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New games for you
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:45:22 +0100 Bruce Cran articulated: On 19/06/2011 12:38, Jerry wrote: Interestingly enough, WOThttp://www.mywot.com/ rates that site very poor and displays a warning when it is visited. I suspect some people like reporting sites as bad. Mine was reported as not safe: has the trojan virus and I had to ask Norton to re-check it before it marked it as OK. It has long been my thesis that this is a rather prevalent activity among those with limited IQs. Those same morons are usually the ones in the forefront of spreading FUD among the masses. They never offer a citation for any of their remarks or accusations either. Unfortunately, especially in some circles, their accusations become the de facto standard. The only sure cure for such afflicted individuals is retroactive birth control. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD?
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:50:44 +0200 Jurgen Debo articulated: The fact Microsoft did buy Skype, does worry me too. The Skype protocol is a closed protocol. SIP is an open standard. Open or closed makes no relative difference to me or the majority of users as has been demonstrated numerous time with various software titles. The bottom line is does it work and what is the learning curve of the product. It has been demonstrated numerous times that the majority of end users do not want to invest large amounts of time trying to get an application configured and up and running. With the exception of the hobbyist, that is virtually always true. And about Microsoft ? Almost EVERYTHING in hands of Microsoft turns to a disaster or something which does compromise security, privacy or whatever. They can't make a secured OS, their servers are nothing compared to BSD servers, their hypervisors are sh.t as their messenger took ICQ from the market. And the last one did piss me off, because in the old days, I got nice dates with academic people with ICQ. But Messenger killed this all. I am not sure about this ICQ rant. I never was much for IMs anyway. My favorite was Trillian though. I have not used it in several years though. I am still not sure about your rant regarding messenger vs ICQ. ICQ is certainly still in use; I just checked. I have been in various environment and I been exposed to both Linux and Microsoft servers. I cannot say with any certainty that BSD servers were employed however. In any case, I have never personally experienced any appreciable difference. That, of course, is my own personal observation. The quality of the server is usually, at least in my own experience, directly related to the personnel who are responsible for its configuration and maintenance. My opinion, when I can get away from Microsoft, I do it. This company is a complete failure, and I don't belief they will persist to even exist in a decade due to their policies. Please define failure. When you control virtually 90% of the PC market, I fail to see how you can call that a failure. They released Kinect in advance of *.nix forcing others to play catch-up. To control any theater of operations you must get ahead of the curve. While hobbyists love anything not Microsoft, in the medical profession, legal profession, etcetera, Microsoft rules. There are highly specialized software written for their operating system that simply does not exist anywhere else. When it comes to Office Suites, there is nothing even remotely close to what Office 10 offers, no matter what flavor you prefer. OO tried for over ten years and never even produced an Office-97 clone that was anywhere as fully functional as the prototype. I have seen grown men and women reduced to tears trying to get OO to accomplish what MS Office could easily do. Again, this is not a criticism but a simple statement of fact. Before anyone can seriously make an attempt to dethrone Microsoft, they have to produce an Office Suite that is as fully functional as and compatible with existing MS Office products. That is just not going to happen in the foreseeable future. I think this tidbit is rather interesting: The German Foreign Office first started using Linux as a server platform in 2001 before making Linux and open source software their default desktop choice in 2005. Most observers thought the move a success. However, the government will now transition back to Windows XP, to be followed by Windows 7, also dropping OpenOffice and Thunderbird in favor of MS Office and Outlook. Until open-source proponents stop blaming Microsoft for their problems and rather focus on making better and easier to use applications the demise of Microsoft is certainly not in sight. Alas, it is easier to blame than to correct so I do not see the status quo ante changing anytime soon. With Microsoft there is ALWAYS a catch. The same can be said of any OS. For instance, with FreeBSD one catch is that there are virtually no drivers for N class wireless devices even though said devices have been available for over 5 years. That is not a knock but rather a fact. There is ALWAYS a catch no matter what OS you are referring to. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD?
