Re: Reinstall without reformat
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:01:02 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Polytropon wrote: On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:24:30 -0400, Kenta Suzumoto wrote: Hi all. Is it possible to install FreeBSD without formatting the disk? Yes. The installer supports not formatting existing partitions. The file system characteristica will be kept, possible content will overwritten. Note that superfluous content will also be kept, except of course you previously remove everything. sysinstall supported that, but AFAIK bsdinstall does not. Oh, seems you're right. I've checked The FreeBSD Handbook for the relevant instructions for using bsdinstall at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html and http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-final-warning.html and I didn't find an option to _not_ initialize existing partitions, even though it seems you can assign existing partitions without any problem. The remaining question: Will they be initialized again? I know that sysinstall had the option newfs toggle so you could skip the newfs step after you had assigned the existing partitions to the desired mountpoints. It can be seen at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/install-steps.html in Fig. 3.19 and 3.24. I have to admit that I didn't assume such a significant loss of functionality (that sysinstall provided!) in the new installer... :-( That's why maybe manually extracting the distribution files from the installation media, using the CLI tools, would probably the easiest thing: Manually mount existing partitions as desired, then extract the installation datasets, and apply any further modifications as needed. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... OR Disconnect power line of existing HDD to be reinstalled . Attach another HDD or drive , for example USB stick . Perform a fresh install on the new unit . After verifying that the new install is working properly , Shutdown the computer , attach power of previous HDD , mount it , copy all of the new files from freshly installed unit into previous HDD, Shutdown the computer , Disconnect newly installed unit , Restart the computer . It is very likely that your previous HDD will work as like newly installed . OR Do the reverse : From previous HDD , copy all of the required files to the new HDD . Disconnect previous HDD or unit . Continue with the new HDD or unit . If the previous HDD is not bootable , it is necessary to continue with the new HDD . I am applying the second kind of steps for all my new installs . In that way nothing is broken , even there is no back up of the files because nothing applied to the existing HDD . The cost of this operation is to have a spare disk or a USB stick having sufficient capacity . Personally I am not using USB sticks for such operations because they may fail unexpectedly . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NFS file modes consistency among different operating systems
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:28 AM, aurfalien aurfal...@gmail.com wrote: When a file is modified by a user , Whats that users umask? - aurf 755 Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NFS file modes consistency among different operating systems
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:32 AM, aurfalien aurfal...@gmail.com wrote: When a file is modified by a user Also curious whats that users group? - aurf Linux user a: 1000 in group :1000 group n id : 1001 ( member : a ) FreeBSD : user b : 1001 in group 1001 NFS Server : group id : 1000 User a is not able to use files created or modified by user b , and vice versa . Users a and b are not able to use or modify files created or modified by Windows XP user . There is no any restriction for the Windows XP user . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
NFS file modes consistency among different operating systems
Dear All , I have NFS 3 in FreeBSD 9.1 amd64 . The clients are FreeBSD , Linux , Windows XP through Samba on the same files . The Windows XP is able to access , use and modify files created or modified by any other operating system user . In contrary , FreeBSD and Linux users are NOT able to such sharing because files are created by another user and access mode settings are not changeable due to owner of files . It is very likely that some settings are missing but I do not know which ones . One remedy is to use NFS server in root logged state and change file modes frequently ( An ordinary user in server is NOT permitted to change modes of files created by other users although exported directories owned by such a user ) . How can I solve the following problem : No any client should be able to change file modes set in server All files created by client should inherit modes set in server directory . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NFS file modes consistency among different operating systems
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 11:53 PM, aurfalien aurfal...@gmail.com wrote: From your non MS$ clients, open a shell and type umask, what returns? Sounds like your default umask needs changing is all. I would suggest going with a umask of 775 and ensuring all ppl requiring mod access be group members of what you have settled on. - aurf On Sep 16, 2013, at 8:41 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: Dear All , I have NFS 3 in FreeBSD 9.1 amd64 . The clients are FreeBSD , Linux , Windows XP through Samba on the same files . The Windows XP is able to access , use and modify files created or modified by any other operating system user . In contrary , FreeBSD and Linux users are NOT able to such sharing because files are created by another user and access mode settings are not changeable due to owner of files . It is very likely that some settings are missing but I do not know which ones . One remedy is to use NFS server in root logged state and change file modes frequently ( An ordinary user in server is NOT permitted to change modes of files created by other users although exported directories owned by such a user ) . How can I solve the following problem : No any client should be able to change file modes set in server All files created by client should inherit modes set in server directory . Linux umask : 0002 FreeBSD umask : 0022 Changing client umask to 775 is not solving the problem , because in NFS server , they are setting their own modes without considering existing umask . When a file is modified by a user , the other users in FreeBSD and Linux are not able to access to these files even their umask values are 775 . The Linux user is defined in groups 1000 and 1001 but this is also not permitting access to files modified by other users whether their group is 1000 or 1001 . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Glen Peterson from Wisconsin. Some questions
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:56 PM, peterso...@aol.com wrote: Dear Sir: I have been thinking about installing your FreeBSD onto some of my extra PC's that I have laying around, just to see what that Unix OS can do on my PC. I have a few questions, though, before I order your Install Disk to do that. I spoke to your receptionist there on 30 July, and she suggested that I write to you with my detailed questions before I went ahead an purchased your well-recommended OS: 1. I have a Dell Dimension 3000 PC with a 32-bit Intel processor in it. It has 2G's of RAM, and a 250GB hard drive under Windows OS, currently. I use A.T.T. as my ISP and I have a DSL line supplied by A.T. T. May I install your OS onto an external 80 GB Seagate Barracuda ATA IV Model ST380021A hard drive, and boot off of that into BSD and have it run on that Dell computer? The BIOS Chip seems to support external drives and USB sticks, since I have successfully used the later to boot this PC into Debian Linux. 2. Do you have a version of your free BSD program with a graphical user interface (like that seen on Mac's and Windows boxes) that will run on that same Dell Dimension 300, mentioned above? 3. How much does the install CD cost me, including shipping to the Milwaukee area, for the Free BSD OS that will run on said computer? 4. I have another PC at work that has a 32-bit AMD chip in it with 1GB RAM and 250 GB under Vista OS, currently. Do you likewise have a version of your latest Free BSD that will run on THIS machine in a graphical environment like that mentioned for the Dell computer above from the same external 80 GB Seagate hard drive? 5. Does the OS come with an application, like I have observed with some Linux distros, that enables me to get updates as they become available? Does your FreeBSD come with its own browser? If not, may I still connect to the web by some means to obtain a BSD-compatible browser (e.g., Firefox) that will run on this OS on either of the two computers above? Sincerely, Glen A. Peterson Cedarburg, Wisconsin (262) 780-1856 (W, C.D.T.)but OK to call there) peterso...@aol.com You may find very good and detailed answers in the FreeBSD Handbook : http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ and the following page may be utilized as a guide : http://www.freebsd.org/docs.html ( FreeBSD Documentation ) Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: UEFI Secure Boot
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 16:21:28 + (UTC), jb wrote: I hope FreeBSD (and other OSs) luminaries, devs and users will find a way not to harm themselves. A massive problem I (personally) have is that with Restricted Boot (this is what Secure Boot basically is) you are no longer able to _ignore_ MICROS~1 and their products. A restrictive boot loader mechanism that requires signed and confirmed keys, handled by a major offender of free decisions and a healthy market - no thanks. What prevents MICROS~1 from revoking keys of a possible competitor? Or from messing with the specs just that things start breaking? Don't get me wrong: I don't even argument that a mechanism where a competitor requires you to pay money to run _your_ software instead of _their_ software sounds horribly wrong. This approach will introduce a philosophical or even legal context to the technical problem. I see interesting chances in UEFI per se. It can be called a kind of micro-OS which can be rich on features that could also be useful. But history has shown that if such an infrastructure is provided, it will lead to bloated, insecure and incompatible implementations quickly, and the worst, it will happen at a very low level. This is simly dangerous. Regarding UEFI + Restricted Boot: To obtain MICROS~1's sticker of approval for hardware, vendors need to implement those features. Even worse, on _specific_ platforms, they are not allowed to make it possible to _remove_ those features, so on by default is required - if I remember correctly (Intel vs. ARM architectures). As you see, I try to ignore this whole topic as I am not interested in using it. In the past, this has been possible. When building a new system, buying a blank disk and _no_ Windows was particularly easy. For systems that already came with some Windows preinstalled, simply deleting the partition was a solution; install FreeBSD boot mechanism, initialize disk, and be done. No more dealing with what MICROS~1 seems to insist is normal. When _their_ product decisions make _me_ invest time to find a way to remove and ignore them, I feel offended. I would like to see a way UEFI hardware, with or without Restricted Boot, can be used with FreeBSD _without_ involving the good will of MICROS~1. But as they have already gotten their fingers everywhere, this doesn't seem to happen all too soon... :-( -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... To assume that UEFI with some magic numbers is a security provider with current hardware is only a day dream . Consider stolen security signing keys and other by-passing mechanisms . For me , I think , over time there will exist free , but really free operating systems which they are not enslaved themselves to some companies , and hardware ( mainly main boards ) which will not require such enslaving . Then , to do task is just plainly to switch to such hardware and software . Personally , I will never want to live under a restriction tried to be enforced by a company and blindly accepted by its followers . I think I am not the only one in the world . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: sleepycat db VS MySQL or postgres
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Jim Pazarena fqu...@paz.bz wrote: I have a rather extensive series of databases created and in use all with the very old sleepycat db3. I believe in the addage don't fix what ain't broken, but in the case of db3, it IS broken and my db files get corrupted on occasion. I could move to db5 or db6 OR MySQL, or even postgres. I use simple primary key files, most entries are added from a CLI or termcap/curses screen. Some programatically. With about the same number of sequential dumps vs indexed random reads. I have no experience with the c interface for postgres or mysql, but also, do not know how much the c interface has changed for sleepycat 5/6 compared to the c interface for db3, which I understand quite well. So I am prepared for a learning curve irrespective of which platform I select. Records do not exceed much more than 10-20,000, with key sizes not much wider than 16 bytes (ipv4), 13 (mac), 32 (ipv6). And various smaller key sizes. Suggestions would be very much appreciated. -- Jim Pazarena fqu...@paz.bz The following page may be useful : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_relational_database_management_systems MySQL is dropped from some Linux distributions due to its restrictions and replaced by MariaDB : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MariaDB Dropping of MySQL is continuing among Linux distributions for new releases . The PostgreSQL would be best choice : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostgreSQL I am not using any one of them , but my PhD ( in 1996 ) subject is A Multimedia Information Management System . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanlituk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: stack overflow
Making single variables a record and then passing that single record ( not by value , but by reference ) may reduce stack requirement . New stack size ( 20 * 1024 * 1024 ) may not be effective . There is a necessity to check that the new definition is accepted . There may be a large recursive call number to exhaust the stack . If there is such a recursive call , elimination of this recursive call may reduce the required stack size . If local data size is large , moving them into a record , and allocating that record in heap may reduce stack requirement . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 5:35 AM, Peter Laurie p.c.s.laurie...@cantab.netwrote: Hi I'm working on a program using FreeBSD v 1.7. This project has been going for years and has a lot of functions calls some using far more arguments than these. I've never seen this error before. I have one funct8ion that has suddenly refused to run because on the call I get a 'stack overflow' message. I'm passing a pointer to a structure and then 5 ints. Everything is fine, but I need to pass a bit more data. If I pass a sixth int I get the overflow message. I've increased the stack from the default 4096 to 20 * 1024 * 1024 without effect. Yours Peter Laurie -- Peter Laurie Office (44) 01305 871131 Home (44) 01305 871532 Voice messaging on both lines, but I don't often check it. Email is more reliable. Interested in Roman roads? Have a look at http://alsystems.algroup.co.** uk/archaeology http://alsystems.algroup.co.uk/archaeology Beneath the City Streets is on Google Books at http://books.google.com/books?**id=zAf-uwRCdXwChttp://books.google.com/books?id=zAf-uwRCdXwC __**_ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questionshttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-** unsubscr...@freebsd.org freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Booting FreeBSD 1.0
That CD-ROM should not be the ones found now , but Sound-Blaster CD-ROM which is different from the present day CD-ROM . Sound-Blaster CD-ROM should be attached to Sound-Blaster card , not to IDE port . Regular CD-ROM ( attached to IDE port ) started by later versions of FreeBSD . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: Yes, 1.0, from November 1993. The install CD is here: http://ftp-archive.freebsd.**org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/old-** releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/**FreeBSD-1.0-RELEASE/http://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/FreeBSD-1.0-RELEASE/ emulators/qemu boots from the floppy image in the cdinstal directory, but reports no cdrom found. I managed to find a Pentium 4 system with a working floppy drive, found a working disk, made the boot floppy, and then booted it. It boots and reports the same thing. Putting the CD drive on a separate IDE bus or as a secondary on the same bus as the hard drive makes no difference. Chipset too new, maybe. Any ideas short of find an original Pentium system that still works? Here is the qemu invocation I tried: qemu -m 16 -cpu pentium -hda fbsd1.img -fda /mnt/cdinstal/cdins_ah.flp -cdrom FreeBSD-1.0-RELEASE.iso -boot a -enable-kqemu __**_ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questionshttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-** unsubscr...@freebsd.org freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re:
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Eduardo Meyer dudu.me...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I want to run FreeBSD with at least 4 igb devices on an hostile environment, therefore I am looking for a specific hardware. Does anyone is aware of an Atom-based board with 4 or more gigabit ether connections using Intel's 82575, 82576, 82580, I210/1, or I350 based gigabit chip? I know a couple of boards with Intel 82574L chipset like soekris 6501, but it won't do for me. -- === Eduardo Meyer pessoal: dudu.me...@gmail.com profissional: ddm.farmac...@saude.gov.br The following pages may give some idea : http://www.gsl.com.tr/en/main-page Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Kernel Modules Documentation?
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Walter Hurry walterhu...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 01 May 2013 20:33:21 -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: Text file . Thank you very much . OK. Sorry for the delay. It's at http://pastebin.com/wvxQRD9w Thank you really . Access to PasteBin from Turkey is PROHIBITED . I am sorry . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Kernel Modules Documentation?
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Walter Hurry walterhu...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 07 May 2013 11:16:50 -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Walter Hurry walterhu...@gmail.com wrote: Access to PasteBin from Turkey is PROHIBITED . Oh. Try this then: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6106778/kernel_modules.txt The text has been saved successfully . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: pkgng repositories
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Quark unixuser2000-f...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello List, FreeBSD home page say it is still fixing some security breach and ETA is unknown. Does some noble soul maintain any publically accessible pkgng repo? Security is not much of a concern, it is going to live in VM. Building from ports is cumbersome for likes KDE, Xorg et. al. thanks, Quark http://mirror.exonetric.net/pub/pkgng/ Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Kernel Modules Documentation?
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Walter Hurry walterhu...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:07:13 -0400, ill...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 April 2013 09:39, Walter Hurry walterhu...@gmail.com wrote: FreeBSD 9.1 on amd64. I have a list of about 220 kernel modules and would like to find out what they do, or are for (none has a man page). I suspect that many of them are drivers for particular devices. Is there any resource or documentation available? Thanks. P.S. Here are the first few: ahc_eisa ahc_isa ahc_pci alias_cuseeme Yes, the modules names aren't always exactly the man page name. Stubborn inventive use of apropos locate ( reading through stuff in /usr/src/sys/modules/ ) can help, but not everything is obvious. ahc(4) covers the first few. libalias(3) appears to be the only thing to even parenthetically mentions cuseeme (NB I didn't run grep over the whole dang filesystem, though). Most of the if_something are under something(4). For the geom_blahblah, see if it's covered by something mentioned in the SEE ALSO sexion of geom(8) or geom(4). Thanks to all for the pointers. With a little digging around, I have managed to reduce the 220 to zero, and now have all 643 (9.1 on amd64) briefly documented. If there is a list of them , is it possible to post that list to share it ? I think , it will be very useful as a reference . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Kernel Modules Documentation?
