Re: OT - help w configure, make, etc.
On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 07:25:10PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: just few months and this will be general unix support list for everybody. how about name change? and here we go again ... yes. Into general mess of everything off topic being ok because you/others only want to help people The most off-topic stuff on this list lately has been your complaining about stuff being off-topic. On the other hand, using make to grow something running under FreeBSD is about as on-topic as one can get. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cronjob
On Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 06:31:57PM +0400, Peter Andreev wrote: may be this solution will help you: * * 31 jan,mar,may,jul,aug,oct,dec * * * 30 apr,jun,sep,nov * * * 28 feb * or: * * 31 1/2 * * * 30 4/2 * * * 28 2 * Don't forget leapyear. jerry 2009/6/8 Jos Chrispijn j...@webrz.net I would like to execute a script on every last day of the month in my crontab. Can someone tell me how I should solve that as it doesn't know which month day is the last day of the month? Solving this in the script to be executed is no option. Thanks, Jos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What server hardware are you buying from the big companies these days?
On Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 11:56:35AM -0600, ericr wrote: Hi, I need to buy some new servers, and mgmt has decreed that we get them from someplace which will provide service contracts with on-site h/w suppport, which means HP, Dell, Sun, IBM, etc. Our group has a lot of Dells from Poweredge 650-s to 2950-s and some other groups in our department also run 46xx and some other things. They have been successful and reliable. We have also run a few HP servers with FreeBSD with no major problems, though one came with a DOA motherboard. But they came out and replaced it right away. jerry Has anyone bought servers from one of the big manufacturers lately and had good luck with them? It seems hard to get them to tell you what controllers and chipsets they're using in servers, to compare against the supported hardware list. What I'm looking for isn't all that exotic: rack mountable RAID-5 controller 4-6 or more disks (hot swappable would be nice, but not mandatory) dual power supplies (hot swappable would be nice, but not mandatory) CDROM 2 ethernet ports some RAM a video card an Intel or AMD CPU - single, two CPU, or multicore doesn't really matter. and the all-important onsite service. These things need to be pretty reliable, both of the data centers they're going into are a couple of hours from my house, so I don't want a dead power supply to take out the server. We've used SuperMicro's in the past, and they've been wildly variable. Some of them have run ok for years, some died within weeks, and kept dying no matter what parts we put in. (yes, I checked the power, it was clean. My guess is just a bad run of motherboards). I've got 3 servers that have never been able to stay up for more than a couple of days, we don't even use them. Regardless, any one have suggestions on what current models of servers are out there that run? Thanks! - ericr ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 05:20:24PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: Er, yeah, i think man pages are the best solution too, and I apologise for appearing to look down on them. I can't *stand* info manuals, they're clunky and bloated. Chris PS Does _anyone_ prefer info manuals, apart from Stallman? Well, man pages are good at formally documenting the how of use, but they often are not so helpful on the why and wherefor of use. Sometimes info manuals add a little for that. But, that is more of a content issue than a form issue. Man pages could easily be more forthcoming on the why and wherefor concepts. jerry -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 04:17:43PM -0400, Robert Huff wrote: Wojciech Puchar writes: Well, man pages are good at formally documenting the how of use, but they often are not so helpful on the why and wherefor of use. for me it's exactly for this - to know how and why to use. It is important to understand man is a _reference_, not a _tutorial_. It's great if you need to refresh your memory of the Yes, I know. That is why some other additional for is also useful. I don't really propose changing man, but do often wish for some other form. Info does that a little, but still is often inadequate for some comprehension of the why and wherefor of something that I have never mucked with. I am not sure a 'tutorial' is it either because they tend to take a person through a couple of particular tasks using the item in question, but still not discuss much of the why and wherefor. jerry q flag, or check for exit codes, or check the order of parameters to the _fillintheblank() library call. But if you're trying to figure out how to do X, or even how to do X correctly using this object ... many of the pages can leave you with the feeling you're stupider than you actually are. Being a tutorial may not be what man was designed for. But until there's a designated and widely promoted text-only replacement it will be used as one. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 11:16:05PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:00:06 -0400, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: Yes, I know. That is why some other additional for is also useful. I don't really propose changing man, but do often wish for some other form. Many programs contain an EXAMPLES section in the man page. Further documentation often is supplied in /usr/local/share/doc and /usr/local/share/examples - available locally. Something that is helpful in understanding the formal language of the man page, and should be done more. But it is not quite a why and wherefor. jerry -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 12:06:55AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: I am not sure a 'tutorial' is it either because they tend to take a person through a couple of particular tasks using the item in question, but still not discuss much of the why and wherefor. What's wrong in FreeBSD handbook and many different paper books available about unix? Actually not that many, but still there are available about design of unix. FreeBSD is really much more than the base OS. Even though it is divided in to base and ports, it is really all of them together. jerry There is no need for FreeBSD book as long as books about unix exists, and there is FreeBSD handbook. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open_Source
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 05:59:51PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
I believe people can get more experience in general with open source
technologies than they can with closed source. The reason is simple:
I can look at the code. I can study it. I can see what
${APPLICATION} is doing, and how the developer designed it. This, in
itself, makes me better at what I do, and better at troubleshooting my
own code.
I would add - with Open Source add it's far smaller (actually close to
zero) probability that it doesn't do anything except it's supposed to do.
I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for
other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc.
YES!This is the biggest of the three things I have against MS
and one of the main reasons for using FreeBSD and other Open Source
software as much as possible.
jerry
(ps. The other two are the quality of MS systems and MS business practices)
If anyone would do this, soon someone else would see it because source
code is available for everybody.
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Re: Open_Source
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:44:46PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc. YES!This is the biggest of the three things I have against MS and one of the main reasons for using FreeBSD and other Open Source software as much as possible. But i'm not agains micro-soft. If someone want to pay and be controlled - his problem. Today micro-soft doesn't even hide with this!! So it's clear - you pay big brother and he does well the job he's paid for! I am, -- on my machines. What someone else does is there problem unless it spreads to my stuff. (ps. The other two are the quality of MS systems and MS business practices) I didn't mean microsoft but any commercial software. I know, but I picked that as my example. jerry Actually i just switched from opera to firefox for similar reasons. I DO NOT say that opera doing such things, but i'm not sure it does not. Every minute or so when i use opera is starts lots of disk I/O and slows down. It do so no matter if i'm loading some pages or do just nothing. It wasn't happening with older versions, but with that opera-9.64.20090302 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What is this forum for?
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:43:29PM +0100, RW wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2009 23:38:46 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: i repeated what i read recently about ICE ON ARCTIC SEA melting that will flood. Even knowledge from primary school physics and no single calculation is enough to prove that water level will not change at all. Even for you this is a new low. When you learned about Archimedes principle did they not teach you about thermal expansion - or did you just assume that as the ice melts everything remains at the same temperature. And, what about the huge amount of water that is currently sequestered in ice above sea level - on 'dry' land? Where will it go? jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Producing Bad Dumps
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 09:52:30AM -0500, Martin McCormick wrote: I use the following flags to create a level 0 dump: dump 0ufaL /home/backups/backup /dev/DISKPARTITION The dump appears to run just fine. /home/backups/backup is a pipe to a remote system that fills a regular file from the pipe. Everything seems to run well at the time and the dump file has gigabytes of data in it. I can restore many files from it and all seems well. Today, I practiced restoring a whole system from one of these dumps and used the following command: restore -u -fx FILENAME It prompted for the volume number which is 1 (100% of the dump) and then I entered none when prompted for the next volume. That was about an hour ago and it is still spewing out the names of thousands of files, many of them OS-related such as /usr/src/xx which were not being modified or created at the time so if any files should be there, these should. Probably you did not want the -x or -u, but instead wanted to do cd /MOUNTED_EMPTY_PARTITION restore -rf DUMPFILENAME But, I am not sure because it is hard to understand why you chose -xu. jerry Any idea as to what I did wrong? At this point, it is not certain whether the dump is bad or the restore is bad, but it isn't exactly confidence-en spiring if the system in question was to melt. No file systems filled up and the pipe isn't taken down until the dump has finished, at least that is what I believe to be the case. Any suggestions are welcome. Actually, for this test, I pretended that a directory on the system called scratch is / so I am just testing the ability to restore what should be everything under / before actually trying this on the real / because after that, you must rebuild the system from CDROM for a proper test. Thank you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Producing Bad Dumps
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 12:17:33PM -0500, Martin McCormick wrote: Jerry McAllister writes: Probably you did not want the -x or -u, but instead wanted to do cd /MOUNTED_EMPTY_PARTITION restore -rf DUMPFILENAME That would be the ideal command. Per haps there is a better approach so I am all ears as the saying goes. I am trying to set up a procedure so that we can take another server, if necessary, format the drive with FreeBSD and then restore the contents of a dead server to this drive and have it ready to run. Yes, you would want to use restore -r for that. Of course, dd is great if both drives are the same size but usually, the only thing both servers have in common is they are both i86 systems and the goal is to try to get a platform with a melted hard drive or mother board back on line. The holy grail is a clone operation that can be documented so that a worker of reasonable knowledge can do it successfully. You don't really want to use dd for that, partly for the reason that you give and partly because it doesn't allow the [new] system to do things such as assign inodes and space efficiently. So, you need all the files, but they probably will not occupy a disk that looks like the original one. In that respect, tar does well but trashes special files like /dev But, I am not sure because it is hard to understand why you chose -xu. The thought was that -u unlinks existing files so one could write the restore right over the minimal system that was there. -x was to extract / in order to get the entire root file system. Well, you don't really want to create a minimal system on the device if you don't have to. You just want to slice (fdisk), partition(bsdlabel) and newfs it (using either sysinstall or manually fdisk, bsdlabel and newfs from a fixit) and then use a fixit CD to write the dump to the device with restore -r. That might be a problem if you are trying to read the dump from a remote storage. I don't know if the fixit has enough stuff to do that - it might. In that case, you might be better off having a spare drive you can plug in and build that minimal system on and then use it to build the full system and repopulate it from the remote dump file with restore -r. Actually, I think if you use restore -r it will behave OK writing over existing files. All the warning about it needing to be a clean file system is mostly so you won't overwrite something you do not want to. But, it leaves the possible problem that some vestigial stuff will be left around from the minimal install you overwrite with files you really don't want to be left around - eg files it has that are not duplicated in the dump so it ignores them and leaves them there. Try it out that way. Just use restore -rf and see how it handles it. Again, the idea is to recover a FreeBSD system as quickly as possible and get it back to the patch level and general operating conditions it was originally in before the hardware that supported it died. If you made your own 'spare' disk that could be plugged in, you could script rebuilding the new disk and restoring the dump. You might have to tinker a bit.We used to have a complete setup that built the disk and then restored from a backup that we distributed. It did the disk slicing, then asked if it was a new install or if a restore from backup was desired and did it. That took a lot of writing in C and it needs to be rewritten since FreeBSD 4. But, it is readily doable. Have fun, jerry Again, many thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:12:16AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: FreeBSD developers know enough to avoid speaking 'on behalf' of anyone, unless they are explicitly asked to do so and it makes sense. We usually just point the users gently towards an appropriate resource: a webpage, a mailing list, or a team of more knowledgeable folks, etc. Boris did the right thing IMO by pointing at the donations pages. Two of Exactly. but it for sure wasn't what original sponsoring offer wanted. He wanted banner/logo advert on mine webpage. a) We generally accept all donations, regardless of how small they are. Even donations of a single RAM chip for nearly obsolete platforms are welcome and we try to find someone who will make good use of it. But you don't put advert for this. As you said - there is separate webpage for listing sponsors, and that's excellent. b) The donations team acts as a gateway for incoming stuff, and they have enough experience to discern genuine offers for a donation from spammy please link to my personal web site and I will make you rich scamming schemes. So what's wrong with my answer for such spammy offer? I think what most persons are reacting to are two things. 1: Many (note all) of your posts in response to questions carry what we might call a snippy, kind of put down attitude toward the questioner. Even when you are quite correct in information and criticism, it is not received well if you also say something that appears to ridicule the OP and/or other posters. This is where I wonder if it is a language issue. Do you realize that you are jamming people in the manner of your posts? Take care of people's sensitivities when you post. When in doubt about how something might be received, then don't put in those words - just stick to the plain and dull technical information. 2: Although I have seen a number of valuable responses posted under your address (eg presumably helpfully posted by you), sometimes you seem to jump in to a question or thread when you really do not know the answer or really do not have anything to add. This makes the forum look foolish and it also tends to discourage those who have the answer or can make some meaningful contribution from getting in to the foray. They do not have the time or inclination to get in to a flame war. We all have read a question wrong or misunderstood it and made a midguided response. I certainly have gritted my teeth when reading some responses I made as they came back from the list server. But you seem to have a penchant for making posts that have a decided appearance of being just for the sake of saying something rather than making a positive contribution to the topic of the OP. So, while it is true that you have the right and freedom to post on this unmoderated list, the adult thing to do is to take responsibility for yourself, to think about the significance and quality of your post before sending it off. Ask the question, 'does it improve the situation or will it just annoy people and contribute nothing of technical value'. Then make the choice in a manner that will improve the quality of the exchange. Remember that we all screw up, some of us more often than most, but none of us need our noses rubbed in it or to be jeered at. Thank you, jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What is this forum for?
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 04:54:53PM -0400, Bill Moran wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2009 14:52:05 -0500 Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote: Is this forum intended to ask specific type questions and hope to get specific and relevant answers? Or, is it a blog to generalize, theorize, banter, etc. about anything and everything? [snip] Stop whining. This list has been around of a LNG time. The rules haven't changed in the 10 years since I've been subscribed, and the list works 99% of the time. The few days a month where the discussion goes off-topic and turns into a flame war _are_ annoying, but not significantly distracting in the grand scheme of things. You got it. A voice from experience. This has also been my experience for the last about a dozen years I have been on. Geez, has it been that long. I'm getting old -- or is that OT... :-P jerry -Bill ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What is this forum for?
