Re: e-mail server farm question
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 11:16:41PM -0500, Vulpes Velox wrote: Maildir makes it easy to distribute it across multiple machines as well. Cyrus Murder looks even better --- take a look at http://cyrusimap.web.cmu.edu/configuration.html There is, of course, a catch --- you can only access the mail store via IMAP/POP3/LMTP (you cannot touch the files directly, though it _is_ easy to extract the data in case you decide you do not want to see Cyrus any more), but that can be considered an advantage. (I have stardet reading this thread in the middle, if you have already considered cyrus, just ignore me) mf -- May God bless and keep the Tsar far away from us. pgpG2SQ1rKXLK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: e-mail server farm question
Vulpes Velox wrote: On Mon, 22 May 2006 11:54:02 -0500 Kevin Kinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:17 AM 5/22/2006, Evren Yurtesen wrote: Hello, I was wondering how does services like yahoo mail is storing e-mails. Somehow the smtp server should know where to deliver the mail inside the system and webmail should know from which server to read it from. Does anybody have any practical ideas about how it is done? Derek Ragona wrote: If you are using sendmail, as most FreeBSD users are, you can check the sendmail.org site for information on mail handling. There are a number of methods that depend on your setup. Well, it's pretty obvious that they aren't using a stock SendMail: # telnet mx2.mail.yahoo.com 25 Trying 67.28.113.72... Connected to mx2.mail.yahoo.com. Escape character is '^]'. 220 mta309.mail.re4.yahoo.com ESMTP YSmtp service ready Short of finding an article written by someone 'in the know', or an answer for someone like that, we can only guess. I'd probably start with guessing a big DB on a large SAN; which pretty much negates the which server to read from question (up to a point). Everything else is pretty academic. SMTP, IMAP, POP. Maildir makes it easy to distribute it across multiple machines as well. What do you mean exactly? distributing 1 user's mails into seperate machines? I didnt understand how Maildir helps to this actually. Thanks, Evren ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: e-mail server farm question
On May 23, 2006, at 1:35 AM, Evren Yurtesen wrote: Vulpes Velox wrote: On Mon, 22 May 2006 11:54:02 -0500 Kevin Kinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:17 AM 5/22/2006, Evren Yurtesen wrote: Hello, I was wondering how does services like yahoo mail is storing e-mails. Somehow the smtp server should know where to deliver the mail inside the system and webmail should know from which server to read it from. Does anybody have any practical ideas about how it is done? Derek Ragona wrote: If you are using sendmail, as most FreeBSD users are, you can check the sendmail.org site for information on mail handling. There are a number of methods that depend on your setup. Well, it's pretty obvious that they aren't using a stock SendMail: # telnet mx2.mail.yahoo.com 25 Trying 67.28.113.72... Connected to mx2.mail.yahoo.com. Escape character is '^]'. 220 mta309.mail.re4.yahoo.com ESMTP YSmtp service ready Short of finding an article written by someone 'in the know', or an answer for someone like that, we can only guess. I'd probably start with guessing a big DB on a large SAN; which pretty much negates the which server to read from question (up to a point). Everything else is pretty academic. SMTP, IMAP, POP. Maildir makes it easy to distribute it across multiple machines as well. What do you mean exactly? distributing 1 user's mails into seperate machines? I didnt understand how Maildir helps to this actually. I am not sure anyone was talking about distributing 1 person's mail across separate machines. The discussion seemed to be how to handle large amounts of mail spread out across machines, which maildir helps with as you can have one or more file servers and lots of consumers (imap/pop) and deliverers (mta) accessing those maildirs on your file servers. Combine with a backend database of some sort (we use an ldap db that includes the path for a specific accounts mail) and voilá. Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: e-mail server farm question
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On May 23, 2006, at 1:35 AM, Evren Yurtesen wrote: Vulpes Velox wrote: On Mon, 22 May 2006 11:54:02 -0500 Kevin Kinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:17 AM 5/22/2006, Evren Yurtesen wrote: Hello, I was wondering how does services like yahoo mail is storing e-mails. Somehow the smtp server should know where to deliver the mail inside the system and webmail should know from which server to read it from. Does anybody have any practical ideas about how it is done? Derek Ragona wrote: If you are using sendmail, as most FreeBSD users are, you can check the sendmail.org site for information on mail handling. There are a number of methods that depend on your setup. Well, it's pretty obvious that they aren't using a stock SendMail: # telnet mx2.mail.yahoo.com 25 Trying 67.28.113.72... Connected to mx2.mail.yahoo.com. Escape character is '^]'. 220 mta309.mail.re4.yahoo.com ESMTP YSmtp service ready Short of finding an article written by someone 'in the know', or an answer for someone like that, we can only guess. I'd probably start with guessing a big DB on a large SAN; which pretty much negates the which server to read from question (up to a point). Everything else is pretty academic. SMTP, IMAP, POP. Maildir makes it easy to distribute it across multiple machines as well. What do you mean exactly? distributing 1 user's mails into seperate machines? I didnt understand how Maildir helps to this actually. I am not sure anyone was talking about distributing 1 person's mail across separate machines. The discussion seemed to be how to handle large amounts of mail spread out across machines, which maildir helps with as you can have one or more file servers and lots of consumers (imap/pop) and deliverers (mta) accessing those maildirs on your file servers. Combine with a backend database of some sort (we use an ldap db that includes the path for a specific accounts mail) and voilá. Chad Ah sorry, I didnt think it that way for a moment. I thought you meant Maildir stores mails in seperate files compred to mbox format used by sendmail so...anyhow my mistake :) But it is possible to make changes to sendmail so that it will store to different folders also. I think the conclusion is a database, multiple smtp servers querying database to see where to forward received e-mails, multiple pop3/imap servers querying database to see from where to read the e-mails and multiple storage machines. This way it can scale to an unlimited size. So it requires a lot of coding :) Thanks, Evren ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: e-mail server farm question