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Walter Hurry walterhu...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 01 May 2013 12:57:26 -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Walter Hurry walterhu...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:07:13 -0400, ill...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 April 2013 09:39, Walter Hurry walterhu...@gmail.com wrote: FreeBSD 9.1 on amd64. I have a list of about 220 kernel modules and would like to find out what they do, or are for (none has a man page). I suspect that many of them are drivers for particular devices. Is there any resource or documentation available? Thanks. P.S. Here are the first few: ahc_eisa ahc_isa ahc_pci alias_cuseeme Yes, the modules names aren't always exactly the man page name. Stubborn inventive use of apropos locate ( reading through stuff in /usr/src/sys/modules/ ) can help, but not everything is obvious. ahc(4) covers the first few. libalias(3) appears to be the only thing to even parenthetically mentions cuseeme (NB I didn't run grep over the whole dang filesystem, though). Most of the if_something are under something(4). For the geom_blahblah, see if it's covered by something mentioned in the SEE ALSO sexion of geom(8) or geom(4). Thanks to all for the pointers. With a little digging around, I have managed to reduce the 220 to zero, and now have all 643 (9.1 on amd64) briefly documented. If there is a list of them , is it possible to post that list to share it ? I think , it will be very useful as a reference . Well, it's far from perfect but yes, I can put it somewhere for download. How would you like it? CSV? Spreadsheet, Text file? Text file . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FreeBSD 9.1 amd64 : hwpstate0 : set freq failed , err 6
Dears All , The following message hwpstate0 : set freq failed , err 6 is displayed frequently on the following computer : Main board : ASUS M5A97 R2.0 Processor : AMD FX X8 8350 Graphics Card : PowerColor HD 4830 Memory : 32GB FreeBSD 9.1 amd64 2013-04-20 Snapshot What may be the reason ? How can it be corrected ? Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FreeBSD fstab Entry for Windows Share
Dear All , When a Windows XP share is mounted with the following command in FreeBSD 9.1 amd64 , it is working : # mount_smbfs -I 192.168.10.25 //user_name_in_Windows_Administrators@NetBIOS_NAME_in_Windows/Share_Name_in_Windows /mnt I could not be able to write an /etc/fstab entry to mount that share during boot . When examples in many documents from Internet are imitated , no one of them is working , or man pages are not much helpful. If an applicable , working statement is offered , it will be appreciated very much . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD fstab Entry for Windows Share
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 00:45:24 -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: I could not be able to write an /etc/fstab entry to mount that share during boot . When examples in many documents from Internet are imitated , no one of them is working , or man pages are not much helpful. Try to adapt the following configuration example I just copied from a system image which has been working many years ago: Edit the file /etc/nsmb.conf to contain access credentials if those are needed: [default] workgroup=THEGROUPNAMEHERE [WINPC] addr=192.168.123.456 [WINPC:Administrator] password=MYTOPSECRETPASSWORD In this example, WINPC is then name of the PC you want to mount the SMB shares from. Also Administrator will be the user account by which they are mounted. Please note that this might be a stupid practice. :-) Then add those entries to /etc/fstab: //Administrator@WINPC/a$ /smb/a smbfs rw,noauto 0 0 //Administrator@WINPC/c$ /smb/c smbfs rw,noauto 0 0 //Administrator@WINPC/d$ /smb/d smbfs rw,noauto 0 0 //Administrator@WINPC/e$ /smb/e smbfs rw,noauto 0 0 //Administrator@WINPC/f$ /smb/f smbfs rw,noauto 0 0 Of course you can be more specific by naming the shares by name. In this case here, the drive letters have been used to access the entire drives / logical partitions / whatever. If the shares should be mounted on boot time, remove ,noauto. If not, use mount /smb/c for example when needed. Of course make sure that the mount targets, /smb/[acdef] in this case, do exist. Finally, make sure that if you're using WINPC in /etc/fstab, put an IP for in in /etc/hosts, or it won't resolve: 192.168.123.456 WINPC This is also helpful as soon as you have to run network diagnostics as you can now use WINPC for the Windows PC in any commands. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... Dear Polytropon , Your message has supplied important information . When their equivalent values are entered , they worked : WINPC : NetBIOS_NAME_in_Windows workgroup : Work_Group_NAME_in_Windows Administrator : user_name_in_Windows_Administrators F$ : Share_Name_in_Windows With the above values : /etc/nsmb.conf : - [default] Workgroup=Work_Group_NAME_in_Windows [NetBIOS_NAME_in_Windows] addr=192.168.10.25 - The following values are NOT required ( they are not taken into consideration ) : [WINPC:Administrator] password=MYTOPSECRETPASSWORD During boot , the password is asked . /etc/hosts : - 192.168.10.25 NetBIOS_NAME_in_Windows - /etc/fstab : - //user_name_in_Windows_Administrators@NetBIOS_NAME_in_Windows/Share_Name_in_Windows /mnt smbfs rw 0 0 - where /mnt is the mount directory in FreeBSD server , the sample IP number 192.168.10.25 will be replaced by actual IP number . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD fstab Entry for Windows Share
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Dave Anderson d...@marlinbrighton.comwrote: When you say could not do an fstab entry, can you say what happens? Do you get any messages in logs? regards Dave -- http://www.marlinbrighton.com On 16/04/2013 08:45, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: Dear All , When a Windows XP share is mounted with the following command in FreeBSD 9.1 amd64 , it is working : # mount_smbfs -I 192.168.10.25 //user_name_in_Windows_**Administrators@NetBIOS_NAME_** in_Windows/Share_Name_in_**Windows /mnt I could not be able to write an /etc/fstab entry to mount that share during boot . When examples in many documents from Internet are imitated , no one of them is working , or man pages are not much helpful. If an applicable , working statement is offered , it will be appreciated very much . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk __**_ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questionshttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-** unsubscr...@freebsd.org freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Dave Anderson Marlin Brighton Independent IT Consultancy Mob: 07710 537 909 email: d...@marlinbrighton.com mailto:dave@marlinbrighton.**comd...@marlinbrighton.com web: www.marlinbrighton.com http://www.marlinbrighton.com Dear Dave , By using information from Polytropon's message , I could be able to define /etc/fstab entry correctly . With respect to your question : When an entry is erroneous in /etc/fstab file , booting is entering into single user mode . After correction of erroneous entry , a fast boot is restarting . The above cycle is continuing up to a completely correct /etc/fstab file is supplied . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD fstab Entry for Windows Share
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 2:41 AM, Dave Anderson d...@marlinbrighton.comwrote: When you put the entry in fstab and then try to mount it with fstab providing the details, what happens? i.e. without doing a reboot, test fstab by doing the mounts from the command line with the details in fstab regards Dave http://www.marlinbrighton.com On 16/04/2013 10:34, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: Dear Dave , By using information from Polytropon's message , I could be able to define /etc/fstab entry correctly . With respect to your question : When an entry is erroneous in /etc/fstab file , booting is entering into single user mode . After correction of erroneous entry , a fast boot is restarting . The above cycle is continuing up to a completely correct /etc/fstab file is supplied . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Dear Dave , My intention was to eliminate separate mount statement . For this , a noauto is not used . This is allowing login as a regular user into server , there is no any necessity to mount and umount statements . Therefore , I did not try noauto and then mount . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FreeBSD as Samba Server and Windows as Client
Dear All , I could be able to connect a FreeBSD 9.1 amd64 computer as client to a Windows XP ( 32 bits ) by using information supplied by the mail http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2013-April/250500.html and I sent a mail http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-doc/2013-April/021857.html to share my findings . Previously , I tried to make a FreeBSD 9.1 amd64 as Samba server and connect a Windows XP as a client computer . By using The FreeBSD Handbook , many documents from www.samba.org and Internet , I could not be able to access to the FreeBSD Samba server from Windows XP : Continuously I have received Access denied error message in Windows XP although in the server the related directory and files have mode rwx-rwx-rwx . The same message is produced even for Linux Samba Server . The examples given in the documents are partial statements without actually used files / statements in such a setting , and sometimes inconsistent or contradictory with each other because they are mostly written manually . If a working , applicable set of files / statements are supplied , it will be appreciated very much . After a successful implementation , I will send an e-mail about this set up as an example for the FreeBSD Handbook to share our information with other people in need . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD as Samba Server and Windows as Client
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Richard Sharpe realrichardsha...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk m.e.sanlit...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All , I could be able to connect a FreeBSD 9.1 amd64 computer as client to a Windows XP ( 32 bits ) by using information supplied by the mail http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2013-April/250500.html and I sent a mail http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-doc/2013-April/021857.html to share my findings . Previously , I tried to make a FreeBSD 9.1 amd64 as Samba server and connect a Windows XP as a client computer . By using The FreeBSD Handbook , many documents from www.samba.org and Internet , I could not be able to access to the FreeBSD Samba server from Windows XP : Continuously I have received Access denied error message in Windows XP although in the server the related directory and files have mode rwx-rwx-rwx . The same message is produced even for Linux Samba Server . The examples given in the documents are partial statements without actually used files / statements in such a setting , and sometimes inconsistent or contradictory with each other because they are mostly written manually . If a working , applicable set of files / statements are supplied , it will be appreciated very much . After a successful implementation , I will send an e-mail about this set up as an example for the FreeBSD Handbook to share our information with other people in need . All I can tell you is that it is definitely possible using FreeBSD. The FreeNAS folks do exactly that as does the company I work for. I do not have the time to spend helping you get it going and I note that you do not tell us which version of Samba you are using, but it does work. Have you tried setting the permissions correctly on the directory you are sharing? Do you know if it is getting Access Denied trying to access the Share or trying to create a file. -- Regards, Richard Sharpe (何以解憂？唯有杜康。--曹操) Samba Version : FreeBSD 9.1 amd64 package . There is no fault in FreeBSD because from a Linux computer , it is possible to access the Samba service . I tried FreeNAS , but installation did not work ( It was my first install , therefore , it is very likely that I made some mistakes ) . Windows is not able to see directory contents of Samba server . When directory is not visible , it is not possible to write into it . Perhaps in the Windows XP , some settings may be wrong or missing . For that reason , I wanted to have a COMPLETE settings applied , working example. There are the following pages : http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html Using Samba, 2nd Edition http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/ch02.html Chapter 2. Installing Samba on a Unix System http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/ch03.html Chapter 3. Configuring Windows Clients http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/ch05.html Chapter 5. Unix Clients Some Linux distributions have very well designed graphical Samba configuration applications . No one of them is working in the Windows side . My opinion is that , Samba installation is correct , but Windows side has problem which I do not know how to isolate it and to correct it . Only a working complete set up may be useful , because all of the examples are partial explanatory demonstrations . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD as Samba Server and Windows as Client
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Joshua Isom jri...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/16/2013 2:20 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: Dear All , I could be able to connect a FreeBSD 9.1 amd64 computer as client to a Windows XP ( 32 bits ) by using information supplied by the mail http://lists.freebsd.org/**pipermail/freebsd-questions/** 2013-April/250500.htmlhttp://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2013-April/250500.html and I sent a mail http://lists.freebsd.org/**pipermail/freebsd-doc/2013-**April/021857.htmlhttp://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-doc/2013-April/021857.html to share my findings . Previously , I tried to make a FreeBSD 9.1 amd64 as Samba server and connect a Windows XP as a client computer . By using The FreeBSD Handbook , many documents from www.samba.org and Internet , I could not be able to access to the FreeBSD Samba server from Windows XP : Continuously I have received Access denied error message in Windows XP although in the server the related directory and files have mode rwx-rwx-rwx . The same message is produced even for Linux Samba Server . The examples given in the documents are partial statements without actually used files / statements in such a setting , and sometimes inconsistent or contradictory with each other because they are mostly written manually . If a working , applicable set of files / statements are supplied , it will be appreciated very much . After a successful implementation , I will send an e-mail about this set up as an example for the FreeBSD Handbook to share our information with other people in need . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk My guess is your firewall. Samba uses tcp and udp, you have to allow udp on ports 137 and 138. Turn off your firewall and try again. It's frustrated me a couple times when I've first set it up. Either that, or add `guest ok = Yes` lines to the shares. If you have a second non-windows computer available, I'd try with that. Windows makes some assumptions about what to remember, and sort of assumes the server's working properly from the beginning. Using another computer will make testing faster. In Windows , Firewall is OFF . There is no any other firewall in the network . From a Linux computer , it is possible to connect . Guest is allowed . In Windows , in its menus , during my settings , I could not see any mention of Ports . Therefore , it is necessary to know how to set such ports . It seems that , some values are not set in Windows . In documents , sometimes their writers , are not mentioning some points . These points may be not important for them but may be critical for a newly starter person . Documentation write-ups are full of such missing expertise information . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Client Authentication
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 10:16 PM, Doug Hardie bc...@lafn.org wrote: On 23 March 2013, at 21:51, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk m.e.sanlit...@gmail.com wrote: Using Static IP in the client side , and checking Static IP of the user may be a possibility : In that way , any message from another IP will not be accepted . If this is possible for your systems , it may be checked for usability . One difficulty is that each user should obtain a Static IP and can not connect to his/her ISP from another IP . Good side is that nobody can connect to ISP of the user from another IP : It supplies hardware security ( we are assuming that the user computer is not captured ) .. That is an interesting idea, but unfortunately our users tend to travel a lot and need to be able to access mail from anywhere. Also, static IPs can get quite expensive from some ISPs. Our users are pretty much on fixed incomes and any expense is a hardship for them. -- Doug The following steps may be another idea : Assume that you supply to your users a small login program prepared for them specifically ( since you are using SSH ) : Compile that program for each user with a special identifier for him/her and ship this program to your user and require that the login will be performed by this program . This program will send a very long code to your system with user password which is only known to you and to your user . Since external users will not know this code , they will not be able to login into their accounts by using only password . This will also easily identify fake login trials : It is very obvious that to estimate a very long code will require a large number of tries : If code fails , it means that login trial is from a fake user . If password fails , it may be allowed a fixed number of trials ( The banks are allowing only TWO failed passwords , on third , a new attempt can be made after 24 hours , in Turkey ) . This program may also additionally send computer signature to your system which is previously send to you on subscription computed by a program prepared by you . If the user changes / or uses a different computer , he/she should supply a signature of the computer . Here , important point is that , always you should verify that you are communicating the real user , not a faked user in behalf of the real user . For the stolen program/codes , prepare a new program and ship to the user . Another idea may be the following : Assume the user computer is NOT captured by a criminal bandit . On subscription , send to the user a square bar code printed on a card like credit card having a very long code specifically prepared for the user . On login , the user will show this card to the camera of the computer and will be transmitted to your system . In your system , it will be decoded , and it will be used to identify the user with his/her password . If this application is used , it may not be necessary to send the users a special login program prepared for each of them . Thank you very much . Mehmet ERol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Client Authentication