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:01:39PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: This list has been around of a LNG time. The rules haven't changed in the 10 years since I've been subscribed, and the list works 99% of the time. But there are more and more new users. It will not work that way another 10 years. The sky is falling! Yes, Chicken Little. Do they have that story in Poland? I don't remember seeing it when I was there, but then, I wasn't looking at children's books at the time. jerry The few days a month where the discussion goes off-topic and turns into a flame war _are_ annoying, but not significantly distracting in the grand It will be 30 days/month soon. Not flamewars, but off-topic noise. Soon it will turn into KDE/CUPS/PHP/MYSQL/(add 100 other apps here) support. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:00:09PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Wojciech Puchar wrote: How about it? Only STRICT RULES keep things healthy and long lived. I wonder what makes you think you have the right to decide for all? Why you think so? I don't mean myself as definer of that rules. FreeBSD owners should start moderation and define rules. What they do is their decision. Mostly, the people who have broad and deep enough knowledge of the system are busy and don't have time to waste moderating a list. jerry It's just my opinion, time will show if i am right if they will not do this, and this list turn to 1% on topic. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:21:19PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: mainstream, or because i have opinion at all, i just respond normally. Wojtek - I also think you have the capacity to help and you often do. But don't pretend to be speaking for the FreeBSD team because you are doing reread my posts. i didn't speak for them and i said that i'm not them. i AS USUAL tell what i think. And YOU just don't accept this because it's completely different point of view than yours. You - like most people - react with fear/aggression when hearing/reading something completely agains the knowledge you've been put to the brain for years. Who is right doesn't matter at all that cases. I understand this because is natural reaction, often not fully conscious. As you - and few other people - can not use arguments just attacks, it make the list polluted. Sorry to wade in to this, but the reality has been and is just the oposite. It is m. Puchar who has been making reactionary responses and somewhat unkind ones at that.Is it a language issue? Or is it a lack in self awareness/examination? jerry And - back to that funny sponsor - I can only do favour sending them out. Can't you see it's semi-automatic posts to whatever he found, because he just want to advertise yourself and his webpage improvement services? (improvement==adding tons of flash, javas...t etc.) He wanted his banner on FreeBSD site for 100$ Or maybe i'm wrong - if so, please Core Team to put our little company's link on my page and i will send 100$ today. Don't forget to give me account number. Even more - i will find 10 friends to do the same. Just 10 links with small letters ;) and 1000$ is yours. The trick of doing ANY business, and non-profit work is to NOT TAKE EVERY CRAP, just because you see money. I'm sure you already know it in your business, so why can't you see this here? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 02:38:46PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: Of course - ban it! Just my 2c... Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why I no longer use FreeBSD. Just about everything in these mailing lists turns If you stopped using FreeBSD BECAUSE OF FORUM, congratulations ;) This means that OS functionality is not important for you at all! Well, that certainly doesn't follow. Actually, that one does. If you use FreeBSD because of the OS functionality/reliability, etc then trashy noise on the questions list wouldn't make a difference in your choice. If you stop using it because you don't like the noise, then functionality is not your high priority.Maybe saying 'at all' is over the top.But, anyway, the noise is getting tiresome - even mine. jerry -- www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Reading warnings when installing multiple ports
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 03:05:38PM +0200, Mel Flynn wrote: On Saturday 16 May 2009 21:21:54 Jerry McAllister wrote: Sometimes I get a question in the middle of an install that I do not know how to answer and it is an awfully inconvenient time to have to start scrounging for information.Having a commannd that would display all those things and maybe some related information or pointers to information for making an intelligent response - before starting the make - would be very helpful. Do you have specific examples? Cause I can't think of anything that falls under your description. Hello All, I had a recent experience with editors/openoffice.org-2. Based on past experience I know that the compile would take a few hours. I started make and left to do some chores. When I returned I discovered that the program had aborted as I did not have java installed and had to download a patch from the Sun website. This can and will not ever be fixed, because it's a legal and not a technical issue. Once you know this, you know to install diablio-jdk first, which takes 5-10 minutes pending download speed. Yes, I know it is a legal/license issue at Sun and I sort of know to do it now, having installed OO a couple of times. But, the point was and is, it would help people if the information about having to do it would come up right at the first, so a person could have it taken care of instead of starting an install which one knows will take hours so leaves to do something else and comes back and finds the install stopped hours ago because of something that could have and should have been taken care of before actually starting the install. JDK's should really set IS_INTERACTIVE if distfiles that are not available cannot be downloaded without user intervention (MAINTAINER cc'd because of this). This would signal portmaster to present you with a message before starting the build and letting you go about your business. If your ports management software does not recurs through all configuration dialogs before starting the build, you're not using the right tool for the job. Some variation of this, often involving entering a 'y' or 'n' at some point in the middle of an install that could have been done causing an environmental variable or some such to be set ahead of time exists in a number of ports I have installed. It is annoying to come back from a bunch of tiring meetings only to see that an install that could be finished has several more hours to run because it was waiting all that time for a y or n. This is where -DBATCH comes in. It silences all those. The ones that aren't silenced and aren't legal issues, should be considered bugs. Various ports management tools also support automatic answer features. Without ports management software you can always run yes|make -DBATCH. That is one thing to do, but, the answer is not absolutely always 'y'. Advanced information is still desirable. jerry -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Backing up FreeBSD and other Unix systems securely
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 09:12:57AM -0700, Kelly Jones wrote:
I tried using Mozy for backups because they offer unlimited space, but
1) they don't support FreeBSD, 2) they encrypt file contents, but NOT
file names, and 3) they don't do true versioned backups. Easy
workaround for 1): rsync to a Mac/Windows and backup from there, but
2) and 3) are more difficult.
Is there any possibility of using your own media locally - such as
tape or a large USB attached disk?If security is such a primary
concern, I can't see sending the data to that type of offsite thing.
Get a couple of large USB SATAs and use dump(8) to back the stuff up
on them.Write them encrypted if you need.
jerry
My plan:
% Use dd if=/dev/random of=mykey to create a random blowfish key
% Blowfish encrypt mykey with a passphrase only I know. Backup the
encrypted blowfish key to a remote host.
% Keep track of when I last ran the backup program (touch
/some/path/timestamp at start of run) and only backup files that've
been modified more recently (find / -newer /some/path/timestamp).
% To backup foo.txt, first bzip2 it and encrypt w/ my blowfish key.
% Then, take the sha1 hash of the bzip'd/encrypted file, and backup
foo.txt to remotehost:/some/path/{sha1 hash}.
% To avoid too many files in one dir, I may backup
b0d0a7da15d5eb94ac76ac4fd81fe6d4fa8e4593 to
remotehost:/some/path/b0/d0/a7/b0d0a7da15d5eb94ac76ac4fd81fe6d4fa8e4593
for example.
% In an SQLite3 db, record the filename I'm backing up, its
timestamp, and its bzip'd/encrypted hash. Store an encrypted copy of
the db on the remote server.
I like this plan because it does versioned backups, and doesn't backup
identical files twice. I dislike it because I lose Mozy's unlimited
disk space.
Questions:
% Does this plan seem secure and reasonable?
% Will backing up the 0-byte file this way make it easy to guess my
blowfish key?
% Is there software that already does this?
% Can this plan be improved?
% Does anyone offer unlimited space for Unix backups?
(safesnaps.com)
% Any general thoughts/comments on this plan?
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Re: Reading warnings when installing multiple ports
On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 11:24:42AM +0200, Mel Flynn wrote: On Friday 15 May 2009 19:26:00 mfv wrote: On Tuesday 12 May 2009 13:53:35 Mel Flynn wrote: On Monday 11 May 2009 15:21:24 Jerry McAllister wrote: But, I very often wish there was a convenient way to see some of those messages and especially messages about things one has to do during the install, such as manually installing something or getting some license thing handled, before I start the port install. Sometimes I get a question in the middle of an install that I do not know how to answer and it is an awfully inconvenient time to have to start scrounging for information.Having a commannd that would display all those things and maybe some related information or pointers to information for making an intelligent response - before starting the make - would be very helpful. Do you have specific examples? Cause I can't think of anything that falls under your description. Hello All, I had a recent experience with editors/openoffice.org-2. Based on past experience I know that the compile would take a few hours. I started make and left to do some chores. When I returned I discovered that the program had aborted as I did not have java installed and had to download a patch from the Sun website. This can and will not ever be fixed, because it's a legal and not a technical issue. Once you know this, you know to install diablio-jdk first, which takes 5-10 minutes pending download speed. Yes, I know it is a legal/license issue at Sun and I sort of know to do it now, having installed OO a couple of times. But, the point was and is, it would help people if the information about having to do it would come up right at the first, so a person could have it taken care of instead of starting an install which one knows will take hours so leaves to do something else and comes back and finds the install stopped hours ago because of something that could have and should have been taken care of before actually starting the install. Some variation of this, often involving entering a 'y' or 'n' at some point in the middle of an install that could have been done causing an environmental variable or some such to be set ahead of time exists in a number of ports I have installed. It is annoying to come back from a bunch of tiring meetings only to see that an install that could be finished has several more hours to run because it was waiting all that time for a y or n. Building that improvement into ports installs and some additional why and wherefor information in the pkg-desc file or some other useful and readily available place would help the ports system. Of course, it would still be necessary to depend on the port maintainer to provide these accurately and completely. jerry -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Welcome to the freebsd-questions mailing list
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 08:33:44PM +0530, Shakil Khan wrote: Hi, Can anyone let me know how can I download FreeBSD kernel source code. I am on Linux and am not able to download using CVS. Can someone point me exactly and also if some links are available where I can download tar ball of FreeBSD kernek source code. My suggestion would be to download the latest ISO and install it on a machine with full source. Then you will have kernel and everything to make a FreeBSD including the correct compilers and libraries. Kernel is really dealt with differently in FreeBSD than in Linux. Although there is a kernel, it is intimately part of the whole operating system, not a kernel which someone grabs makes up a separate distribution with. jerry Regards ~Korikov ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Installing Unix
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 04:52:15PM +0100, Ese Oronsaye wrote: Hi I am a newbie to Unix with no experience in installing unix operating system. Have been through Download Freebsd but not quite sure what I should download. What is ISO and Distribution not quite sure which I should download. Can anyone help me with this. Well, some of this is covered well in the FreeBSD Handbook and some other documents that are all available online starting at the http://www.freebsd.org/ web site. Even after that it can be a little confusing at first about how to find just which ISO you want to download. First determine what is the highest level RELEASE available. At the beginning, do not worry about -STABLE and -CURRENT. At the moment, the latest RELEASE is 7.2 Next determine the hardware you want to install on. That will probably be either i386 for regular 32 bit or AMD64 for 64 bit machines, though there are other possibilities. The next thing to do is to familiarize yourself with the site for downloading the ISOs. Just do an anonymous ftp in and look around. ftp toftp.freebsd.org and log in as anonymous Use your email address as a password. You can do an 'ls' in each of the directories you enter to see what is there. In that first directory you will see only one item -- the pub directory. So, cd to it. Do; cd pub In that directory you will see there is only the FreeBSD directory so cd to that. Do: cd FreeBSDnote that it is case sensitive so cd freebsd won't work. In the FreeBSD directory, when you do an ls you will see lots of stuff including files, directories and links. You can look at these things but you will eventually want to cd to 'releases' and then to 'i386' or to 'amd64' Then cd to 'ISO-IMAGES' and finally to '7.2' In that directory you will see the .iso files you want to download. If your internet connection is good enough, then you only need to download the disc1.iso file and burn it to CD. You may also want to download the CHECKSUM.MD5 and use that to verify the good/clean transmission of the .iso file. After that you are ready to move on to the installation - although you should read and learn about it so you know what you want to do. jerry Regards Ese ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Reformatting external harddrive
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 01:41:37PM -0400, Daniel Underwood wrote: Thanks for all the advice. This evening, when I get home to work, I will try these suggestions. I have no idea why there is more than 1 partition on this disk. I must have inadvertently created multiple partitions when I was struggling to reformat this disk in linux. Every time I tried to fdisk (or perhaps it was mkfs.ext3) on in linux, I got errors about a bad superblock (which I understand somehow relates to the journaling mechanism of ext3). According to the fdisk output you include, there is only 1 slice (called primary partition in MS land) being used on the disk. It has about 305242 MegaBytes which seems to be what you are looking for. It is possible to have up to 4 slices (primary partitions) on a disk. The fdisk output shows one being used and the other three empty and not being used.So, you are all fine. Ignore those bogus messages about BIOS and partitions not in cyl 1, etc. They are not relevant. You can now either use bsdlabel to create partitions within that slice or just use the slice as is. In either case, you have to newfs the unit to create a filesystem in it so you can mount it and write/read it. If you use it as is without creating partitions, then do: newfs /dev/da0s1 If you create one single partition within that slice - say a: for example then the newfs would be: newfs /dev/da0s1a If you create partitions, lets say a:, d: and e: then do: newfs /dev/da0s1a newfs /dev/da0s1d newfs /dev/da0s1e In any case, to not use partition c: and for sanity's sake avoid b: .c: is reserved to describe the whole slice and, by convention, b: is used for swap though that is not required. Some people suggest avoiding a: because it is most often a bootable partition. It is not required either, but it can reduce confusion to avoid it in non-bootable slices/disks. If your backups are small enough so more than one full dump can fit on the disk, then I suggest slicing and partitioning so that each full dump series can have its own partition. It is not a requirement. It is just easier to keep track of on those groggy odd hours. jerry *** Working on device /dev/da0 *** parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: cylinders=38913 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1 parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: cylinders=38913 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) Media sector size is 512 Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 Information from DOS bootblock is: The data for partition 1 is: sysid 165 (0xa5),(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) start 63, size 625137282 (305242 Meg), flag 80 (active) beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1; end: cyl 0/ head 254/ sector 63 The data for partition 2 is: UNUSED The data for partition 3 is: UNUSED The data for partition 4 is: UNUSED ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Reading warnings when installing multiple ports
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 04:49:27PM -0700, Kelly Jones wrote: I often use make -DBATCH install to install ports. Problem: many ports spew out a warning/todo message after you install them (eg, you must manually create an x user or something). Since ports install recursively, I miss most of these messages. Can I tell ports to store these messages for me somewhere? Obviously, I can make -DBATCH install /tmp/outfile, but that'll log all the install, test, etc commands that I don't want to see: I just want to see the warnings at the end of each install. Check out script(1) It is not perfect, but it will put a copy of everything in and out in to a file that you can peruse later. There may be other ways, but this is easy. jerry -- We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: howto sidestep sysinstall during installation
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 03:45:03PM +0930, Daniel O'Connor wrote: On Mon, 11 May 2009, Saifi Khan wrote: Is there a way to sidestep the sysinstall during the installation process, beyond selecting the 'location' ? i'm using FreeBSD 8.0 200905 i386 snapshot DVD and looking for an approach to drive the entire installation from the Fixit# command line console. i'm a experienced Gentoo Linux user. Any suggestions, pointers or observations ? You won't be able to partition the disk from the command line because the install MFS doesn't have any of the requisite tools to do so. ??? I don't understand this comment. Recreating a disk - slice/parttion/newfs - is one of the main things to do under a fixit. You should have fdisk, bsdlabel and newfs there as well as restore for sucking dumps back in. The only thing to remember is that the running writable root file system under fixit is in memory. You have to make sure that what you do is to the disk and that the fstab you create is on the disk. It is easy to lose track and make an /etc/fstab modification or a mount point in the MFS and then find it is no longer there when you reboot. But, you just have to pay attention to where you are doing things. jerry You could do it from a livefs disk however. As for observations.. I think you're wasting your time :) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Reading warnings when installing multiple ports
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 06:52:39AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: Kelly Jones wrote: I often use make -DBATCH install to install ports. Problem: many ports spew out a warning/todo message after you install them (eg, you must manually create an x user or something). Since ports install recursively, I miss most of these messages. Can I tell ports to store these messages for me somewhere? Obviously, I can make -DBATCH install /tmp/outfile, but that'll log all the install, test, etc commands that I don't want to see: I just want to see the warnings at the end of each install. portmaster will save up package messages and display them all at the end of the session. I believe a similar feature is planned for portupgrade but as far as I know it hasn't been released yet. In any case, you can redisplay the pkg-message for any installed port by: % pkg_info -Dx portname Cheers, Matthew This is handy and seems to work. But, I very often wish there was a convenient way to see some of those messages and especially messages about things one has to do during the install, such as manually installing something or getting some license thing handled, before I start the port install. Sometimes I get a question in the middle of an install that I do not know how to answer and it is an awfully inconvenient time to have to start scrounging for information.Having a commannd that would display all those things and maybe some related information or pointers to information for making an intelligent response - before starting the make - would be very helpful. jerry -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: boot0 installation not permitted in single slice config
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 09:27:34PM +, Saifi Khan wrote: Hi all: Trying to install the 'boot0' boot manager on the MBR, from the Fixit# command prompt as Fixit# boot0cfg -v -B -o noupdate /dev/ad4 the response is: boot0cfg: write_mbr: /dev/ad4: Operation not permitted. i've configured a single slice for the entire disk as Fixit# fdisk -B -I /dev/ad4 Is it that by default the sector 0 is taken as the start point if the entire disk is configured with a single slice ? Use fdisk.fdisk -B ad4 The fdisk commane you indicate does all you need. eg: fdisk -B -I ad4 does what you want and you do not need the boot0cfg jerry thanks Saifi. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Licensing
On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 01:09:51AM -0400, Steve Bertrand wrote: I've got a question that is likely not suited for this list, but I know that there are people here who can guide me off-list. Being a network engineer, I'm far from a developer. With that said, I've written numerous network automation programs (mostly in Perl), and have developed several small patches for software written in C related to ISP operations (including the OS itself). I'm looking for advice on how I can take all of my code, and license it into the public domain. I'm sure that most people won't have any interest in it, but I really want to ensure that what I have done is freely accessible. All of my code is pretty well separated into different files that contain different functions, so isolating portions of my programs that use modules or functions that are external is not a problem. GPL seems too verbose legally for me. Can the BSD license fit into any code, no matter what language it is in, and if so, can I have my code overlooked by someone who can verify that the BSD license will fit? The first thing to determine is if any other entity might hold some interest (ownership/copyright interest) in any of it. If you were employed by someone or some institution to do the work or the work was done during time paid by those entities, then they may have an interest. If that is not the case, then the next thing to determine is if any of it should be submitted to existing OSen or Utilities as patches - bug fixes or improvements. These two may not be a conflict as many businesses will have no problem with you submitting back fixes in software you are using in their behalf. eg, for example, if you are using FreeBSD to run a system for the business and write a patch for FreeBSD while on company time that helps that business operate better, they probably will have no problem with your submitting the patch for permanent inclusion in FreeBSD. As much as possible, then, submit PRs and include the diffs that cover the fixes or improvements. Finally, if you have complete clear ownership of some unique utilities, then include license terms in the source with a requirement that the license term be included in any subsequent distributions and then submit the utilitie as a port - if it is for FreeBSD. For a reasonable idea of how to compose license terms, check out the license terms for FreeBSD on the web site. I really don't know where to submit it if it is not for FreeBSD, although there are several sites that such as SourceForge that make themselves repositories for various usefull utilities. You'd have to check with them for how to go about submitting things and what is expected in the way of support, etc. Please include well documented source and clear statements as to what the utilities do and how to use them. Writing man pages and why-to as well as how-tos is important. You don't have to worry a whole lot Good luck, jerry Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: basic
On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 09:03:36AM +0200, Mel Flynn wrote: On Wednesday 06 May 2009 21:09:07 Jerry McAllister wrote: On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 06:00:32PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: 10 GOTO 10 On Wed, 6 May 2009 14:32:47 +0200, giorgio novello gio@vodafone.it wrote: Do you want obtain new market share? Develop e visual-basic like language, or asp vb and your OS will be a best seller FreeBSD isn't for beginners, it's for professionals. Everyone is a beginner sometime. So, FreeBSD is for beginners. Otherwise there would be no FreeBSD --- or you. What he means is that FreeBSD does no hand holding or hide stuff because you don't need access to it anyway. Also, there aren't many that started computing on FreeBSD. I know what he thinks he means. But, what he says is that improvements are against the ethic of FreeBSD and that simply is not true. jerry -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dump snapshot issue...