Evren Yurtesen wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On May 23, 2006, at 1:35 AM, Evren Yurtesen wrote: Vulpes Velox wrote: On Mon, 22 May 2006 11:54:02 -0500 Kevin Kinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:17 AM 5/22/2006, Evren Yurtesen wrote: Hello, I was wondering how does services like yahoo mail is storing e-mails. Somehow the smtp server should know where to deliver the mail inside the system and webmail should know from which server to read it from. Does anybody have any practical ideas about how it is done? Derek Ragona wrote: If you are using sendmail, as most FreeBSD users are, you can check the sendmail.org site for information on mail handling. There are a number of methods that depend on your setup. Well, it's pretty obvious that they aren't using a stock SendMail: # telnet mx2.mail.yahoo.com 25 Trying 67.28.113.72... Connected to mx2.mail.yahoo.com. Escape character is '^]'. 220 mta309.mail.re4.yahoo.com ESMTP YSmtp service ready Short of finding an article written by someone 'in the know', or an answer for someone like that, we can only guess. I'd probably start with guessing a big DB on a large SAN; which pretty much negates the which server to read from question (up to a point). Everything else is pretty academic. SMTP, IMAP, POP. Maildir makes it easy to distribute it across multiple machines as well. What do you mean exactly? distributing 1 user's mails into seperate machines? I didnt understand how Maildir helps to this actually. I am not sure anyone was talking about distributing 1 person's mail across separate machines. The discussion seemed to be how to handle large amounts of mail spread out across machines, which maildir helps with as you can have one or more file servers and lots of consumers (imap/pop) and deliverers (mta) accessing those maildirs on your file servers. Combine with a backend database of some sort (we use an ldap db that includes the path for a specific accounts mail) and voilá. Chad Ah sorry, I didnt think it that way for a moment. I thought you meant Maildir stores mails in seperate files compred to mbox format used by sendmail so...anyhow my mistake :) But it is possible to make changes to sendmail so that it will store to different folders also. I think the conclusion is a database, multiple smtp servers querying database to see where to forward received e-mails, multiple pop3/imap servers querying database to see from where to read the e-mails and multiple storage machines. This way it can scale to an unlimited size. So it requires a lot of coding :) Not really, we have a large system which required little coding except for script tools. We have two FreeBSD servers as public gateways running Sendmail + Milter-Ahead + MailScanner. These 'gateways' scan mail for viruses and then forward the delivery on to three toasters which are FreeBSD servers running qmail + vpopmail + Spamd + SquirrelMail. The toasters each mount an NFS share from a Sun Enterprise to store the mail. Vpopmail answers the validation reqests from Milter-Ahead and gets all it's storage/authentication information such as Maildir delivery, forwarding, SpamAssassin settings, etc from a common MySQL DB. All very stock and the system can grow as large as the mail store server allows. When it is incapable, we will replace it with a larger machine. Just because I know you will ask, the mail store server is raid5, dual power supply, dual nic. The gateways, toasters, and mail store all communicate via a private network which is 1gb. It has proven very robust during the past two years. DAve -- This message was checked by forty monkeys and found to not contain any SPAM whatsoever. Your monkeys may vary ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: e-mail server farm question
Not really, we have a large system which required little coding except for script tools. We have two FreeBSD servers as public gateways running Sendmail + Milter-Ahead + MailScanner. These 'gateways' scan mail for viruses and then forward the delivery on to three toasters which are FreeBSD servers running qmail + vpopmail + Spamd + SquirrelMail. Why you have chosed sendmail on the gateways? What are the advangtages..i think it is not the speed? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: e-mail server farm question
Iantcho Vassilev wrote: Not really, we have a large system which required little coding except for script tools. We have two FreeBSD servers as public gateways running Sendmail + Milter-Ahead + MailScanner. These 'gateways' scan mail for viruses and then forward the delivery on to three toasters which are FreeBSD servers running qmail + vpopmail + Spamd + SquirrelMail. Why you have chosed sendmail on the gateways? What are the advangtages..i think it is not the speed? I've used Sendmail, Postfix, and qmail. Sendmail is the MTA the author of MailScanner has the most experience with, so I used it as well. In my situation, all mail is pushed back out via static routes in mailertable to toasters. Sendmail is doing nothing but filling an in-queue, and emptying an out-queue. Pretty simple stuff, everything is inbound, speed has not been an issue. DAve -- This message was checked by forty monkeys and found to not contain any SPAM whatsoever. Your monkeys may vary ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: e-mail server farm question