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Doug Hardie bc...@lafn.org wrote: On 23 March 2013, at 22:59, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk m.e.sanlit...@gmail.com wrote: The following steps may be another idea : Assume that you supply to your users a small login program prepared for them specifically ( since you are using SSH ) : Compile that program for each user with a special identifier for him/her and ship this program to your user and require that the login will be performed by this program . This program will send a very long code to your system with user password which is only known to you and to your user . Since external users will not know this code , they will not be able to login into their accounts by using only password . This will also easily identify fake login trials : It is very obvious that to estimate a very long code will require a large number of tries : If code fails , it means that login trial is from a fake user . If password fails , it may be allowed a fixed number of trials ( The banks are allowing only TWO failed passwords , on third , a new attempt can be made after 24 hours , in Turkey ) . This program may also additionally send computer signature to your system which is previously send to you on subscription computed by a program prepared by you . If the user changes / or uses a different computer , he/she should supply a signature of the computer . Here , important point is that , always you should verify that you are communicating the real user , not a faked user in behalf of the real user . For the stolen program/codes , prepare a new program and ship to the user . Thats an interesting approach but becomes difficult to use when traveling as you have no idea what computer you will be able to use today until you get to it. Then you might have only a few minutes access to it before moving on. Another idea may be the following : Assume the user computer is NOT captured by a criminal bandit . On subscription , send to the user a square bar code printed on a card like credit card having a very long code specifically prepared for the user . On login , the user will show this card to the camera of the computer and will be transmitted to your system . In your system , it will be decoded , and it will be used to identify the user with his/her password . If this application is used , it may not be necessary to send the users a special login program prepared for each of them . This idea shows a lot of promise. I have to figure out how to tie it into mail, web etc. There is libqrencode for creating the QR images. I am downloading it now. -- Doug A single method may not be so much useful for ALL the users . You may design a part for mostly static users . For traveling persons , by using relevant information in your system , you may use a approximate solution : QR code , password , computer signature : If two of them is correct , and in user profile there is an information that the user travels frequently , you may assume his/her login is correct . Another point may be that the user inform your system that he will travel between dates ( if foreing countries are involved , he may specify them ) . By using such information , it may be possible to identify users correctly as much as possible . This requires a good user profile definition in your system , and temporary exception which these exceptions should ALWAYS be obtained from fully verified login to prevent fake changes . As an example of bank robbery : A criminal , applying to a user GSM company instead of another person to be robbed by saying that My GSM device has been stolen . Please cancel it . Give a new GSM chip and number . After getting the new GSM number , the criminal is applying to bank for request Change my GSM number . instead of another person to be robbed . During money transfer of person to be robbed , the bank is sending a GSM message to the person , but diverted to criminal to get authorization . Person is giving authorization . As a result : Money is stolen . Rest is not important . The real person should go to court to prove that his/her money is stolen : Such a trial is taking almost five years . This means that security measures / steps should be designed with extremely carefully . All over the world , there a large millions of personal computers captured by criminals and are used for crime performance with the responsibility being on the real owner of the computer . For your users , some of them may obtain or have static IP numbers . Therefore , it is not necessary completely discard such an alternative . By using most secure method which can be implemented for the suitable users to least secure methods have been implemented persons with difficulty may be applied . For least secure methods , some statistical measures may be implemented : For example , average daily number of logins , average number of messages
Re: Client Authentication
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Doug Hardie bc...@lafn.org wrote: I am not sure this is the best place to ask this, but I didn't see any other maillists that seemed more appropriate. Basically, my outgoing mail server is being systematically attacked to try passwords looking for one that works. When they do find one, we get inundated by spam sent through that account throughout the world. The situation is such that most of our users are older and their computer is a hand-me-down so they can talk to their grandchildren. Passwords are a great inconvenience for them and create numerous problems with remembering them even when they are simple. Unfortunately, most of them are quite easy to guess. Telling users to use more appropriate passwords is a complete waste of my time. Its never going to make any changes as they probably would not remember any other password (or where they wrote down the password). This situation requires a technical solution. I have been investigating the use of client authentication through SSL. DoD uses this approach by having the certificates on an ID card and a card reader on each computer. We don't have the money to use that approach no could we every get our users to spring for that. I was hoping to figure out a way to put the certificate on a flash drive or CD that the user would carry. The approach we use has to also work for iPads, smart phones etc that do not have an interface for a card reader. At this time, I have successfully configured a test for openssl client authentication using a client certificate. There are a few issues remaining. DoD uses a p12 format for their certificates. Many browsers support that format. It encrypts the certificate and private key so they are not easily obtained from the smart card. Openssl's s_client uses pem certificates and the key has to be included in the certificate file. While that is easily transported on CD or flash drive, the private key is in the clear on the device. Thats not really viable. S_client works properly without a certificate when the certificate check in the server is set to not fail if a certificate is not provided. This is needed because we will never get all our users to use this approach at home. They will still want to use passwords. Since the certificate request is made before the connection information is available, there is no easy way to request it only when needed. I have only been able to test with the Safari browser and it does not handle the no certificate case properly. I believe it is dropping the connection when the user does not select a certificate. I still have to test the other browsers. There is an interesting aspect of openssl that the certificate it uses for normal SSL authentication is not used for client authentication. There are another completely different set of calls that have to be made to set the certificate/key for use in validating the client certificates. Much of this is only documented in existing code. With Safari you have to import the client's certificate into the keychain. Then it works fine. Unfortunately, it doesn't go away when you are done with it. Unlike the smart card which, when removed, removes the certificate, the Safari certificate can continue to be used by anyone afterwards. Hence, its not all that useful for authentication. One approach I have heard about, but not investigated yet is to place the keychain on the removable device. That would make it go away. However, that approach would not work with any other browser or mail program. Any ideas/suggestions on this will be appreciated. Thanks, -- Doug Using Static IP in the client side , and checking Static IP of the user may be a possibility : In that way , any message from another IP will not be accepted . If this is possible for your systems , it may be checked for usability . One difficulty is that each user should obtain a Static IP and can not connect to his/her ISP from another IP . Good side is that nobody can connect to ISP of the user from another IP : It supplies hardware security ( we are assuming that the user computer is not captured ) .. Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NFS Performance: Weirder And Weirder
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Tim Daneliuk tun...@tundraware.comwrote: This is really weird. A FreeBSD 9.1 system mounts the following: /dev/ad4s1a989M625M285M69%/ devfs 1.0k1.0k 0B 100%/dev /dev/ad4s1d7.8G 1G6.1G14%/var /dev/ad4s1e 48G9.4G 35G21%/usr /dev/ad4s1f390G127G231G35%/usr1 /dev/ad6s1d902G710G120G86%/usr1/BKU /usr1/something (under ad4s1f) and /usr1/BKU (all of ad6s1d) are exported for NFS mounting on the LAN. I have tested the speeds of these two drives locally doing a 'dd if=/dev/zero '. Their speeds are quite comparable - around 55-60 MB/s so the problem below is not an artifact of a slow drive. The two mounts are imported like this on a Linux Mint 12 machine: machine:/usr1/BKU /BKU nfs rw,soft,intr 0 0 machine:/usr1/shared /shared nfs rw,soft,intr 0 0 Problem: When I write files from the LM12 machines to /BKU the writes are 1/10 the speed of when writing to /shared. Reads are fine in both cases, at near native disk speeds being reported. Someone here suggested I get rid of any symlinks in the mount and I did that to no avail. Incidentally, the only reason I just noticed this is that I upgraded the NIC on the FreeBSD machine and the switch into which it connects to 1000Base because the LM12 machine had a built in 1000Base NIC. I also changed the cables on both machines to ensure they were not the problem. Prior to this, I was bandwidth constrained by the 100Base so I never saw NFS performance as an issue. When I upgraded, I expected faster transfers and when I didn't get them, I started this whole investigation. So ... I'm stumped: - It's not the drive or SATA ports because both drives show comparable performance. - It's not the cables because I can get great throughput on one of the NFS mountpoints. - It's neither NIC for the same reason. Does anyone: A) Have a clue what might be doing this B) Have a suggestion how to track down the problem Thanks, -- --**--** Tim Daneliuk tun...@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ With respect to your mount points : /usr1 is spanning TWO different partitions : /dev/ad4s1f390G127G231G35%/usr1 /dev/ad6s1d902G710G120G86%/usr1/BKU because /usr1/BKU is a sub-directory of /usr1 . If you create a new directory , for example /usr2 , and /usr2/BKU , and using this new separate directory for sharing , such as : /dev/ad6s1d902G710G120G86%/usr2/BKU and machine:/usr2/BKU /BKU nfs rw,soft,intr 0 0 will it make difference ? Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NFS Performance: Weirder And Weirder
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Tim Daneliuk tun...@tundraware.com wrote: On 03/16/2013 04:20 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: With respect to your mount points : /usr1 is spanning TWO different partitions : /dev/ad4s1f390G127G231G35%/usr1 /dev/ad6s1d902G710G120G86%/usr1/BKU because /usr1/BKU is a sub-directory of /usr1 . If you create a new directory , for example /usr2 , and /usr2/BKU , and using this new separate directory for sharing , such as : /dev/ad6s1d902G710G120G86%/usr2/BKU and machine:/usr2/BKU /BKU nfs rw,soft,intr 0 0 will it make difference ? Mehmet Erol Sanliturk I just tried this and it made no difference. The same file copied onto the NFS mount on /usr1/shared takes about 20x as long when coppied on to /usr[1|2]/BKU. -- --**--** Tim Daneliuk tun...@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ Michael W. Lucas in Absolute FeeBSD , 2nd Edition , ( ISBN : 978-1-59327-151-0 ) , is suggesting the following ( p. 248 ) : In client ( mount , or , fstab ) , use options ( -o tcp , intr , soft , -w=32768 , -r=32768 ) tcp option will request a TCP mount instead of UDP mount , because FreeBSD NFS defaults to running over UDF . This subject may be another check point . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NFS Performance: Weirder And Weirder
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Tim Daneliuk tun...@tundraware.com wrote: On 03/16/2013 05:43 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: Michael W. Lucas in Absolute FeeBSD , 2nd Edition , ( ISBN : 978-1-59327-151-0 ) , is suggesting the following ( p. 248 ) : In client ( mount , or , fstab ) , use options ( -o tcp , intr , soft , -w=32768 , -r=32768 ) tcp option will request a TCP mount instead of UDP mount , because FreeBSD NFS defaults to running over UDF . This subject may be another check point . Another very good suggestion but ... to no avail. Thanks for pointing this out. -- --**--** Tim Daneliuk tun...@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ I have read messages once more . There is a phrase : Linux Mint 12 machineS ( plural ) . In your descriptions , there is no any information about network setup : Single client , multiple clients , etc . Then , with some assumptions : If there is ONLY ONE client , and all of the tests are performed on this ONLY client , problem may be attributed to FreeBSD server or kind of file(s) in different directories : One of the is encrypted ( requires decryption ) , another is plain file , etc. . If there is MORE than ONE client , problem may be attributed to any one the components of the network ( server , clients , switch , cable , NICs , interfering other software , etc. ) . Assume there is MULTIPLE clients : Take two clients of them : (A) Client 1 : Mount two directories . (B) Client 2 : Mount two directories . Test transmission performance : If they are similar , inspect server settings , directory privileges , etc . , file systems ( one is ZFS , other is UFS2 , etc. ) . All of the hardware may work properly , but if the file reading is not able to feed NIC sufficiently fast , it may show up as degraded performance . Increasing NIC buffer size ( as standard it is around 1000 bytes ) to maximum available , may offset latency of supply of data to NIC . If they are different : Check client specialties : A cable may be CAT5 ( only maximum 100 Mbits transfer . Network cards are adaptive , they try 1 Gbits , if it is not achievable , it reduces to speed to 100 Mbits , even to 10 Mbits ) . In that case either use CAT6 cable or CAT5x ( for 1 Gbit transmission , I do not remember x now ) The cable kind should be written on cable , if it is not written , select a properly labelled cable . Interchange cable tips to clients : If performance interchanges also : Cable or SWITCH port is faulty : Check switch port : It may be a 100 Mbits , be sure that it is also 1 Gbits and working properly . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NFS Performance: Weirder And Weirder
There is one more point to check : From your mount information , in the server , directories are on DIFFERENT drives . Assume one of the drives is very INTELLIGENT to save power . During local reading , due to reading speed , it may not go to SLEEP , but during network access , it may go to sleep due to its exceeded waiting time . If this is the case , please stay away from INTELLIGENT drives in a server : These are designed and produced by very IGNORANT entities . For simple , personal applications , their latency may not be noticed very much , but in a server , they can not be used . Another point may be file sizes . To check effect of file size , into the two different directories copy a large ( for example , 5 GB , or a 4.n GB .iso file ) and transmit these same files from their directories to a single client . If directory structure makes a difference , assuming hardware parts and client does not behave differently to these files , performance difference may be attributed to server side . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Weird NFS Performance Problem
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Tim Daneliuk tun...@tundraware.com wrote: I have a FreeBSD 9.1-STABLE exhibiting weird NFS performance issues and I'd appreciate any suggestions. I have several different directories exported from the same filesystem. The machine that mounts them (a Linux Mint 12 desktop) writes nice and fast to one of them, but writes to the other one are dreadfully slow. Both are mounted on the LM machine using 'rw,soft,intr' in that machine's fstab file. Any ideas on what might be the culprit here? -- --**--** Tim Daneliuk tun...@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ Is the slow directory a LINK ? If it is a LINK , then , try with the real directory name . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: how to forbid a process to use swap?
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Anton Shterenlikht me...@bristol.ac.ukwrote: I run a program that uses large arrays. I don't want it to use swap, because it's too slow. I want the program to fail when there's not enough RAM, rather than using swap. How to do this? Is it something to do with these kernel variables: kern.dfldsiz: 34359738368 kern.dflssiz: 8388608 kern.maxdsiz: 34359738368 kern.maxssiz: 536870912 kern.maxtsiz: 134217728 Many thanks Anton If you have program source , you may do the following : Define a constant : Maximum_Allocatable_Memory = ? Define a variable : Total_Allocated_Memory = 0 Before allocating a memory of size M , check whether Total_Allocated_Memory + M Maximum_Allocatable_Memory If yes : Allocate memory ; Add M to Total_Allocated_Memory . If no : Return an error and gracefully stop your program instead of a crash which will loose data . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: how to forbid a process to use swap?
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Anton Shterenlikht me...@bristol.ac.ukwrote: From m.e.sanlit...@gmail.com Sun Mar 10 00:25:27 2013 On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Anton Shterenlikht me...@bristol.ac.ukwrote: I run a program that uses large arrays. I don't want it to use swap, because it's too slow. I want the program to fail when there's not enough RAM, rather than using swap. How to do this? Is it something to do with these kernel variables: kern.dfldsiz: 34359738368 kern.dflssiz: 8388608 kern.maxdsiz: 34359738368 kern.maxssiz: 536870912 kern.maxtsiz: 134217728 Many thanks Anton If you have program source , you may do the following : Define a constant : Maximum_Allocatable_Memory = ? Define a variable : Total_Allocated_Memory = 0 Before allocating a memory of size M , check whether Total_Allocated_Memory + M Maximum_Allocatable_Memory If yes : Allocate memory ; Add M to Total_Allocated_Memory . If no : Return an error and gracefully stop your program instead of a crash which will loose data . It's a fortran program. I'm not very stong in C. Ideally I'd just use the OS (shell) means, but I need to understand better which resourse limit controls what. For example, with sh limits(1), I see: $ limits Resource limits (current): cputime infinity secs filesize infinity kB datasize 524168 kB stacksize 524168 kB coredumpsize infinity kB memoryuseinfinity kB memorylocked 64 kB maxprocesses12200 openfiles 117594 sbsize infinity bytes vmemoryuse infinity kB pseudo-terminals infinity swapuse infinity kB $ Which of these are relevant to my case? Finally, the actual problem is on linux, but I hope if I'm able to understand how things work on FreeBSD, then I could do it on linux too, especially if it's just a sh command. Thanks Anton It is not necessary to know C for the above steps . If you have source and if it is compilable by Fortran 90 or later standard , it may use allocation . ( Please see ALLOCATABLE , ALLOCATE , DEALLOCATE in a Fortran = 90 manual ). I am compiling Fortran 77 programs with respect to 2003 standart by specifying lines as fixed by G95 which it is available in FreeBSD also ( www.g95.org ) . It may be necessary to convert Hollerith format specifiers to apostrophes . Personally I do not any idea about the above parameters . You may use System Monitor or top to see memory usage . If there is no sufficient memory , you may not start your program , or it starts to swap you may kill suitable programs , etc. . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: manpage - html
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Fbsd8 fb...@a1poweruser.com wrote: Is there any command line command to convert a port's manpage to html? Well really any manpage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandoc http://mdocml.bsd.lv/ Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD needs Git to ensure repo integrity [was: 2012 incident]
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Ivan Voras ivo...@freebsd.org wrote: On 17/11/2012 22:48, Chris Rees wrote: (and is GPL btw) Since we're discussing it, Mercurial is BSDL-ed, and apparently has proper crypto signing using GPG: http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/FAQ#FAQ.2FTechnicalDetails.How_do_Mercurial_hashes_get_calculated.3F http://selenic.com/repo/hg/file/fd903f89e42b http://selenic.com/repo/hg/file/fd903f89e42b/COPYING GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE http://selenic.com/repo/hg/file/fd903f89e42b/COPYING#l2Version 2, June 1991 http://selenic.com/repo/hg/file/fd903f89e42b/COPYING#l3 In their repository , it is GPL v2 . Is there any other place which specifies its license as BSDL ? Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD needs Git to ensure repo integrity [was: 2012 incident]
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:10 AM, C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Volodymyr Kostyrko c.kw...@gmail.com wrote: 19.11.2012 14:34, Ivan Voras wrote: On 17/11/2012 22:48, Chris Rees wrote: (and is GPL btw) Since we're discussing it, Mercurial is BSDL-ed, and apparently has proper crypto signing using GPG: http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/FAQ#FAQ.2FTechnicalDetails.How_do_Mercurial_hashes_get_calculated.3F :%s/BSD/LGP/ http://mercurial.selenic.com/about/ Even if it was BSD licensed, Mercurial has a huge dependency: Python; and Git is Perl-based. So neither of them is ideal, IMHO. If at all, we'd need a lean and mean distributed SCM program like Mercurial or Git, but written in C that we could add to base. Any volunteers? -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/License http://selenic.com/hg/file/tip/COPYING http://mercurial.selenic.com/about/ Mercurial is free software licensed under the terms of the GNU General Public License Version 2 http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.txt or any later version. No one of them above mentions BSD license , or dual license , etc. Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Similar projects ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Anybody use the Dell 3010??