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 09:49:49 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated: I eagerly await the day when office suites go the way of the dodo. I think people use them more due to a form of Stockholm Syndrome than out of any specific need, in most cases. Would you care to elaborate on that statement? Is your prejudice based on the fact that there is nothing in the open-source community that can even begin to match the robustness and ease of use of MS Office, and so as to simplify this question, I am referring to the latest offering; ie MS Office 10, or do you have some other specific complaint? Unlike your appraisal of the situation, I find that users use office suites, in this case MS Office because it offers the end user what they want. Specifically, an all-in-one application that integrates seamlessly into their home or work environment without the need of additional software. Microsoft's decision to offer MS Office in several flavors was a wise investment. The MS Office Home and Student 2010 can be purchased for $79 from many distributors. I know over a dozen users who have installed this very suite on their home PCs simple because the price+value exceeds anything available anywhere else. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: free sco unix
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 03:28:24PM +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote: On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: I'ts _MUCH_ simpler, to just sign and date a copy of the work, and have a notary public 'witness' the signature. True. Without the service of a public registry of copyrighted works that (I think) only the US offers, and when you need a legally binding official stamp of some sort, you can go to a registered public notary. They're mildly expensive though; certainly a lot more expensive than the US Copyright Office fees. Have you ever had something notarized? I have had many things. It is not generally expensive. They ask $5 - $20 and many banks will have someone who will do it for for free if you have an account in the bank. That is much cheaper than doing an officialy USA registration. What the Notary notarizes is your signature being done at that place and on that date. jerry -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep
On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 17:37:14 -0700 Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com articulated: On Jun 9, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: In many cases, it's not even obvious which of the products I find are suitable for building various types of network switches. Do you know of any Webpages that might help me rectify my dearth of understanding in this area? You can get an unmanaged 24-port 10/100/1000 switch for less than $10 per port, and a good managed switch for about $30 per port. A cheap quad-port GB NIC runs $200 or $50 per port; and one from Intel or Cisco which can actually run all of the ports near rated line speed is closer to $100 per port. You simply can't build a commodity PC using these and end up anywhere near the price point of a dedicated switch. Or, as it is commonly stated, You get what you pay for. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sorry. Numpty alert! FreeBSD Jails... Help?
On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 19:53:13 +0100 Dave d...@g8kbv.demon.co.uk articulated: There is at the same time, not enough detailed info as to how to, and way too much detail of what there is. The Man pages are good references, but lousy how to's... (Sorry.) Many knowledgeable people consider man to simple be an acronym for, Much About Nothing. In any case, I assume you have read the documentation @: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/jails.html Perhaps you could list a few of the steps you have taken to a achieve your goal. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Installing a root certificate in openssl
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:17:39 -0500 jh...@socket.net jh...@socket.net articulated: I am attempting to get TLS with Postfix working and I have run into a problem and nothing I have tried seems to resolve the problem. When a TLS connection is started, I see the following in /var/log/maillog Jun 3 17:38:13 mo-bak-s1 postfix/smtp[41281]: certificate verification failed for abc.org.s9a1.def.com[WW.XX.YY.ZZ]:25: untrusted issuer /C=US/O=Equifax/OU=Equifax Secure Certificate Authority I have downloaded the Equifax Secure Certificate Authority.cer, converted it to PEM format. Then, I added the certificate to my certfile and restarted Postfix. I had the same result. My guess is that I am doing something wrong importing the Equifax certificate. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Have a nice weekend. Did you run: c_rehash on the file? In any event, this is probably best asked on the Postfix forum. Follow the directions located here for best results: http://www.postfix.com/DEBUG_README.html; particularly those under: Reporting problems to postfix-us...@postfix.org -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Python version
On Wed, 25 May 2011 07:58:56 +0300 Patrick Brookings patr...@icebluehost.com articulated: Hello, Can you please tell me what standard version of Python comes with the latest FreeBSD? And also, is it possible to upgrade to a newer version without breaking other functionalities? I am asking because more and more scripts require at least Python 2.5, whereas CentOS for example only comes with 2.4.3, and it's pretty much impossible to upgrade the system Python without breaking yum and things like that. I think it it 2.7.1: python --version Python 2.7.1 That is what I have anyway, and I don't remember ever updating it. There is Python 3.2.0 available in the ports system. The new release version from python for 3.2.1RC1 is due out May 23. It will probably reach the ports shortly after that date. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Ekiga FreeBSD (for a future without Skype)