On Tue, 23 May 2006 10:35:51 +0300 Evren Yurtesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vulpes Velox wrote: On Mon, 22 May 2006 11:54:02 -0500 Kevin Kinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:17 AM 5/22/2006, Evren Yurtesen wrote: Hello, I was wondering how does services like yahoo mail is storing e-mails. Somehow the smtp server should know where to deliver the mail inside the system and webmail should know from which server to read it from. Does anybody have any practical ideas about how it is done? Derek Ragona wrote: If you are using sendmail, as most FreeBSD users are, you can check the sendmail.org site for information on mail handling. There are a number of methods that depend on your setup. Well, it's pretty obvious that they aren't using a stock SendMail: # telnet mx2.mail.yahoo.com 25 Trying 67.28.113.72... Connected to mx2.mail.yahoo.com. Escape character is '^]'. 220 mta309.mail.re4.yahoo.com ESMTP YSmtp service ready Short of finding an article written by someone 'in the know', or an answer for someone like that, we can only guess. I'd probably start with guessing a big DB on a large SAN; which pretty much negates the which server to read from question (up to a point). Everything else is pretty academic. SMTP, IMAP, POP. Maildir makes it easy to distribute it across multiple machines as well. What do you mean exactly? distributing 1 user's mails into seperate machines? I didnt understand how Maildir helps to this actually. Maildir is nfs safe and does not require locking. Thus multiple programs can safely use it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: e-mail server farm question
On Tue, 23 May 2006 11:26:36 +0300 Evren Yurtesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On May 23, 2006, at 1:35 AM, Evren Yurtesen wrote: Vulpes Velox wrote: On Mon, 22 May 2006 11:54:02 -0500 Kevin Kinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:17 AM 5/22/2006, Evren Yurtesen wrote: Hello, I was wondering how does services like yahoo mail is storing e-mails. Somehow the smtp server should know where to deliver the mail inside the system and webmail should know from which server to read it from. Does anybody have any practical ideas about how it is done? Derek Ragona wrote: If you are using sendmail, as most FreeBSD users are, you can check the sendmail.org site for information on mail handling. There are a number of methods that depend on your setup. Well, it's pretty obvious that they aren't using a stock SendMail: # telnet mx2.mail.yahoo.com 25 Trying 67.28.113.72... Connected to mx2.mail.yahoo.com. Escape character is '^]'. 220 mta309.mail.re4.yahoo.com ESMTP YSmtp service ready Short of finding an article written by someone 'in the know', or an answer for someone like that, we can only guess. I'd probably start with guessing a big DB on a large SAN; which pretty much negates the which server to read from question (up to a point). Everything else is pretty academic. SMTP, IMAP, POP. Maildir makes it easy to distribute it across multiple machines as well. What do you mean exactly? distributing 1 user's mails into seperate machines? I didnt understand how Maildir helps to this actually. I am not sure anyone was talking about distributing 1 person's mail across separate machines. The discussion seemed to be how to handle large amounts of mail spread out across machines, which maildir helps with as you can have one or more file servers and lots of consumers (imap/pop) and deliverers (mta) accessing those maildirs on your file servers. Combine with a backend database of some sort (we use an ldap db that includes the path for a specific accounts mail) and voilá. Chad Ah sorry, I didnt think it that way for a moment. I thought you meant Maildir stores mails in seperate files compred to mbox format used by sendmail so...anyhow my mistake :) But it is possible to make changes to sendmail so that it will store to different folders also. Maildir does store mail in serperate files. Each email is a file. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maildir I think the conclusion is a database, multiple smtp servers querying database to see where to forward received e-mails, multiple pop3/imap servers querying database to see from where to read the e-mails and multiple storage machines. This way it can scale to an unlimited size. So it requires a lot of coding :) Nah, once you get everything installed and configured it is easy. Dovecot and qmail are both easy to set up. Then just a bit of shell scripting for a user adding and removing script. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
e-mail server farm question
Hello, I was wondering how does services like yahoo mail is storing e-mails. Somehow the smtp server should know where to deliver the mail inside the system and webmail should know from which server to read it from. Does anybody have any practical ideas about how it is done? Thanks, Evren ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: e-mail server farm question
If you are using sendmail, as most FreeBSD users are, you can check the sendmail.org site for information on mail handling. There are a number of methods that depend on your setup. -Derek At 07:17 AM 5/22/2006, Evren Yurtesen wrote: Hello, I was wondering how does services like yahoo mail is storing e-mails. Somehow the smtp server should know where to deliver the mail inside the system and webmail should know from which server to read it from. Does anybody have any practical ideas about how it is done? Thanks, Evren ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: e-mail server farm question
At 07:17 AM 5/22/2006, Evren Yurtesen wrote: Hello, I was wondering how does services like yahoo mail is storing e-mails. Somehow the smtp server should know where to deliver the mail inside the system and webmail should know from which server to read it from. Does anybody have any practical ideas about how it is done? Derek Ragona wrote: If you are using sendmail, as most FreeBSD users are, you can check the sendmail.org site for information on mail handling. There are a number of methods that depend on your setup. Well, it's pretty obvious that they aren't using a stock SendMail: # telnet mx2.mail.yahoo.com 25 Trying 67.28.113.72... Connected to mx2.mail.yahoo.com. Escape character is '^]'. 220 mta309.mail.re4.yahoo.com ESMTP YSmtp service ready Short of finding an article written by someone 'in the know', or an answer for someone like that, we can only guess. I'd probably start with guessing a big DB on a large SAN; which pretty much negates the which server to read from question (up to a point). Everything else is pretty academic. SMTP, IMAP, POP. Kevin Kinsey -- You never realize how many friends you have until you rent a house at the beach. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: e-mail server farm question