On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 10:01:36AM +0100, Marc Coyles wrote: One thing you should try is to remove the dump_snapshot files, because they are supposed to be unlinked when the dump starts anyway, so they shouldn't be sticking around. Also, look for file flags on the directories, or ACLs, etc. And consider the permissions you're running dump with. Dump is running as root via cron / initiated by hand. ACLs not used. Have removed all existing dump_snapshot files, and have also removed and recreated all .snap directories. S'now working fine for all mountpoints, except /home... Is /home really a separate file system on your system? Or is it just a directory in another filesystem? jerry mksnap_ffs: Cannot create /home/.snap/dump_snapshot: Input/output error dump: Cannot create /home/.snap/dump_snapshot: No such file or directory It doesn't appear to proceed as normal either... as you can see below, it ends the previous dump, starts the /home dump, gets an I/O error, then proceeds straight to the /usr dump. The /home dump never gets performed. If I remove the -L option, everything goes thru fine, but complains about lack of -L flag... DUMP: DUMP IS DONE mksnap_ffs: Cannot create /home/.snap/dump_snapshot: Input/output error dump: Cannot create /home/.snap/dump_snapshot: No such file or directory DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Wed May 6 08:30:31 2009 DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch DUMP: Dumping snapshot of /dev/da0s1e (/usr) to standard output Fsck finds no errors on /home... point to note... mksnap_ffs CAN create /home/.snap/dump_snapshot as I'm sat looking at the file, however, once it's created it it's as tho it can't access it. The file is there, it wasn't before I ran the script. It's created it as root:operator, perms 400. I can open it in pico, add content to it, and save it happily. So I'm baffled! M ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: basic
On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 06:00:32PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: 10 GOTO 10 On Wed, 6 May 2009 14:32:47 +0200, giorgio novello gio@vodafone.it wrote: Do you want obtain new market share? Develop e visual-basic like language, or asp vb and your OS will be a best seller FreeBSD isn't for beginners, it's for professionals. Everyone is a beginner sometime. So, FreeBSD is for beginners. Otherwise there would be no FreeBSD --- or you. jerry There wouldn't be Visual BEGINNERs All-Purpose Symbolic Instruction Code, but isual PROFESSIONALSs All-Purpose Symbolic Instruction Code, Visual Pasic, VP. It already exists: The tools for making Qt and Gtk+ applications. Then, there are NetBeans and Eclipse and so on - everything already there. :-) Furthermore, FreeBSD isn't sold. So it doesn't have to care about market share and best seller. And for the weekend: 10 GOTO KNEIPE 20 INPUT BIER -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: basic
On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 01:59:41PM -0700, Charlie Kester wrote: On Wed 06 May 2009 at 13:15:34 PDT Fred C wrote: On May 6, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Gary Gatten wrote: LMAO! Touché! Seriously though, can't we all just get along? :) I have no problem with linux I am using it every day at work it is installed on more than 2000 servers. But with all the incoherences in the tools and the os, I feel sometime like I am working on Windows. I suspect the OP was trolling. The giveaway is his suggestion that following his advice would make FreeBSD a best seller. This reflects a complete lack of awareness of what FreeBSD is all about. Setting aside the fact that FreeBSD is not a commercial product and thus has nothing to sell, he also presumes that our primary goal is to increase the size of our userbase and that we are willing to make whatever accommodations are necessary to achieve that goal. But unless I'm mistaken, that isn't FreeBSD's goal. FreeBSD's goal is to provide a freely-available implementation of BSD Unix for the most common hardware. New users who are looking for a BSD Unix are welcome, but they are expected to adapt to FreeBSD's way of doing things and not vice versa. The current userbase is large enough to suggest that many people have no problem with those terms. As for the suggestion that what FreeBSD needs is VB, there have already been various ports of Basic over the years. None of them seem to have had much success. BSD users seem to be content with traditional shell scripting, perl, or newer scripting languages like python -- all of which better reflect the Unix philosophy than VB does. The only thing I miss about basic was the ease of playing the speaker on a pc. I wrote a number of odd-scaled and timed loops in Basic many years ago - circa 1980, pre Visual Basic actually, as tests of the effects of tone intervals and tone spacing and wouldn't mind resurecting them and doing some more experimenting. I know there are all kinds of more sophisticated things available, but the simplicity of it then just suited what I was trying to do. It would be easy enough to rewrite the loops in something like Perl, but is it as easy to make the tones and control the time intervals? I don't remember seeing that other places. Otherwise, the only other reason for Basic nowdays, as far as I can see, is for nostalgia -- anyone remember PP coding on CDC 6000 and 170 series mainframes? Now that's nostalgia. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Broken Partition
On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 06:26:42PM -0700, Chris Chambers wrote: Hi, Using partition magic, I freed some space from my msdos partition. Then using sysinstall's fdisk and label, I attempted to add the space to my freebsd partition. I broke the installation. The boot loader can not find /boot/kernal. I tried mounting the partition under FixIt, but mount says broken argument. You cannot just slab it on the side of an existing slice with fdisk. You have to create a brand new slice that uses up all the space. There is something called growfs(8) in FreeBSD, but that works on FreeBSD filesystems (FreeBSD partitions) rather than slices. So, you might be able to use the fixit to go back and restore the slice to the way it was and get a backup of it. I am not sure. Do you have any information on exactly which sector it previously started on? You would have to create a slice _identical_ to the old one (without any extra added on) and then use fdisk and bsdlabel to restore the labels _exactly_ as before. Then you might be able to read stuff. I am not sure what fsck would do with it because some links probably have been wiped out. If you can get it to where dump(8) can make a dump of the each of the partitions in the slice (except swap and /tmp - don't back up swap or bother with /tmp), then do that. Then, go back to Partition Magic and delete the FreeBSD slice and then create a completely new one that combines the space of what you shaved off from MSdos with the previous FreeBSD slice. Then you can go back to sysinstall (or manually with fdisk-bsdlabel-newfs) and create the new, larger FreeBSD slice, divide it in to partitions and make file systems out of them with newfs. I think you will be extremely lucky if you can pull off rescuing the old FreeBSD slice though. You will have to get it to start on the same sector and have identical links. You might have to use backup superblocks that are built in to the filesystems if you can get to them. This probably stems from a misunderstanding on how slices, partitions and filesystems work. Although most everything is flexible, the beginnings of each are rather fixed and cannot be arbitrarily shoved around without being remade from scratch. jerry Any ideas? Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: When a System Dies; Getting back in operation again.
On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 10:31:16AM +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote: On Friday 01 May 2009 22:43:51 Jerry McAllister wrote: On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 12:07:22PM -0500, Martin McCormick wrote: Let's say we have a system that is backed up regularly and it vanishes in a puff of smoke one day. One can get FreeBSD installed on a new drive in maybe half an hour or so but we also need to get back to the right patch level and then we can say we are back where we started. What you want to do is use the fixit image to set up the disk. That means fdisk and bsdlabel and newfs it. You can actually use sysinstall to do this as well. Just let the installer come up and do the disk stuff, choose minimal install and then after it finishes making the disks, kill the rest of the install (or just let it finish and then overwrite it. But, I find it actually easier to do the fdisk, bsdlabel and newfs-s myself. But, then I am used to it. Right after you get done making sure where your fixit is living, then use fdisk and bsdlabel to check for the way you have the disk set up currently. Write it down or print it out and keep it near that installation/fixit disk. [Lots of good stuff about creating the partitions] Now all you have to do is newfs each partition. Just take the defaults. Remember that newfs wants the full device spec, not just the drive identifier. If you have kept the right information beforehand, you can actually restore your dumps onto ``bare metal'' without doing a partial install first, and with the same newfs settings for each partition as you originally had. You need to use bsdlabel and dumpfs -m and keep the output for rebuilding. The rest of this message is the details. If you have a specific reason to want your new filesystems' to have identical superblock info, you can use dumpfs -m, but you don't need to worry about all that. Just fdisk, bsdlabel and then let newfs take its defaults. You do not need an identical filesystem to do a restore(8) on it. Restore builds it from scratch in the correct way - in fact in a better way than what it was before the system was whacked.So, just build the new disk either manually or with sysinstall and then restore the dumps within the filesystems. Make sure you cd in to the mounted filesystem - note, since you are running from a fixit, you are making up new mount points and mounting the filesystems from the new disk. Something like: mkdir /newroot mount /dev/ad0s1a /newroot cd /newroot restore -rf /dev/nsa0 (replace /dev/nsa0 with wherever you are reading the dump. don't forget to position the tape with mt fsf nn if it is a tape) You can also skip the fdisk if you are running only FreeBSD from that disk and don't mind using what is called a 'dangerously dedicated' disk. It isn't really all that dangerous. No weird creatures will climb out and grab you by the throat at night. If you do dangerously dedicated, the device addressing leaves out the slice specifier (s1, s2, s3 or s4) and would look something like: /dev/ad0a instead of /dev/ad0s1a. jerry On your running system, create and keep two files. My system has one slice, ad6s1, and the usual partitions - a for root, d for /tmp, e for /var, f for /usr, and I've shown the commands you need, and the resulting file contents on my current system, below: bsdlabel ad6s1 ad6s1.label ad6s1.label contains: # /dev/ad6s1: 8 partitions: #size offsetfstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] a: 104857604.2BSD 2048 16384 8 b: 8388608 1048576 swap c: 1562963220unused0 0 # raw part, don't edit d: 20971520 94371844.2BSD 2048 16384 28552 e: 1048576 304087044.2BSD 2048 16384 8 f: 124839042 314572804.2BSD 2048 16384 28552 I usually put all the spare space on a disk into /usr, so changing the first field on the f: line (the size) from 124839042 to * tells bsdlabel to do exactly that in case the replacement disk is a different size from the original. We now need the newfs settings for all the 4.2BSD filesystems except c, so (in sh syntax) for i in a d e f; do dumpfs -m ad6s1$i; done newfscmds.ad6s1 newfscmds.ad6s1 now contains: # newfs command for ad6s1a (/dev/ad6s1a) newfs -O 2 -a 8 -b 16384 -d 16384 -e 2048 -f 2048 -g 16384 -h 64 -m 8 -o time -s 262144 /dev/ad6s1a # newfs command for ad6s1d (/dev/ad6s1d) newfs -O 2 -U -a 8 -b 16384 -d 16384 -e 2048 -f 2048 -g 16384 -h 64 -m 8 -o time -s 5242880 /dev/ad6s1d # newfs command for ad6s1e (/dev/ad6s1e) newfs -O 2 -U -a 8 -b 16384 -d 16384 -e 2048 -f 2048 -g 16384 -h 64 -m 8 -o time -s 262144 /dev/ad6s1e # newfs command for ad6s1f (/dev/ad6s1f) newfs -O 2 -U -a 8 -b 16384 -d 16384 -e 2048 -f 2048 -g 16384 -h 64 -m 8 -o time -s 31209760 /dev/ad6s1f take out the -s 31209760 in the command for ad6s1f
Re: source for sysinstall
On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 04:46:55AM -0400, Glen Barber wrote: On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 3:59 AM, Fbsd1 fb...@a1poweruser.com wrote: How can i just download the source for sysinstall? http://svn.freebsd.org/base/release/7.2.0/usr.sbin/sysinstall/ Wouldn't that be the binary and not the source? jerry -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 released?
On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 06:20:40PM +0700, Old Crankbuster wrote: * Frederique Rijsdijk frederi...@isafeelin.org [2009-05-03 13:13:23 +0200]: typicaly the images are uploaded first before the announcements are made. Hmm. I just installed 7.1 today. Should I download the new iso and install fresh, or upgrade? No real mods or extensive configuration has been done yet... Wait for the announcement? If you have the time, wait for the announcement and then download the new one and burn it and do it again. jerry -- Cheers ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: source for sysinstall
On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 09:19:21AM -0400, Glen Barber wrote: On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: Wouldn't that be the binary and not the source? It would be the binary once the source is compiled, yes. Didn't even see the 'svn' at the beginning of the URL. jerry -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: When a System Dies; Getting back in operation again.
On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 06:21:06PM +0100, Craig Butler wrote: Bacula is your friend, tried and tested The guy is making nice reliable dump(8)s of his file systems. He doesn't need to waste time and energy with yet another thing. Dump and restore work just fine, are part of the system and handle situations like these most reliably.. jerry http://www.bacula.org/en/dev-manual/Disast_Recove_Using_Bacula.html#SECTION004315 /Craig On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 12:07 -0500, Martin McCormick wrote: Let's say we have a system that is backed up regularly and it vanishes in a puff of smoke one day. One can get FreeBSD installed on a new drive in maybe half an hour or so but we also need to get back to the right patch level and then we can say we are back where we started. If you do not have hot-swappable drives which we mostly do not, What is the best way to restore the full system? Can I use the FreeBSD installation disk in rescue mode? The idea would be to boot the CDROM, go in to rescue mode, mount the new drive which may be blank right now, and then use restore based on the last dump of the system we are trying to revive. Thanks. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: When a System Dies; Getting back in operation again.
On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 12:07:22PM -0500, Martin McCormick wrote: Let's say we have a system that is backed up regularly and it vanishes in a puff of smoke one day. One can get FreeBSD installed on a new drive in maybe half an hour or so but we also need to get back to the right patch level and then we can say we are back where we started. If you do not have hot-swappable drives which we mostly do not, What is the best way to restore the full system? Can I use the FreeBSD installation disk in rescue mode? The idea would be to boot the CDROM, go in to rescue mode, mount the new drive which may be blank right now, and then use restore based on the last dump of the system we are trying to revive. Yes. By the way, dump/restore are the best for backup/recovery because they handle the odd situations best - such as you replace the old failed disk with a newer either larger or smaller (but still big enough to hold everything) disk. Other utilities cannot handle that gracefully. Dump/restore does. There are a few other odd cases as well. I think you want what is called 'fixit' mode. You can select that when you boot from it. I am not absolutely sure all sets of disks are populated identically. Check now that your CD has the fixit and if it is on a different image, download that one, burn it and stash it somewhere safe. What you want to do is use the fixit image to set up the disk. That means fdisk and bsdlabel and newfs it. You can actually use sysinstall to do this as well. Just let the installer come up and do the disk stuff, choose minimal install and then after it finishes making the disks, kill the rest of the install (or just let it finish and then overwrite it. But, I find it actually easier to do the fdisk, bsdlabel and newfs-s myself. But, then I am used to it. Right after you get done making sure where your fixit is living, then use fdisk and bsdlabel to check for the way you have the disk set up currently. Write it down or print it out and keep it near that installation/fixit disk. If you do fdisk ad0or fdisk da0 (depending on IDE/SATA or SCSI/SAS respectively) without any other parameters, it will print out what it thinks the disk is currently like.Of course, if it is other than disk 0, use the correct number. Then do a similar thing with bsdlabel. bsdlabel -e ad0s1 or bsdlabel da0s1.If you have more than one slice and FreeBSD is not on slice 1, then use the correct slice identifier here. So, if it is the second SATA drive and the third slice on it that might look like bsdlabel -e ad1s3. Note that drives number from 0, but slices number from 1. Anyway, then copy the information it shows in the table down or print it out. Ignore the stuff on top - anything above where it says: '8 partitions:'You are just interested in the partition identifiers and the sizes and offsets, types and the fsize, bsize and bps/cpg.Actually, you can normally just take whatever defaults it gives you for fsize, bsize and bps/cpg unless you are doing something extra exotic. Then just get out of the edit session without writing/saving. just type ESC :q! Those numbers don't have to be the exact same on the new disk and probably will not be, but you will want to have the information handy rather than have to recalculate it at a bad time. NOTE, I am mostly writing this presuming that you have the machine only running FreeBSD. If you have it dual booted, you will want the information on the other OS slices too. fdisk will give you what you need to know. The FreeBSD fdisk is smart enough to report on all slices -(what MS calls primary partitions) even if they are not FreeBSD slices. It does not report on extended partitions, but it does not need to. You only need to know about the primaries/slices. You let those other OSen deal with 'extended' stuff. If you have an MS or Lunix OS on it, then those should be put back first. Whatever you did to divide the old disk will have to be done to make the slices on the new disk. Maybe Partition Magic or Gparted was used. Once you have it divided in those major divisions (slices/primary partitions) then use fdisk to make at least the FreeBSD slice boodable. Those other OSen will probably take care of it for theirs. The easy thing is if the whole disk is being used by FreeBSD. Then just do: fdisk -BI da0 That will make the whole disk FreeBSD and bootable. Then do two bsdlabels. The first sets up the label and the second edits it to have the partitions you want. bsdlabel -w -B da0s1 bsdlabel -e da0s1 You will see an edit session about like the one you saw when you collected the information to stash away, except it will only show a 'c' partition. Leave that c partition alone, but make the other ones similar to what you had on the old disk. You only need to put in the '0' value for the offset on the first (a) partition and then put '*' in for the rest of the offsets. Make the rest of the
Re: disklabel output format ? How to see in G M ..