On Sun, 22 May 2011 19:10:33 +0200 Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de articulated: Now, as M$ bought Skype, we should stop wining for a native Skype client for FreeBSD and should prepare us for the time when M$ will integrate Skype into its desktop and stop deliver binaries for Linux; Honestly, where do you get this garbage from. This is just another prime example of FUD rearing its ugly head. Microsoft bought Skype with the stated purpose of going toe to toe with Apple in the consumer market and leapfrog competitors by incorporating the service into its business software. Free Skype-style communications services aimed at consumers have effectively been banned in some Middle East countries such as the UAE, Bahrain and Saudi Arabia. Some countries are reluctant to allow free mobile phone voice calling over the internet because it could endanger the huge long-term investment countries such as the UAE have made in their telecommunications infrastructure. However, analysts believe it is in the business rather than the consumer space where the Skype acquisition may first start to pay off. Allowing Microsoft to introduce Skype-style video conferencing into its business offering could be the start of a more general acceptance of free and low-cost internet voice and video conferencing. Limiting or eliminating operating systems other than Microsoft's own platforms would be counter productive and could lead to a decreased monetary model. Obviously, that is something that Microsoft does not intentionally do. It didn't pay $8.5 billion just to jettison users. Personally, I am expecting the overall quality of the product to improve. I would not expect them to craft a specific model just for FreeBSD though. Then again, one doesn't exist now either. However, I would fully expect them to maintain and improve on a model tailored for Linux. It is in their best interest. -- Jerry jerry+f...@seibercom.net ''~`` ( o o ) +--.oooO--(_)--Oooo.--+ | | |.oooO| |( ) Oooo.| +-\ (( )+ \_)) / (_/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Skyip? question
On Wed, 11 May 2011 17:20:10 -0700 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org articulated: What does the list think of XBill's buyout of Skype? Gary, if you want to get your fill of FUD on this issue, I would strongly recommended that you visit the Slashdot site. It has been filled with bull-shit on this subject for days now. Personally, it reminds me of a football coach's reply to a reporter a few years ago. There were three teams left in the playoffs and the coach's team was to play the winner. The reporter asked the coach how he planned to handle the situation. He replied, that he was going home, sit in his recliner with a beer and watch the games on TV. Once the outcome of the games had been decided and his opponent revealed, he would answer the reporter's question. Personally, I believe the buyout is a plus. Microsoft intends, at least from press releases released so far, to incorporate Skype into XBox and Outlook for starters. It will undoubtedly make the use of Skype far easier on Microsoft's operating system. I have yet to see the downside of the deal. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies, ignored or reported as Spam. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Skyip? question
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 05:20:10PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: Hey Guys, What does the list think of XBill's buyout of Skype? i know there is probably a port for this for the BSD'S. ISn't it just a VOIP thing... maybe with some video glued on? I am sure MS will find a way to use it to coerce users to buy the rest of their system. What else is new. (How hard/easy woold be be to hack out a better one...or do GOOG and YHOO already have their own versions of skyip?) It has been done a few times. Some phone service companies also do essentially the same thing with a proprietary software. Lastly, a few years ago, somebody on this list said that skype was free like free beer. Pretty sure they had that saying when i was a kind back in the twelfth century, but still have no ides what it means, so would appreciate it from my fellow geeks who get that 'free-beer' swipe. I always thought, used that way, it meant that the sign may say 'Free Beer' but if you take it, you have sold your soul or some other body part unknowingly. They're going to get you some way. But, I never have heard any official definition. jerry thanx, gary -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org ethic Ju ST released: http://transfinite.thought.org/17da.html Where's that bloody .357?! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Established method to enable suid scripts?
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 07:13:50AM -0700, Chris Telting wrote: On 05/11/2011 07:14, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 05:54:04PM -0700, Chris Telting wrote: I've googled for over an hour. I'm not looking to get into a discussion on security or previous bugs that are currently fixed. Suid in and of itself is a security issue. But if you are using suid it it should work; I don't want to use a kludge and I don't want to use sudo. I'm hoping it's a setting that is just disabled by default. My understanding is that in general the system does not allow SUID on scripts. The way I have gotten around that (a long time ago) was to create a small binary that exec's the script and making the binary SUID. Well it's all hacks and in my not so humble option like chasing your tail. The assumption is that if someone creates an executable (assumption is programming is C) they are more credible not to make mistakes. That's a fallacy and just plain nuts. And I'm an interpreted language snob saying that. Suid is either allowable or not and should be a sysctl and apply equally to binaries and scripts. Yet another thing to add to my project list. Anyone know of an established patch for fix this freebsd issue or am I yet again going to have to create my own? Guess you will have to do your own. It's not a problem for the rest of us. jerry Either way thank you all again for your feedback. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Established method to enable suid scripts?
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 05:54:04PM -0700, Chris Telting wrote: I've googled for over an hour. I'm not looking to get into a discussion on security or previous bugs that are currently fixed. Suid in and of itself is a security issue. But if you are using suid it it should work; I don't want to use a kludge and I don't want to use sudo. I'm hoping it's a setting that is just disabled by default. My understanding is that in general the system does not allow SUID on scripts. The way I have gotten around that (a long time ago) was to create a small binary that exec's the script and making the binary SUID. Security cautions apply. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: (8.2) amd64 + linuxulator + nvidia driver is it stable ?
On Wed, 11 May 2011 10:14:47 -0500 Mark Felder f...@feld.me articulated: On Tue, 10 May 2011 20:19:06 -0500, Mario Lobo l...@bsd.com.br wrote: You should try the devel version. I'll consider it, but I rarely use Firefox and furthermore Chromium and Opera don't use nspluginwrapper and have the same issue. This makes me think it has nothing to do with nspluginwrapper. Does anyone know why the x11/nvidia-driver port has not been updated? The latest version is 270.41.06 according to the nVidia page: http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html http://www.nvidia.com/object/freebsd-x64-270.41.06-driver.html for 64 bit systems and http://www.nvidia.com/object/freebsd-x86-270.41.06-driver.html for 32 bit systems. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies, ignored or reported as Spam. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ Pound for pound, the amoeba is the most vicious animal on earth. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: (8.2) amd64 + linuxulator + nvidia driver is it stable ?