On Mon, 22 May 2006 11:54:02 -0500 Kevin Kinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:17 AM 5/22/2006, Evren Yurtesen wrote: Hello, I was wondering how does services like yahoo mail is storing e-mails. Somehow the smtp server should know where to deliver the mail inside the system and webmail should know from which server to read it from. Does anybody have any practical ideas about how it is done? Derek Ragona wrote: If you are using sendmail, as most FreeBSD users are, you can check the sendmail.org site for information on mail handling. There are a number of methods that depend on your setup. Well, it's pretty obvious that they aren't using a stock SendMail: # telnet mx2.mail.yahoo.com 25 Trying 67.28.113.72... Connected to mx2.mail.yahoo.com. Escape character is '^]'. 220 mta309.mail.re4.yahoo.com ESMTP YSmtp service ready Short of finding an article written by someone 'in the know', or an answer for someone like that, we can only guess. I'd probably start with guessing a big DB on a large SAN; which pretty much negates the which server to read from question (up to a point). Everything else is pretty academic. SMTP, IMAP, POP. Maildir makes it easy to distribute it across multiple machines as well. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: E-mail server, minimalist approach
At 00:08 26.03.2006, Matthew Seaman wrote: On Sat, Mar 25, 2006 at 09:38:42PM +0100, Vaaf wrote: My minimalist approach to using MySQL for instance, is to stay away from phpMyAdmin and just create my databases like this: CREATE DATABASE IF NOT EXISTS database; GRANT USAGE ON database.* TO [EMAIL PROTECTED] IDENTIFIED BY 'password'; GRANT ALL ON database.* TO [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ummm... the minimalist approach would only require /two/ lines: CREATE DATABASE IF NOT EXISTS database ; GRANT ALL ON database.* TO [EMAIL PROTECTED] IDENTIFIED BY 'password' ; More pertinently, the really big advantage of doing stuff the command-line way is that you can arrange all this sort of thing as a series of scripts preserved under CVS or the like. Takes a little more effort the first time you do it, then saves you having to rediscover it all the next or any subsequent time. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW I feel so silly :) Thank you for pointing that out. Yes, I am searching the command-line way for having virtual e-mail users and virtual domains. I've set up and configured Postfix, Courier-IMAP and SASL. According to (a revised setup of) high5.net/howto, this is all I need: CREATE DATABASE IF NOT EXISTS mail; GRANT ALL ON mail.* TO [EMAIL PROTECTED] IDENTIFIED BY 'fooBehej'; USE mail; CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS alias ( address varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', goto text NOT NULL, domain varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', created datetime NOT NULL default '-00-00 00:00:00', modified datetime NOT NULL default '-00-00 00:00:00', active tinyint(1) NOT NULL default '1', PRIMARY KEY (address), KEY address (address) ) TYPE=MyISAM COMMENT='Postfix virtual aliases'; USE mail; CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS domain ( domain varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', description varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', aliases int(10) NOT NULL default '0', mailboxes int(10) NOT NULL default '0', maxquota int(10) NOT NULL default '0', transport varchar(255) default NULL, backupmx tinyint(1) NOT NULL default '0', created datetime NOT NULL default '-00-00 00:00:00', modified datetime NOT NULL default '-00-00 00:00:00', active tinyint(1) NOT NULL default '1', PRIMARY KEY (domain), KEY domain (domain) ) TYPE=MyISAM COMMENT='Postfix virtual domains'; USE mail; CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS mailbox ( username varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', password varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', name varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', maildir varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', quota int(10) NOT NULL default '0', domain varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', created datetime NOT NULL default '-00-00 00:00:00', modified datetime NOT NULL default '-00-00 00:00:00', active tinyint(1) NOT NULL default '1', PRIMARY KEY (username), KEY username (username) ) TYPE=MyISAM COMMENT='Postfix virtual mailboxes'; But then, unfortunately, Postfixadmin to properly govern these. Aren't there any alternatives? All the best, Vaaf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
E-mail server, minimalist approach
Hello! I am curious about the best practices of hosting other people's e-mails in FreeBSD, using Postfix and MySQL if necessary. I used to use Postfixadmin but lately I feel sick when using badly laid out web user interfaces like that. Maintaining stuff graphically not only makes me want to change and redesign everything I see---it also makes it difficult for me to store my configurations in my configuration repository. Is there a minimalist approach to this? Any recommendations? (the following is off topic) My minimalist approach to using MySQL for instance, is to stay away from phpMyAdmin and just create my databases like this: CREATE DATABASE IF NOT EXISTS database; GRANT USAGE ON database.* TO [EMAIL PROTECTED] IDENTIFIED BY 'password'; GRANT ALL ON database.* TO [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Those are 3 lines that go well into my mysql.txt file, further subjected to encryption, DVD burning and then burrial somewhere deep inside the Sahara desert. Thanks folks! -- Vaaf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: E-mail server, minimalist approach
On Sat, Mar 25, 2006 at 09:38:42PM +0100, Vaaf wrote: My minimalist approach to using MySQL for instance, is to stay away from phpMyAdmin and just create my databases like this: CREATE DATABASE IF NOT EXISTS database; GRANT USAGE ON database.* TO [EMAIL PROTECTED] IDENTIFIED BY 'password'; GRANT ALL ON database.* TO [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ummm... the minimalist approach would only require /two/ lines: CREATE DATABASE IF NOT EXISTS database ; GRANT ALL ON database.* TO [EMAIL PROTECTED] IDENTIFIED BY 'password' ; More pertinently, the really big advantage of doing stuff the command-line way is that you can arrange all this sort of thing as a series of scripts preserved under CVS or the like. Takes a little more effort the first time you do it, then saves you having to rediscover it all the next or any subsequent time. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New FreeBSD 5.3 e-mail server extremely slow - traced to getpwnam maybe ?