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:55 AM, Daniel Feenberg feenb...@nber.org wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Polytropon wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:00:29 -0500, Jerry wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:43:06 +0100 Polytropon articulated: Allow me to provide just one example: More in the series of bizarre UEFI bugs http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/**20187.htmlhttp://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/20187.html That doesn't appear to be a bug. It appears that the code is doing exactly what the designer wanted it to do. At best this was an oversight by the designer; at worse just plain incompetence. That's quite possible. We've seen poorly implemented ACPI behaviour in modern BIOS as well, or manufacturers intendedly going their way to limit hardware in what it can do or what it will support. It's just my fear that UEFI won't do better per se, and that lazy or incompetent people will screw it up, and make it worse. The article mentions legacy boot to restore a somewhat normal behaviour... The only way for FreeBSD (or Linux, for that matter) to survive in a world where hardware vendors care only about Windows, is to make sure that FreeBSD only depends upon features that Windows uses. If a hardware or firmware specification requires feature X, but Windows doesn't use feature X, then vendors won't test feature X, and FreeBSD can't depend on it being functional. So it shouldn't be required by FreeBSD. It can be used, provided it isn't required. In this case it may mean that FreeBSD must identify itself as Windows, just as all browsers identify themselves as IE. The above paragraph is completely meaningless , because neither *BSD , nor Linux is a marginal operating system . Please see http://www.top500.org/statistics/list/ Select from this Operating System Family where in world's 500 super computers , Windows is on ONLY 3 computers , the rest is almost Linux 469 , Unix 20 , BSD-based 1 computers and others . http://www.asus.com/Static_WebPage/OS_Compatibility/ http://www.asus.com/websites/global/aboutasus/OS/Linux.pdf contains Linux distributions supported in ASUS desktop boards . Some trade marked servers excluded , Linux and *BSD run on many server hardware . By not considering these and then saying that *BSD and Linux should follow foot steps of some one is not acceptable . The problem is there is NO any compatible hardware list for FreeBSD maintained continuously . Another problem is vendors are not supplying manuals about their hardware for whatever the reason is which is making to write drivers for them nearly impossible . In such cases , the users should seek compatible hardware without entrapped into proprietary to one operating system hardware . You might say this was enabling vendors to provide buggy systems, but as long as FreeBSD is small it does not have the power to affect vendors. Insisting on correctness from vendors has no effect when it is FreeBSD doing the insisting. It is only when FreeBSD is more widely used that it can adopt the role of enforcing standards on vendors, and it can not become widely used if it starts insisting on standards prematurely. daniel feenberg -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: high performance server design approach
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 3:08 AM, Mark Blackman m...@exonetric.com wrote: On 13 Nov 2012, at 11:03, Friedrich Locke friedrich.lo...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, when i say high performance, i am looking something at least as fast as the fastest performing http server on the market for a given set of requests on the same pool of static files. I am aware og ngnix, but i have to write my own http server. Using someone else solution is not an option. Ok, fair enough. It's a shame you're not in a position to use proven high performance technology to minimise your time-to-market, but I'll assume you've got a good reason to re-invent the wheel. I think for design questions like that, freebsd-questions@ is not the ideal list, but I suggest either freebsd-hackers@ or freebsd-net@ or a more general purpose networking list. Try http://www.slideshare.net/joshzhu/tips-on-high-performance-server-programmingtoo. - Mark If there is NO any absolute requirement to write a new http server in a clean room approach , any existing related software with suitable license may be utilized to generate a new fork and make necessary additions with possible translation to another programming language . For example , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nginx ( BSD licensed ) is forked by http://www.zhuzhaoyuan.com/ as http://tengine.taobao.org/ . To find other suitable licensed http servers , the following page may be useful : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_server_software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_lightweight_web_servers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embedded_HTTP_server http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Web_server_software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Free_web_server_software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Web_server_management_software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permissive_free_software_licence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_free_software_licences http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Free_and_open-source_software_licenses Please do NOT take the following sentences against your personality , they are only to remind you about problems : If you are not able to fork an existing http server software in your programming language ( the programming language you want to use ) and modify it with respect to your special needs , then it is very likely that you will not be able to write an equivalent software . If you attempt to create such a software , with the above condition , at the end , your gain will be amount of knowledge you gained , amount of time and resources ( money , time , etc. ) you lost . If you will use a different programming language and you do not know the programming languages used by suitable licensed http server software , then study development history of such http server software and get information about its difficulty , problems , cost , human effort requirements , etc. , . This will supply to you a clear road map for you development . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Questions about dump/restore to/from DVD media
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.comwrote: I would like to make a backup of one of my systems using dump(8) in order to be sure that I get everything, including all of the obscure file attribute bits. I would like to make this backup to a _minimal_ number of DVD+R disks. What's the proper procedure for this? In the dump(8) man page, I see the following example: /sbin/dump -0u -L -C16 -B4589840 -P 'growisofs -Z /dev/cd0=/dev/fd/0' /u There are several problems with this example, as far as I am concerned. First I have no particular interest in, or need for _either_ an ISO 9660 _or_ a UDF file system on my backup media. And in fact, that seems to me as if it is likely to be an utter waste of (precious) space on the backup media. Can't I just put the output of the dump command _directly_ onto the output DVD+R media? If so, how would I do this? Would a command such as the following work? /sbin/dump -0u -L -C16 -B4589840 -P 'dd of=/dev/acd0 bs=2048' /u If not, why not? (I already know for sure that I can _read_ everything off of a DVD+R using just dd, so it seems logical that I should likewise be able to write an entire CD using just dd, but I suspect that there may be more to it that this, since I've never seen any references or examples anywhere of anybody writing either CDs or DVDs using dd.) Actually, I just noticed in the dump manpage the -f option. So would this work in place of the above command line? /sbin/dump -0u -L -C16 -B4589840 -f /dev/acd0 /u And if THAT works, then can dump properly sense the actual end-of-media on /dev/acd0, so that the -B option can just be ommitted? Another issue is that I most definitely want to use an absolute minimum of DVD+Rs to store the dump. So I am wondering how I might be able to wedge gzip into this whole process. Could I do something like this? If not, why not? /sbin/dump -0u -L -C16 -B4589840 -P 'gzip | dd of=/dev/acd0 bs=2048' /u Lastly, I want to make a backup of one entire _system_... not just one of the several partitions that compose that system. How exactly can I do this? I mean sure, I can back up each partition separately, using dump, one at a time, but if I do that then the logical implication would seem to be that on the last DVD+R used to make a backup of each of the partitions, there could possibly be a lot of unused/wasted space which could have been used to store the first part of the dump for the next partition in turn. Is there any way to effectively deal with _this_ issue? Regards, rfg Assume one file will NOT be copied more than ONE DVD , i.e. , each file will be completely recorded on one DVD : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutting_stock_problem Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Booting 2nd(!) FreeBSD installation sitting on same disk
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Andre Albsmeier andre.albsme...@siemens.com wrote: For various reasons I have to use this disk layout: One harddisk with MBR and 3 slices on a i386 box: Slice 1: Windows XP :-( Slice 2: FreeBSD 7.4-STABLE V1 Slice 3: FreeBSD 7.4-STABLE V2 The MBR is configured as: options=packet,noupdate,nosetdrv default_selection=F2 (Slice 2) When booting, I can choose between: F1 Win F2 FreeBSD F3 FreeBSD However, when pressing F3, the system of slice 2(!) is loaded. This is due to the fact that boot1 always loads the first active FreeBSD slice ;-(. I have two possibilities to actually boot slice 3: 1. Playing with currdev when loader(8) is loaded (or using loader.conf of slice 2). 2. Using boot0cfg to allow updating the MBR. 1. is not really fexible and 2. means that the system remembers which slice was booted last (something I do not want). Is there no chance to actually honour the fact that F3 was pressed and boot from slice 3 without updating the MBR before? Thanks, -Andre There is the following port for managing boot selections : ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-9.0-release/Latest/grub2.tbz http://www.freshports.org/sysutils/grub2/ I do NOT know whether it may be useful for you or not . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Which Release
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 4:29 AM, Rich rgoek...@verizon.net wrote: Hi, I was looking around and decided that I would try BSD. However, I am having a problem determining which release will work for me. I have a Intel Quad CPU Q6600, 64-bit.So the AMD64 is out, the i386 is out, and here I bog down, Can you please help? Thanks in advance, Rich Goeken You can use AMD64 or i386 named .ISO files . AMD64 is 64-bit Intel and AMD desktop or mobile processors which Q6600 is one of them . Please read : ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/8.3-RELEASE/HARDWARE.HTM Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Architectural CAD software
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 3:53 PM, leeoliveshackelf...@surewest.net wrote: Good afternoon, FreeBSD enthusiasts. I did not receive a response to the following message, so I would like to rephrase the question. Does anyone use an architectural CAD application with FreeBSD? If so, would you be willing to share any comments, opinions, or advice with me concerning your experience with this software? Many thanks in advance. Yours truly, Lee Shackelford Good day FreeBSD enthusiasts. Has anyone installed and used CYCAS architectural CAD software on a FreeBSD system? Is this possible? If you have used CYCAS on a FreeBSD system, would you like to share with me your comments about your experience? Many thanks. Lee Shackelford You may study the following list to select a suitable port/package : http://www.freebsd.org/ports/cad.html ( FreeBSD Ports: Cad ) ( Computer Aided Design utilities. ) If you need , the following chapter may be useful : http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html ( Chapter 5 Installing Applications: Packages and Ports ) Some sample ports/packages : .. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/cad/brlcad/pkg-descr http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/cad/brlcad/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-9.0-release/Latest/brlcad.tbz http://brlcad.org/ .. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/cad/librecad/pkg-descr http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/cad/librecad/ http://www.freshports.org/cad/librecad/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-8.3-release/Latest/librecad.tbz It seems that librecad does NOT exist in : ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-9.0-release/Latest/ http://librecad.org/cms/home.html .. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/cad/opencascade/pkg-descr http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/cad/opencascade/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-9.0-release/Latest/opencascade.tbz http://www.opencascade.org/ .. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/cad/opencascade-tutorial/pkg-descr http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/cad/openscad/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-9.0-release/Latest/openscad.tbz http://www.openscad.org/ .. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/cad/qcad/pkg-descr http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/cad/qcad/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-9.0-release/Latest/qcad-partslib.tbz ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-9.0-release/Latest/qcad.tbz http://www.ribbonsoft.com/en/qcad .. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/cad/varkon/pkg-descr http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/cad/varkon/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-9.0-release/Latest/varkon.tbz http://varkon.sourceforge.net/ .. Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Question about FreeBSD for IA-64 software
On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:45 AM, Denis Guzanov guzanov...@gmail.com wrote: Dear FreeBSD Team, Firstly I would like to say you Big thanks for your really good job and the best system for us, small IT staff. Second, I would like to ask you about some problem with FreeBSD source. I've downloaded .iso Image from this link: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ia64/ia64/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/following .iso file: FreeBSD-9.0-RELEASE-ia64-release.iso And when I tried to install it I have nothing I did it many times, but have no result. When I've downloaded 8.3 version Installation was completed successfully. Dear FreeBSD Team, could you, please, check your .iso file for IA-64 systems or maybe consult me what I need to do? Thanks and Best regards, Denis. From your question , it is not possible to understand which 8.3 version is used . It is very unlikely that 9.0 fails completely but 8.3 succeeds completely . ia64 is for Itanium 64 processor , amd64 is Intel and AMD 64-bit capable desktop or notebook processors . They are different processors , and one can not execute code for the other . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Making a bootable backup (hard)disk... how?
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Fri, 8 Jun 2012, Robert Huff wrote: Ronald F. Guilmette writes: I got a lot of disks here, so that part is not a problem. I just need to make sure that I'm gonna do this the Right Way[tm]. (I've already been making my own ham-fisted disk-to-disk backups in the past, but I'm sure that the way I have been doing that is sub-optimal, so I'm here seeking knowledge of how to do this the Right Way.) The bottom line is this... I know how to use cpio, and would like to use it to create a complete and _bootable_ backup of my main system disk. (My main system disk has only one BIOS partition, and that is sub-divided into the usual set of FreeBSD partitions, you know, /, /dev, /tmp, /usr, /var, /usr/compat/linux/proc, and /var/named/dev.) As far as I know, the only way guaranteed to preserve metadata is dump/restore. See previous (not necessarily recent) discussion (on this list, and possibly in the Handbook) for more information. The rsync port has a flags option. I haven't tried it for a full backup. Even if it can copy all filesystem attributes like dump, there are still non-filesystem things needed for booting that neither can copy, like partition tables and boot blocks. There might be something for a bootable backup in ports, or it could be done with a script using gpart. Set up the disk with GPT labels to make it relocatable, use dump to copy everything the first time, fix up a few things like fstab and ifconfig_DEFAULT in the same script. Afterwards, rsync may be enough for fast updates. I am applying the following technique in Linux ( because I am not using FreeBSD ) : On the same computer : (1) I am disconnecting power cable of the existing HDD . (2) I am connecting a new disk ( by attaching Channel Zero SATA Cable to it ) . (3) I am installing a new operating system on HDD (4) I am installing mc ( Midnight Commander ) . (5) After obtaining a working new HDD , I am connecting the power cable of the previous disk . (6) I am booting the computer . The new operating system is seeing previous HDD . (7) I am mounting previous HDD . (8) By using mc , I am copying required files/directories into new HDD . Mostly I am using KDE4 . Dolphin in KDE4 has a memory leak which is causing disaster for very large list of files because for each file , it is consuming irrecoverable memory loss from 600 bytes to 1000 bytes during copying . (9) I am keeping previous HDD as bootable by disconnecting its power cable because it is not necessary to keep it powered . You can do the following : (1) Install your operating system on back-up HDD . (2) By using a script , copy required files /directories onto back-up HDD . With this technique , you can maintain a revolving back-up HDD units : Create back-up HDD 1 . Create back-up HDD 2 . . . . Create back-up HDD n . When n-th HDD is created , and a new back-up is required switch to HDD 1 . Using rsync you may update only required files / directories . Full copy is not required to update subsequent HDD units because it is very likely that many files are the same . In that form , EACH back-up HDD is bootable when it is required . You may consider HAST for a single HDD . You may use external USB HDD by selecting a robust model . Disconnecting power cable of existing HDD during a new operating system install on another HDD is preventing an accidental loss of data because naming the recognized HDD units is NOT standard and very unreliable . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Matthew Seaman matt...@freebsd.org wrote: On 06/06/2012 09:45, Bruce Cran wrote: On 06/06/2012 08:32, Matthew Seaman wrote: On deeper thought though, the whole idea appears completely unworkable. It means that you will not be able to compile your own kernel or drivers unless you have access to a signing key. As building your own is pretty fundamental to the FreeBSD project, the logical consequence is that FreeBSD source should come with a signing key for anyone to use. It just means that anyone wishing to run their own kernels would either need to disable secure boot, or purchase/create their own certificate and install it. Indeed. However disabling secure boot is apparently: * too difficult for users of Fedora * not possible on all platforms (arm based tablets especially) and purchasing your own certificate currently means paying $99 to Microsoft, or else getting a key from the hardware manufacturer (which I very much suspect will not be free either). While I would expect the typical FreeBSD user to be quite capable of disabling secure boot, I know that this is something that will result in realms of questions by new users, alarmist claims that FreeBSD is not secure and general glee amongst the FreeBSD is dying crowd. This is just another misconceived DRM scheme and suffers from all the same old flaws. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey http://www.infoworld.com/t/hacking/tech-behind-flame-attack-could-compromise-microsoft-update-194867 Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 3:47 AM, Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote: On 06/06/2012 11:24, Jerry wrote: I think you are in error there Matthew. From what I have read The $99 goes to Verisign, not Microsoft - further once paid you can sign as many binaries as you want. Having to pay Verisign instead of Microsoft makes no difference: the point is why should I have to pay anything to a third party in order to run whatever OS I want on a piece of hardware I own? $99 as a one-off payment might seem a trivial cost to you, so much so that you rather rashly promised to pay that for anyone. I won't hold you to it. Even so, there are several thousand readers of this list. I doubt even you could afford to subsidise very many of them... Yes UEFI Secure Boot may have been around for 8 years. The fact that no one has adopted use of it in all that time speaks volumes. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW What will be the usefulness of a security key for an Open Source Operating System when people are not using mostly proprietary binary packages and nearly all of the supplied binary packages have accompanying sources ? When FreeBSD is installing a binary package or making a port , it is ALWAYS checking integrity of installed parts . Then is there a necessity of a Security Key obtained by paying money ? In Turkish literature , there is a person named as Deli Dumrul means Crazy Dumrul where his name is Dumrul . Crazy Dumrul constructed a bridge over a dried river . If any one passes from the bridge , he was taking money for passing over the bridge for Using the Bridge , and , if any one is NOT passing from the bridge , and walking over the dried river , he was taking money for Not to Use the Bridge . It seems that History is Repeating Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why am I, Still subscribed and reading this list ?