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 08:51:13PM +0300, Anonymous wrote: Using disklabel -A /dev/da0s1 I would like to see the sizes in G or M format, how can I do this? Also, googling arround i found output showing the cylinder space occupied by a partition (like : # cyl* X - Y ). How do I see that ? PS: i did man disklabel and bsdlabel but i didnt find the correct arguments. thank you. I don't know if it will display them that way, but you can enter them as 100M or 12G or whatever is appropriate when you are creating partitions. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Modern FreeBSD Installer?
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 09:56:00AM -0300, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: hello Well, after all that said, I would like to post my modest oppinion based in experience from the market.. 1) The people who use FreeBSD, or other OS, (the end user) will never install the OS, the person will turn on the machine and expects an graphical interface appears in the secreen. 2) the Interface should be as simple as possible, but powerfull enought to fullfill their needs, that is text, email, browsing, some banking, multimedia (this must be powerfulll...), chatting. some dvd authoriting, P2P. should access WIFI networks easy too I don't think you understand how FreeBSD is used in most circumstances. As a server, these things would mostly be quite undesirable and an annoyance to have to remove - more of an annoyance than installing then from ports. jerry 3) the computer (computer is the term used by the USER) should NEVER break, stop working That is: the computer (and the Operating system) should act as the TV set... (remember those old times when the TV set used to break???) you turn it on, and it works... 4) For those who install the OS in the computer, (some 1 in 10.000) people should make it fast and dirty I make an installer that install FBSD in 10 minutes with all the gnome, office, multimedia, with only one enter of the keyboard... using ZFS, the system never breaks, is ready to use in 20 seconds... FBSD is installed in more than 1000 machines running in gas stations... here... 5) A beautifull installer is good for the newspaper that publishes a review of the Operating system (they must publish something to sell to ...save their job..), Have you ever heard about a Leopard installer??? do you know someone who reinstalled Leopard?? 6) I also think that there must be an fast and dirty FBSD install. in the distribution a CD (or DVD) that you put in the machine, it asks where to install and a prompt choosing YES or NO... the installer formats the disk(partition), do a tar of the FBSD image, with an login of admin prompts for a password, and dumps the os image in the disk using journal or ZFS... (90% of the machines I installed FBSD have 1GB of memory, 80GB of HD and HDA sound, INTEL,ATI,VIA graphics board... only 4 brands of NIC). 7) I showed FBSD to an expert windows guy, and he think it is far more easy to install than the XP he was using besides, it is LEGAL!!! Thanks for the Attention, Sergio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Modern FreeBSD Installer?
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 02:28:53AM -0500, Gary Gatten wrote: I'm trying to ignore this thread, but as an infrequent installer, I think it would be nice for those of us with limited experience to have a context sensitive help to explain the various install options, such as: what it is/does, how much disk space, how many/which dependancies, estimated install time, etc. I don't care if its TUI or GUI - just something to help me make the various selections at install time. With my luck such a thing is already there and I just don't know about it, but thought I'd throw it out. I would go for this. I have done hundreds of installations and still find times that I want more information in the middle of things. That is especially true if I try to add some packages at install time. But, I agree that we must not give up on a 'text based' installer that is the most generally usable, even if some other options might be made available.The text based installer could also be massaged a bit to make it a little easier to understand as well, without losing its functionality. Read Jordan Hubbard's white paper whose URL was posted a few days ago. It clarifies things a lot. http://people.freebsd.org/~jkh/package-and-install.txt Probably even more could be said, but that gives an essential frame of reference. jerry - Original Message - From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org To: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk m.e.sanlit...@gmail.com Cc: Tim Judd taj...@gmail.com; FreeBSD Questions Mailing List freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sun Apr 26 19:00:07 2009 Subject: Re: Modern FreeBSD Installer? On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:52:56 -0400, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk m.e.sanlit...@gmail.com wrote: Last week I have installed Solaris 10 ( 2008-10 ) on a PC ( x86 ) having an Intel main board . It did not recognize Philips 220WS LCD ( 1680 x 1050 ) monitor and selected itself a text-mode install and also booted in text mode. I moved its hard disk to a PC with an Asus main board having an attached CRT Philips 109B6 ( maximum resolution : 1920 x 1440 ) monitor . Since boards were different , Solaris 10 could not boot . I started an upgrade installation . During that time it become necessary to leave PC for a while assuming that installation will wait . With its count down and start by itself in its GUI mode . it started to install automatically . At the end , the install become useless because its default detections were not what parts were there ( I think it used previously detected parts without checking the present parts except monitor and perhaps some others , I do not know exactly .) . That's why there should be at least the option of a text-mode install (and it should probably be the default, as Polytropon wrote). I also hate it when an installer fails to autodetect my video adapter and ends up showing me a useless blank screen or, even worse, an equally useless 'out of range' monitor message! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Partitioning for multiple systems
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 11:45:07AM -0700, Michael David Crawford wrote: I have a machine I plan to use solely for testing. I have FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT on it right now, and would like to add FreeBSD 7.2-RC2 as well as CentOS 5.3 Linux. Presently I have three Master Boot Record primary partitions - slices in the FreeBSD parlance, if I understand correctly: - A Linux slice to be used for CentOS' /boot - A BSD slice subdivided into partitions that hold 8.0-CURRENT - A big FAT slice (so to speak) meant to be split up for 7.2 and CentOS A PC-style Master Boot Record can hold a maximum of four primary partitions, or it can hold three primaries and a single extended partition that is subdivided into logical partitions. The geometries of the logical partitions aren't given in the MBR, but exist as a linked list. I *should* be able to split that FAT slice up into a primary for 7.2 and an extended partition that will hold CentOS' other partitions; however: In Googling about this, I have read some dire warnings about FreeBSD being unable to understand logical partitions; apparently installing FreeBSD *before* an extended partition will result in all your logicals getting trashed. One is advised to put all the FreeBSD MBR partitions *after* the extended partition. Is that the case? Have you any advice for me? FreeBSD is not happy with MS 'extended partitions'. But, I don't really see your problem. You are not using Microsloth for anything. Create your Lunix slice first, then one for FreeBSD 7.2 and finally one for FreeBSD 8.0. You still logically have one left for something but it doesn't seem to be needed and neither does a 'logical partition'. Note that FreeBSD will not run from the FAT slice as far as I know. FreeBSD might be able to mount the CENTOS slice stuff if you use the right type of mount. I don't know about mounting Lunix from FreeBSD. But, you can't do it the other way (eg mount a FreeBSD type filesystem from Lunix - though maybe, I have never tried it) One more thing: if it's possible, I'd like for the /home directory to be shared between both of my FreeBSD installations. In a normal installation, there is a real /usr/home directory, with /home being a symbolic link. If I'm running FreeBSD out of one MBR partition (or slice), can I mount a directory that's in a different one? MBR has nothing to do with the filesystem type. MBR is just a [usually] one block/sector of code that makes a few choices and then reads in a subsequent, OS-specific block of code to begin the actual boot process.MS MBRs are not very friendly. The FreeBSD MBR will boot any OS that follows the official standard for boot code location. Linux wants you to use some fancier, non-standard (but by now, pretty much usable everywhere) MBRs such as Grub. They all do essentially the same thing - ask you which block you want to boot and then go load it in and transfer over control to it. Generally they don't care what is in the block but MS still goes out of its way to pretend that the rest of the world does not exist so it won't play with others, though I have heard rumors that the newest stuff takes a somewhat broader outlook. From FreeBSD you can mount other types of filesystems such as MS by using the correct mount types. For example, if you want to mount an MS FAT or FAT32, you use an 'msdosfs' type in your fstab file or mount_msdosfs(8) utility to do the mount. Do some studying to see if you can mount any Lunxi type filesystem from FreeBSD. When you create a new __non-root__ account, you can put the home directory anywhere the system can reliably read and write. DO NOT put the home directory for a root account outside of the root (/) filesystem. Since both FreeBSD 7.xx and 8.xx are going to be UFS type file systems, you could put them both in your /etc/fstab for each and pick a single partition for (non root) home directories. I don't know if that is a good idea, but it should work OK. jerry Thanks for your help! Mike -- Michael David Crawford m...@prgmr.com prgmr.com - We Don't Assume You Are Stupid. Xen-Powered Virtual Private Servers: http://prgmr.com/xen ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Modern FreeBSD Installer?
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 08:33:46PM +0200, beni wrote: On Sunday 26 April 2009 20:11:36 Neo [GC] wrote: Just my two cents: Why a graphical installer? Shure, it looks nice, easy, modern and more accessable (examples: Mac OS X, Vista), but on the other hand, for me FreeBSD never was intended to be fancy, but to be functional. What is wrong with fancy functional ? The two can go together I think. For you it may not be, but I would like it to be for me. And as to now, I don't have any choice : there is no fancy, easy, nice, modern and accessable installer. You are missing the two key things that have been said. First, that a GUI installer will not work on many systems that FreeBSD powers and in some circumstances for which it is used. Those in particular are headless servers - a major use of FreeBSD - and where it is being used by persons who need special communication tools such as the blind. So, for those large number of cases a text based installer needs to be retained, though if someone were able to improve it in some way, that would be OK. Second, that no one objects to a parallel installer being made available as long as it is not the default and as long as it does not squeeze out the text based installer.The only problem here is finding someone or some group to work on it. Most FreeBSD developers see other issues as higher priority concerns and will be putting their effort in to those concerns rather than in to a GUI installer. So, don't try to make an argument that doesn't exist. Nobody minds if you write a fantastic GUI installer and submit it for inclusion as long as it works well and doesn't eclipse other necessities. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Partitioning for multiple systems
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:17:47PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:30:43 -0400, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 11:45:07AM -0700, Michael David Crawford wrote: FreeBSD is not happy with MS 'extended partitions'. But, I don't really see your problem. You are not using Microsloth for anything. That's why I'm not sure why FAT has been mentioned. As far as The FAT (more likely FAT32) can be the filesystem type that each of the OSen can read/write.I occasionally make one for scratch space that more than one OS on a machine can access. I understood, the disk should have three operating systems (Linux, FreeBSD 7, FreeBSD 8) and a partition where all these systems can have a shared mount point for /home. So my idea would be... no, my further questions would be: 1. Can FreeBSD mount -o rw a file system that is usable on Linux, maybe ext2? If yes, use this file system type for the partition that is /home then. 2. Can Linux mount -o rw a file system that is usable on FreeBSD, maybe UFS? If yes, use this file system type for the partition that is /home then. Because the /home partition is not intended to be booted from, it should be possible to add it. Create your Lunix slice first, then one for FreeBSD 7.2 and finally one for FreeBSD 8.0. You still logically have one left for something but it doesn't seem to be needed and neither does a 'logical partition'. Hasn't the fact that Linux needs two primary partitions (one for itself, one for its boot loader) mentioned? I thought that the fancy MBR went in the extra track space beyond that official single sector that almost no one actually uses any more. I haven't heard of that.The RHEL and SUSE installs I did recently did not look like they were using two primaries.But I didn't make a point of looking for that, so I am not sure. jerry FreeBSD might be able to mount the CENTOS slice stuff if you use the right type of mount. I don't know about mounting Lunix from FreeBSD. But, you can't do it the other way (eg mount a FreeBSD type filesystem from Lunix - though maybe, I have never tried it) That would be the idea. From FreeBSD you can mount other types of filesystems such as MS by using the correct mount types. For example, if you want to mount an MS FAT or FAT32, you use an 'msdosfs' type in your fstab file or mount_msdosfs(8) utility to do the mount. Do some studying to see if you can mount any Lunxi type filesystem from FreeBSD. Exactly. Or, if not, maybe it works vice-versa: mounting a FreeBSD partition (within a slice, a primary partition) from within this Linux. -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Converting the partition type
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 02:14:43PM -0700, Christopher Chambers wrote: Hi, I have an msdos partition with a large amount of data. Is there a way to convert to a ufs partition without having to remove the data off the partition first? Not that one. You could use one of the commercial utilities like Partition Magic to convert to or from NTFS, but not a UNIX type. You will have to make it a FAT type and then mount it in FreeBSD and then read it from FreeBSD to a place in a UFS slice. Then that version would not be accessible in a MS system. jerry -- Christopher Chambers ccha...@interchange.ubc.ca ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: /etc/crontab won't run my script
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 06:14:26PM +0300, Ghirai wrote: On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:08:13 +0300 Ghirai ghi...@ghirai.com wrote: Hi, I'm trying to get a python script to run from /etc/crontab, but it won't work. I've read about the most common issues being related to paths, but my script uses no paths at all. This is my /etc/crontab line: */5 * * * * munin /usr/local/bin/python /root/myscript.py /var/log/myscript.log I used munin user because i already have it (can i run it under 'nobody'?). This is what /var/log/cron says: Apr 24 18:00:01 triton /usr/sbin/cron[4361]: (munin) CMD (/usr/local/bin/python /root/myscript.py /var/log/myscript.log) However the script doesn't seem to run at all. Obviously it works if i run it stand-alone, as any user. I'm running 7.1-RELEASE-p4, i386. What am i doing wrong? Thanks. Ok i just changed 'who' column to root and it works. Why won't it work as any other user? Permissions for myscript.py are 555. Isn't /etc/crontab the root cron and should not be used by users? To set up a crontab for a user, do: crontab -e while logged in as that user. You can also do it from root by using the -u user_name option in the command, eg. if the user is joe crontab -u joe -e You should never edit the tab files directly. You may also have to set up /var/cron/allow and /var/cron/deny files. In addition, the ownership and permissions on the files/scripts you are trying to run from cron must be correct. jerry jerry -- Regards, Ghirai. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Customized Remote Install
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 07:47:43AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:47:11 -0400, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:51:32PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:42:32 -0600, Scott Seekamp sseek...@risei.net wrote: My hope was that I could make an automated install CD/DVD that configured all the options I want AND change some base config files so I can actually get to the box (or install an SSH key). [...] I'm open to other options if someone has gone down this road before! I'd like to advertize a method that I think is very comfortable in such a setting. It's worth mentioning that this method usually requires (a) modern enough PCs or (b) you to know what is the hardware profile of the PC. The method works as follows: First create a FreeBSD as you want it to be on the clients. Install and configure everything as you intend. Then dump the created partitions onto a CD or DVD and create a simple script that: 1. initializes the client's hard disk 2. slices the disk and newfses the partitions 3. dumps the partition images onto the disks 4. reboots the machine into operating state. After this, you should be able to SSH into the client and change settings that need to be changed. This works very well. I just realize that I missed something: Better than dd, I think dump restore are the preferred tools to create the partition images. When you're done on your template system, umount its partitions (in SUM) and use dump to dump them into files. These files go to the installation DVD and are later on restored onto the (empty) partitions using the restore command. This will preserve any permissions and other file properties. I have done essentially the same many times. The one thing missing is that you need to have something to set the network information -- hostname, IP address, gateway, netmask and name-server.These will be different for each machine. So, your script will have to accomodate this - read console input for these items and plug them in to the proper places before rebooting. That's correct. I always used a kind of CHANGE THIS! items to do so, or, if none are given, they are automatically created so the system boots up and runs, but then again, require service afterwards. This can be made work this way: When the incomplete system is up and running, it mails the distant administrator (or contacts him in another way) requiring him to finish the settings. But I think it's the best solution to propmt for these specific settings at installation time (read, when the restore job is done, the partitions can be mounted -o rw and the files neccessary to be changed can be created or modified). The installation will then continue and finish. Of course, the dump restore method lacks a lot of bling, blitzen, eye candy, bells and whistles, but it honours the abstinence to such stuff with speed and easyness of use. But it's still neccessary to read (and understand) and press a few keys on the keyboard. :-) the dump/restore method's best and biggest bling and bell and whistle is that it works correctly and is the most straight forward and easy. jerry -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Disk usage analysis
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 08:08:18PM -0700, Christopher Chambers wrote: Is there an easy way to analyze disk usage to determine which files and folders are taking up the most space? Check out the du(1) command. Go in to a file system and type du -sk * or maybe du -sh * (I prefer the former because then all numbers have the same value) Once you determine some directory that seems out of line, go in to that directory and do it again. jerry -- Christopher Chambers ccha...@interchange.ubc.ca ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: i had a tought
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 06:10:04PM +0200, Arjen Simon Scheer wrote: why there is not a lunix operatingsystem consortium, for the kernel end the commercial userinterface Good question. Maybe you should ask them. Probably few people on this list will know because it is not a Lunix Email list. It is a group of FreeBSD users and FreeBSD is an operating system. It is a BSD UNIX type of operating system.Although it covers some similar territory as Lunix, it is not Lunix nor a flavor of it. So, if you can find a friendly group of Lunix developers, then you can ask them your question. Probably they will know more. As for FreeBSD, it does have a foundation - the FreeBSD foundation and a consortium made up of committers which is lead by a core group elected every two years. (something like that, I may be off on the election cycle details) On the other hand, you can just stick with FreeBSD and not bother with the Lunix stuff and you will get along just fine. jerry -- Arjen Simon Scheer Konigin Wilhelminalaan 4-017 4205ET Gorinchem ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: i had a tought
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 05:10:05PM -0500, Gary Gatten wrote: -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Jerry McAllister Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 1:42 PM To: Arjen Simon Scheer Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: i had a tought On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 06:10:04PM +0200, Arjen Simon Scheer wrote: why there is not a lunix operatingsystem consortium, for the kernel end the commercial userinterface Good question. Maybe you should ask them. Probably few people on this list will know because it is not a Lunix Email list. It is a group of FreeBSD users and FreeBSD is an operating system. It is a BSD UNIX type of operating system.Although it covers some similar territory as Lunix, it is not Lunix nor a flavor of it. So, if you can find a friendly group of Lunix developers, then you can ask them your question. Probably they will know more. As for FreeBSD, it does have a foundation - the FreeBSD foundation and a consortium made up of committers which is lead by a core group elected every two years. (something like that, I may be off on the election cycle details) On the other hand, you can just stick with FreeBSD and not bother with the Lunix stuff and you will get along just fine. jerry LMAO! Touche! So, are you saying I shouldn't ask any questions here about Ubuntu, Suse, RedHat, et al? Isn't Lunix better than BSD anyway? ;-) Why would you ask about those things on a FreeBSD list. They are all Linux and not the superiour FreeBSD. I suppose there is one thing - often FreeBSD people know as much about Lunix as the Lunix people, sometimes because they have upgraded their lives by climbing out of the Lunix morass and in to the FreeBSD world. So, they still remember some of that stuff even as they are trying to forget. jerry jerry font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Modern FreeBSD Installer?