Quoting Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 09:27:27PM -0500, Bruce Campbell wrote:
I wrote a small program:
#include sys/types.h
#include pwd.h
main( int argc, char *argv[] )
{
getpwuid( 13076 );
}
and ran it under truss on 5.x and it generated 178,711 lines of output.
(the bulk of which is those lseek/read calls as above)
...
Try tuning the pwd_mkdb parameters (see hash(3)) in
/usr/src/usr.sbin/pwd_mkdb/pwd_mkdb.c and recompile:
HASHINFO openinfo = {
4096, /* bsize */
32, /* ffactor */
256,/* nelem */
2048 * 1024,/* cachesize */
NULL, /* hash() */
0 /* lorder */
};
e.g. adjust nelem to 12000 to accomodate your
significantly-larger-than-average password database. If this helps,
please submit a PR requesting that someone make an option to pwd_mkdb
to tune this at runtime (or better yet, submit the patch to do this
yourself - it's straightforward to modify the source to do this).
Thanks. That had no effect on the large number of seeks/reads
to do a getpwuid of a specific uid. I tried boosting that
number further, still no change. I suspect the problem is related
to some change to the hash functions between 4.7 and 5.2.1 and I
hope to get to the bottom of it today.
I tried two getpwnam (as opposed to getpwuid) calls on 2 different userids, one
took 1000 seek/reads, the other 16,000, so it's all
pretty random, no doubt related to how stuff gets hashed. On
4.7 it takes just one or two reads/seeks.
As each login via ipop, imap, and each sendmail, and just about everything
will be doing getpwnam's I think this is our problem.
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Re: New FreeBSD 5.3 e-mail server extremely slow - traced to getpwnam maybe ?
Quoting Bruce Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 09:27:27PM -0500, Bruce Campbell wrote:
I wrote a small program:
#include sys/types.h
#include pwd.h
main( int argc, char *argv[] )
{
getpwuid( 13076 );
}
and ran it under truss on 5.x and it generated 178,711 lines of output.
(the bulk of which is those lseek/read calls as above)
It looks like the overhaul of getpwent Apr/2003 to make it thread safe:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/lib/libc/gen/getpwent.c
may be the problem.
I've tested the dbm_fetch function independently on a large
file, and it is fine.
I've opened a bug report, and plan to build a replacement 4.x
mail server, as the most deterministic path to restoring
adequate e-mail service to our users.
Can anyone suggest a workaround ?
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Engineering Computing
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Re: New FreeBSD 5.3 e-mail server extremely slow - traced to getpwnam maybe ?
Quoting Bruce Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Quoting Bruce Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 09:27:27PM -0500, Bruce Campbell wrote:
I wrote a small program:
#include sys/types.h
#include pwd.h
main( int argc, char *argv[] )
{
getpwuid( 13076 );
}
and ran it under truss on 5.x and it generated 178,711 lines of output.
(the bulk of which is those lseek/read calls as above)
It looks like the overhaul of getpwent Apr/2003 to make it thread safe:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/lib/libc/gen/getpwent.c
may be the problem.
I've tested the dbm_fetch function independently on a large
file, and it is fine.
I've opened a bug report, and plan to build a replacement 4.x
mail server, as the most deterministic path to restoring
adequate e-mail service to our users.
Can anyone suggest a workaround ?
Well, somewhat unbelievably, copying a getpwent.c from 4.7
and remaking libc on 5.3 with it worked. Load average
has gone from 70 to 2.
And, so that this qualifies as a question...
Am I crazy to pull an old getpwnam from 4.7 and blindly
build it on 5.3 ?
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Re: New FreeBSD 5.3 e-mail server extremely slow - traced to getpwnam maybe ?