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: Jason Hellenthal wrote: Because... at some point it may return to normal without all the bikeshedding and, I run because, I don't run because. Agreed ! Many replies were sent to Wrong lists. Original poster respondents abused stable@ questions@ Cross posting 2 lists un-necessarily, despite: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL C.1.3 List Charters Rules of the road: No posting should be made to more than 2 mailing lists, and only to 2 when a clear and obvious need ... There was a desire, as always, but no need. (so I removed cc: stable@ on this post, to avoid this post also breaking that rule, (on the basis that stable@ readership are more likely to already know about Not cross posting, using the Right list, as questions@ started as a target list to point clueless new users to, from /etc/motd. (It was expected as users grew experienced, they'd subscribe other lists themed to their interests.))) Noise was emitted to lists with wrong remits. advoc...@freebsd.org exists for promo. talk inc. re. wiki. Please read list remits, conform to them, subscribe appropriate lists. http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy Furthering the Use of FreeBSD Share ideas and plan to increase the number of companies and individuals using FreeBSD http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable This is the mailing list for users of freebsd-stable. the stable cvsup target is built from the latest official RELEASE with the addition of critical bug fixes. http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions This is the mailing list for questions about FreeBSD. You should not send how to questions to the technical lists unless you consider the question to be pretty technical. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, indent with . Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ The question Why are you using FreeBSD ? was a very good one , but , in my opinion , other side Why are you not using FreeBSD? would be appropriate , because in engineering , everything for any subject is - Advantages - Disadvantages When Disadvantages is NOT evaluated sufficiently well , the results mostly will be unpredictable . Instead of corrupting the original thread , I wanted to help to cover the other side in parallel to the original question . If you think , my response is unconscious , here is the my subscription list to FreeBSD mailing lists : freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org freebsd-annou...@freebsd.org freebsd-chrom...@freebsd.org freebsd-a...@freebsd.org freebsd-clus...@freebsd.org freebsd-curr...@freebsd.org freebsd-datab...@freebsd.org freebsd-...@freebsd.org freebsd-emulat...@freebsd.org freebsd-gn...@freebsd.org freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org freebsd-hardw...@freebsd.org freebsd-multime...@freebsd.org freebsd-...@freebsd.org freebsd-performa...@freebsd.org freebsd-po...@freebsd.org freebsd-questions@freebsd.org freebsd-sm...@freebsd.org freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org freebsd-standa...@freebsd.org freebsd-thre...@freebsd.org freebsd-...@freebsd.org freebsd...@freebsd.org freebsd...@freebsd.org freebsd-apa...@freebsd.org freebsd-...@freebsd.org freebsd-...@freebsd.org freebsd-driv...@freebsd.org freebsd-virtualizat...@freebsd.org freebsd-sysinst...@freebsd.org freebsd-toolch...@freebsd.org freebsd-off...@freebsd.org freebsd-desk...@freebsd.org Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:11 AM, Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr wrote: Hello I'm searching for a cloud software :-) More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) Anyone could help ? Thank you I do NOT know whether the following pages may be useful for you or not : http://www.xtreemos.org/ http://www.xtreemfs.org/ http://code.google.com/p/xtreemfs/ http://code.google.com/p/xtreemfs/ http://xtreemos-user.wiki.irisa.fr/tiki-index.php?page=Installation+tutorial https://gforge.inria.fr/scm/?group_id=411 https://gforge.inria.fr/scm/viewvc.php/?root=xtreemos http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Cloud_computing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Cloud_platforms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Free_software_for_cloud_computing Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr wrote: On 05/25/2012 04:49 PM, Arthur Chance wrote: On 05/25/12 15:12, Frank Bonnet wrote: On 05/25/2012 04:04 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: With apologies to Joni Mitchell: I've looked at clouds from both sides now, From up and down, and still somehow, It's cloud illusions I recall, I really don't know clouds, at all. Well, someone had to say it. :-) It summarises the marketing hype perfectly. fashion is quite often deciding factor not just in clothes. Actually it works just the same in IT. What is funny with cloud computing (new fashion trend) is that isn't defined at all. most probably marketing people found out that it is not needed to define anything to make people buyANYTHING. Well ... My goal was NOT to start a flame war around the cloud term ... I wasn't flaming, just remarking on the fact that the meaning of cloud depends on the company that is trying to sell you cloud related products. next time I'll choose better words :-) A bit more specific would be useful. we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices could be taken to mean anything from WebDAV/Dropbox functionality to Hadoop type processing or data mining. What sort of and how much manipulation is needed? If you answer that it would let us help you more. Well ... in short I need to let our users ( students + profs ) access and share their data ( living in their UNIX home directories ) The access must be easy and possible from as much devices as possible. Am I clear enough ? ( sorry English is not my native language ...) http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-servers.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-nfs.html 30.3 Network File System (NFS) Use NFS : Define each computer as both Server to serve to other users(s) and Client .to see the other server(s) . If there are Windows computers , you may also use SAMBA : http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-samba.html 30.9 File and Print Services for Microsoft® Windows® Clients (Samba) Windows 7 may see NFS , but previous editions , personally I do NOT know any possibility . http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/sonasic/sonas1ic/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.sonas.doc%2Fusgr_cnnctng_via_nfs_frm_wndws.html Enabling the NFS client on a Windows 7 system: 1. Select Control Panel. 2. Select Programs. 3. Select Programs and Features. 4. Select Turn Windows Features on or off. 5. Select Services for NFS. 6. Select the check box Client for NFS and click OK. Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Server
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 10:22 AM, lpeth lp...@centurytel.net wrote: FreeBSD Dear Sirs; I have a 8core, 32 GB ram server I built myself. AMD cpu, with Supermicro motherboard. I want to use FreeNAS as a database system, and I'm wondering what it will cost to use FreeBSD with FreeNAS. I see the Version I would like is $40 for a four CD set, but that does not mean I get to use the server version of it. What is the server version going to cost? Sincerely, Mark T. Evans All of these are without cost if you download and burn them to CD/DVD by yourself : http://www.freenas.org/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.3/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/ Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Inquiry from University student
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Kuan Ming Tan c3138...@uon.edu.au wrote: Hi, Im a bachelor student currently runs a project related to FreeBSD, can you provide some example of organizations which using FreeBSD? Hope to receive your reply soon! -- Regards, Tan Kuan Ming http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/nutshell.html#INTRODUCTION-NUTSHELL-USERS Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Inquiry from University student
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Kuan Ming Tan c3138...@uon.edu.au wrote: Hi, Im a bachelor student currently runs a project related to FreeBSD, can you provide some example of organizations which using FreeBSD? Hope to receive your reply soon! -- Regards, Tan Kuan Ming http://www.ixsystems.com/ix/support/software/freebsd-support?gclid=CIXb__mD564CFcJN3wodBk3TjA http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/isp.html http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/software_bycat.html http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/hardware.html http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/consult_bycat.html http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/misc.html http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/ Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Wine-fbsd64 updated to 1.4.rc6 (32bit Wine for 64bit FreeBSD)
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 12:36 AM, David Naylor naylor.b.da...@gmail.comwrote: On Tuesday, 6 March 2012 00:01:48 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:00 PM, David Naylor naylor.b.da...@gmail.comwrote: On Monday, 5 March 2012 14:17:51 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:55 AM, David Naylor naylor.b.da...@gmail.comwrote: Please include the full error message, also could you please try running those apps in a clean wine prefix. # pwd /root/APPLY/PROGRAMS # wine x.exe err : module : LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for LF:\\APPLY\\PROGRAMS\\x.exe failed , status c017 I have tried to reproduce the error on my side but was unable to. The programs that I tested work without error. This means that there are additional parts in your system which they do not exist here . Such parts are not added by pkg_add wine-fbsd64 ... . I do not have any idea about which parts may be missing . It could also mean there are extra components on your computer that are interfering however using a clean wine prefix (as mentioned below) has ruled that out. I was expecting more output from wine... Please see below about using a clean wine prefix. Do you use the nvidia graphics driver? If so please run (as root), and provide the output: # sh /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh There is NO nvidia grphics driver . It is Intel DG965WH main board with its integrated graphics driver . That eliminates my only other idea. If nothing fixes your problem then please submit a bug report at bugs.winehq.org. I could not understand the phrase : in a clean wine prefix . To run a program in a clean wine prefix do: env WINEPREFIX=/tmp/tmp_wine_prefix wine x.exe This is NOT changing the error message . Only drive become Z: . As mentioned above, eliminates possible extra components causing interference. You may need to use winetricks to install some support programs. Good luck winetricks could NOT be found . Please see http://wiki.winehq.org/winetricks for details about winetricks. Thanks . After my message , I searched winetricks in Google , and find its links . I read its list . I think , it will not contain related parts , except , perhaps fonts , comctl . I have installed fonts , all dll files , run times , without any effect on the generated error message . I tried wine which is added by pkg_add -r wine from packages in FreeBSD 9.0 RELEASE i386 as it is installed . On the same programs , the message is the same with amd64 message . To clarify: you tried running the program under an i386 installation of FreeBSD and wine gave you the same problem? Yes . I am using the ( three ) programs in Windows XP continuously and they are working in there very well . They are compiled by Delphi . Previously , in FreeBSD 7.x ( I think 7.0 or 7.1 ) i386 , I have used the same programs under Wine successfully . The previous downloads from wine-fbsd64-1.3.16,1.txz , ...1.3.37,1 ... 1.4.r3,1 ... 1.4.r3,3 series did not work because of errors displayed . I have tested wine-fbsd64-1.3.16,1.txz now once more . When the last published one ( 1.4.r4,1 ) also gave error , I decided to inform you . Also, has a previous version of wine ever worked for your program? Could you try installing an older version of wine (the mediafire page contains wine releases going back to 1.3.16). Regards Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Wine-fbsd64 updated to 1.4.rc6 (32bit Wine for 64bit FreeBSD)
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 2:16 PM, David Naylor naylor.b.da...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Packages [1] for wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc6 have been uploaded to mediafire [2]. There are many reports that wine does not work with a clang compiled world (help in fixing this problem is appreciated as it affects quite a few users). The patch [3] for nVidia users is now included in the package and is run on installation (if the relevant files are accessible). Please read the installation messages for further information. Regards, David [1] MD5 (freebsd8/wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc6,1.tbz) = 91bc2288130c25704c9f1ac9d2923a6a MD5 (freebsd9/wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc6,1.txz) = a57b6fed2401375562931f3516e1d50b [2] http://www.mediafire.com/wine_fbsd64 [3] The patch is located at /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh For any x.exe : wine x.exe is generating the following error : err: module : LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for LF:\\ ... path ... \\x.exe failed , status c017 where x.exe is in the current directory ( path is correct ) in FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE #0 ... GENERIC amd64 Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Wine-fbsd64 updated to 1.4.rc6 (32bit Wine for 64bit FreeBSD)
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:55 AM, David Naylor naylor.b.da...@gmail.comwrote: On 5 March 2012 13:41, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk m.e.sanlit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 2:16 PM, David Naylor naylor.b.da...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Packages [1] for wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc6 have been uploaded to mediafire [2]. There are many reports that wine does not work with a clang compiled world (help in fixing this problem is appreciated as it affects quite a few users). The patch [3] for nVidia users is now included in the package and is run on installation (if the relevant files are accessible). Please read the installation messages for further information. Regards, David [1] MD5 (freebsd8/wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc6,1.tbz) = 91bc2288130c25704c9f1ac9d2923a6a MD5 (freebsd9/wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc6,1.txz) = a57b6fed2401375562931f3516e1d50b [2] http://www.mediafire.com/wine_fbsd64 [3] The patch is located at /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh For any x.exe : wine x.exe is generating the following error : err: module : LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for LF:\\ ... path ... \\x.exe failed , status c017 Please include the full error message, also could you please try running those apps in a clean wine prefix. # pwd /root/APPLY/PROGRAMS # ls -l -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 5491200 Feb 17 22:27 x.exe # wine x.exe err : module : LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for LF:\\APPLY\\PROGRAMS\\x.exe failed , status c017 -- The whole message is listed above . Desktop environment is KDE4 . Execution is attempted in Konsole Terminal . In GNOME Terminal in KDE4 , the error message is the same . I could not understand the phrase : in a clean wine prefix . - where x.exe is in the current directory ( path is correct ) in FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE #0 ... GENERIC amd64 I will try reproduce this when I get $HOME. Regards Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Wine-fbsd64 updated to 1.4.rc6 (32bit Wine for 64bit FreeBSD)
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:00 PM, David Naylor naylor.b.da...@gmail.comwrote: On Monday, 5 March 2012 14:17:51 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:55 AM, David Naylor naylor.b.da...@gmail.comwrote: Please include the full error message, also could you please try running those apps in a clean wine prefix. # pwd /root/APPLY/PROGRAMS # wine x.exe err : module : LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for LF:\\APPLY\\PROGRAMS\\x.exe failed , status c017 I have tried to reproduce the error on my side but was unable to. The programs that I tested work without error. This means that there are additional parts in your system which they do not exist here . Such parts are not added by pkg_add wine-fbsd64 ... . I do not have any idea about which parts may be missing . I was expecting more output from wine... Please see below about using a clean wine prefix. Do you use the nvidia graphics driver? If so please run (as root), and provide the output: # sh /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh There is NO nvidia grphics driver . It is Intel DG965WH main board with its integrated graphics driver . If nothing fixes your problem then please submit a bug report at bugs.winehq.org. I could not understand the phrase : in a clean wine prefix . To run a program in a clean wine prefix do: env WINEPREFIX=/tmp/tmp_wine_prefix wine x.exe This is NOT changing the error message . Only drive become Z: . You may need to use winetricks to install some support programs. Good luck winetricks could NOT be found . I tried wine which is added by pkg_add -r wine from packages in FreeBSD 9.0 RELEASE i386 as it is installed . On the same programs , the message is the same with amd64 message . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Converting C++ to C
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:37 AM, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Some early implementations of C++ operated as preprocessors that emitted C code. Is there any current tool that will do that? I didn't recognize any such option in the g++ manpage, although I suppose it's possible that one of the -fdump-tree- options would come close enough. Reason: I want to make what I think would be a fairly minor change to a small (1100-line) C++ program, but I don't know C++ -- only C -- and I don't understand the program well enough to mess with it. I suspect I would be able to figure out an equivalent C program. In case it matters, I'm using FreeBSD 8.1. http://www.comeaucomputing.com/ http://www.comeaucomputing.com/tryitout/ http://www.comeaucomputing.com/faqs/genfaq.html#ccompiler http://stackoverflow.com/questions/737257/code-convert-from-c-to-c Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBsd 8.2 and Hyper-V
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Aydın Demirel aydin.demi...@endersys.comwrote: Hi; Is there aynone that can install the freebsd 8.2 with Hyper-V? Regards -- *Aydın Demirel Endersys Ltd. Sistem Destek Mühendisi/ System Support Engineer* * *Endersys is the first Advanced Business Partner of Red Hat in Turkey! http://www.europe.redhat.com/**partners/endersys/http://www.europe.redhat.com/partners/endersys/ Phone : +90 216 470 9423 | GSM : +90 530 401 8203 Fax : +90 216 470 9508 | Web : http://www.endersys.com http://www.endersys.com/ Blog : http://blog.endersys.com http://blog.endersys.com/ Twitter : http://www.twitter.com/**endersyshttp://www.twitter.com/endersys LPI : The #1 Linux Certification for IT Professionals LPI (Linux Professional Institute) Turkey http://www.lpi-turkey.com http://www.lpi-turkey.com/ http://www.bimel.com.tr/tr/hizmetler Server (UNIX / Linux / NT / 2000 altında WEB / DNS / MAIL / FTP / Firewall / Proxy) Windows, Linux, Unix İşletim Sistemleri Kurulumu http://www.bim.net.tr/tr/sunucu-kurulumu Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Software Development using Freebsd.
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Rod Person rodper...@rodperson.com wrote: On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:37:37 -0600 Jorge Biquez jbiq...@intranet.com.mx wrote: Now we will try to have a graphical mode in Freebsd. With that we would like to be able to develop graphical applications for Windows (we all know that's the market and here some companies is what they are looking), so maybe sound crazy but I am looking to develop applications for Windows without using WIndows or Microsofot products at least. You could try mono and monodevelop http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/devel/monodevelop/pkg-descr Mono is the open source version of .NET/C#. This would teach the basics of .NET and C#. Maybe I am wrong but until now I think my only option is to use Phyton. Is that correct? For what I have searched Python will let me create executables and will let me create Graphical solutions even for other platforms (Mac or LInux or whatever runs Python). You can use Python and py2exe to create the executable that would run on Windows, but you have to run py2exe on a Windows machine. If you know Pascal you can look at the FreePascal and Lazarus. I haven't used it in years, but I was able to create several applications that ran on both FreeBSD and Windows. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/editors/lazarus/pkg-descr -- Rod Person http://www.rodperson.com rodper...@rodperson.com Let us in the name of the Holy Trinity, go on sending all the slaves that can be sold. - Letter from Christopher Columbus. J.A. Rawley, The Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade: A History. Pg.3 Lazarus is an IDE ( Integrated Development Environment ) and its compiler is Free Pascal : http://www.freepascal.org/ http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/ When a program is developed in Lazarus , it can directly be compiled in Windows . There are a multitude of units for any kind of programming ( Web , Data base , etc. ) . Lazarus and FreePascal is available for FreeBSD , Linux , Windows , and many other operating systems . A study of the above sites will reveal their capabilities . http://wiki.freepascal.org/Cross_compiling_for_Win32_under_Linux http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Cross_compiling I did not use , but cross compiling should be possible by using Wine in FreeBSD to obtain Windows programs ( Windows versions of Lazarus and Free Pascal may be used in FreeBSD to generate Windows programs and they may be executed under Wine in FreeBSD for testing before transferred to Windows : This means a minimum number of Windows computer(s) may be used for final testing . ) . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [Fwd: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out]
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.orgwrote: On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:52:05AM +0100, Michel Talon wrote: having a real sat solver for the dependency tree. Currently we have a really simple and minimalistic solver which works well but if we can to go to an even finer package management we would need a real solver. Please may you expand on what you really mean here? I was under the impression that the only problem was to provide a total order on ports compatible to the partial order fixed by dependency, and this is very easy. There is for example one routine to do that in portupgrade. Or do you have something more sophisticated in mind? I mean something more sophisticated, the simple thing having things in the right order is hopefuly already done in pkgng :) I mean more something that is able to go further like resolving some conflicts by changing the ordering automatically, like offerting the ability to depends on provides e.g. depends on http_server instead of depending on apache/lighttpd/nginx/thehttpyouprefer or begin able to depends on feature. An even more. What we have now is really enough to be able to go into a full binary world (and it does really work nicely) but having a real complex sat solver, can help us go forward and imagine an even better package tool. regards, Bapt sat solver : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZYpp#SAT_solver_integration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boolean_satisfiability_problem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computational_complexity_theory Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [Fwd: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out]
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:37 AM, Anton Shterenlikht me...@bristol.ac.ukwrote: On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 06:06:33AM -0500, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:52:05AM +0100, Michel Talon wrote: having a real sat solver for the dependency tree. Currently we have a really simple and minimalistic solver which works well but if we can to go to an even finer package management we would need a real solver. Please may you expand on what you really mean here? I was under the impression that the only problem was to provide a total order on ports compatible to the partial order fixed by dependency, and this is very easy. There is for example one routine to do that in portupgrade. Or do you have something more sophisticated in mind? I mean something more sophisticated, the simple thing having things in the right order is hopefuly already done in pkgng :) I mean more something that is able to go further like resolving some conflicts by changing the ordering automatically, like offerting the ability to depends on provides e.g. depends on http_server instead of depending on apache/lighttpd/nginx/thehttpyouprefer or begin able to depends on feature. An even more. What we have now is really enough to be able to go into a full binary world (and it does really work nicely) but having a real complex sat solver, can help us go forward and imagine an even better package tool. regards, Bapt sat solver : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZYpp#SAT_solver_integration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boolean_satisfiability_problem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computational_complexity_theory wow.. that's hardcore computer science. You mean something like this: http://minisat.se/ http://www.st.ewi.tudelft.nl/sat/march_dl.php but BSD licensed? -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 Yes . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: OFF Topic. FreeBSD and Android Development
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 05:46:13PM -0600, Jorge Biquez wrote: I am interested in learning about Android Development. I am searching information on the web, documentation about how to start learning about Android Development. Any links or tips to look at are more than welcomed. Talking with a friend he told me he is learning using some tools he found but he is running them under Ubuntu. What tools are these? If you provide specifics, we might be able to provide information on whether the tools he uses work on FreeBSD as well. If any of you is developing for Android using Freebsd as your platform. Can you tell me about your experience? Tips and advice on what to use to start are welcome. I am not (yet) developing for Android on FreeBSD, but I plan to give it a try in the very near future. My first steps in that direction will probably involve writing code in Ruby, to be packaged and distributed to be used with the Scripting Layer For Android. SL4A uses JRuby, which means that Ruby applications for Android that use SL4A should have access to the standard Java libraries on Android as well (in theory: I have not tested this extensively yet). I am considering graduating to Java/Dalvik development for Android at some point, but I am not sure whether that would be necessary (or even advantageous) for my purposes, at this point. I am interested in any information your query might draw forth here, though, so I'll be watching this thread. I am not sure if this kind of off topic could be of interested to the list so please feel free to answer me directly . I think this is, in fact, on-topic for this list. It is a question particular to FreeBSD, which is the point of the freebsd-questions mailing list, as I understand it. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] The following pages may be useful if Free Pascal is used as development environment : http://wiki.freepascal.org/FPC_JVM_Android_Development http://wiki.freepascal.org/Android_Interface http://wiki.freepascal.org/Android_Interface/Using_the_Android_SDK%2C_Emulator_and_Phones http://wiki.freepascal.org/Android_Interface/OpenGL_ES_GUI http://wiki.freepascal.org/Android_Programming http://wiki.freepascal.org/Android_Interface/Native_Android_GUI http://wiki.freepascal.org/Custom_Drawn_Interface/Android where Free Pascal and Lazarus are available in FreeBSD ports . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do I feel like compact flash is more reliable than SSD ?