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 01:34:13PM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote: On Apr 22, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Fritz wrote: Hi, As a big fan (and paying subscriber) Interesting-- I wasn't aware that the FreeBSD project had a paid subscription model...? ...of FreeBSD it pains me to ask this question: When are you going to build a modern installer for FreeBSD? I looked at the list of projects and didn't see it there ... did I miss something? If you're asking for an installer which requires bitmapped graphics and won't work over a serial terminal or the like, well, I hope the answer is never. Some people have tried before and/or might still be working on a replacement, but thus far, nobody has written one which is widely regarded as better than sysinstall. You might find this interesting to read: http://people.freebsd.org/~jkh/package-and-install.txt Very good article - not surprising, considering the author. Anyone considering working on the installer or the package system should read it carefully as a first step. jerry Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Customized Remote Install
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:51:32PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:42:32 -0600, Scott Seekamp sseek...@risei.net wrote: My hope was that I could make an automated install CD/DVD that configured all the options I want AND change some base config files so I can actually get to the box (or install an SSH key). [...] I'm open to other options if someone has gone down this road before! I'd like to advertize a method that I think is very comfortable in such a setting. It's worth mentioning that this method usually requires (a) modern enough PCs or (b) you to know what is the hardware profile of the PC. The method works as follows: First create a FreeBSD as you want it to be on the clients. Install and configure everything as you intend. Then dump the created partitions onto a CD or DVD and create a simple script that: 1. initializes the client's hard disk 2. slices the disk and newfses the partitions 3. dumps the partition images onto the disks 4. reboots the machine into operating state. After this, you should be able to SSH into the client and change settings that need to be changed. This works very well. I have done essentially the same many times. The one thing missing is that you need to have something to set the network information -- hostname, IP address, gateway, netmask and name-server.These will be different for each machine. So, your script will have to accomodate this - read console input for these items and plug them in to the proper places before rebooting. jerry You always have your reference machine at hand, because it's exactly installed and configured as the clients. Under controlled conditions, it's even possible to build the needed system in a virtualized environment. -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Can you ACTUALLY print from FreeBSD?
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 08:58:39AM -0600, Keith Seyffarth wrote: I'm trying to print from my FreeBSD machine. I've been through a number of online tutorials and instructions on printing from Unix or FreeBSD in particular, but they all seem to start with the assumption that printing from the machine is possible. I'm trying to get to that starting point. What kind of printing do you need to do? To send files to some either attached or network attached printer, you just need to: set up an entry in /etc/printcap for a printer named myprt, make something like: lp|myprt|HP OfficeJet 4110 N:\ :lp=:rp=myprt:rm=myprt.prt.full.hostname:\ :sh:mx#0:\ :sd=/var/spool/myprt:\ :lf=/var/log/printer.log: (Of course, change myprt.prt.full.hostname to a real address) create a spool directory for it in /var/spool (eg for a printer named myprt in printcap, create a /var/spool/myprt directory create an empty log file for it touch /var/log/printer.log then enable lpd in /etc/rc.conf - lpd_enable=YES This sets up a 'standard' printer destination (named lp) Then you can print using lpr(1) Some utilities want to use cups and other heavy stuff, but just for regular printing - of a file or from firefox or openoffice, etc you don't need that. jerry I have installed: cups-base-1.3.9_3 Common UNIX Printing System cups-pdf-2.5.0 A virtual printer for CUPS to produce PDF files cups-pstoraster-8.15.4_2 Postscript interpreter for CUPS printing to non-PS printers gutenprint-cups-5.1.7_3 GutenPrint Printer Driver libgnomecups-0.2.3_1,1 Support library for gnome cups admistration hplip-2.8.2_4 Drivers and utilities for HP Printers and All-in-One device The printer I'm working with is a HP Officejet 4110. There seem to be several issues with printing. First, since this is a USB printer, the pinter is always owned by root:operator with read permissions for user, group, and world. Adding these lines to /etc/devfs.conf link ulpt0 printer own ulpt0 cups:cups perm ulpt0 0666 will set the ownership to cups:cups and the permissions to read and write for user, group, and world on startup if the printer is already turned on and plugged in. However, if the printer is not turned on at startup, or if it is disconnected or turned off after system startup, ownership and permissions revert. Trying chown or chmod to the device at /dev/ulpt0 gives an invalid path error, and trying to do so following the instructions in the man page for devfs give 'operation not supported by device' errors. When th device is owned by root, attempting to print the test page generates a 'permission denied' error in CUPS. When the device is owned by cups, attempting to print the test page generates a failed error in CUPS. When the device is owned by cups, this error is reported in the error log in CUPS, if debug logging is enabled: [CGI] /usr/local/share/cups/drivers/pscript5.dll: No such file or directory There isn't a drivers directory in /usr/local/share/cups. I can make one, but where do I get the pscript5.dll, and what else is it going to rely on? CUPS et al were installed using portinstall, and CUPS is working well to produce .pdf files. I tried portupgrade last night on all the (I think) relevant ports, but the system thinks they are all up to date. So, questions: 1. how can I get permissions on the device to stick, so that I do not have to reboot the machine every time we want to print or have to power cycle the printer? 2. Am I correct that the missing .dll (that seems awfully Windows to me) is the problem in getting a filter to print? If so, what do I need to do to install it? And, actually, a third printing-related issue: How do I get cupsd to start on startup? I have these two lines in /etc/rc.conf:\ cupsd_enable=YES # enable cups printing management devfs_system_ruleset=system # something else they say cups needs but CUPS has to be manually started by root after each reboot. what else needs to be done to get cupsd to start at startup? Keith ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: missing xorgconfig
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 08:10:24PM +0200, kenneth hatteland wrote: Having reinstalled my laptop twice and updated to stable 7.2 prerelease but each time no xorgconfig exists as I am used to. xfce4 starts ok, but I get the known mouse locked problem and would love and xorg.conf to edit as I have learned but it doesn`t exist. Anyone know hos to install xorgconfig manually ?? You don't really want xorgconfig though it should exist in /usr/local/bin. What you want is'Xorg -configure' Note the uppercase 'X' on Xorg and in the 'X -config' command below. Then, after it makes the xorg.conf.new file in the home directory (root's - hopefully you are doing this from root) you run 'X -config xorg.conf.new' to check it out. NOTE: that Xorg and X are also in /usr/local/bin. That needs to be in your path. After that, edit the xorg.conf.new file and add in a subsection Display under the screen section to give the resolution for the monitor screen under the correct depth level. Looks something like: SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 Modes 1280x1024 EndSubSection but with your correct depth and Modes. Then, get rid of (comment out) all the other subsection Display blocks that don't apply to your machine. You could have more than one, but generally not on an LCD screen. Finally, copy that xorg.conf.new file to /etc/X11/xorg.conf After that, it is a matter of playing around with your window manager and desktop utility. jerry kenneth ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: No space in lost+found directory (formerly: SORRY. NO SPACE IN lost+found DIRECTORY)
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 08:30:40PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:21:28 +0100, Chris Rees utis...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/4/16 Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk: Maybe we should tell FreeBSD to stop shouting too? :) Actually, we really should! Come on, we're not on teletypes any more. Did UPPERCASE LETTERS make the teletype print louder? I always assumed they would just consume more disk space... RYRYRYRYRYRYRY!!! :-) Nah, the earliest ones only had upper case. When they made upper/lower models, for some reason people just left on shift-lock - maybe to make it look the same. jerry -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Weird SSH problem... Any ideas?!?
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:46:37AM -0500, chris.a.hori...@seagate.com wrote: check permissions on /etc/passwd, in my case, solaris 10, /etc/passwd needed to be world readable. I don't understand your problem. /etc/passwd is always world readable. /etc/master.passwd is not. jerry Chris Horinek Oklahoma City Data Center Seagate Technology LLC chori...@seagate.com 405-324-3599 Conf. Call# (US): (877) 810-9442 Access# 1338666 Conf. Call# (Int'l): (636) 651-3190 Access# 1338666 - ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Weird SSH problem... Any ideas?!?
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 02:33:48PM -0500, chris.a.hori...@seagate.com wrote: in my case, someone had inadvertantly removed world read from /etc/passwd. I added it back and the problem went away. Hmmm. Well, nothing in the system should be changing permissions on /etc/passwd.Was anyone else working on the system who had access to do that? Maybe they didn't realize that passwd has to have world read. jerry Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu No Phone Info Available 04/14/2009 02:20 PM To chris.a.hori...@seagate.com cc freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject Re: Weird SSH problem... Any ideas?!? On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:46:37AM -0500, chris.a.hori...@seagate.com wrote: check permissions on /etc/passwd, in my case, solaris 10, /etc/passwd needed to be world readable. I don't understand your problem. /etc/passwd is always world readable. /etc/master.passwd is not world readable. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dump/Restore
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 10:50:49AM +0300, Daniels Vanags wrote: Please Help! After dump-restore /dev, /proc, /usr/compat/linux/proc - is empty, system fealure to boot. Please guide me, how to dump/restore devfs. You only dump(8) file systems. /dev /procfs /dev/mirror/..., etc are not filesystems. They are just directories.Don't dump them. /procfs is not even a real directory so it goes away and gets repopulated when the system boots again. They all need to live in the '/' filesystem and of what is dumpable, gets dumped when you dump / (the root filesystem). Unless I completely misunderstand what you are asking. jerry df -h Filesystem SizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/mirror/gm0s1a 52G 37G 11G78%/ devfs 1.0K1.0K 0B 100%/dev procfs 4.0K4.0K 0B 100%/proc linprocfs4.0K4.0K 0B 100% /usr/compat/linux/proc Daniel Vanags Information Technology Department IT infrastructure system engineer JSC SMP Bank www.smpbank.lv Phone:+371 67019386 E-mail: daniels.van...@smpbank.lv mailto:daniels.van...@smpbank.lv ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Re: Ultrium 920 Autoloader Question
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 09:19:37PM -0500, jh...@socket.net wrote: Depends a little on what sort of software is on the tape drive. But, probably you can either use dump(8)/restore(8) or tar with no problem. They can dump/restore to/from remote devices/files. No software on the drive. Well, there has to be some type of software -- or firmware -- to be able to hang on the network. jerry Jay ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Ultrium 920 Autoloader Question
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 07:11:18PM -0500, jh...@socket.net wrote: If this is a double post, please excuse me. I just realized I sent my initial question to the wrong address. Today, I received my Ultrium 1/8 920 autoloader. I just realized the tape drive can be assigned an IP address so it can be backed up to over the network. And, I would like to explore this before taking the time to install the SCSI card. Is this something I can do from the command line with FreeBSD, or am I better off using software such as AMANDA or Bacula? Depends a little on what sort of software is on the tape drive. But, probably you can either use dump(8)/restore(8) or tar with no problem. They can dump/restore to/from remote devices/files. I have done it on some systems, though it has been a while since the last time because my hardware has changed. Dump/restore can be rather sensitive to version and host OS. jerry Thanks, Jay ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Can't upgrade to 7.1-RELEASE
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 02:41:23AM +0200, Reinis Ivanovs wrote: Hello, I'm trying to upgrade a 7.0 system to 7.1-RELEASE, and it isn't working. I switch to the superuser, do freebsd-update upgrade -r 7.1-RELEASE, and then when I try running freebsd-update install, I get this: .chflags: ///.profile: Operation not supported Any hints as to what could be the problem? Well, it looks like someone set the 'schg' flag on the .profile file. You need to do 'chgflags noscgg FILENAME' on the file - probably from root. jerry Best, R. http://dabas.untu.ms/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 09:12:39PM -0400, Harold Hartley wrote: I am wondering if the freebsd team has ever thought of making freebsd to install on windows like ubuntu does. I don't know what Ubuntu does. But, you can install FreeBSD on a machine that also runs MS-Win. The traditional way is to 'dual-boot' the machine. But, you can also install some virtual machine software and run both under that. You can also install wine and run MS-Win stuff on FreeBSD. There are some limits to that I think, but people do it. I run a dual (or triple) boot. It is documented in the handbook and works just fine. I'm just a person that can't afford more than one computer cause I live in a nursing home and I would like to be able to use one computer to choose what I want to boot into, such as windows or unbuntu and maybe a freebsd choice. I don't always want to boot into windows, except for the 3 apps I have to use windows for. Basically, that is what I do. Mostly I boot FreeBSD and use it for my desktop. But, sometimes I need to use Photoshop which I have on the MS-Win side and printing labels seems to work better with Word than Openoffice, so I boot MS-Win for those. jerry I do boot into ubuntu 90% of the time and enjoy it so much, but I have read about freebsd and researched it fully and I wish I could be able to run freebsd as with all the apps freebsd has to offer. I would love to be able to install freebsd under windows so I could choose freebsd to boot into when I want. I hope to hear from freebsd about my request, and by the way, I'm not a linux expert so I don't know everything about linux, but I'm always learning. Thanks Harold Hartley 158 Russell Street Lewiston, Maine 04240 wheelie...@gwi.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 08:22:31PM +0530, Mehul Ved wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: I don't know what Ubuntu does. What ubuntu does is 1) Install ubuntu as a windows program 2) Run the ubuntu installer as any other win32 installer 3) Ubuntu is installed on a clean NTFS partition 4) Use windows bootloader So, you install and uninstall ubuntu from within windows. But, to switch between windows and ubuntu you have to reboot. This is what I have gathered from other people. I haven't used it myself. Probably the wubi[1] page would have more information on this. 1. http://wubi-installer.org/faq.php#internals Thanks for the explanation. I would rather have FreeBSD installed on a good UFS2 slice than an NTFS partition. I would much rather have it cleanly separate from MS-Win - not even booting it.I don't want my FreeBSD system dragged down by MS baggage. jerry -- Twenty Percent of Zero is Better than Nothing. -- Walt Kelly ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: updated world to CURRENT, how to update ports to CURRENT?