Quoting Bruce Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ... Well, somewhat unbelievably, copying a getpwent.c from 4.7 and remaking libc on 5.3 with it worked. Load average has gone from 70 to 2. One of my co-workers has found a less kludgey workaround for the high load problem we were seeing on 5.3 with large /etc/master.passwd, as follows: --- /etc/nsswitch.conf.old Wed Jan 5 19:23:24 2005 +++ /etc/nsswitch.conf Wed Jan 5 19:23:43 2005 @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ -group: compat +group: files group_compat: nis hosts: files dns networks: files -passwd: compat +passwd: files passwd_compat: nis shells: files System is purring with load average under 1 now, 200,000 pop/imap sessions per day and 200,000 e-mails per day, all spamassassinated. For more details and ongoing followup, see: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=75855 -- Bruce Campbell Engineering Computing CPH-2374B University of Waterloo (519)888-4567 ext 5889 This mail sent through www.mywaterloo.ca ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New FreeBSD 5.3 e-mail server extremely slow...
We upgraded from a dual 1.66GHz AMD running FreeBSD 4.7
and a dual 3GHz Xeon running FreeBSD 5.3 and the new server
is painfully slow, even after turning spamassassin
and yavr (yet another virus recipe) off. Load
appears to be imapd/ipop3d (uw-imapd) related.
New server is Adaptec SCSI RAID, old one was 3ware ATA RAID,
but disk load is relatively low anyway.
It is a fairly high volume server, maybe 150,000 messages
per day and 150,000 pop/imap sessions per day. But the old
box was doing relatively fine.
Turning off hyperthreading helped alot, but not enough.
load average is around 48 now, I've set the 2 sendmail
conf load av settings to 48 so at least e-mail gets in.
A quick truss of an ipop3d process shows piles
of this streaming by...
setitimer(0,{0 0, 0 0},{0 0, 599 92})= 0 (0x0)
write(1,0x805a000,21)= 21 (0x15)
gettimeofday({1104857422 906783},0x0)= 0 (0x0)
setitimer(0,{0 0, 600 0},{0 0, 0 0}) = 0 (0x0)
read(0x0,0x8063000,0x832c) = 10 (0xa)
setitimer(0,{0 0, 0 0},{0 0, 600 0}) = 0 (0x0)
write(1,0x805a000,14)= 14 (0xe)
gettimeofday({1104857422 908916},0x0)= 0 (0x0)
setitimer(0,{0 0, 600 0},{0 0, 0 0}) = 0 (0x0)
top shows 80-90% system activity.
About to revert to our old box and maybe nfs mount
/var/mail to make it less painless. Any suggestions ?
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Re: New FreeBSD 5.3 e-mail server extremely slow...
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 12:38:48PM -0500, Bruce Campbell wrote: We upgraded from a dual 1.66GHz AMD running FreeBSD 4.7 and a dual 3GHz Xeon running FreeBSD 5.3 and the new server is painfully slow, even after turning spamassassin and yavr (yet another virus recipe) off. Load appears to be imapd/ipop3d (uw-imapd) related. Same version as you were running before? Same configuration files? Can you show us your kernel configuration and dmesg? Kris pgpUpAMPoKDD3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New FreeBSD 5.3 e-mail server extremely slow...
Quoting Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 12:38:48PM -0500, Bruce Campbell wrote: We upgraded from a dual 1.66GHz AMD running FreeBSD 4.7 and a dual 3GHz Xeon running FreeBSD 5.3 and the new server is painfully slow, even after turning spamassassin and yavr (yet another virus recipe) off. Load appears to be imapd/ipop3d (uw-imapd) related. Same version as you were running before? Same configuration files? Well, no, not quite. old: imap-uw-2002_1,1 new: imap-uw-2004a,1 Just about all packages have undergone some updates on our new server. The only processes for which we have hundreds running would be sendmail, procmail, ipop3d and imapd. But, when I had the sendmail conf'ed to shutdown mail when load av went over 12, load av would still shoot up to 40 or 50 and stay there, and only major processes were imapd, ipop3d. And I noticed them calling setitimer alot, and 80% system usage. I'm about to pull the zero channel adaptec scsi raid card, for no other reason than I'm out of bright ideas. Can you show us your kernel configuration and dmesg? Kris old: (difference from 4.7 GENERIC) - cpu I386_CPU - cpu I486_CPU + optionsQUOTA #enable disk quotas + options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel + options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O new: (difference from 5.3 GENERIC) Reverted to non SMP for now, only difference from GENERIC is... options QUOTA I did have options SMP going for a while. Removing SMP has made no difference in load or responsiveness. Actually seems slightly better on one CPU. dmesg.boot from new system is as follows: Copyright (c) 1992-2004 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE #0: Thu Nov 25 15:48:15 EST 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/MAIL_SERVER Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.06GHz (3065.80-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = GenuineIntel Id = 0xf27 Stepping = 7 Features=0xbfebfbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMO V,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE Hyperthreading: 2 logical CPUs real memory = 2146959360 (2047 MB) avail memory = 2095419392 (1998 MB) ACPI APIC Table: PTLTD APIC ioapic0 Version 2.0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard ioapic1 Version 2.0 irqs 24-47 on motherboard ioapic2 Version 2.0 irqs 48-71 on motherboard npx0: [FAST] npx0: math processor on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface acpi0: PTLTD RSDT on motherboard acpi0: Power Button (fixed) Timecounter