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 2:13 AM, UFS User ufs.u...@yahoo.com wrote: I have run a lot of different FreeBSD systems off (fileservers, firewalls, routers, etc.) off of compact flash cards[1] and have never had a CF part fail. Most of these were read-only mode, but some of them were left mounted 'rw' for years (with no swapping, of course). The bottom line is, they never failed, and some were (and are) in the field for over 8 years now. But everyone I know (including me) has had an SSD fail, usually with no explanation. So is this just chance, or ... are CF cards really a lot more reliable than SSD ? It's sloppy, but I never once considered mirroring my CF boot devices, and now in 2011 I am actually buying two *different* SSDs to put into a boot mirror because I am afraid of mirroring identical ones and they both die at identical times. Comments ? [1] Plain old store-bough Sandisk parts - so a good brand, but nothing special The following pages , and references in them , may be useful : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wear_leveling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write_amplification http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Solid-state_computer_storage_media http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Solid-state_computer_storage Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: serial consoles
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Matthew Luckie m...@luckie.org.nz wrote: On 12/25/11 01:17, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: Perhaps the following pages will be helpful : http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_**US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/** serialconsole-setup.htmlhttp://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/serialconsole-setup.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_**US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/** serial.html#SERIAL-CABLES-**PORTShttp://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/serial.html#SERIAL-CABLES-PORTS http://www.freebsddiary.org/**serial-console.phphttp://www.freebsddiary.org/serial-console.php Thank you very much . I've read them while trying to get this going. Just a comment on the freebsd handbook pages: they seem to still talk about the sio driver which I understand is deprecated in freebsd8. One thing I have not done is touch /boot/loader.conf. I'm not worried about seeing the system boot messages, just the ability to login after the system has booted -- i.e. I did not do step 2 of 27.6.2. Should I have? Matthew I think , YES , because this statement will direct the output to serial port , please , also study the part 2 7.6.5.1 Setting a Faster Serial Port Speed to see messages on the server screen . Since you are using a COMPUTER , and NOT a DUMP TERMINAL , I think you should apply steps in the page : http://www.freebsddiary.org/serial-console.php As you know , serial console is a special hardware to communicate headless computers ( without keyboard and video terminal ) . Therefore , communication with a serial console and a computer are different concepts ( which I do not know exactly , but with respect to specifications , it seems like that ) . This means that , in the client computer ( as simulator of serial console ) , it is necessary to have a program to receive output inserted into serial port by the server , and display it for you like a serial console . If you use a USB port in the client and a converter from serial-to-USB , obviously , you need that your program should be able to manage USB port for that reason . I think management of USB port and RS 232 port are very different concepts ( approximately ) . These actions are performed by the serial console by itself . Myself , I will use two computers to simulate a serial console , because I asked price of a serial console , which come out as more than 800 Euro ( in Turkey ) . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: make buildworld powers down system
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Fri, 2 Dec 2011 02:06:26 -0500 (EST), d...@safeport.com wrote: The screen does go into standby and I am not sure what is controling that, nothing in KDE or Xorg that I set, perhaps a sysctl setting but I did not see one in the acpi section. This might be a dafault option. You can override it in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf by setting Option DPMS false in the section Monitor where you define the values for your monitor. I had a similar experience with an 21 CRT Eizo F980 going to sleep unintendedly. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... Another way may be inserting the following lines into ~/.xinitrc : xset s off xset -dpms before the statement exec ... desktop_manager such as exec /usr/local/bin/gnome-session etc. OR ( every time when required ) in a terminal window of the desktop manager , enter the above xset commands , which will be effective only up to exit from the X or shutdown of the computer . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Setting up ZFS - Filesystem Properties and Installing on Root
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:34 PM, APseudoUtopia apseudouto...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, I'll be setting up a server with ZFS on 9.0-RELEASE (when it's released...). I've never used ZFS before, and although I've been reading quite a bit about it, I have some questions. My plan is to use RAID-Z1 across 4 disks. I'll be using GPT, and I would like the root to be ZFS as well. I found a guide: http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/RAIDZ1 In step #4, it has you create boot, swap, and zfs partitions on all 3 (which would be 4 in my case) disks. Then, in step #5, you install the bootloader into all 3 (4) drives. Why do you need boot and swap partitions on EACH disk? It seems to me that you would only need disk 1 to have boot, swap, and zfs, and the other 3 disks only have one partition (using the entire drive) for zfs's pool. Does it have to do with the RAIDZ1 setup? Even then, I don't understand it because it's not disk mirroring, it's RAID. The BIOS is set to look on one specific disk for the loader, not all of them. It seems I'm not understanding something entirely here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:RAID If disk 1 fails , the computer ( BIOS ) will look disk 2 . If disk 2 fails , the computer ( BIOS ) will look disk 3 . If disk ( n - 1 ) fails , the computer ( BIOS ) will look disk ( n ) . Also, with ZFS, you can have an unlimited number of filesystems, correct? I've been trying to figure out the best way to create these filesystems with the appropriate flags (specifically: atime, compression, devices, exec, quota, readonly, and setuid). If, for example, I set devices=off and suid=off on the tank/var filesystem, it is applied to the children filesystem, such as, /var/log, /var/db, and so on? The flags/properties can be changed on-the-fly, correct? If, for example, I set a filesystem noexec, but later realize I need exec, I can change it without issue? Does anyone with zfs experience have any tips on creating a filesystem layout, in terms of which filesystems to create and what flags/properties? Would it be bad to set noatime, nosuid, nodev, and noexec all on the tank, then allow each property appropriately for each directory as necessary? As in, set the whole tank noexec, but allow exec for /bin, /usr/home, /usr/local/bin, etc.? Thank you all very much! ___ Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Burning CD
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 3:59 PM, C Horman bjh...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I am interested in trying FreeBSD version 8.2 for an older computer that I have. Pentium 4, with 400MB of RAM and 2G harddrive. There is no other operating system on the computer. When I put the CD in to boot I get the message Non System disk - disk error. I have looked at the files on the CD and I see boot files and loader files, so it looks like the files are available to use? I used a free program for Windows XP to burn the ISO image to CD. Could the way the ISO image was burned onto the CD cause the disk error problem? Do you have any free software suggestions for burning a CD in Windows XP if this is the issue? Thanks, Chuck Horman If you have Nero installed properly in your Windows XP , you do not need any other program to burn a CD . With Windows Explorer , position on the .iso file and double click . When Nero starts directly burn the image . Do NOT select any Make Data , or Copy Data etc. item from menus . Directly burning an .iso file will create a boot enabled CD 9660 file system . If you burn a data CD from .iso file , it will not record boot sector , i.e. , it will not be boot enabled properly . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD idea
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 7:20 PM, David Morton toto...@gmail.com wrote: I'm very new to BSD, and had a career that left me mostly doing commercial IT help desk in Windows, but am hoping to finally learn and do something of interest to me: get deep knowledge of one platform. A local magazine, Silicon Chip; and one of it's writers have developed a little computer called the MaxiMite. Details here: http://geoffg.net/maximite.html It's a PIC32 single chip computer that I use through USB emulation of a serial port. I would like to try and build on it, and the first thought would be if it could run a limited version of BSD, as an alternative OS using the same boot loader. Microchip has an IDE, with a free version that uses C, and I speculate that much of the OS could be stored of the SD card, with only the barest minimum in the on board flash. I'm not dumping this all on others though, I am looking at adding extra RAM, and wired Ethernet; probably through an alternative hardware equivalent from Olimex that is due soon. Please reply direct to me, I haven't found how to get on the mailing list, or decided if I should. David -- David Morton PO Box 216 Geeveston TAS 7116 AUSTRALIA Email: toto...@gmail.com Mobile: 0400 560 330 Skype: david-ah-morton ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org To subscribe to freebsd-questions , please see http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/ Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [0.5 OT] Looking for recommendation on Unix shell account
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Kruppa, Peter Ulrich ulr...@pukruppa.dewrote: Hi, On 27.09.2011 14:29, Carlos A. M. dos Santos wrote: Hi, For reasons hard to explain I need to set-up a Unix (preferably FreeBSD) shell account that I can access from anywhere. Arbornet and PBS were the first names that came to my mind, but I'm open to other options. I don't mind paying a regular fee for it. Privacy and security are my main concerns. Hmm, that really depends on the reasons you can't explain. For example - if your internet service provider could give you a fixed IP Address you could just log into your own FreeBSD machine via ssh - very secure I believe. Or you could puchase one of these (virtual) root servers and there are dynamic ip services ... As I said: it depends. Greetings Peter. Thanks in advance for your recommendations. -- Peter Ulrich Kruppa Wuppertal Germany To obtain a fixed IP address , it is very likely that the ISP will provide one based on a separate subscription to static IP address , because these IP addresses are provided uniquely all over the world . Cost of static IP address subscription is not very high , it is very likely that it is around a few dollars per month . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What is xz ?
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 2:23 AM, Manish Jain invalid.poin...@gmail.comwrote: Hi all, I just downloaded FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-dvd1.iso.xz and the md5 checksum is correct. Can someone please tell me what does that xz at the end stand for ? It looks like it stands for some kind of compression (gzip/bzip2/some new format), but I can't figure out exactly which one. Thank you Regards Manish Jain [1]invalid.poin...@gmail.com References 1. mailto:invalid.poin...@gmail.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Archive_formats http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_(file_format) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XZ_Utils Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD paid support
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:35 AM, Dennis Perisa dennis.per...@gmail.comwrote: Hi guys, Are there paid support services available for FreeBSD? If provided by a 3rd party, can you name or even recommend a few? Regards Dennis_ Please see : http://www.ixsystems.com/bsdsupport Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: building a port with very long list of build options
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 3:08 AM, Carl k0802...@telus.net wrote: On 2011-04-21 8:52 PM, Polytropon wrote: This has been possible and common in the past. For example, the many options for the mplayer and mencoder ports could be specified in a file, so changing of a port's file was not needed. I'm not fully sure this option is still present, but at least on v7 it worked. Create a file Makefile.local in the port's directory and specify all your options as desired. This file will be sourced when you issue a make command and will override settings of the regular Makefile (e. g. if you want different CFLAGS for _this_ port). The file is to be in the known syntax, NAME=value. Does that solution allow for locating Makefile.local outside the ports tree so as not to contaminate builds for other targets using the same ports tree? On 2011-04-21 9:11 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: If you read the make manual page , you will see the following option : ... *-f* *makefile* Specify a makefile to read instead of the default one. ... which is used as make -f your_own_make_file_name This form will override the Makefile present in the current directory and will use the specified make file with name your_own_make_file_name . Yes, I did see that, but I interpreted that to mean my make file *replaces* the original, in which case I would need to populate my make file not only with the list of build options I want but also a copy of everything in the original make file. If I'm correct, that doesn't seem to me to be a good idea from a maintenance perspective. I was hoping for something like the -f option that somehow inserted rather than replaced. Carl / K0802647 Please study make manual page in detail . There are many more commands to be applicable , for example ( .include ) which you may use to include the original make file name Makefile at any suitable point in your own make file . Also studying the currently used Makefile files in FreeBSD may give many ideas to apply . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: building a port with very long list of build options
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Carl k0802...@telus.net wrote: Let's say I want to build a port for which I need to specify a huge number of build options (eg. ghostscript). In my case I am cross-compiling on an amd64 host for what will be a NanoBSD i386 target, but I don't think that's important here. The scenario precludes using the familiar configuration menu. The problem is that the desired list of options far exceeds what would be sane to specify on the 'make' command line. In fact, it apparently even exceeds what typical text editors tolerate when trying to enter the line in a shell script. What is the recommended solution? Given that I do not want to customize the port's Makefile, I was hoping 'make' would support a command line option that would let me simply point to a separate file containing the list of variables to add, one per line. It's not apparent to me that that exists. Carl / K0802647 If you read the make manual page , you will see the following option : ... *-f* *makefile* Specify a makefile to read instead of the default one. ... which is used as make -f your_own_make_file_name This form will override the Makefile present in the current directory and will use the specified make file with name your_own_make_file_name . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: f77 in FreeBSD 8.2
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Eduardo Viruena Silva eduardo.viru...@esfm.ipn.mx wrote: Hello, FreeBSD gurus, I have noticed that the Fortran Compiler f77 that used to be in freebsd sources is not longer there in version 8.2-stable, now it's in the obsolete software list. Nevertheless, it has some directories in the sources: /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/f77 /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/f77/Makefile /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/f771 /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/f771/Makefile /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/f77doc /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/f77doc/Makefile How can I install that compiler? The one in the ports does not work as fine as the the one in the sources. Thanks in advace, Eduardo. PS. Please answer to my e-mail address, I'm not subscribed to the list. My answer is NOT related directly to your question , please forgive me . I am using G95 ( from www.g95.org which is in the packages of FreeBSD ) in Windows and Linux , and I like it very much because it generates very good code , especially if the stack traces are enabled in command line , on run time errors it is giving nearly exact source line of the error point with a list of called subroutines chain . Since the G95 is generated from the same sources for the FreeBSD , I think there is no difference between platform related compilers . Another point is ( if your source files have .FOR extension , it is using Fortran 77 , if it is .F90 , it is using the Fortran 95 ( be careful about cases of letters ) . For such points , please read its manual . If any Fortran 77 source file has .F90 extension , it will produce a lot of errors because Fortran 77 is fixed line format based , Fortran 90 or 95 is free line format based . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: f77 in FreeBSD 8.2
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Eduardo Viruena Silva eduardo.viru...@esfm.ipn.mx wrote: On Tue, April 5, 2011 7:44 pm, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Eduardo Viruena Silva eduardo.viru...@esfm.ipn.mx wrote: Hello, FreeBSD gurus, I have noticed that the Fortran Compiler f77 that used to be in freebsd sources is not longer there in version 8.2-stable, now it's in the obsolete software list. Nevertheless, it has some directories in the sources: /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/f77 /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/f77/Makefile /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/f771 /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/f771/Makefile /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/f77doc /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/f77doc/Makefile How can I install that compiler? The one in the ports does not work as fine as the the one in the sources. Thanks in advace, Eduardo. PS. Please answer to my e-mail address, I'm not subscribed to the list. My answer is NOT related directly to your question , please forgive me . I am using G95 ( from www.g95.org which is in the packages of FreeBSD ) in Windows and Linux , and I like it very much because it generates very good code , especially if the stack traces are enabled in command line , on run time errors it is giving nearly exact source line of the error point with a list of called subroutines chain . Since the G95 is generated from the same sources for the FreeBSD , I think there is no difference between platform related compilers . Another point is ( if your source files have .FOR extension , it is using Fortran 77 , if it is .F90 , it is using the Fortran 95 ( be careful about cases of letters ) . For such points , please read its manual . If any Fortran 77 source file has .F90 extension , it will produce a lot of errors because Fortran 77 is fixed line format based , Fortran 90 or 95 is free line format based . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Thanks Mehmet. I'd better start promoting the use of g95. Some people in the list say that f77 users must move on in their lives and leave f77 behind. Something curious is happening, g95 does not seem to find its library libg95. I have to write explicitly: g95 foo.for -o foo -L/usr/local/lib to compile the program foo. /etc/rc.d/ldconfig restart does not fix the problem. Any ideas? Thanks for answering, Eduardo. The command line is important for g95 . Therefore , please write a complete command line for compilation . Since these are multi-platform software AND different platforms are NOT equivalent in their directory structure , I think , these facts are not very important points . My approach is to use a batch file in Windows and a shell script in Linux to compile programs : For example : g95-cte.sh ( cte : compile to executable , there is another cts : compile to syntax ) g95 -ftrace=full -o $1 $1.FOR ( -ftrace=full means , generate code to produce call chain trace on run-time error . ) To compile a program , use it as follows ( use your extension as it is : .for or .FOR , FreeBSD is case-sensitive ) : g95-cte.sh hello Move g95-cte.sh after making it executable into a directory which it is in the $PATH , then it will be possible to use g95-cte.sh from any directory . For specially required directories , add their names into its command line with suitable prefixes . In the following page , http://www.g95.org/downloads.shtml there are binaries for FreeBSD . Since they are specific to platforms , they MAY NOT require specification of libraries , but , again , these are NOT important , specify them in shell script command line only one time , then use it continuously . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: IDE -- mount partitions for better performance
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 3:17 PM, freebsd_u...@guice.ath.cx wrote: Annotated below ... Hi, On Tuesday 15 March 2011 07:00:30 freebsd_u...@guice.ath.cx wrote: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Guidance with the following: We are limited to Support for ATA-100/66/33 IDE and ATAPI compliant devices. With that said, we have our atapi/33 optical on a add in controller (PCI) and are seeking to place four HDD’s on the main boards controllers. Our dilemma is where to place /, /tmp, /usr and /var from a performance standpoint. We understand that /var does quite a bit of writing and probably should go on the master hdd, but what about the /usr, /tmp and root? Hell, I’m not sure my thinking is sane as to where I ‘think’ /var should be placed/mounted. did I get it right? You have four hard disks? Yes, four separate HDD's If so, place /, /var /tmp on indiidual drives. Make the fourth disk usr and mount the remaining space of the other three disks inside /usr/home. Are you suggesting something similar to: /dev/ad4s1a for / /dev/ad4s2a for /tmp /dev/ad4s3a for /usr /dev/ad4s4a for /var If so, my initial can current concern is which device (hdd) from the above list/configuration, should be connected to which cable connector (master or slave)? --depending on how much writing to a particular device is taking place; for instance during a 'build world' or while building anything from src. there is quite a bit of writing going on. I would think that making the disk/slice that is being written to a slave would decrease performance when the master to that slave is also being written to simultaneously. In such a case the slave would need to wait until the master is done writing before the slave would be able to write; Is my thinking on this sane? Please enlighten me/us. Thank you. Locate then stuff on the other three disks which you expect to be used in parallel with the /usr disk. I'm lost on the above suggestion; not understanding this. Of course, you can mount it anywhere else if you want. Erich When four IDE hard disks are usable , then there should be at least two IDE connectors on the main board . IDE cables have two connectors ( connectors near to each other ) . The outer connector is for MASTER , the INNER connector is for SLAVE . IDE hard disks have JUMPERS to set the MASTER and SLAVE hard disks , and it is very likely that on the hard disk , information about jumper settings are printed . When there is no such information printed , it is possible that it is printed in its manual , or it may be available from its producer web site . MASTER hard disk should be connected to outer connector , SLAVE hard disk should be connected to INNER connector . Then , the computer will identify these hard disks with respect to connector on the main board , and MASTER and SLAVE settings of the hard disks . Then , it will list them as /dev/ad1... , /dev/ad2... , /dev/ad3... , /dev/ad4... , or other ad(Numbers) depending on mother board IDE ports settings ( there may be add-on IDE cards ) , or installer may label them differently . If the hard disks are different from each other , it is easy to identify which disk is detected as which device . ( Installer will list information about their sizes ( and , perhaps trade marks ) . ) Assume that all of the hard disks are the same . Then , it is very likely that the connector slot 0 will be detected first , and the connector slot 1 will be detected as second . To be exactly sure , the following steps may be applied . ( Absolutely power down the computer for hardware modifications ) : ( Record detected connected device names . ) ( On the mother board , slot numbers or letters may be printed explicitly . ) Disconnect connector in IDE slot 1 and detect disks in connector in IDE slot 0 . Then , disconnect connector in IDE slot 0 and connect IDE slot 1 connector and detect disks in IDE slot 1. Then , connect connector in IDE slot 0 and detect all of the disks . After obtaining exact device names of the hard disks , final installation may be performed . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why does my 8.2-RC3 dvd1 boot DOS?