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:54:31AM +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: Hello, I've updated FreeBSD in some VM from 7.0-REL to CURRENT (without any problem); but I'm unsure now how to bring the ports tree /usr/ports to CURRENT; normally in 7.0-REL I've used 'portsnap fetch update', but this will perhaps not bring the ports tree to CURRENT; I've read a lot the handbook about, but it is not clear for me; should I use CVS as well to bring the /usr/ports to CURRENT, or something else? Just put the line ports-all tag=. in your supfile whenever you do the csup. Remember what the ports tree is - a skeleton for installing ports. Doing this will just bring the tree up to date. Then you will need to build and install the desired ports to get the actual utilities updated. You might also add doc-all tag=. to the supfile to get the latest docs. jerry Thx for a pointer matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e matthias.ap...@oclc.org - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Formatting a tape?
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 12:15:48PM -0400, Jaime wrote: I have a DLT tape drive in a FreeBSD system. With one of the tapes, I can get tar -cvpf /dev/sa0 -C / . to work. With all the other tapes, I can't. Is there some kind of formatting process that I need to do? I tried mt fsf 1 from this page: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/backups-tapebackups.html This didn't seem to work, though. Tapes do not need to be formatted, though the issue mentioned in the page you indicate can cause problems.I have seen it a lot on DAT (DDS) tapes and never with a DLT. On the DAT tapes, the solutions given on that page have usually not helped for me. But, since I have never had any problem with DLT tapes, I can't say if they might be helpful. You can try writing a block or two to the drive using dd(1). That occasionally helped with the DAT (DDS) tapes. dd count=10 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/nsa0 Seems like it should have a bs=nn in there too, but I can't remember if the default of 512 is OK or not. jerry Any help is appreciated, Jaime -- To affect the quality of the day, that is the highest of arts. -- Henry David Thoreau Tone of voice in email is misunderstood 50% of the time. Source: http://www.howtoweb.com/cgi-bin/insider.pl?zone=214061 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: First time user problems
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 03:30:33PM -0400, Alhaji Barrie wrote: I am a new user of Free BSD. I just completed the install of Free BSD on a Dell PC but I cannot get past the initial login prompt. I typed the user name I supplied during the installation process to no avail. In the last two days, I have browsed the web and used some of the suggestion provided. I also consulted the documentation in this web site. To put it simply, I am missing the syntax for the user name and password. Can someone help with the step by step process of getting past the original login screen? Probably you will have to redo those items. The best way is to boot in to single user, remount root (/) and use vipw(8) to edit the passwd file. Do the boot to single user - just select that item from the boot menu. Then do: fsck -p mount -u / swapon -a vipw The fsck might take some time so wait for it. vipw works just like vi, except that it only works on the passwd file and it knows how to update the master.passwd file and the password database automatically. If the account id that you want to use is already there and looks good, don't edit it. Just get out and then set the password again. Do: passwd id_name where id_name is that id you want to change. jerry Alhaji I Barrie Network Security Analyst ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: renaming user account?
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:27:39AM -0400, Joe Chimento wrote: Is there an easy way to rename a user account belonging to 'www' group? You could just use vipw(8) and edit the id name in the password entry. Or, do you mean you want to change the group the user belongs to? If it is the user's primary group, then also use vipw to edit the entry. If it is a secondary group for that user, then edit the line in the /etc/group file and remove that user from it. Put it in another group then if you want. You might also have to change group ownership on files if you change the GID as well. jerry -- Joe ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 7.1 64 bit
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 08:28:22PM +0200, Ross Cameron wrote: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Gal Lis gal_...@yahoo.com wrote: Sorry to ask these mundane questions, but I'm a linux novice. Linux != FreeBSD But, the OP will still probably get better information on the FreeBSD lists than over there. If it is a UNIX question, it might be relevant anyway. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Simple Sites Make Me 137.00 Daily!
On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 06:27:37PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: You Are About To See How A Simple Little Three Page Website Makes Me Over $137 In PROFIT Each And Every Day... And It Only Took Me 45 Minutes To Build! Yes... Unlike The 'Other Guys' I Am Actually Gonna Let You See It! My Simple Sites Have Generated Over $2,298,443 In Revenue Over The Past 4 Years. Not To Mention My Students Who Generated Over $1,000,000 Last Year Alone! Copy the URL into your browser for a free video http://www.advice.ne1.net/ unbelievable how many people still believe money comes from heavens. couldn't the mailsystem be changed to allow posting from addresses only from registered users? That discussion has been had numerous times before. I think that in general the conclusion is always that since the questions list provides a primary point of support for FreeBSD users, and that many have reasons that they cannot subscribe or that it would be a problem for them to subscribe, that the annoyance from these trash messages is less than the benefit of leaving the list open. It is not hard to hit 'd' for delete or click on that box if you use a gui email reader. I suspect that the choice won't change now either. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: rc.conf and starting scripts
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 07:14:17PM -0800, gahn wrote: Hi all: I have some starting scripts under some other directories other than /etc/rc.d. How could I utilize the rc.conf file to start them when the system boots up? The default location for rc.conf is /etc/rc.d only and the knob local_startup=/usr/local/etc/rc.d doesn't seem to be working for me for some reasons The way the question is put implies some possible misunderstanding about how rc.conf works. /etc/rc.conf itself is not executed. It is read up by the various scripts in etc/rc.d and /usr/local/etc/rc.d to get values for constants that are defined there. Some of those constants are things like linux_enable=YES or lpd_enable=YES or hostname=fred.cheeze.org and many other possible things. the /etc/rc.conf files does nothing active. It just sets there like a bunch of passive data waiting to be looked at. The rc system goes through the rc.d directories and, according to its rules checks the script files in those directories and executes those scripts that merit execution in an order determined by its protocol. It used to be strictly alphabetical, but is more sophisticated now. See man rc and man rcorder. The scripts read up /etc/rc.conf and check for constants that interest them, such as one to enable or run something. If the file name ends in 'd', the convention is that it is a daemon. But other things could be run to check stuff or set up some files, or whatever. Besides telling a script to run or exit without doing anything, the constants also set conditions for things, such as that hostname setting. But, it is up to the scripts - most or all in one of the rc.d directories - to do anything about what is in /etc/rc.conf. Just putting something in the rc.conf file does nothing. One or more of the scripts are what looks for the stuff you put in rc.conf and does/do all the work. The scripts in the rc.d directories have to have execute permission. There is a protocol set up for them to determine at which point in the boot process they run (most can also be run manually after the system is up, though doing them out of order can produce unpleasant results in some cases). So, put your script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d. Include the appropriate protocol in the script (see man rc.d, man rc.conf and other related man pages) and make sure it reads /etc/rc.conf if it needs constants set or needs to decide whether or not to start something. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: bsd.rd for FreeBSD install
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 09:36:39AM -0800, new_guy wrote: Hi, We normally use OpenBSD, but would like to try FreeBSD on a test system. Usually, when updating from one OpenBSD release to another, we do so by downloading the latest bsd.rd and booting from that to complete the install. Our machines have no optical drives. Does FreeBSD have a similar method to installation? Hmmm. Having a CD drive makes it so easy. It might be worthwhile to run out and get an external one you can plug in. Installs can also be done from a pair of floppies if you have a floppy drive. The floppy just has the boot and sysinstall stuff. Everything else downloads over the net or can be loaded on some other media such as tape or external disk and installed from there. You can create almost any kind of media if you can make it bootable and put stuff on it and boot from it and bring up sysinstall. But, I do not think you can put that on the slice you want to install to and then do a complete install there. Now, if you have FreeBSD running, you can upgrade it in place. Update and csup are all useful tools to learn for that. But, an initial install wants to be on some media other than where it will be installed. That is mostly because you build your disk filesystem as part of the installation. jerry Thanks! -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/bsd.rd-for-FreeBSD-install-tp22292723p22292723.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Root shell
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 09:55:39AM -0800, new_guy wrote: RW-15 wrote: On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:16:50 + Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: pdksh is statically linked and I don't know if bash is. It's a build option. Seems root should have a static shell always... otherwise, all bets are off as some of the shared libs may be inaccessible or damaged. So long as bash is statically linked and properly located, there should not be an issue. But most folks (linux users) aren't aware of the implications of dynamic linking and such. So it's probably best to 'just say no' to the OP's question. Leave root's shell alone unless you know what you're doing and bash is built appropriately. Well put. jerry -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Root-shell-tp22274005p22293187.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: bsd.rd for FreeBSD install'
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 06:19:57PM +, Ricardo Jesus wrote: new_guy wrote: You misunderstand. I want to install FreeBSD from a ramdisk image (bsd.rd). Is that possible? It's basically a small kernel that boots the machine, formats the hard drive, setups root and installs the operating system over ftp. If that's what you want I definitely misunderstood. Maybe someone of the list can give a hand and help you out. Wel, that is what a fixit image is - a boot to a ramdisk image. They call it md (memory disk) in FreeBSD land. Check man pages and some more stuff online at various sources. The only problem is that I don't know if the fixit includes sysinstall. You could try it. I would guess that the install image is build in memory too and runs from there rather than from the CD. So, it should be possible with some tinkering - if you have enough memory to run a sysinstall completely from memory. You would then pretty much need to do an install over the net - which you would probably do anyway. So, your big problem, if that works, is figuring out how to create that image booted in to the memory disk without some external media to start it with. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: bsd.rd for FreeBSD install
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 10:02:25AM -0800, new_guy wrote: You misunderstand. I want to install FreeBSD from a ramdisk image (bsd.rd). That is called md (memory disk) in FreeBSD land. Is that possible? It's basically a small kernel that boots the machine, formats the hard drive, setups root and installs the operating system over ftp. That is what sysinstall is, plus the boot. It is a program that builds the filesystems, sets up the system and loads everything on the disk.The big problem is how to boot and bring it up without any external media. I think some people have done it from network and second Hard drive boots as well as floppy and CD boots. jerry -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/bsd.rd-for-FreeBSD-install-tp22292723p22293310.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Root shell
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 03:50:29PM +0100, Sniper wrote: Hi! I heard that changing root shell to bash is not good idea, also programing in any C shell not applicable. So which shell is the most appropriate for root user ? You can get your tail in a crack if you boot to single user or another file system like /usr is not available./bin/csh (which on FreeBSD is the same as tcsh) is always available and a few things are written so they expect it. So, leave root alone. If you must lower yourself to bash, make another account and set its shell to bash. You can even make an alternate root and make it bash if you really must work in root. USe vipw and copy the toor line in the passwd file and change the name to something you like and the shell to bash and the home directory to /root/whatever. Then set the password for this account As root do: passwd whatever follow prompts. You must put the id name on the passwd command or it will change root instead. I am not necessarily recommending all this, but it is better tham changing the actual root account's shell. jerry Regards, Jurif ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Can sysinstall be run interactively to install onto a second drive?
