FW: failure notice

2008-02-12 Thread Da Rock

Anybody know why this would be happening to me? Every time I post I get this 
back, yet my post shows up on the list.


 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:01:14 +0800
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: failure notice
 
 Hi. This is the deliver program at eyou.com.
 I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
 This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 550 MI:SPF mx14,QMCowLDrtR1GUrFHEWiXHA==.52443S2 1202803270 
 http://mail.163.com/help/help_spam_16.htm?ip=1032339018hostid=mx14time=1202803270
 --- Attachment is a copy of the message.
 
 --Forwarded Message Attachment--
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:00:08 +
 Subject: RE: what happened to linuxflashplugin?
 
 
 
 
 
 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:39:41 +0100
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Subject: Re: what happened to linuxflashplugin?


 just send them an e-mail telling them that you are so sorry about the 
 quality
 of their website that you have to buy somewhere else.

 Do not send this to the webmaster, send it to the sales department.

 Those people fight for the clients and give a shit on technology.

 exactly. they simply don't know the problem exist.

 i think it could be done more politely by asking them of sending their
 product data as text based e-mail (+possible images), because their
 webpage is unusable.

 they will have to respond, and more people doing this will give them a lot
 of work :) and will motivate them to think
 
 
 
 This of course doesn't help them if their web designer can't fix the design 
 issue, which is why it would be an issue in the first place. Or the designer 
 will say its ok- show statistics which are becoming rapidly outdated and say 
 its only a minority.
 
 Reality can be very sad.
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Re: FW: failure notice

2008-02-12 Thread Heiko Wundram (Beenic)
Am Dienstag, 12. Februar 2008 09:03:10 schrieb Da Rock:
 Anybody know why this would be happening to me? Every time I post I get
 this back, yet my post shows up on the list.

You're sending from a hotmail.com address, without using a hotmail.com server 
as outgoing mail relay.

Someone who's reading this list (and thus gets your messages delivered, even 
though you're not explicitly sending it to them) is boucing your messages 
because of the SPF record for hotmail.com in place, which lists the outgoing 
mail servers that messages from the hotmail.com-domain is allowed to come 
from (and the one you use isn't among them).

Read up on SPF (Sender Policy Framework) to know what's going on behind the 
scenes.

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Product  Application Development
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Re: FW: failure notice

2008-02-12 Thread Jonathan Chen
On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 09:40:55AM +0100, Heiko Wundram (Beenic) wrote:
 Am Dienstag, 12. Februar 2008 09:03:10 schrieb Da Rock:
  Anybody know why this would be happening to me? Every time I post I get
  this back, yet my post shows up on the list.
 
 You're sending from a hotmail.com address, without using a hotmail.com server 
 as outgoing mail relay.
 
 Someone who's reading this list (and thus gets your messages delivered, even 
 though you're not explicitly sending it to them) is boucing your messages 
 because of the SPF record for hotmail.com in place, which lists the outgoing 
 mail servers that messages from the hotmail.com-domain is allowed to come 
 from (and the one you use isn't among them).

I personally think it's a misconfigured server. I get bounces with/without
correct SPF as well.
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Re: FW: failure notice

2008-02-12 Thread Heiko Wundram (Beenic)
Am Dienstag, 12. Februar 2008 09:40:55 schrieb Heiko Wundram (Beenic):
 Am Dienstag, 12. Februar 2008 09:03:10 schrieb Da Rock:
  Anybody know why this would be happening to me? Every time I post I get
  this back, yet my post shows up on the list.

 You're sending from a hotmail.com address, without using a hotmail.com
 server as outgoing mail relay.

Ugh, I should have checked your mail headers before posting this. You are 
sending from a hotmail.com server. So, either hotmail has their SPF-records 
misconfigured (which I would guess isn't the case, because lots of people 
would complain in this case), or the final recipients SPF setup on their 
mailserver (mail.163.com) is broken (which I guess is most probably the case 
here).

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Re: FW: failure notice

2008-02-12 Thread Michael Ross
Am 12.02.2008, 09:40 Uhr, schrieb Heiko Wundram (Beenic)  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:



Am Dienstag, 12. Februar 2008 09:03:10 schrieb Da Rock:

Anybody know why this would be happening to me? Every time I post I get
this back, yet my post shows up on the list.


You're sending from a hotmail.com address, without using a hotmail.com  
server

as outgoing mail relay.



I am getting this messages, too, for the address of [EMAIL PROTECTED],  
as OP.

And I _am_ using the gmx.net smtp as outgoing relay (just double-checked).

My bet is 163.com screwed their setup.



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Re: FW: failure notice

2008-02-12 Thread Erwan David
Le Tue 12/02/2008, Heiko Wundram (Beenic) disait
 Am Dienstag, 12. Februar 2008 09:03:10 schrieb Da Rock:
  Anybody know why this would be happening to me? Every time I post I get
  this back, yet my post shows up on the list.
 
 You're sending from a hotmail.com address, without using a hotmail.com server 
 as outgoing mail relay.
 
 Someone who's reading this list (and thus gets your messages delivered, even 
 though you're not explicitly sending it to them) is boucing your messages 
 because of the SPF record for hotmail.com in place, which lists the outgoing 
 mail servers that messages from the hotmail.com-domain is allowed to come 
 from (and the one you use isn't among them).
 
 Read up on SPF (Sender Policy Framework) to know what's going on behind the 
 scenes.

And the person bouncing the mails should check its settings : SPF must
NOT be applied to header sender address but o enveloppe sender
address. This person is breaking all mailing lists.

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