On Tue, 10 May 2011 17:30:04 -0400 Pierre-Luc Drouin pldro...@gmail.com articulated: I am using the non-devel version of nspluginwrapper. On my system, flash causes firefox to hang for maybe 10-20 seconds sometimes, but this resolves by itself... I think the problem that was originally identified and that I am also experiencing is not necessarily the same as what you are describing, although it is nice to know that the hanging problems might be gone with nspluginwrapper-devel. Usually when I kill npviewer.bin though, it is to prevent it from generating CPU load... I don't think that a day goes by that I don't have to kill a dozen npviewer.bin instances and delete one or two 300M+ npviewer.bin.core files. A real PIA to say the least. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies, ignored or reported as Spam. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Kernel errors after upgrade from 8.1 to 8.2
On Mon, 09 May 2011 08:54:29 -0400
Robert Fitzpatrick rob...@webtent.org articulated:
After following the handbook Chapter 24 to upgrade from 8.1 to 8.2, I
am getting kernel errors for various postfix commands...
{snip}
I would strongly suggest that you post this on the Postfix forum. Be
sure to follow the directions at:
http://www.postfix.com/DEBUG_README.html
snippet
Reporting problems to postfix-us...@postfix.org
When reporting a problem, be sure to include the following information.
A summary of the problem. Please do not just send some logging without
explanation of what YOU believe is wrong.
Complete error messages. Please use cut-and-paste, or use attachments,
instead of reciting information from memory.
Output from postconf -n. Please do not send your main.cf file, or
500+ lines of postconf output.
Better, provide output from the postfinger tool. This can be found at
http://ftp.wl0.org/SOURCES/postfinger.
The output from the postfinger tool is always the best option.
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Re: Newbie Needing Help
On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 03:44:57PM -0500, Antonio Olivares wrote: There's also ee in the base system, which is good enough for editing configuration files, and is much easier for a casual user. The benefits of vi and emacs are mostly for developers. It's not just for software development. I use Vim for writing code, but I also use it for writing in English -- professional work on articles, development of traditional (non-computer) RPG systems, fiction, configuration files, notes to myself, and composing emails (including this one). -- I have seen vi vs emacs, kde vs gnome, but vim is different from vi correct? It is dfferent from system to system. There are like different versions vi and vim is vi improved right? I was always told that vim is a more 'friendly' version of vi, but I never bothered to learn vim to find out. vi was easy enough. Anyway, the two biggest reasons to at least become comfortable using vi are: that it is everywhere. When you are doing sysadmin stuff, you may need to use it, even if your most used editor is something else. and that vi doesn't put any junk in the file like some formatting text editors do. An easy to learn table of vi information is at: http://z2.cl.msu.edu/~jerrymc/project/editvi/ jerry By the way, I remember a quote: Hello. My $NAME is ~inigo-montoya. You killed my process. Prepare to vi. --The Unix's Bride Cute. http://www.nancybuttons.com/catalog.cgi?o_custom=o_selected=1469:1action=browseaction_mod=showcat=cro Regards. Antonio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Home firewall with DLink router FreeBSD
On Fri, 6 May 2011 04:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Bill Tillman btillma...@yahoo.com articulated: Please excuse me. I typed my reply below all the existing text but somehow it ended up being formatted into the middle of this one. Can someone give me the tip for insuring I don't top post and that my reply ends up at the bottom of the e-mail? What are you using for an MUA? In any case, you could just delete all but a few lines of the original text and try placing your reply below that. Including 50+ lines of old text, especially text that has been replied to several times is more than slightly redundant; it borders on insane. Yet, unfortunately, it is done all the time. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies, ignored or reported as Spam. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sending a Fax
On Fri, 6 May 2011 19:50:47 +0200 Polytropon free...@edvax.de articulated: On Fri, 6 May 2011 10:30:58 -0700, David Brodbeck g...@gull.us wrote: On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 3:47 AM, Bill Tillman btillma...@yahoo.com wrote: Believe it or not, there are industries where faxing is still the norm. Don't just think about big industries, also keep small businesses in mind - LOTS of them. A manager writes a letter, prints it, faxes it to the secretary, she then types it, prints it, and faxes it back to the manager. In case the manager requires some changes, he phones her, or makes annotations to her fax and faxes it back. Then she processes the changes and faxes the result again. On both sides, it's an inkpee fax. If it's not used heavily enough, it will dry out. Are you joking? Why would anyone create a document, print it and then FAX it? I create documents all the time in MS Word and then FAX the document directly to the intended recipient. No printing required. And why would the manager FAX it to a secretary to be transcribed and printed then FAXed back? There are so many solutions to this that the only answer that I can conceive of in this situation is that you are describing an office environment from the 60's, unless you were just joking to begin with. You think: Stupid! Inefficient! Expensive! Absolutely Fully correct. And it's more the _norm_ than the exception, at least here in Germany. There are enough businesses that could invest in a computer-driven fax system (storage instead of paper, printing if and ONLY IF required), but they are too lazy in mind. Many industrial suppliers want purchase orders by fax. This has to do with a legal situation in many cases. A fax, unlike an e-mail, is often said to have a status like letter with receipt, so the statement: You did get the message. can be made from sending a fax and applying the receipt printed by the fax machine (sending report). Also printing a text, signing it, and then faxing it makes it look more legal. My legal signature has been scanned and stored so that I can simply add it to any document I created sans the whole wasteful printing operation, assuming that I do not require a hard copy. It also seems to be the common way that pharmacies communicate with doctors' offices. These are conservative industries where email (and especially, email attachments) are still viewed with some suspicion. It is legal in many locals in the US to FAX a prescription into a pharmacy. The same applies to many legal documents for use in courts, etcetera. I have never seen an e-mailed document accepted though. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE
On Tue, May 03, 2011 at 08:48:55PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote: --As of May 3, 2011 5:33:23 PM -0400, Jerry McAllister is alleged to have said: I don't remember seeing that. Anyway, go to the FreeBSD Release Engineering web site for information. http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html --As for the rest, it is mine. While that *should* be good advice, the most current 'upcoming releases' it lists are 8.2 and 7.4, both released a couple of months ago now. (Which it does say, at least.) So it's really fairly useless at the moment. Basically, as far as I can tell, 9 and/or 8.3 will come out when they come out. No sooner and no later. That is the way I interpret the page. eg. No code freeze. Open for submissions. jerry Daniel T. Staal --- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: A possibly odd upgrade question
On Wed, 4 May 2011 12:50:05 -0400 Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net articulated: I have an old PIII running FreeBSD7.3 currently, ports is all kinds of screwed up, when I did my first cross-version upgrade from 6.x to 7.x, I didn't know I had to rebuild ports, I subsequently upgrades though every version upto to 7.3. Ports is still FUBAR, half of them no longer work. So my question is this, now I know for the future to upgrade ports after every upgrade, is it safe to nuke /usr/local (excluding /usr/local/home), rebuild world/kernel for 8.2 and start with a fresh ports tree? I thought about a clean reinstall but this machine cannot boot from USB, both CD-ROM's are dead and have been disconnected to use IDE hard-drives and the floppy driver is dead as well. So it would seem an inline/online rebuild is my only upgrade solution but with ports in it's current state of FUBAR, it leaves me with the question of what to do with that too. P.S. I've tried a portmaster/portsupgrade of ports, both met with disastrous results and with 193 current ports installed, over 75% of which is broke and isn't used any more ... I need to start over Chris, when I have had to do major rebuilds, I have found portmanager to be the best tool. It just seems to work. In any case, if it were me, I would clean out the /usr/ports/distfiles directory, update your ports tree, and then update you OS. When you are finished with that fun chore, run; portmanager -u -l -y -f. Depending on the number of ports installed, it might take some time though. Obviously, you need portmanager installed first. By the way, if you know you need a distfile installed first, something like diablo-jdk or diablo-jre that require you to have the distfile all ready in the /usr/ports/distfiles directory prior to attempting to build the port, then do that prior to updating your system and running portmanager. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies, ignored or reported as Spam. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: A possibly odd upgrade question
On Wed, 04 May 2011 22:51:05 +0100 Chris Whitehouse cwhi...@onetel.com articulated: I second Jerry, portmanager is indeed a very effective tool, it's simple and thorough and probably has as good a chance of fixing ports issues as anything. Or used to, I've been trying out tinderbox so haven't used it for a year or so. If you do use portmanager there are a few tricks you can do to make it effectively unattended. However, doesn't -u -f mean rebuild all dependencies of all ports? In which case wouldn't it be just as effective and cleaner for the OP to nuke the lot and rebuild, particularly in view of the retasked purpose. Yes, from the man pages it states it will rebuild all packages and their dependencies. I simply include the l so he would have a log file available if something did go wrong. In any case, I thought it might save him some trouble rebuilding his system. There are some ports; however, that will not build correctly unless the program is first removed from the system. Obviously not a friendly concept; however, a reality. The OP would have to remove them first I suppose before doing a force rebuild. Maybe just doing a pkg_delete -adv would be a better idea. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies, ignored or reported as Spam. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ Getting the job done is no excuse for not following the rules. Corollary: Following the rules will not get the job done. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE
On Tue, May 03, 2011 at 12:11:07PM -0700, Mike Seda wrote: Hi All, When will FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE be available? I remember reading that it would be ready in May 2011. I just wanted to see if it was on schedule or not. I don't remember seeing that. Anyway, go to the FreeBSD Release Engineering web site for information. http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html jerry Thanks, Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: For My Edification