ACPI-fast frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: 24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz port 0x1008-0x100b on acpi0 cpu0: ACPI CPU (2 Cx states) on acpi0 pcib0: ACPI Host-PCI bridge port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: ACPI PCI bus on pcib0 pci0: unknown at device 0.1 (no driver attached) pcib1: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge at device 2.0 on pci0 pcib1: could not get PCI interrupt routing table for \\_SB_.PCI0.HLB_ - AE_NOT_FOU ND pci1: ACPI PCI bus on pcib1 pci1: base peripheral, interrupt controller at device 28.0 (no driver attached) pcib2: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge at device 29.0 on pci1 pci2: ACPI PCI bus on pcib2 em0: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection, Version - 1.7.35 port 0x3000-0x303f m em 0xf820-0xf821 irq 54 at device 3.0 on pci2 em0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:29:c5:a8 em0: Speed:N/A Duplex:N/A em1: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection, Version - 1.7.35 port 0x3040-0x307f m em 0xf822-0xf823 irq 55 at device 3.1 on pci2 em1: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:29:c5:a9 em1: Speed:N/A Duplex:N/A pci1: base peripheral, interrupt controller at device 30.0 (no driver attached) pcib3: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge at device 31.0 on pci1 pci3: ACPI PCI bus on pcib3 asr0: Adaptec Caching SCSI RAID mem 0xfc00-0xfdff,0xfb00-0xfbff, 0xf830-0xf83f irq 30 at device 3.0 on pci3 asr0: [GIANT-LOCKED] asr0: ADAPTEC 2015S FW Rev. 3B05, 2 channel, 256 CCBs, Protocol I2O uhci0: Intel 82801CA/CAM (ICH3) USB controller USB-A port 0x2000-0x201f irq 16 a t device 29.0 on pci0 uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb0: Intel 82801CA/CAM (ICH3) USB controller USB-A on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci1: Intel 82801CA/CAM (ICH3) USB controller USB-B port 0x2020-0x203f irq 19 a t device 29.1 on pci0 uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb1: Intel 82801CA/CAM (ICH3) USB controller USB-B on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci2: Intel 82801CA/CAM (ICH3) USB controller USB-C port 0x2040-0x205f irq 18 a t device 29.2 on pci0 uhci2: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb2: Intel 82801CA/CAM (ICH3) USB controller USB-C on uhci2 usb2: USB
Re: New FreeBSD 5.3 e-mail server extremely slow...
On Jan 4, 2005, at 4:45 PM, Bruce Campbell wrote: The only processes for which we have hundreds running would be sendmail, procmail, ipop3d and imapd. I love procmail and would hate to live w/o it, but that would be my first suspect out of that list. TjL who once got a phone call from his ISP because of his .procmailrc (oops!) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New FreeBSD 5.3 e-mail server extremely slow...
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 04:45:16PM -0500, Bruce Campbell wrote: Quoting Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 12:38:48PM -0500, Bruce Campbell wrote: We upgraded from a dual 1.66GHz AMD running FreeBSD 4.7 and a dual 3GHz Xeon running FreeBSD 5.3 and the new server is painfully slow, even after turning spamassassin and yavr (yet another virus recipe) off. Load appears to be imapd/ipop3d (uw-imapd) related. Same version as you were running before? Same configuration files? Well, no, not quite. old: imap-uw-2002_1,1 new: imap-uw-2004a,1 OK, that's where you should start, then. Go back to the software configuration that you know is working and see if it still misbehaves. Kris pgp4Ak9FEHcLW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New FreeBSD 5.3 e-mail server extremely slow...
On Jan 4 at 16:58, Timothy Luoma launched this into the bitstream: On Jan 4, 2005, at 4:45 PM, Bruce Campbell wrote: The only processes for which we have hundreds running would be sendmail, procmail, ipop3d and imapd. I love procmail and would hate to live w/o it, but that would be my first suspect out of that list. TjL who once got a phone call from his ISP because of his .procmailrc (oops!) You too eh? :-) -Colin (who just *knows* it was _that_ special recipe on the procmail list that did us both in on the same day!!) Sorta like a digital Montezuma's revenge [shudder] sorry, couldn't resist. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New FreeBSD 5.3 e-mail server extremely slow - traced to getpwnam maybe ?
Quoting Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Well, no, not quite.
old: imap-uw-2002_1,1
new: imap-uw-2004a,1
OK, that's where you should start, then. Go back to the software
configuration that you know is working and see if it still misbehaves.
Kris
Thanks. I shutdown imapd/ipop3d completely so I just had sendmail running, and
still
load av. was 20-30.
Anyways, I have just found something very odd with both 5.2.1 and 5.3
on multiple different systems here, including a brand new GENERIC install.
On 5.x, ls -l or ps waux is very slow with our
/etc/master.passwd which has 11320 entries. I truss'ed
those commands, and gave up after watching :
lseek(4,0x17d000,SEEK_SET) = 1560576 (0x17d000)
read(0x4,0x8074000,0x1000) = 4096 (0x1000)
lseek(4,0x17e000,SEEK_SET) = 1564672 (0x17e000)
read(0x4,0x8062000,0x1000) = 4096 (0x1000)
lseek(4,0x17f000,SEEK_SET) = 1568768 (0x17f000)
read(0x4,0x8066000,0x1000) = 4096 (0x1000)
lseek(4,0x18,SEEK_SET) = 1572864 (0x18)
scroll by for 10 minutes. (handle 4 = /etc/spwd.db)
I wrote a small program:
#include sys/types.h
#include pwd.h
main( int argc, char *argv[] )
{
getpwuid( 13076 );
}
and ran it under truss on 5.x and it generated 178,711 lines of output.