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 09:43:54AM -0800, Peter Steele wrote: Can I run sysinstall on a live system, booted say from ad0 and use it to install a new OS onto a second drive, say ad1? I'm trying to do something like this: sysinstall configFile=install.cfg loadConfig where I have the target drive identified in the sysinstall script, but it doesn't seem to like what I'm trying to do. Basically what I need to do is given a FreeBSD distribution, I want an automated procedure I can run on a system to build a new system with a specific set of packages and other customizations we need. We have this setup now using a PXE boot server, but I'd like something I can run interactively that doesn't require a boot server. If I understand you, I think the answer is yes. You can certainly start sysinstall on a running system. The only thing you can't do is have it write to mounted disk space. I don't think that is your intent, so there should be no problem. Just be careful when you specifiy devices to write to. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: a strange question about OSs
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 03:17:44PM +0200, Reko Turja wrote: -- From: Redd Vinylene reddvinyl...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:55 AM To: questions questi...@freebsd.org Subject: Re: a strange question about OSs On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Valentin Bud valentin@gmail.comwrote: Hello Community, The following question may sound very ackward but was OS is suitable from the following list to replace FBSD: - OpenSUSE 10.3 - Debian 4.0 - CentOS 5 The company i work for wants to change the provider because of the economical crisis to save some money. The actual provider gave us the chance to install our OS but the one they chose as a replacement doesn't give any other choice besides the above mentioned. I work for 2 years in IT and FBSD is the only OS i have ever used in production. I like it and learned it a little bit. It is going to be a steep learning curve with the new OS which I'm not afraid of but i would like to chose a suitable OS and one that has some similarities with FBSD. thank you, v This confuses me a little. Wouldn't FreeBSD be the more economical route? I can't imagine saving money moving from FreeBSD to one of those listed. FreeBSD is free and seems to take less administration hours than those others. Certainly you do not gain anything in quality or reliability. Oh, I see in re-reading that it is not your company, but your potential new service provider that wants to force you to switch OS. Well, there is more than one way to gain economy. Switching to something inferior - of poorer service level is not a gain in economy. So, maybe you should try suggesting FreeBSD to that provider. All they need to do is insert the install CD in to the machine anyway.You can do the rest. jerry I doubt you'll find anything suitable after getting accustomed to FreeBSD. -- http://www.home.no/reddvinylene ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: desktop app/config
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:27:30AM -0500, Jean-Paul Natola wrote: Hi all, I'm replacing some machines and want to setup some stations in the library running FreeBSD- What is the easiest for an XP user to get accustomed to and what config do I need so that when the machine starts (power / boot) it will automatically launch the desktop gui The easiest way to get used to it is to just fully install the latest FreeBSD (that is 7.1 at the moment) RELEASE, update it to RELENG_7 or RELENG_7_1 so it has the latest patches. Install Xorg for Xwindows so you will have graphics. Then install a few handy ports from the /usr/ports tree. Some you will want are Firefox and Thunderbird and Openoffice, although you may want to install Openoffice from a binary package rather than from ports. Openoffice is very big and building it can be daunting for a newbie. Some other good candidates might be Apache and Perl and maybe a couple of games for fun. Then, just start using it. Learn to find things you need on the system. and configure the network securely. There is lots of documentation in the FreeBSD Handbook and other places online. The more you do it, the more they make sense. One thing to learn is using the vi(1) text editor. There are many other editors, but for system management, vi is the omnipresent, ubiquitious one. It is sometimes the only one available in times when bad things are happening.It feels rather clunky when you first start to use it but it quickly becomes second nature. The FreeBSD man page is pretty good on it. I have a web page that simplifies it a little at: http://z2.cl.msu.edu/~jerrymc/project/editvi/ There are a number of books available that help learning FreeBSD. FreeBSD Unleashed and Absolute BSD are a couple of them The FreeBSD Handbook which is online at the FreeBSD web site and is installed if you want it when FreeBSD is installed is quite good. The FreeBSD site also has other documents and links listed. At first, it will seem a little strange. Generally FreeBSD is command oriented, not pointy/clicky oriented. That is a much more powerful way to administer a system, but it takes more initial learning. Ask questions. People on the list have already heard all the common complaints and gripes that FreeBSD is not like MS-Win dozens of times. The usual response is Thank God or something similar. Anyway, they are not interested in hearing whines again. But, if you have a real question about 'how to do' something or even 'why is it done this way' and not just grousing, people on the list are usually very good about giving answers. List people are very interested in helping people learn, but not interested in people complaining. If it is a bug, post a pr. If it is a feature request, remember that FreeBSD is created and maintained by volunteers - very smart ones - but they have limits on time and resources so your request may take a very long time to get attention. You may well learn how to do it yourself and then submit it as an improvement before then. Good luck and have fun. jerry thanx ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: About FreeBSD hardware compatibility?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:15:37AM +0800, aaron lewis wrote: Hi, I'm a freebsd lovers , i wonna install fbsd7.1 to my laptop (IBM Thinkpad R400 a18). There's no available informations on laptop compatibility lists. So do you have any solutions to make a quick check if everything will work? I know Solaris has a Install_check tool which will give a list whether a hardware has solaris drivers ,third-part driver or not supported. Does Fbsd has something likely? Thk in advance! Here are some web pages to look at. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/laptop/index.html http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile http://tuxmobil.org/mobile_bsd.html In addition, the RELEASE notes section for each release of FreeBSD contains pages or hardware compatibility notes. Just look for the RELEASE and then the hardware compatibility links. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Assigning static ip address
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:38:02PM +0100, Nikolaj Thygesen wrote: Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: On Thursday 12 February 2009 6:00:04 pm Nikolaj Thygesen wrote: Could you plase configure your /etc/rc.conf file to something like this? ifconfig_ed0=inet 192.168.1.105 netmask 255.255.255.0 defaultrouter=192.168.1.1 Where defaultrouter is the IP of your dhcp server and tell me what happens? Regards When I do, I get: em0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 1500 options=19bRXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_MTU,VLAN_HWTAGGING,VLAN_HWCSUM,TSO4 ether 00:1b:21:1b:fd:bd inet6 fe80::21b:21ff:fe1b:fdbd%em0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 inet 192.168.1.105 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255 media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseTX full-duplex) status: active I still get no connectivity until i run dhclient em0 which gives me: em0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 1500 options=19bRXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_MTU,VLAN_HWTAGGING,VLAN_HWCSUM,TSO4 ether 00:1b:21:1b:fd:bd inet6 fe80::21b:21ff:fe1b:fdbd%em0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 inet 192.168.1.105 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255 inet 10.0.0.2 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 10.0.0.255 media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseTX full-duplex) status: active adding what I guess is called an alias 10.0.0.2 ip?!?! I'm not that much of an expert in these matters, and I'm a bit puzzled why, at first (before calling dhclient), it can't resolve addresses eventhough /etc/resolv.conf contains all my dns's. I think you need to turn off dhclient in /etc/rc.conf - or don't turn it on. Also, make sure your resolv.conf is correct and the default router is correctly set in /etc/rc.conf to your gateway address.It looks like your ifconfig might be correct, but either or both of resolv.conf or default router is wrong or dhclient is running and clobbering them. jerry br - N ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: recovering from a power outage
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 04:06:49PM -0800, David Newman wrote: What's the canonical method for checking ufs file systems on a FreeBSD 7.1/amd64 system after an unscheduled power outage? How about fsck jerry thanks dn ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: recovering from a power outage
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 05:16:53PM -0800, prad wrote: On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:45:18 -0800 David Newman dnew...@networktest.com wrote: do I need to boot into single-user mode, what filesystem(s) do I mount and how, what switches if any do I use with fsck and so on. i thought it happens in the background anyway. i don't recall having to do anything other than listen to the drive whirring away - and we've had many power outages! It does run in the background, but if you have time, it isn't a bad idea to run it in single user before bring the whole system back up in the circumstance of a catastrophic failure like a power outage. jerry -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 06:31:42PM -0800, Chris Knight wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Constantin Stalzer constantinstal...@web.de wrote: Hello, can you please remove all search results with the name Constantin Stalzer immediately, so that my name will not be seen on google. thanks in advance...pleasseee Thanks, Greeetz Dear Mr Stalzer, I am sorry to inform you that the very act of sending an email to this list asking for the removal of your name from search results has, in fact, sent the original posting to the top of the Google rankings when searching for Constantin Stalzer. http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Constantin+Stalzer%22hl=enclient=firefox-arls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialhs=MLkfilter=0 At this point, the cat is out of the bag; as we say. By sending an email to this list, your request was not only sent to thousands if individuals, but it was displayed on the pages of countless websites where the content of this mailing list is redisplayed for public access. Those pages will also be indexed by Google over time, raising the Google-Awareness of your name to even higher levels. It would not be absolutely impossible to reverse this process, but I fear it would take an actual act of the Gods. Alas, I can offer no useful advice on how to remove Constantin Stalzer from the search results, and I would be shocked if anyone else could help either. It is simply too late. I am sorry. A useful and helpful response. If after making this type of helpful response, then you went on to comment that trying to picture the process of trying to remove all references that included the name is kind of a funny image, it would not be a dig at the person and their lack of knowledge, but at the image of the impossible quest. jerry -Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 01:29:34PM -0800, Chris Knight wrote: Damn, that is the funniest thing I have seen in years. You might try posting a helpful response instead of trying to be insulting. You might explain to the person, who apparently does not understand the net, that it would be impossible to remove all references with his name because within minutes of it being posted to the list it is mirrored and archived in many many places over which the list manager has no control - in fact does not even know about. One example of those is Google. FreeBSD has no control over what Google stores. But, there are many other sites that input this stuff, mung it according to their interests and make it available on the net. jerry -Chris On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Constantin Stalzer constantinstal...@web.de wrote: Hello, can you please remove all search results with the name Constantin Stalzer immediately, so that my name will not be seen on google. thanks in advance...pleasseee Thanks, Greeetz __ Deutschlands größte Online-Videothek schenkt Ihnen 12.000 Videos!* http://entertainment.web.de/de/entertainment/maxdome/index.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please remove all search results with name Constantin Stalzer
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 04:33:26PM -0800, Chris Knight wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 01:29:34PM -0800, Chris Knight wrote: Damn, that is the funniest thing I have seen in years. You might try posting a helpful response instead of trying to be insulting. I wasn't trying to be insulting. I was trying to be funny. Apparently, you don't know the difference; which is in fact an insult in case you think I was trying to be funny. To make fun of someone's ignorance is not humorous. It is offensive and small. jerry -Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Shrink a Slice? FreeBSD 7.1
On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 12:19:13PM -0800, perikillo wrote: Hi people. I have been googling without any good info about: How to shrink a slice? Case: I installed a new server for mysql, is working, I already install all the ports I need, them I spend a lot of hours yesterday with this baby, now this is my current disk layout: /dev/ad0s1a on / (ufs, local, noatime, soft-updates) devfs on /dev (devfs, local) /dev/ad0s1f on /tmp (ufs, local, noatime, soft-updates) /dev/ad0s1d on /usr (ufs, local, noatime, soft-updates) /dev/ad0s1e on /var (ufs, local, noatime, soft-updates) /dev/ad0s1g on /backups (ufs, local, soft-updates) What I want to do is to shrink the slice /dev/ad0s1g /dev/ad0s1g is a partition, not a slice. /dev/ad0s1 is the slice. MicroSloth usage of the terms is different and confuses people sometimes. As far as I know neither growfs(8) nor tunefs(8) can shrink the disk allocated to a partition. The only way is to dump each of the filesystems to some other reliable media (maybe tape or a large USB disk) and then repartition that slice to be the sizes you want.Use dump(8) to make the dumps and then check the dump files out before starting the repartitioning. First you have to build a filesystem on the USB drive. You should be able to use bsdlabel to create a single partition that covers the whole drive. But, if your FreeBSD or BIOS is old enough it might not go that big, so you will need to break it down in to smaller slices and make a partition in each. (I have had to do that. But if it is 7.xx it should not be necessary) To break it up, get the gparted utility. Download its boot image and use it to break up the USB disk in to slices that your FreeBSD will handle. You need to have it make all what it calls (in the MS way) Primary Partitions, but those are what are called slices in FreeBSD land. Don't get tempted to use gparted to shrink your ad0s1 slice because it will not work right. That will just trash the current partitions. It is not what you are looking for. Either if your FreeBSD will handle the whole USB or after you have it broken up, then build a partition on each slice of the USB using bsdlabel. Don't make it bootable or write a boot sector on it. Then run newfs(8) on it to make a filesystem. This bsdlabel and newfs can be done while the system is running. Then, take the system down and run the dumps.You can do the dumps from single user mode or boot a fixit image from the install CD. You will need to do the repartitioning and restore the dumps from the fixit anyway so you could just start there. Boot the machine from the fixit disk - create a 'holographic' image as they call it. Fixit is usually on disc1. Run the dumps. Lets say you are doing the dumps to a USB drive that comes up as /dev/da0 in the fixit boot and your current disk still is comes up with the name /dev/ad0 . First, make up mount points for all your filesystems that you want to dump plus for the filesystem[s] on the USB drive. NOTE: That the fixit runs from a memory resident filesystem so whatever you create there will disappear on boot. Anyway, skip dumping /tmp and /dev is a pretend filesystem. mkdir /oldroot mkdir /oldusr mkdir /oldvar mkdir /oldbkup mkdir /usbdrive (You can actually make the dumps from the devices rather than mounting them, but I have never gotten in to that habit) Mount those partitions mount /dev/ad0s1a /oldroot mount /dev/ad0s1d /oldusr mount /dev/ad0s1e /oldvar mount /dev/ad0s1g /oldbkup mount /dev/da0s1 /usbdrive(This device name might be different depending on how you make it. Some possibilities are: /dev/da0s1If you just newfs the slice without making a partition in it /dev/da0s1a If you make a slice with fdisk and a partition with bsdlabel /dev/da0aIf you make a partition with bsdlabel without making a slice Now do the dumps dump 0af /usbdrive/rootdump /oldroot dump 0af /usbdrive/usrdump /oldusr dump 0af /usbdrive/vardump /oldvar dump 0af /usbdrive/bkupdump /oldbkup This will take a while depending on media you use. By the way, to tape it would go to /dev/nsa0 rather than /usbdrive/oldroot, etc Once the dumps are done, you may want to reboot and mount that USB drive or read the tape and look at the dumps to make sure they can be read. Just a precaution. At least you will need to unmount all the partitions so bsdlabel can work on them Anyway, once you are happy with your dumps, then get back in to the fixit and use bsdlabel to rewrite the partitions. Just bsdlabel -e ad0s1 (You should not need to write a new boot block as this process should not touch that sector) Adjust the partitions as you see fit. Make partition 'a' start at offset of 0 and use a '*' for the rest of the offsets. bsdlabel will calculate them correctly. You can also make the size of the last partition be '*' and bsdlabel will put the remainder of the usable space in it.
Re: Using Serial Port Other Than sio0 for the Console
On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 08:45:46AM +0100, Martin Schweizer wrote: Hello Tim I did what in the handbook under article 26.6.5.2. is described but not shure how I can write a new boot block to the disk. Here is what I think is correct: Output from df and bsdlabel mfid0s1: # df -h Filesystem SizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/mfid0s1a989M378M532M42%/ devfs1.0K1.0K 0B 100%/dev /dev/mfid0s1d989M 16K910M 0%/tmp /dev/mfid0s1f388G2.6G354G 1%/usr /dev/mfid0s1e182G 43M167G 0%/var # /dev/mfid0s1: 8 partitions: #size offsetfstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] a: 209715204.2BSD 2048 16384 28528 b: 8388608 2097152 swap c: 12460816620unused0 0 # raw part, don't edit d: 2097152 104857604.2BSD 2048 16384 28528 e: 394264576 125829124.2BSD 2048 16384 28528 f: 839234174 4068474884.2BSD 2048 16384 28528 My opinion is: bsdlabel -B mfid0s1 What has this all got to do with the Subject? Subject: Re: Using Serial Port Other Than sio0 for the Console Please don't hijack threads. Start a new one if you have something to ask. jerry Is that correct? Regards, Am Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 05:03:12PM +0100 Martin Schweizer schrieb: Probably I find the problem. I did not read care enough the article 26.6.5.2. I will try it asap (in the next few days). I will keep you updated. Am Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 12:09:28PM -0700 Tim Judd schrieb: On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Martin Schweizer lists_free...@bluewin.ch wrote: I want to use sio1 for console access. I read chapter 26.6 in the handbook and did the following: /boot.config: -P /boot/device.hints: [snip] hint.sio.0.at=isa hint.sio.0.port=0x3F8 ### hint.sio.0.flags=0x10 hint.sio.0.irq=4 hint.sio.1.at=isa hint.sio.1.port=0x2F8 hint.sio.1.flags=0x10 hint.sio.1.irq=3 [snip] My custom kernel: [snip] device sio [snip] /var/run/dmesg.boot: [snip] sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0: port may not be enabled sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0: port may not be enabled sio0: 16550A-compatible COM port port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on acpi0 sio0: type 16550A sio0: [FILTER] sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1: port may not be enabled sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1: port may not be enabled sio1: 16550A-compatible COM port port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 flags 0x10 on acpi0 sio1: type 16550A, console sio1: [FILTER] [snip] /etc/ttys: [snip] ttyd0 /usr/libexec/getty std.9600 vt100 on secure ttyd1 /usr/libexec/getty std.9600 vt100 on secure ttyd2 /usr/libexec/getty std.9600 vt100 on secure ttyd3 /usr/libexec/getty std.9600 vt100 on secure [snip] The baud rate etc. are correct as well (the standard settings). The problem is I get no connection. I'm sure that my terminal works correct because I can connect other FreeBSD sever over the serial cable but not the above. Any ideas? Kind regards, -- Martin Schweizer off...@pc-service.ch PC-Service M. Schweizer GmbH; Bannholzstrasse 6; CH-8608 Bubikon Tel. +41 55 243 30 00; Fax: +41 55 243 33 22; http://www.pc-service.ch; public key : http://www.pc-service.ch/pgp/public_key.asc; fingerprint: EC21 CA4D 5C78 BC2D 73B7 10F9 C1AE 1691 D30F D239; Surprised nobody's really responded. Enabling serial logins on ttyd1 (COM2 in Microsoft terms) is on -- it's defined in your ttys. The guaranteed enabling is to restart, but I've heard that sigHUP init will reread ttys and enable logins (but I hadn't got that to work yet). Enabling serial as your console output (in terms of the boot process and everything) should be, if available, enabled in /boot/loader.conf There doesn't seem to be a setting to enable COM2 as your console device, the only options (by reading through /boot/defaults/loader.conf) is to enable comconsole, which runs over COM1 You would likely have to hack the bootloader files in source and reinstall to get that kind of functionality. Does this help? let me know if you want more help. I like enabling serial console for the fact that you can get into out-of-bounds management this way easily. --Tim ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org --
Re: Using Serial Port Other Than sio0 for the Console
On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 06:01:46PM +0100, Martin Schweizer wrote: Hello Jerry don't edit d: 2097152 104857604.2BSD 2048 16384 28528 e: 394264576 125829124.2BSD 2048 16384 28528 f: 839234174 4068474884.2BSD 2048 16384 28528 My opinion is: bsdlabel -B mfid0s1 What has this all got to do with the Subject? Subject: Re: Using Serial Port Other Than sio0 for the Console Please don't hijack threads. Start a new one if you have something to ask. In the article 26.6.5.2. in the handbook you will find the answer. If you want to use another sio port (COM2 im my case) for serial communications you need to write the boot blocks new. I do not use bsdlabel often so I want to cross check that I'm on the right way. Regards, Ah, interesting,I didn't get the connection. jerry Is that correct? Regards, Am Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 05:03:12PM +0100 Martin Schweizer schrieb: Probably I find the problem. I did not read care enough the article 26.6.5.2. I will try it asap (in the next few days). I will keep you updated. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: short-changed on SD card?
On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 07:37:05AM -0500, William Bulley wrote: According to Mike Jeays mike.je...@rogers.com on Mon, 02/02/09 at 19:38: I think I would try dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/da1 bs=1M without the count option, and see how many blocks it writes. You at least start with a clean slate, and can run fdisk and newfs, if you want a BSD-only device. Make sure you write on the right device! So you don't think the bad card reader suggestion is relevant? It is another thing to check. I will also try this approach. Thanks for all the feedback. Now, I've got some avenues of testing to work through. Later... Doing the dd has two nice possibilities. One, it might just clear the device up and two, it might give some information about the honest size.This is assuming, of course, that the problem is not the card reader. jerry Regards, web... -- William Bulley Email: w...@umich.edu ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: zfs root partition boot?
On Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 04:04:38PM -0700, Tim Judd wrote: On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Omer Faruk Sen omerf...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Can I use zfs on / using FreeBSD 7.1? I also use http://people.freebsd.org/~rse/mirror/http://people.freebsd.org/%7Erse/mirror/script to create mirror is there such a a tool for ZFS to use on Fbsd 7.1? Regards. Are you sure you want to do this? ZFS is still marked an experimental feature last time I checked; and if FreeBSD decides to kill ZFS support, you'll be stuck with a unbootable disk. That doesn't make sense. Just because they might terminate upgrade support for it in some future version doesn't mean the disk will suddenly become unreadable.Just as in any upgrade that involves a change from one file system to another, you may have to dump the stuff on the old one and read it in to the new one if you do the upgrade. But the old one will not magically stop working. You will be able to recover your data from the old system. I'd stick with the more mature, tested methods like gmirror or gvinum. Nothing beats a hardware raid though. Although ZFS is probably more mature than you are making it sound here, it is true that gmirror is becoming very reliable and servicable. So, either will probably work. Your choice depends on what you want to accomplish. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: short-changed on SD card?
On Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 12:56:19PM -0500, William Bulley wrote: According to Mel fbsd.questi...@rachie.is-a-geek.net on Mon, 02/02/09 at 12:46: On Monday 02 February 2009 07:52:44 William Bulley wrote: Recently purchased a brand new 2.0 GB secure digital (SD) card. When I plugged this into a USB dongle and plugged the USB dongle into an available USB socket on my FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE system the output from dmesg(8) reported this: da1: 960MB (1967616 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 960C) This is much closer to 1.0 GB than 2.0 GB so I at once wondered if I had been scammed in my purchase of this brand new SD card. Once I'd mounted /dev/da1s1 on /mnt, the df(1) command also reported 960 MB. I then copied a 300+ megabyte file onto /mnt and then ran the df(1) command again. This time it reported 1.9 GB total and 1.6 GB available. WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? Am I going crazy? On a hunch, it's really 1G FAT, 1G HFS (mac). You could reformat it using fdisk/newfs. That might be a good hunch, but the SD card itself just says 2.0 GB on the outside - no mention there or when I purchased it to have any Mac-ness. I don't recall seeing anything Mac-ish when I ran the fdisk(8) command as % fdisk da1 The output then seemed to correctly reflect that partition (slice) one (1) was 960 MB in size. I tried later (once the system had recovered and the fsck(8) had finished) to use fdisk(8) to put 1920 MB into slice one. But that didn't seem to work. I marked all the other three slices as UNUSED. Is there any trick to using fdisk(8) that is hidden in the man page which I evidently missed? I used the -i flag and it led me by the had through each slice - I thought I did the right thing, but I was never able to mount(8) the SD card after that, even though dmesg(8) reported da1 as being there. I kept getting invalid parameter or the like when I tried mounting as I am used to: # mount_msdosfs -l /dev/da1s1 /mnt I also tried: # mount_msdosfs -l /dev/da1 /mnt But both versions failed. Finally, in desperation, I formatted the SD card on a Windows XP laptop. Windows put it back into FAT shape (using the low level - not the quick - format there) and gave it 960 MB, sigh... :-( I am a little lost here and haven't tried a lot on USB devices yet - though I haven't had these kind of problems. But, after doing the fdisk stuff and before trying to mount, did you do a newfs? Another thing would be to try the old dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/da1 bs=512 count=1024 and see if it will write to it and wipe enough stuff to free it up. Up the count if you think it makes any difference. jerry Regards, web... -- William Bulley Email: w...@umich.edu ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: short-changed on SD card?
On Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 02:27:20PM -0500, William Bulley wrote: According to Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu on Mon, 02/02/09 at 14:12: I am a little lost here and haven't tried a lot on USB devices yet - though I haven't had these kind of problems. But, after doing the fdisk stuff and before trying to mount, did you do a newfs? Another thing would be to try the old dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/da1 bs=512 count=1024 and see if it will write to it and wipe enough stuff to free it up. Up the count if you think it makes any difference. Thanks. According to the newfs(8) man page it is used only for BSD style file systems (ufs and ufs2). I am okay with the FAT16 formatted SD card, I'm just upset that I paid for a 2.0 GB card and ended up with what seems to be a 1.0 GB card. I would be happy if I could make the SD card look like this: slice 1 2.0 GB (well, 1920 MB if you insist) slice 2 UNUSED slice 3 UNUSED slice 4 UNUSED And I thought I had done just that using fdisk(8). But I must have gotten some of the beg and end paramaters set up wrong. OK.I thought you were trying to make a FreeBSD type slice on it, thus the newfs thought. It won't mount if it isn't newfsed and is FreeBSD type. I suppose FreeBSD's fdisk will make MS types, but have never tried it. But, if it will, then it will also do it after wiping the device with dd. After doing that, you should be able to just tell it to turn all the space on the drive in to one slice of whatever type it will handle. jerry If the card is indeed 2.0 GB in size, and following in the style of the originally reported parameters of this card: da1: 960MB (1967616 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 960C) that is, 64 heads, 32 sectors per track, and 960 cylinders, (this evidently from what the BIOS reports and understands) I had assumed that I could merely increase the cylinder count up to 1920 and leave the head and sector information as it was. But as I said earlier, this didn't seem to work. I know I have to leave room at the beginning for the MBR or the like, but the tools are either too low level, or too high level, or my understanding of all this is not up to speed. Why can't an SD card advertised (and sold) as a 2.0 GB card actually hold (approximately) 2.0 GB? That is what bugs me... I believe that FAT16 is capable of addressing a 2.0 GB disk drive, yes? Regards, web... -- William Bulley Email: w...@umich.edu ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ISOs
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 02:35:25PM -0300, Mario Lobo wrote: -Mensagem original- De: IT2 Stuart Blake Tener, USNR Enviada em: 29/01/2009 13:50:32 Para: Assunto: ISOs Dear Sir or Ma'am: I have tried to search Google and that, but probably am not using t he right conglomerate of keywords to find what I want to know, so I am resigned to asking you. I recently noticed that there are quite a number of DVDs and CD-ROM= s out for FreeBSD, and I'd like to give it a try. So I downloaded the amd 64-all torrent, but I fear I likely have more ISOs than I need. Does the dvd1 include the contents of the docs? What are all the other ISOs? I saw no documentation on the freebsd.org site descriptive what I a= m asking. 7.1-RELEASE-amd64-bootonly.iso 7.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso 7.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc2.iso 7.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc3.iso 7.1-RELEASE-amd64-docs.iso 7.1-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso 7.1-RELEASE-amd64-livefs.iso Thanks in advance, and have a blessed day. Basically, if you have a good enough internet connection (reliable, stays up) so you can do the bulk of the install over the network, then all you really need is the ...disc1.iso CD. If your net connection is unreliable, then you might wan disc2 and disc3. jerry -- Very Respectfully, IT2 Stuart Blake Tener, USNR Las Vegas, NV / Beverly Hills, CA / Philadelphia, PA / Washington,DC Amateur Radio Call Sign: N3GWG (Extra) / Marine Radio Operator Perm it (MROP) email: ten...@bh90210.net (also carbon copies to my Blackberry) phone: +(1) 310.358.0202 (Beverly Hills, CA, forwards to mobile pho ne) phone: +(1) 215.338.6005 (Philadelphia, PA, voice mail only) E-Fax: +(1) 928.437.4505 (Telecopier, fax to email gateway) Military emails (checked monthly until remote NMCI access is secured) NIPRNET: stuart.te...@navy.mil NIPRNET: stuart.b.te...@us.army.mil NRO: ten...@nro.mil TS/SCI: tener...@nro.ic.gov (GWAN) Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments,= is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confi dential and/or privileged information, though strictly at the UNCLASSIFIED level. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibi ted. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by re ply e-mail and destroy all copies of the originate message. Hi there Stuart; Here are the basic descriptions; 7.1-RELEASE-amd64-bootonly.iso - Very small iso. Just enough to boot FBSD but no enough for repairs on= a damaged install. 7.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso 7.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc2.iso 7.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc3.iso 7.1-RELEASE-amd64-docs.iso All of the above are CDROM isos. #1 is the install CD and the o= thers are the packages spreaded. 7.1-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso - all of the 4 above in 1 DVD. No need to switch discs during the install. 7.1-RELEASE-amd64-livefs.iso - This is the CD required for a fixit session. In my opinion, I´d grab the 7.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso. Install the = minimum needed for network to work and the ports, then install all the pack= ages you need from the ports. I hope this helps. Best wishes, Mario Lobo __= _ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@fre ebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Looking for a Good FreeBSD and General Unix Backup System
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 07:52:40PM -0500, Jaime wrote: On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: dump is perfect. period. Is it possible to pull out individual files? A fellow sysadmin asked me that years ago and I didn't have an answer for him. Very easily.Just use restore -i Usually when I do that, I make a special direcory to receive things. (I usually call it 'unroll') That way I can put what I want there and then move it to where I want to, even if it is different from where it originally was. jerry Thanks, Jaime ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Adding partitions to gmirror device
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:04:11PM -0500, Vladislav Sekulic wrote: Hi! I'm running FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE on a couple of Sun X2100 servers, each with 2X 250GB SATA drives that I've established a gmirror(8) over, following the instructions in section 19.4 of the Handbook. Now, one of the machines, being transformed into a webserver, needs a separate, newly created /var/www partition (its current partitions only take up 27G of the total ~238G available). My dilemma is -- how do I add another partition without hosing the system? It seems to me that there is no other way than to destroy the gmirror, create the new partition, then re-create the gmirror. The issue is how to proceed in a safe manner, without destroying any data or causing undue hassle (time is of the essence, as always). My draft plan is as follows, with ad4 and ad6 being the component drives: $ sudo gmirror deactivate gm0 /dev/ad6 $ sudo gmirror deactivate gm0 /dev/ad4 $ sudo gmirror remove gm0 /dev/ad6 $ sudo gmirror remove gm0 /dev/ad4 I believe this would result in all metadata associated with the gmirror to be wiped, and hence the gmirror to be destroyed, based on my potentially faulty reading of the manpage. Then edit fstab to restore the ``/dev/mirror/gm0s1?'' entries to their corresponding ``/dev/ad4s1?'' entries reboot. Afterwards, would run ``bsdlabel -e ad4'', then newfs, and finally, redo the gmirror sequence (following the steps in section 19.4 of the handbook, as before). Am I missing any critical steps here, or have any redundant steps? Or just not getting it? I may be confused here, but I think you are making too many steps rather than missing some.But, partly my problem is that I do not have the whole picture of what you have currently set up. First of all, you say that you have allocated 27GB of 238GB available. Is that 238GB in the existing slice - gm0s1 or is it outside of that slice? (NOTE, the 's' in the device name stands for slice - so it is slice 1 of a possible 4). It could be helpful if you posted you /etc/fstab file and also what is printed if you do:bsdlabel gm0s1 or, if it is what they call 'dangerously dedicated' do: bsdlabel gm0 If it is all in that gmos1 slice, then just use bsdlabel on that slice to add the rest to another partition within that slice. Just boot from something other than that mirror, make sure nothing in gm0 is mounted and then do: bsdlabel -e gm0s1 and fix it up as needed. If you are getting the terminology mixed and it is not in that slice, it depends on how you want your disk built. If there is no slice and it is what some call 'dangerously dedicated', then run bsdlabel on gm0 rather than gm0s1 (eg bsdlabel -e gm0). From your comments above, it sounds like you have made a slice on it. But, seeing fstab and the output of bsdlabel would help figure it out. jerry Thank you for any pointers! Vlad P.S. Is it possible to operate directly on the gm0 device, i.e., to create a partition using it rather than destroying the entire gmirror? -- Vladislav Sekulic Research Computing System Administrator Systems and Networks Research Group Dept. of Computer Science, University of Toronto http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~pocsys ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Adding partitions to gmirror device
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 01:49:36PM -0500, Vladislav Sekulic wrote: Thanks, Wojciech and Jerry, for your help. Quoting Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu: First of all, you say that you have allocated 27GB of 238GB available. Is that 238GB in the existing slice - gm0s1 or is it outside of that slice? (NOTE, the 's' in the device name stands for slice - so it is slice 1 of a possible 4). It's 27GB used within the existing slice; gm0s1 spans the entire disk. It could be helpful if you posted you /etc/fstab file and also what is printed if you do:bsdlabel gm0s1 or, if it is what they call 'dangerously dedicated' do: bsdlabel gm0 $ sudo bsdlabel /dev/mirror/gm0s1 # /dev/mirror/gm0s1: 8 partitions: #size offsetfstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] a: 104857604.2BSD 2048 16384 8 b: 8320016 1048576 swap c: 4883759370unused0 0 # raw part, don't edit d: 2097152 93685924.2BSD 2048 16384 28528 e: 10485760 114657444.2BSD 2048 16384 28528 f: 41943040 219515044.2BSD 2048 16384 28528 OK. Based on this you can just do thebsdlabel -e /dev/mirror/gm0s1 as root (or from the fixit) and then, right after the definition of the 'f:' partition make an 'h:' partition with '*' as both size and offset. eg. h: ** 4.2BSD 2048 16384 28528 Write and exit from the edit session and then newfs the new partition and fix up your /etc/fstab - the real one, not the fixit one so it will mount where you want it - don't forget to make the mount point. It should work just fine. Note, that when you are running from the fixit, it makes a filesystem in memory and mounts that as root (/). Your real root from the disk will probably be in /dev/mirror/gm0s1a so you will need to make a mount point in the memory root, let's say /tmproot and mount to that and then edit that fstab.eg Boot from fixit - get that holographic shell going bsdlabel -e /dev/mirror/gm0s1 Do the editing, write and quit mkdir /tmproot mount -w /dev/mirror/gm0s1a /tmproot cd /tmproot/etc vi fstab fix it up, write and quit Pull the CD, reboot and things should be just fine. My only concern is, I have never used the fixit on a mirror. I presume it should look just the same, but who knows, it might have a different looking address.I hope the gmirror stuff works on the fixit. If not, you will need to make a boot on something else - another hard disk with a full system. jerry If it is all in that gmos1 slice, then just use bsdlabel on that slice to add the rest to another partition within that slice. Just boot from something other than that mirror, make sure nothing in gm0 is mounted and then do: bsdlabel -e gm0s1 and fix it up as needed. Great, makes sense. I'll boot from the FreeBSD livecd and do this. Thanks again! Vlad -- Vladislav Sekulic Research Computing System Administrator Systems and Networks Research Group Dept. of Computer Science, University of Toronto http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~pocsys ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Backup program on FreeBSD for DLT drive
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 08:06:43AM +0100, bsd wrote: Yes, This is probably the one I'll go for? There is a good hack described in the O'Reilly BSD hacks to setup Bacula? I don't understand. Why hack when dump already works just right? jerry I'll consider this article as a starting point? Thank you very much folks. Le 23 janv. 09 à 04:21, Geoff Fritz a écrit : On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 08:30:56PM +0100, bsd wrote: Hello, I am using a FreeBSD server 7.0 as a Samba server and wanted to backup this server using Quantum DLT tape. I would need a simple tool that could be configured rapidl at that's stable enough to provide high security for the data. Ideally any good pointer to a howto would be a must! I've had success with Bacula for a small office file server (FreeBSD) and Windows clients clients. It supports SSL for the data transfer (if the client and server are not the same machine), as well as data encryption: http://www.bacula.org/en/dev-manual/Data_Encryption.html I haven't used the encryption myself. Bacula has a bit of a learning curve to set up corretly, but I really enjoy its use once it it set up correctly. -- Geoff Gregober --- PGP ID -- 0x1BA3C2FD bsd @at@ todoo.biz P Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dell 2900 invalid partition table
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:50:41PM +0100, Len Conrad wrote: freebsd 7.1 Dell 2900, perc 6/i controller with 4 SATA disks in RAID1. We get all the through the disc1 install, reboot, arrive up to Press ctrl-E for remote access setup within 5 secs then die with Invalid partition table We had RAID5, same problem, switch to RAID1. suggestions? Is your BIOS set to boot from the right device - the raid and not the one of the disks in it??? Boot sequence says 1. drive c: Hmmm. That could be the problem. Do any of the other choices look interesting? controller disk setup shows RAID1 ready. I've looked everywhere to see if I can point the boot at RAID1. I don't have a machine handy right now so I can look and see how I set the BIOS (which was almost 2 years ago, so my memory of foggy). They are a 9 hour drive away. But, I did manage to get it. There was a difference. The drives in the raid were SAS.It doesn't seem like that should matter, but... jerry Thanks, Len ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