On Mon, May 02, 2011 at 06:47:11PM -0400, Louis Marrero wrote: Gentlemen, I have a number of really dumb questions that I hope you might be able to shed some light on. Although I am familiar with basic computer operation, I've been trying to understand a very experienced programmer friend that mixes Linux/Unix terminology in his vocabulary under the assumption that everyone knows the language. Being familiar only with general knowledge on the Windows XP that I use daily, I've gone on the web to find out more information on some of the terms used by this programmer, such as BSD, shell terminal, nc -u, etc. Since my friend knows that my computer is strictly MS Windows, when my friend writes down something like In a shell terminal type nc -u 10.101.97.200 . it makes me wonder what I'm missing. Here are some questions that can help my understanding: 1. I know that Windows is an OS, and Linux/Unix as well as FreeBSD are other Operating System. My very basic question is this: Is it even possible to install a second OS, like FreeBSD on an existing Windows-based computer? Yes. In fact, the machine I am currently typing on is 'dual booted' Win XP and FreeBSD. The FreeBSD Handbook covers how to do it quite well, though it might take a little studying to begin to get the picture. One note -- you need to install the MS system first and then the FreeBSD system because MS does not like to play friendly with other systems. Study the handbook first so you have a more useful idea of what things are and then ask more questions. 2. Is it possible to link my Windows laptop to a web server with Unix or FreeBSD and exercise Unix/Linux commands. If so, how is that done? I don't think I understand what you are asking here well enough to respond to this. By the way, BSD stands for Berkley Software Distribution referring to University of California at Berkley software development group which originally took the Bell Labs experiment and built it up in to a real OS and distributed it. Then there is a long soap opera of law suits and companies springing up to try and make a quick $$$buck and finally some people put a fully free version. That story has links on the FreeBSD web site too. Have Fun, jerry I'd be grateful for any information. Louis Marrero ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NVIDIA-driver-173
On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 18:18:32 -0700 Arthur Barlow arthurbar...@gmail.com articulated: Does anyone know if this will ever be supported for FreeBSD 8.x? I tried both the version in ports as well as the one directly from NVIDIA. No joy. Does anyone know of other possibilities? You might try putting the port's name in question into the body of your post. Anyway, is there a specific reason that you cannot use the latest version in the posts system, nvidia-driver-256.53_1? I believe that nVidia released a newer version last year, 270.41.06, but it is apparently not available in the ports system. You might want to check with da...@freebsd.org regarding that. All of the FreeBSD nVidia drivers are listed on: http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies, ignored or reported as Spam. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: hello
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 01:38:45PM +0200, Julian Fagir wrote: Hi, can you help me, i will freebsd 8.1 32bit downgraden to freebsd 7.1 or 7.2 as ? I think you ask on one of the regional mailing lists in your mother tongue. According to your errors (German, Dutch?), your language has a regional mailing list, just have a look at: http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html Anyway, you should define your problem more precisely and read the netiquette, probably some more conservative people will be offended by your post (name, subject, language). Huh?? The only thing wrong is missing a meaningful subject -- which can cause people to ignore the post. But, the question is quite clear, though I have no idea why [s]he wants to do that downgrade and might want to explore that before encouraging that move. jerry Regards, Julian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Hardware suggestions
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:09:41 +0100 Chris Whitehouse cwhi...@onetel.com articulated: On 26/04/2011 18:45, Jaime Kikpole wrote: On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Chris Brennanxa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: Just out of curiosity, why not rack-mounted boxed? Space issues. They'll have to either fit on a shelf in one of two rooms, depending on the outcome of some other things. Any thoughts on brand or model? If you google for low power pc you'll find some interesting machines mostly mini-itx with atom processors. The Intel Atom is Intel's line of low-power, low-cost and low-performance x86 and x86-64 microprocessors. It sounds like the OP is interested in something more substantial. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies, ignored or reported as Spam. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Modifying Sendmail's Configuration the Correct way.
On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:45:29 +0200 Ruben de Groot mai...@bzerk.org articulated: On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 03:50:16PM -0400, Alejandro Imass typed: On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Martin McCormick mar...@dc.cis.okstate.edu wrote: ? ? ? ?The /etc/mail/sendmail.cf file very clearly tells one not to edit it directly so I edited the Hey Martin, this might not be the exact answer you're looking for but I despise sendmail but *love* FreeBSD so here are my $0.02: 1) edit your /etc/rc.conf sendmail_enable=NO sendmail_submit_enable=NO sendmail_outbound_enable=NO sendmail_msp_queue_enable=NO postfix_enable=YES 2) cd /usr/ports/mail/postfix make install clean For crying out loud, he's asking a question about sendmail configuration. If someone asks you directions to the airport, and you hate flying, do you point them to the railway station? For Christ's sake, considering how far off the beaten path so many of these postings get, I consider that replay appropriate. In any case, the poster did reply to the OPs question regarding Sendmail -- he told him how to remove it from his system and install Postfix. A solution that would permanently eliminate the Sendmail configuration problem. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to be an imap Client?