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Chuck Bacon c...@cape.com wrote: I downloaded it yesterday. Here's the facts: 1. md5 matches CHECKSUM.MD5 2. When I boot off the BIOS, it takes a half minute or so, and then: voila! PC-DOS boots, and for all the world look as though it will boot a larger system; except it doesn't have a clue. Here's the hypothesis: The FreeBSD-8.3-RC3 boot loader doesn't satisfy my BIOS, and the BIOS looks through the dvd until it finds one of the DOS boot loaders provided by some fdisk variant. Any ideas why? If nothing else, I'll download disc1. Praps that'll work! Many thanks, Chuck Bacon -- c...@cape.com ABHOR SECRECY -- DEFEND PRIVACY In FreeBSD DVD , there is NO any PC-DOS . Please , check your BIOS boot device sequence list . In that list CD/DVD drive should come before HDD , if it exists in that list . If CD/DVD drive is listed before HDD , but it is NOT booting from DVD : Your DVD is NOT burned properly , or , your BIOS is NOT able to boot from DVD . In that case CD may be used . For that case , manual of your computer may be helpful to understand its booting ability . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Corrupted MAC on input. Disconnecting: Packet corrupt
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Julien Cigar jci...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 01/11/2011 10:43, Julien Cigar wrote: Hello, I'm facing a very strange problem on a machine: When I unzip a file (I'm 100% sure the file is not corrupted) and I get the following: jci...@frodon ~ % ssh 10.0.0.225 Password: jci...@dev ~ % unzip elgg-1.7.6.zip Archive: elgg-1.7.6.zip creating: elgg-1.7.6/ creating: elgg-1.7.6/engine/ inflating: elgg-1.7.6/engine/settings.example.php creating: elgg-1.7.6/engine/handlers/ creating: elgg-1.7.6/mod/tinymce/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/langs/ inflating: elgg-1.7.6/mod/tinymce/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/langs/en_dlg.js inflating: elgg-1.7.6/mod/tinymce/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/editor_plugin.js inflating: elgg-1.7.6/mod/tinymce/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/emotions.htm Corrupted MAC on input. Disconnecting: Packet corrupt jci...@frodon ~ % The system is running 8.2-RC1 (amd64). I had the same problem under 8.1-RELEASE (I thought it was a bug in the Ethernet driver, so I upgraded to 8.2-RC1) The card is: a...@pci0:2:0:0: class=0x02 card=0x82261043 chip=0x10481969 rev=0xb0 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Attansic (Now owned by Atheros)' device = 'Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000 Base-T Controller (Atheros L1)' class = network subclass = ethernet Any idea what could be the problem ? Thanks, Julien OK, I dug a bit and found the problem ... I have 4 memory slots on the motherboard : D C B A When I put a memory stick in A _or_ C it works When I put memory sticks in A _and_ C it works too However, when I put memory sticks in A _and_ B or A _and_ B _and_ C it fails ... (dual channel) Could it be a bug... or a broken Bios ? In main boards , memory channels mainly are colored pair-wise , for example Red-Blue , Red-Blue . One of the colors is Zero channel , the other 1 channel . For Intel 1366 pin sockets , there are 3 pairs : for example , Red-Blue , Red-Blue , Red-Blue . When memory chips are installed , first zero channels should be filled , then one channels , as in increasing order . Placing memory chips arbitrarily will get a non-working main board , which is NOT a bug , but production principle . Another principle is when more than one chip is installed , they should be the SAME in pair-wise , for example Red channels having the same size , Blue channels having the same size as Mega or Giga bytes , and they should have same Mega-Hertz speed . The more complete and correct information may be obtained from your main board manual . Another point is ´Supported memory´ chips list . When you want to use memory chips , it is necessary to study main board supported chips list and select among them . It seems that your memory chips are correctly selected , but please insert them as instructed by the main board manual . In other combinations , working is accidental and I do not know there may be other problems associated incorrect placement . Personally I never insert chips in a way other than defined in manual . Some main boards may check correctness of insertions and it my give failure indicator beeps , but some main boards may not check , but will not work as you expected : Everything is working as single ones , but they are not working in combination . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Creating clone of a HDD including boot partition
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:57 PM, bsd b...@todoo.biz wrote: Just to be precise, I am not trying to do an ISO image of a running root FS, but of a USB attached disk. … I did not apply the following steps for FreeBSD , but I have applied them in Mandriva Linux a few times : Assume that the operating system is broken and it is not possible to repair it , and the data files are not destroyed ( in Mandriva Linux , /home/ is in a different partition ) . I am removing power line of broken OS hard disk ( to prevent accidental overwrite ) . I am attaching a new hard disk . I am installing the Mandriva Linux from scratch onto the new hard disk . I am attaching the power line of previous hard disk . I am mounting required partition(s) of the previous hard disk . I am using copy from previous hard disk with recursive parameter on required directories . After making a complete copy and verifying that everything is copied properly , I am re-using the previous hard disk for another task ( mostly it remains on the same computer for a possible new recovery ) . In that way , it is not necessary to use same size hard disks . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Compiling software with different compiler than cc or clang results in unusable output
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 5:43 AM, Andrew Brampton brampton+free...@gmail.combrampton%2bfree...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 September 2010 10:28, O. Hartmann ohart...@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: Dear Sirs, you see me a kind of desperate. I wrote my own a small piece of software in C, calculating the orbit and position of astronomical objects, astroids, in a heliocentric coordinate system from Keplerian orbital elements. So far. The software calculates the set of points of an ellipse based upon ephemeridal datas taken from the Minor Planet Cataloge. Again, so far, everything all right. The set of points of an orbit is all right and correct. But when it comes to positions at a specific time, then I loose hair! Compiling this piece of software with FreeBSD's gcc (V4.2) and clang (clang devel) on my private and lab's FreeBSD boxes (both most recent FreeBSD 8.1/amd64), this program does well, the calculated orbital positions are very close to professional applications or observational checks. But when compiling the sources with gcc44 or gcc45 (same source, same CFLAG setting, mostly no CFLAGS set), then there is a great discrepancy. Sometimes when plotting positions, the results plotted seconds before differs from the most recent. The ellipses are allways correct, but the position of a single point at a specific time isn't correct. I use the GNU autotools to build the package. I suspekt miscompilations in memory alloction or in some time- or mathematical functions like sin, cos. before I digg deeper I'd like to ask the community for some hints how to hunt down such a problem. regards, Oliver Sounds a cool project. I suspect you are miss-using a feature of C or are using uninitialised memory, and with gcc44/45's more aggressive optimisations it is getting it wrong. I have three suggestions 1) Use valgrind to check if it finds anything wrong when running your program. Check both the good and the bad builds. 2) If your program is made up of multiple C files, then try compiling all of the C files with gcc42, but just one at a time with gcc44. This way will help you track down exactly which C file has the bug. 3) Finally do some printf debugging to find the first line of code that is generating the wrong value. I hope these suggestions help. Andrew Another check may be to use Sun Studio C and or Fortran compilers . These can be used in Linux ( Linux version of Sun Studio ) and/or OpenSolaris or Solaris ( Solaris version of SunStudio ( both in x86 , x86_64 , Sparc ) ( all of them are ( Solaris , OpenSolaris , Sun Studio , Linux ) free ) . All of them are freely downloadable from www.sun.com and/or www.opensolaris.com ( these sites or their pages may be redirected to www.oracle.com owned pages ) . Personally I tried GCC compilers , but I found that they are very unreliable . Now I am using Sun Studio compilers in OpenSolaris and Linux , and never GCC compilers . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Compiling software with different compiler than cc or clang results in unusable output
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 10:05 AM, O. Hartmann ohart...@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: Hello. Well, the only other architectures I have access to are Linux boxes. clang ist a very nice compiler since its syntax checking is formidable. But its code is slow and there seems no OpenMP support at the moment. Oliver The following pages may be useful : www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solarisstudio/downloads/index-jsp-141149.html www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solarisstudio/downloads/index-jsp-136197.html www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solarisstudio/documentation/express-june2010-137081.html ( Please notice Support for OpenMP 3.0 features in the C, C++, and Fortran compilers: ) This means that you may use Oracle Solaris Studio on Linux with OpenMP 3.0 support immediately . I do not know whether they can be used in FreeBSD as Linux programs or not , because I did not study such a possibility . For me , using Linux directly is easy . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open Mail Relay
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 9:29 AM, pe...@vfemail.net wrote: I have a machine running FreeBSD, sendmail and majordomo. I have someone who is on one of those majordomo lists complaining that they are receiving spam from me. The complainer says I have an open mail relay that I need to fix. I went to http://www.abuse.net/relay.htmlhttp://www.abuse.net/relay.htmlto test the machine using its IP address. Abuse.net gives a clean bill of health, saying relaying was denied in 17 separate tests. I've reviewed my mail logs for the past couple of days and I can't find any entries for any mail addressed to the complainer's domain name except mail that should have been sent. Is Abuse.net's test adequate to rule out an open mail relay problem? In previous weeks , I have received continuously messages about sending spam messages from my IP . They started by sending messages about undelivered mails which claimed to be originated from my computer . Later , they started to send me suggestions about how to remove proxy server acquired in my computer which is sending bulk spam messages . All of their text suggestions were complete executable codes . All of the messages were using faked names of my ISP officials . They tried very hard to infect my computer . At the end I have send a complaint message to my ISP authorities . After that , even I have received many such messages . In those days they are not sending such messages , or they are prevented by my ISP systems , I do not know . Based on such an experience , please be careful about such claims , and do not try to decompose their message attachments because their names of message attachments are also not related to content they contain . Use programs to dissect such messages without making any harm to your systems , for example convert their extensions to .txt and try to read them by a text editor . If they are really texts , they should be readable . Even , content of some messages were completely executable binary . I think some criminals started to perform such a ploy to infect computers by persuading users to try to clean their computers by applying their advices based on generated fear on attacked persons . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Gnome startup awfully slow (7.3, gnome2.30)
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 7:18 AM, Ewald Jenisch a...@jenisch.at wrote: Hi, On my system (FreeBSD 7.3 AMD64, system kernel current as per today) it takes awully long to start up gnome (2.30) - awfully long meaning 2-3 minutes (this is on a Intel quadcore-CPU with 4GB RAM!) In my /etc/rc.conf I've got gnome_enable=YES I've already ruled out the usual suspect being a missing/wrong entry in /etc/hosts (http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/faq2.html#q20); my hostname ist resolvable including reverse-resolution, plus I've got the entries in my /etc/hosts. Is there any way to speed up gnome startup - or at least a pointer as to where I can start looking for the cause of the problem? Thanks in advance for any clue, -ewald One possibility may be that X system is trying to auto-detect your hardware which is taking time . Checking X configuration files and making them conforming to your hardware may eliminate this possibility . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How long do you go without upgrading FreeBSD to a newer release?
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Roger Vetterberg ro...@vetterberg.comwrote: On 2010-05-16 17:42, Dan Naumov wrote: Hello folks [snip] Do you liva by the If it's not broken, don't fix it mantra or do you religiously keep your OS installations up to date? - Sincerely, Dan Naumov Depends on the installation requirements. I know of two 2.2.8 installations on PII hardware still running like champs, not a glitch in god knows how many years of 24/7 operation. None of them are exposed externally so there are no security considerations. The customers that runs them are still more then happy with their servers so I'm actually a bit curious to see how long they will keep them running. I have a few other servers that are highly exposed. My mantra there is to run _verified_ software. Not necessarily the latest, but software that has no known bugs and has been well tested. To religiously update everytime there is a new version and blame it on security is stupid. How do you know that a brand new version of a software does not contain a big gaping security hole unless it has been tested in the wild yet? -- R More than two years I am studying FreeBSD and some Linux distributions , mostly I am using Mandriva Linux ( attaching USB sticks mounts them automatically , and burning CD/DVD is very easy . No one of them require mount . ) . After very desperate experiences ( loss of collection of large amounts of downloaded documents and other files after upgrading the operating system either by automatic update , or approved update of installed components ) I have learned that upgrading an actively used operating system ( including Windows ) is plainly wrong . Now I am NOT upgrading any more any one ( I have turned Off automatic updates , and I am ignoring notices about availability upgrades ) . The best policy seems to be one of the following : (i) install onto a new computer , test it , and if it is working very well transfer data onto new system , and keep old system for a new release/update cycle . This step is most suitable for production systems exposed to outer world . (ii) attach a new hard disk to the computer , copy all of the present files to the new system , update it , test it , if it is successful , use previous hard disk for a new release/update cycle , (iii) back-up all of the data , and try update . Testing suitability may take a long time . In steps (ii) and (iii) , do not load new data during tests , because at the end , all of them may be destroyed . ( No one of the above steps are suitable for a proprietary , activation based operating system because they are not allowing so many computer and/or hard disk changes . ) Therefore , the problem is a system analysis and design process . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Small computer to run a GUI?
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Liontaur liont...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for your tips and suggestions all. I ended up going with a mini itx atom solution with a SSD drive to keep the heat down some more. I'll let you know how it goes since i'll be putting FreeBSD on it. It's going to be a web browser mostly so we'll see how it goes. Thanks again. Mark For the SSD drives , to read the following page , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive and other related pages may be useful , for selection of a hard disk drive . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Small computer to run a GUI?