(the bulk of which is those lseek/read calls as above)
4.7 (with same master.passwd file) gave 59 lines of output, which seems
normal.
I'm speculating that imap and sendmail and just about everything use
getpwuid and getpwuid is misbehaving on 5.x especially with a large
master.passwd file.
I will report this through the proper mechanism once I do
just a bit more testing. And perhaps it is a known issue
already and I'll look into that also. Or perhaps I have messed
something up unwittingly, which I have been known to do.
We do have an extremely busy 5.2.1 system running here fine on
the same hardware, just it has a small /etc/master.passwd which may explain that
systems success to date.
Thank you to everyone who sent suggestions.
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Re: New FreeBSD 5.3 e-mail server extremely slow - traced to getpwnam maybe ?
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 09:27:27PM -0500, Bruce Campbell wrote:
I wrote a small program:
#include sys/types.h
#include pwd.h
main( int argc, char *argv[] )
{
getpwuid( 13076 );
}
and ran it under truss on 5.x and it generated 178,711 lines of output.
(the bulk of which is those lseek/read calls as above)
4.7 (with same master.passwd file) gave 59 lines of output, which seems
normal.
I'm speculating that imap and sendmail and just about everything use
getpwuid and getpwuid is misbehaving on 5.x especially with a large
master.passwd file.
Try tuning the pwd_mkdb parameters (see hash(3)) in
/usr/src/usr.sbin/pwd_mkdb/pwd_mkdb.c and recompile:
HASHINFO openinfo = {
4096, /* bsize */
32, /* ffactor */
256,/* nelem */
2048 * 1024,/* cachesize */
NULL, /* hash() */
0 /* lorder */
};
e.g. adjust nelem to 12000 to accomodate your
significantly-larger-than-average password database. If this helps,
please submit a PR requesting that someone make an option to pwd_mkdb
to tune this at runtime (or better yet, submit the patch to do this
yourself - it's straightforward to modify the source to do this).
Kris
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Re: E-mail server
On Saturday 23 November 2002 10:30 pm, Damien Hull wrote: I've decided to use squirrelmail as my web based mail client. Because I get a lot of mail I need a way of sorting my mail through squirrelmail. For this the squirrelmail people have provided a procmail interface. The problem with the procmail interface is that it uses ftp to change the users procmail settings. Is there another way of sorting mail through squirrelmail or any other web based mail client? I don't want to run ftp on my server. I'm not sure exactly what your setup is, but, all you are doing is changing each user's .procmailrc file. I assume that hacking squirrelmail to use a more secure protocol like scp is not easily done, so perhaps you would be better off writing an HTML form that inputs the rules each user wants to implement and then write some PHP code to formulate the rules in .procmailrc format and scp to transfer them to the user's .promailrc file. If you use private/public key encryption with private and public keys, you can make this seamless (not ask for a password for each transfer, etc). Well.it's one way of doing it...you may get better answers. -Jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
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I need some help setting up an E-mail server. I've done this before but not something this big. Heres what will need. 1. The server will have about 4000 users and will need room to grow. 2. Each user should have a limet on the amount of E-mail they can store on the server. I don't know how much space each user will get but lets use 5mb for now. 3. This will be a pop3 server. 4. The hardware we were planing on using runs at 400mhz and has a 10gig drive. I'd like to up that to a 20gig drive. RAM will be 128 or more. 5. We need to transfer user accounts from the failing Windows E-mail server over to the rocking FreeBSD box. That's it! I can setup just about all of it but steps 2 and 5 I know nothing about. Also, if any of you think this box will not work in any way or you have a few tips on making it better pleas let me know. The last thing I want is for 4000 people to call up asking where their E-mail went. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: E-mail server
I was planing on using qmail and qpopper. I'm a postfix user so I've got some reading to do. Don't know if we will install sqwebmail but we could. Vpopmail is new to me. I checked out their website and it looks good but I don't know if will need it. I'm helping someone else build this E-mail server and I don't know if there will be other domains the box will be collecting mail for. Thanks for the info! On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 23:18, Unix Tools wrote: Hi, use qmail quite robust 1) qmail 2) vpopmail 3) sqwebmail QUITE A GOOD COMBINATION. - Original Message - From: Damien Hull [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 01:26 AM Subject: E-mail server I need some help setting up an E-mail server. I've done this before but not something this big. Heres what will need. 1. The server will have about 4000 users and will need room to grow. 2. Each user should have a limet on the amount of E-mail they can store on the server. I don't know how much space each user will get but lets use 5mb for now. 3. This will be a pop3 server. 4. The hardware we were planing on using runs at 400mhz and has a 10gig drive. I'd like to up that to a 20gig drive. RAM will be 128 or more. 5. We need to transfer user accounts from the failing Windows E-mail server over to the rocking FreeBSD box. That's it! I can setup just about all of it but steps 2 and 5 I know nothing about. Also, if any of you think this box will not work in any way or you have a few tips on making it better pleas let me know. The last thing I want is for 4000 people to call up asking where their E-mail went. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