On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 23:22:35 -0700 per...@pluto.rain.com per...@pluto.rain.com articulated: Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:01:28 -0500 Martin McCormick mar...@dc.cis.okstate.edu articulated: ... our entire network is on the blacklist ... Why are you blacklisted? It seems correcting that problem would be my first priority. Being a university, okstate.edu has students, most of whom are not in the CIS department or in any way under control of the CIS department's sysadmin. Need I say more? Actually yes. Ignoring for a moment the reply you sent me directly, conveniently bypassing the group forum, are you implying that these students are using the University's web mail for possible illegal actions and no one is policing that action? -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ It's not the fall that kills you, it's the landing. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to be an imap Client?
On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 23:21:25 +1000 (EST) Ian Smith smi...@nimnet.asn.au articulated: On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 07:34:32 -0400 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 23:22:35 -0700 per...@pluto.rain.com per...@pluto.rain.com articulated: Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:01:28 -0500 Martin McCormick mar...@dc.cis.okstate.edu articulated: ... our entire network is on the blacklist ... Why are you blacklisted? It seems correcting that problem would be my first priority. Being a university, okstate.edu has students, most of whom are not in the CIS department or in any way under control of the CIS department's sysadmin. Need I say more? Actually yes. Ignoring for a moment the reply you sent me directly, conveniently bypassing the group forum, perry's message, like this one, was likely posted to you, cc the list. That's long been customary on freebsd lists, even this 'kindergarten' one; noone 'conveniently bypassed' anything. If you don't like private copies, sent as a courtesy, just delete them and move on. Wrong, it was sent directly, not CC'd. As per my stated policy, it was answered/referred to on the list forum. I am seriously considering changing that policy to also include reporting them as Spam. The last thing we need is people here to troll on behalf of M$ stamping their feet, demanding we change the way we've always used these lists. You are referring to the way you have always done things. See previously posted comments on CC'ing and you will readily find that it is not a universally accepted method. I will admit that it is mostly the preferred method of narcissists. are you implying that these students are using the University's web mail for possible illegal actions and no one is policing that action? Ah Jerry, good to see you end your admonition with a little humour! cheers, ian He only does it to annoy, because he knows it teases -- Lewis Carroll No humor intended. I have read another post that might also describe why the network is being blacklisted. I firmly believe that a diligent SA (note the word diligent) could attempt to correct this problem. From past experience, those who are blacklisted are so listed due to their own fault and for the protection of others. Attempting to bypass such a listing is a favorite of Spammers and their ilk; as well as those who are attempting a thief of service as per the conditions stated by the IPs owner. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies, ignored and/or rerported as Spam. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to be an imap Client?
On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:01:28 -0500 Martin McCormick mar...@dc.cis.okstate.edu articulated: I do, however, need to use imap to send messages from this system through our Microsoft Exchange gateway because some systems use DNSBL and our entire network is on the blacklist so one must send from the gateway which, I guess, must be whitlisted. Why are you blacklisted? It seems correcting that problem would be my first priority. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ Never tell a lie unless it is absolutely convenient. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Question : Developing/Making FreeBSD derivative.
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 06:56:53AM -0700, Stefan N wrote: Hi Christer, As there are many parts of the source code(from bin,cddl,contrib..usr.sbin), which part(s) of source code do I need to modify? That is a strange question. I guess the answer is 'Yes' It depends on what you want to be changed in your new version. For example, I would guess that you would take an interest in making your own user environment/interface. Well, that would involve doing stuff from X11 most likely and most probably more of configuration changes than code changes. Then there is a whole long list of things people want added/fixed/ modified on the system. You might want to check that out for ideas. Probably you need to learn a lot more about the existing system before you go to making a custom version. jerry Regards, Stefanus From: Christer Solskogen christer.solsko...@gmail.com To: Stefan N stefanbsd...@yahoo.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 7:51:50 PM Subject: Re: Question : Developing/Making FreeBSD derivative. On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 6:44 AM, Stefan N stefanbsd...@yahoo.com wrote: My name is Stefan and I am newbie with FreeBSD but I'm interested to learn more about FreeBSD . I am keen to know and learn more on the process to make a new BSD's derivative/fork from FreeBSD ? You change the source code and compile How is the method for customizing/remastering FreeBSD ? The most interesting part is that if we could make the new fork of FreeBSD with its own uname. If I could make my own BSD derivative and used StefanBSD as its uname, it would be awesome. The method is really simple, actually. You change the source code and compile. Good luck! -- chs ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Stopping Less from creating Log Files