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Liontaur liont...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like you want a netbook. -- Adam Vande More I was more thinking of something without a monitor, keyboard or mouse. I want to put it in a cupboard and not worry about it. With a netbook i'd probably have to leave it open (or else it would go into suspend mode or heat up or...). I was just hoping for something Soekris size but with a VGA output. Mark In the page , http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboard/index.htm?iid=mbd_body+dt_all you may study boards such as http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/DH57JG/DH57JG-overview.htm http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/DG45FC/DG45FC-overview.htm http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/DG45FC/DG45FC-overview.htm http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/DG41MJ/DG41MJ-overview.htm http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/D510MO/D510MO-overview.htm http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/D410PT/D410PT-overview.htm These are mini-ITX boards . In this mailing list you may find many messages about mini-ITX boards and their suitability for FreeBSD . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Free BSD Licensing
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:40 AM, jegue...@rockwellcollins.com wrote: Free BSD representative, I am inquiring if Free BSD is installable under the The GNU General Public License (short: GNU GPL or simply GPL)? Need to verify that for the requester of this software as coming through our subcontracts division. Jack Guelff Subcontracts Administrator Software and Intellectual Property Licensing Office: (319) 263-0985 Fax: (319) 295-2075 jegue...@rockwellcollins.com I am NOT a lawyer , therefore my views can not be considered a legal advice . I think , your best action would be to ask to a lawyer ( being expert on copyright and licensing issues ) for legal issues of such a question to be answered properly . If you consider GPL , its most important requirement is that when a GPL licensed software is distributed to others , the source is also should be supplied with respect to GPL license rules . A BSD licensed software can be used in ANY WAY without removing its license and copyright terms . If you study http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#CombinePublicDomainWithGPL http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#OrigBSD you will see that it is not possible to combine each free and permissive licensed software with a GPL licensed software . Therefore , for FreeBSD , it is necessary to review each file with respect to GPL combination . Another point is that GPL license can cover only USED parts within a GPL licensed software . If FreeBSD is not , let´s say , called by , or linked into a GPL licensed software , it will NOT be GPL license covered . It is obvious that any software with its own license terms can NOT be re-licensed as GPL licensed software , at least because GPL can NOT remove its own license , but it can or can not be utilized within a GPL licensed software . As a result , my opinion is that FreeBSD can NOT be re-licensed as a GPL licensed software as a whole . In reality , this is not necessary also because FreeBSD sources are open to public through its source repositories . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 2.0.5 Release
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Paul Shi shih...@hkusua.hku.hk wrote: Dear All, I am looking for a FreeBSD release which is most similar to 4.4 BSD-Lite and I chose FreeBSD 2.0.5, the oldest release since 4.4 BSD-Lite. However, after downloading iso file from archive ftp://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ ftp://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/4.3/ and burning to CDROM, it still will not boot from CDROM. The burning process should be fine since I just got it correctly as some of you may be aware. So I wondering if it is possible that the ISO file has been broken. Is there any one who maintains older archive know the validity of ISO file. Thank you very much! Your sincerely, Paul Shi Electronic and Communication Engineering Senior Department of Electrical and Electronic Engineering University of Hong Kong Those first FreeBSD releases can NOT boot from present IDE or SATA CD-ROM drives but from older type drives such as previous Sound Blaster sound card attached CD-ROM drives which they are NOT IDE drives . Please check this issue . I do NOT know how to generate an .iso from those older FreeBSD sources to enable them to boot from IDE or SATA CD-ROM drives or from USB sticks . Perhaps you may start booting from floppies . The manual associated with FreeBSD 2.0.5 may contain information about booting from floppies . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 8.0 installation doesn't contain X distributions
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Reed Loefgren rloefg...@forethought.netwrote: Exactly. Most desktop users want a working system in the minimum of time (Can't blame them for that). Even with packages, we cannot beat an image-based distro, esp. since it will also provide all essential default settings. If I might butt in: If the user-to-be wants a working system in 5 minutes could there be a link on the FreeBSD homepage itself directing them to PC-BSD (or similar) .ISOs? Perhaps with an addendum that, while they can download and install FreeBSD 'straight up, no chaser' using an image from the FreeBSD page, it *isn't* going to be 5 minutes and perhaps a derivative version might be their best bet. Just a thought, r After trying installation of FreeBSD 8.0 Release ( before RCs ) without success ( Gnome : Some menu elements are not working , for example shutdown , it is becoming necessary to open a terminal and explicitly write shutdown -p now , it is not possible to every thing by terminal or GUI elements ) , ( KDE4 : Konsole not working because after a short show of terminal window , it is disappearing , it is not possible to do every thing without Konsole ) , ( XFCE - It is becoming rock solid due to key board insensitivity , on the same computer many operating systems are working , from FreeBSD to many Linux distributions ) . After those attempts , I have installed DesktopBSD 1.7 . I can say that it is a WONDERFUL FreeBSD distribution based on FreeBSD 7.2 and KDE4 where FreeBSD 7.2 from www.FreeBSD.org can not be compared with its beatiness . Now , I am waiting FreeBSD 8.x from www.FreeBSD.org , where x 0 , with the hope that it will be possible to have an easily usable FreeBSD distribution . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: source code licensing questions
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:42 AM, son goku ryu.pla...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks guys for the prompt answers!!! It seems weird that code that uses dtrace must be opened. I mean every serious production level application must have some dtrace-like mechanism inside to collect online information when needed. It is a shame that because of licensing issues, I will have to roll-my-own and re-invent the wheel all over again, probably with cruder and implementation that is more flawed compared to dtrace. I wonder what all the proprietary modules for Solaris (VxVM jumps to mind...) or BSD do? Or there are no such modules anymore... http://www.sun.com/cddl/ - http://www.sun.com/cddl/cddl.html - *1.3. “Covered Software”* means (a) the Original Software, or (b) Modifications, or (c) the combination of files containing Original Software with files containing Modifications, in each case including portions thereof. - *1.6. “Larger Work”* means a work which combines Covered Software or portions thereof with code not governed by the terms of this License. - - *3.6. Larger Works.* You may create a Larger Work by combining Covered Software with other code not governed by the terms of this License and distribute the Larger Work as a single product. In such a case, You must make sure the requirements of this License are fulfilled for the Covered Software. -- http://www.opensource.org/licenses/cddl1.php http://opensolaris.org/os/licensing/cddllicense.txt http://opensolaris.org/os/licensing/opensolaris_license/ http://www.opensolaris.com/licensing/opensolaris_license/ http://www.netbeans.org/cddl.html http://www.openmediacommons.org/CDDL_License.html http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html Common Development and Distribution License (CDDL), version 1.0http://www.opensolaris.org/os/licensing/cddllicense.txt This is a free software license. It has a copyleft with a scope that's similar to the one in the Mozilla Public License, which makes it incompatible with the GNU GPL http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html. This means a module covered by the GPL and a module covered by the CDDL cannot legally be linked together. We urge you not to use the CDDL for this reason. Also unfortunate in the CDDL is its use of the term “intellectual propertyhttp://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.html ”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Development_and_Distribution_License http://soundadvice.id.au/blog/2005/02/04/#cddl === http://www.opensolaris.org/os/about/faq/licensing_faq/ *If I use code licensed under the CDDL in my proprietary product, will I have to share my source code?* Yes, for any source files that are licensed under the CDDL and any modifications you make. However, you don't need to share the source for your proprietary source files. === http://lwn.net/Articles/114839/ I am NOT a lawyer , therefore my opinions does NOT have any legal value . In short , CDDL does NOT require to disclose your OWN proprietary sources , BUT ONLY requires to explicitly supply CDDL licensed parts with any changes applied to them with respect to CDDL license . If you are a commercial entity my suggestion would be to seek legal advise from a lawyer with expertise on software licenses and copyrights . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: processor concern
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Ergosky powerg...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi. I want to download and start using FreeBSD but I've investigated about the differences between the processors architecture. My processor has a i686 architecture but there just seems to be a i386 full-arquitecture supported by the OS. I want to know if there's a distribution optimized for my processor's architecture to take full advantage of it's performance. Thanks in advance for your response. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Acronym i386 is used for Intel processors and their equivalents ( for example , AMD ) in 32 bits mode . Acronym amd64 is used for Intel processors and their equivalents ( for example , AMD ) in 64 bits mode . Therefore , please check exact model of your processor whether it can use 64 bits mode or not . Then you may select a suitable distribution . More detailed information may be found in release notes for distributions . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Advertising Inquiry
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Kate Werrett kwerr...@enticelabs.comwrote: Are you the right person to talk to about advertising on www.freebsd.org? Thank you, Kate Werrett Publisher Analyst EnticeLabs, Inc. (801) 692-4058 kwerr...@enticelabs.com You may ask directly to webmas...@freebsd.org I think they are the most knowledgeable persons about FreeBSD web site management issues . If they find it useful , they may attach a new page having sections , for example : Advertisements about . Software for FreeBSD . Hardware for FreeBSD . Services for FreeBSD . . others . In that way people may be informed about products and services about FreeBSD and FreeBSD Project may be financed partly by advertisements . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Find boot only dowlod of the FreeBSD release 5.2.1
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 3:48 AM, mut_mainn...@telkom.net wrote: Dear Madam / Mr FreeBSD.org I am sorry in advance, i trayed to find boot only downlod of the FreeBSD release5.2.1 in http//www.freebsd.org and in others but i not find it yet. My CPU had two OS (F1 as windows F2 as FreeBSD release 5.2.1 ). I have trobel to create initial F1 as window and F2 as FreeBSD againt after i installed windows. In the moment, i still use GNOME facilities for moving from windows to FreeBSD ( or FreeBSD to windows) so it NOT outomaticly to changes. Could you like to help me or whould you like to send information to me) so i can downlod Boot only of the FreeBSD release 5.2.1 in outomaticly. I am sorry inconvenience, Thank you for your help in advance. Best Regard Mutmainnah Please , see ftp://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/i386/ Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 4.11 panic every 23 hours 55 minutes or so
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Doug Lee d...@dlee.org wrote: On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 07:39:46AM -0400, Glen Barber wrote: On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 7:06 AM, Doug Lee d...@dlee.org wrote: One of the weirder things I've seen in a while here... OS: FreeBSD 4.11 (yeah I know, old, but generally stable) CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz real memory ?= 536608768 (524032K bytes) Hds: IDE Do you by chance have the kernel built with debugging enabled? Afraid not, nor much space in / for that. I partitioned this system before /modules arrived, and I barely have enough space in / now (about 3 meg free). That shouldn't affect this issue though; I do have separate /usr, /var, and /tmp. I do mount /tmp and /var/run via MFS. Problem: ?Ever since a suspitious power outage (I say suspitious because we think a surge was also involved), this box has been exhibiting kernel panics about every 23 hours 55 minutes, give or take about 4 minutes either way. ?Obviously hardware is suspect, and hopefully in line for upgrade; but as FreeBSD has always proven so stable for me, I'm curious what on earth could cause this sort of regular panic? It's not time of day; if I reboot at 2:00 AM, 3:55 PM, or any other time, it's 23:55 or so later I get a panic, whenever that may be. I think this rules out cron jobs, external attacks, and load-based issues. Perhaps a bad CMOS battery causing the system time to become corrupted? (I know it's a long shot...) Interesting idea, though I'd be surprised since I think the system time is set via ntpd, is it not? `date' seems to recover nicely every time anyway. A power surge could indeed play with CMOS though... but how would I test for this while the system is running? -- Doug Lee d...@dlee.orghttp://www.dlee.org SSB BART Group doug@ssbbartgroup.com http://www.ssbbartgroup.com Pray devoutly, but hammer stoutly. --Sir William G. Benham Another problem may be as follows : I am living an area nearby to industrial factories . When they are started or stopped . they are causing important fluctuation in my home current in such a way that even uninterruptible power supplies are becoming not able to balance their effects . Such an effect may be present in your area . In that hour regularly such a system may start and cause a current fluctuation that it may boot your computer(s) . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Licensing
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca wrote: I've got a question that is likely not suited for this list, but I know that there are people here who can guide me off-list. Being a network engineer, I'm far from a developer. With that said, I've written numerous network automation programs (mostly in Perl), and have developed several small patches for software written in C related to ISP operations (including the OS itself). I'm looking for advice on how I can take all of my code, and license it into the public domain. I'm sure that most people won't have any interest in it, but I really want to ensure that what I have done is freely accessible. All of my code is pretty well separated into different files that contain different functions, so isolating portions of my programs that use modules or functions that are external is not a problem. GPL seems too verbose legally for me. Can the BSD license fit into any code, no matter what language it is in, and if so, can I have my code overlooked by someone who can verify that the BSD license will fit? Steve Dear Steve , You may inspect the following pages and links in them : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Free_software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Free_software_licenses http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Software_by_license http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Software_licenses http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Software_distribution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Public_domain I am not a lawyer and I can not comment on your possible decisions . My suggestion would be to study related laws in your country before making software available to public because some companies may not allow employees to disclose any software whether they write themselves without getting any support form their employers . There is no any relationship between programming language used and the license kind selected . License is the terms of use of the disclosed sources by the others . Another concept is Copyrights . You can only license a source which its copyright is exactly belongs to you . In some countries specifying a copyright on a work actually copyrighted by another entity may induce a legal penalty . For me , the best license is BSD-style licenses because recipients of software may use them in open and closed source applications . Since licenses like GPL and LGPL Version 3 requires disclosure of linked main programs , they can not be used in closed source applications . Therefore , any commercial entity can not use them and would NOT support them . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Licensing
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Mike Jeays mike.je...@rogers.com wrote: On May 8, 2009 01:09:51 am Steve Bertrand wrote: I've got a question that is likely not suited for this list, but I know that there are people here who can guide me off-list. Being a network engineer, I'm far from a developer. With that said, I've written numerous network automation programs (mostly in Perl), and have developed several small patches for software written in C related to ISP operations (including the OS itself). I'm looking for advice on how I can take all of my code, and license it into the public domain. I'm sure that most people won't have any interest in it, but I really want to ensure that what I have done is freely accessible. All of my code is pretty well separated into different files that contain different functions, so isolating portions of my programs that use modules or functions that are external is not a problem. GPL seems too verbose legally for me. Can the BSD license fit into any code, no matter what language it is in, and if so, can I have my code overlooked by someone who can verify that the BSD license will fit? Steve I would keep away from the term 'public domain', which means you would lose any rights to it whatsoever. Public Domain does NOT invalidate Copyright : The owner of the work is the copyright holder . Public Domain is a license kind which means that there is no any condition on the usage . For example , BSD-style licenses generally are mentioned as 2-clause ( conditions ) , 3-clause ( conditions ) , etc. . Public Domain license means Zero-clause license . I don't think the language makes any difference. Basically, the BSD license is OK if you don't mind others taking the code, modifying it and distributing binaries without making the modified source available. If you don't like the last part, consider the GPL. Language and used libraries sometimes may cause problems for the users of the sources when they want to distribute executables . For example , if a BSD-style licensed source uses GPL parts as called procedures , NOT the users of the both sources have any restriction , but when executable is distributed to others , BSD-style licensed sources also should be distributed due to GPL conditions although BSD-styled licensed part itself does not require distribution . My opinion is that most restrictive license is GPL although it is claimed that it gives freedom to users to get the source and modify it when they need . One point is forgotten or ignored : A BSD-style licensed source is also available from its originators whether it is distributed by its users or not . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Modern FreeBSD Installer?
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Giorgos Keramidas keram...@ceid.upatras.gr wrote: On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 02:18:55 +0200, Erik Trulsson ertr1...@student.uu.se wrote: Better would be to check (somehow) for the presence of a keyboard and a screen. If those are not present forget about X. If they are present then the user at least has a possibility of using X. Deferring to the user all the decisions that are impossible to make with a reasonable chance of doing the Right Thing for everyone seems ok too. Solaris has been shipping for quite some time with an installer that can run on serial consoles, an installer that can launch a simple terminal-based session under X11, and an installer that can launch a Java GUI version in all its bloated glory. The decision of which installer to launch is left to the user who sits on the boot console, who is presented with a simple menu like: +---+ | | | Please select installation type (default = 3): _ | | | | 1. Text-only console installation. | | | | 2. Terminal based GUI installation. | | | | 3. Dialog driven GUI installation. | | | +---+ There is also a timeout that launches the user-friendly GUI dialogs after a few seconds. I think this is a reasonable approach to the problem of which installation mode to launch. The default is `user friendly', there is a timeout so the installer won't get stuck forever in the prompt, and there is still an option for a plain console-based installation for everyone who wants to go that way. _ Last week I have installed Solaris 10 ( 2008-10 ) on a PC ( x86 ) having an Intel main board . It did not recognize Philips 220WS LCD ( 1680 x 1050 ) monitor and selected itself a text-mode install and also booted in text mode . I moved its hard disk to a PC with an Asus main board having an attached CRT Philips 109B6 ( maximum resolution : 1920 x 1440 ) monitor . Since boards were different , Solaris 10 could not boot . I started an upgrade installation . During that time it become necessary to leave PC for a while assuming that installation will wait . With its count down and start by itself in its GUI mode . it started to install automatically . At the end , the install become useless because its default detections were not what parts were there ( I think it used previously detected parts without checking the present parts except monitor and perhaps some others , I do not know exactly .) . For such reasons , personally , I hate (1) auto-start installations . (2) auto-detect parts without asking correctness of detection when its conclusion is not verifiable by the installers ( for example (ADSL router modem is not detected correctly even its network card is detected and installation continued with assumption that there is no such a device . ) ( erroneously detection of monitor resolutions and using a default resolution which is not usable due to mismatch to display characteristics of the monitor ) ... ) With respect to experiences gained continuously installing operating systems , my idea about FreeBSD sysinstal is that it is an excellent installation system developed by very conscious persons which they know what to do very well . The points I suggested for improvements are toward to make it easy for the beginners . For a computing system , to satisfy needs of both beginners and expert users is not a very easy task . Making a part easy for a group may make it difficult for other group . Using defaults is not always correct due to hardware detection difficulties . My inclination is toward the beginners as much as possible because this approach will enlarge FreeBSD user group . In reality , design of a user interface is within subject areas of Ergonomy , Human-Computer Interaction , and User Interface Design which there are plenty amount of researches about those subjects , and many scientific journals and books . When I was in University a research assistant was working toward a PhD in Ergonomy by researching user interface software design principles to reduce the human errors during control of a system ( for example , effects of menu depths ) . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Modern FreeBSD Installer?
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: Let me state this: correct screen detection is already a problem with the big X, how should a small installer get this right with its limited resources? Mind this: The installer runs in a very limited setting, while X can rely on an already running system. Yesterday I was installing a CentOS 5.3 Linux distribution in GUI mode . It detected monitor maximum size correctly ( 1920 x 1440 ) , but set the monitor mode to 1600 x 1200 while display was in 1920 x 1440 without screen border sliders . Click area for Back and Next was the bottom right corner of the screen which they were not visible . I wondered what will be result of install . By changing zoom values of monitor ( Installer was assuming that screen settings are conforming to each other ) I could manage to squeeze 1920 x 1440 screen size into 1600 x 1200 screen size ( setting of factory defaults of monitor did not help ) . Arrangement of monitor settings took longer than installation itself . Ideas that GUI is NOT better than text based installs is VALID . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Automounting of USB drives - Why is it a problem?
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Manolis Kiagias sonic200...@gmail.comwrote: Odhiambo Washington wrote: (I have also written a complete set of steps for this - currently in Greek only, but I will translate it sooner or later) Such a write-up really will be very useful , because part in the FreeBSD Handbook contains errors . For example : mount -t msdosfs -o -m=644 -M=755 /dev/da0s1 /mnt/username Error -- Invalid switch M Also examples for pw contain invalid switches . The paages from man such as man pw are very difficult to use because they contain many switches and to understand use of those requires many trials due to combinatorial possible combinations and lack of ample examples . People accustomed to Windows device management finds Unix device management really very difficult such as me . To understand and use of USB sticks in FreeBSD required much time . Among FreeBSD , Linux , and Windows , hardest to use is FreeBSD with respect device usage by the user . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