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 11:36:37AM -0500, Martin McCormick wrote: This is a minor problem but I use more to read Email messages from nmh. If one forgets what screen one is in, it is possible to start typing and create a log file of the message in which ever mailbox directory one is reading out of. The man page for more is actually linked to less even though FreeBSD has /usr/bin/more and less. I even tried in the .mh_profile to call more with -Oo/dev/null but if you hit a key, the logfile prompt appears and any subsequent key strokes are part of the new file name. I think 'more' is just a link to 'less' anyway. The binaries are the same according to dif and cmp. (not what you were asking, but...) jerry This really is only a minor nuisance because it creates junk files that then have to be removed from the directory. So, if there is a way to make more or less not write anything, it would be more or less appreciated. Many thanks in advance. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GEOM warning in dmesg
On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 19:09:22 +0200 Polytropon free...@edvax.de articulated: On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 15:46:48 +0100, Jamie Paul Griffin ja...@gnix.co.uk wrote: Hi everyone I have just installed FreeBSD 8.2 RELEASE amd64 onto my new Lenovo ThinkCentre and i'm dual-booting FreeBSD with Windows which was preinstalled. When the system boots i see the message shown below in dmesg which relates to the partitions on the FreeBSD slice. So far i have not experienced any problems with using the system and it does boot into the OS ok. but i don't know if there's a problem here that i need to fix or if it's a warning i can ignore because i don't know what it means. i am hoping someone can help me and explain what it is. The message indicates that there is a discrepancy between reported values (BIOS vs. disk) about the disk geometry. Here is the text: GEOM: ad8: partition 4 does not start on a track boundary. GEOM: ad8: partition 4 does not end on a track boundary. GEOM: ad8: partition 3 does not start on a track boundary. GEOM: ad8: partition 3 does not end on a track boundary. GEOM: ad8: partition 2 does not start on a track boundary. GEOM: ad8: partition 2 does not end on a track boundary. GEOM: ad8: partition 1 does not start on a track boundary. GEOM: ad8: partition 1 does not end on a track boundary. Using some google, there are the following things you could read: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=9105 http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=9524 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2009-March/004830.html http://koitsu.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/testing-out-freebsd-8-0-rc1/ There are explainations and solutions. I hope it will help. But as I said, I'm quite sure you can ignore the messages as they do not affect the system. I had a disk two years ago that caused FBSD to spew the same nonsense. I downloaded FreeDOS http://www.freedos.org/, created a CD then proceeded to removed all of the partition information from the disk. I then recreated the partition format I wanted, rebooted and formatted the drive. Now, when I installed FBSD there were no error messages. I don't know if that will help you or not. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ Give me enough medals, and I'll win any war. Napoleon ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: graphical representation of `du`
On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 08:34:42PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: 2011/4/6 Peter Vereshagin pe...@vereshagin.org: Again, why don't you guys just use perl to provide a graphical du? I believe perl is just present on every freebsd machine where graphical du is needed. Why on Earth would you use Perl when a simple awk script will do??? Why on earth would you cloud things up with AWK when a simple Perl script would do it?! jerry Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Place to install library of shell functions
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 05:23:47PM +0200, Michael Grünewald wrote: Dear FreeBSD users, today I come to you with what seems to be somehow pedantic question: where is the best place to install libraries of shell functions. I read hier(4) carefully and it seems the correct place for this would be somewhere under `/usr/local/share': share/architecture-independent files I would go with /usr/local/lib. jerry On the base systems, many macros (make templates and groff macros) are actually installed under /usr/share. However, the only library of shell functions I am aware of is `/etc/rc.subr', that landed on this funny location, probably to be pretty sure that this library is on the same filesystem as the scripts under /etc/rc.d. Several of the ports install shell scripts under `/usr/local/lib' that hier(4) devotes to ``shared and archive ar(1)-type libraries''. These shell scripts are: find /usr/local/lib -name '*.sh' /usr/local/lib/tk8.5/tkConfig.sh /usr/local/lib/seamonkey/run-mozilla.sh /usr/local/lib/libxul/run-mozilla.sh /usr/local/lib/rpm/convertrpmrc.sh /usr/local/lib/rpm/find-lang.sh /usr/local/lib/rpm/getpo.sh /usr/local/lib/rpm/u_pkg.sh /usr/local/lib/rpm/vpkg-provides.sh /usr/local/lib/rpm/vpkg-provides2.sh /usr/local/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh /usr/local/lib/tcl8.5/tclConfig.sh /usr/local/lib/thunderbird/run-mozilla.sh /usr/local/lib/llvm-gcc-2.8/gcc/x86_64-portbld-freebsd8.2/4.2.1/install-tools/fixinc.sh Two files (the `/usr/local/lib/tcl8.5/tclConfig.sh' one and the `s/tcl/tk/g' one) are actually shell script libraries (defining a bunch of variables), and all the others are ancillary scripts, that would maybe better fit in `/usr/local/libexec'. So, practical experience does not really second my a priori that these files sould go under the `share' hierarchy and I would like to have your opinion on this question. -- Best Regards, Michael ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Place to install library of shell functions
On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 12:09:40 -0400 mikel king mikel.k...@olivent.com articulated: For the bash library (http://jafdip.com/?p=537) we choose /usr/local/lib. This just seems to be the most logical place for this sort of thing. Interestingly enough, WOT gives that URL a poor rating. http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/jafdip.com -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
