Re: How does one record audio?

2003-10-27 Thread RexFelis
Here are the rsults of my sleuthing efforts thus
far:

I have found that my PCM device shows up in dmesg
as:
 
pcm0:  port 0xd400-0xd43f irq
11 at device 11.0 on pci0
pcm0: 

Crystal 4237, 4236, 4232, 4231 is what is listed
as suppoted in the handbook.

The first one, AudioPCI ES1373-8, I don't know
why it's there because that was the external
sound card I tried, but it looks like it is not
supported.  The second one is the onboard.  I
made sure to turn off the use of oonboard audio
in the BIOS while I tested the card, and I turned
it back on and physically removed the card from
the computer to return control to the onboard
audio chip.

primus# mixer recsrc
Recording source: mic

This indicates a hardware problem?  I don't
understand.

As best I can see, the indication is that my
particular hardware is not fully supported,
unless Cirrus Logic CS4297A AC97 Codec isn't the
sound chip, or it isn't a Crystal chip...

I have tested it under Windows and it works with
Audacity there, but Windows is giving me fits
with refusing to log out, program lockups, etc.

I have also tried replacing the headset and boom
mic I am using, and the results are identical. 
KMIX shows that the mic is recording, and is not
muted.  The on-headset mute is disabled as well.

Is my "not fully supported hardware" conclusion
reasonable?

Thanks to everyone who's been providing
suggestions and pointers!

Shannon



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Re: How does one record audio?

2003-10-26 Thread andi payn
On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 08:02, RexFelis wrote:
> I am using FreeBSD 5.1-p10, and recently I have
> need to record spoken sounds.

As DavidB said, the fact that it no longer works in linux implies that
you might have a hardware problem--with the sound card, or even with the
mic.  (Is this the same mic you used in linux? Otherwise, it may just be
something simple, like impedance or preamping.)

However, there's one more easy possibility to check: Make sure the mic
isn't muted. From aumix, or your favorite oss mixer app (I think this is
what kmix is, if I remember correctly), and check/play with the level
and mute settings for mic, record, line in, or anything else that looks
like an input. In addition to the level and mute settings, you may also
see a "record source" setting--with most setups, you can select exactly
one recording source, so try selecting each of them in turn; with
others, each one can be turned on and off separately. You may also have
a "master record" level and mute setting to play with.

While you're at it, see if you can record from the CD (through the
soundcard, assuming you have an audio connection--generally a little
2-pin cable--between the two; digital CD audio extraction won't tell you
anything useful).

You may also want to look at the sysctl settings to see if anything
looks fishy. Try "sysctl -a |grep snd" to look at what knobs you have
and what they're set to. I've noticed that when I have
hw.snd.pcm0.vchans set to anything >1, this sometimes interferes with
audio input (but then I'm not sure my ancient fm801 is full-duplex).

If fiddling with the mixer and sysctl produces no effect, you're
probably best testing either in Windows, as DavidB said, or with a clean
copy of linux (maybe even use a different distro).

By the way, if you're not sure which sound card you have, use lspci
(/usr/ports/sysutils/pciutils--or run the binary from your linux distro,
or reboot to linux) and it should tell you something like this:

  00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: Falcotronic, Inc Komissar 2000
[CHA] (rev b23)

This implies (though it doesn't guarantee) that the driver you need is
snd_cha--and it provides enough information that some helpful soul can
tell you exactly which driver you need. However, most likely this won't
help; if the sound output is working, the correct driver is probably
already being loaded as a module (scan kldstat's output for snd_*.ko).


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Re: How does one record audio?

2003-10-26 Thread DavidB
If it use to work under Linux but no longer, are
sure you hardware is ok. Have you ever been able
to play any audio files?  Also, you have to use
mixer to adjust the input level and the recording
source. See man mixer.
Sounds like a hardware or configuration issue.

Also there is a Windows version of the Audacity
which I have used under Win2k it works nicely.
Oh, I guess that begs the question does the same
hardware setup work under windows?? If it does,
then expect it to be a configuration issue with
your sound setup [I have no idea if your sound chip
is support under Freebsd and I haven't used 5.1,
So someone else will have to answer that].
Have you searched the freebsd mail archive of questions,
stable, and current.
also does the device show up in your boot messages?

Sorry but in a rush,

David

RexFelis wrote:
I am using FreeBSD 5.1-p10, and recently I have
need to record spoken sounds.  I have installed
Audacity from ports, as well as KRec, but neither
of these works.  Audacity shows nothing but
silence for the waveforms.  The KMix applet menu
in my taskbar shows the microphone as having no
volume, presumably because there's something not
properly connecting somewhere software-wise.  The
microphone is plugged in.
My motherboard is an Albatron KX400+ Pro, and I
am using its on-board audio, which is a 6-channel
capable Realtek ALC650 chip.  This chip responds
beautifully to the 'device pcm' line being added
to the kernel config file.  It does nothing for
the recording capabilities.  A perusal of the
handbook revealed almost no mention at all about
recording audio, and certainly no mention I could
find about actually doing it.  It did mention
adding 'device csa' for crystal sound cards, and
I thought the chip was a crystal chip, but doing
this has not had any effect.
A google search turns up nothing but a few other
people asking the same question I have:  How do
you manage this?  bsdforums.org has some stuff
about this, but it's only talk that suggests that
others have working audio recording in place;
there is no mention of how to do this.
I have even tried plugging the microphone into
the other possible jack.
I need to record a CD for someone, of me
speaking.  I really don't want to do this under
Windows, and while Audacity under Linux worked
for a short time, it now only produces static. 
Something is obviously broken there.

Does anyone have any ideas how I can get this
working?  Have I left any information out that
might have been useful?  I appreciate your help
on this matter.
Shannon

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Re: How does one record audio?

2003-10-26 Thread Jim Durham
On Sunday 26 October 2003 11:02 am, RexFelis wrote:
> I am using FreeBSD 5.1-p10, and recently I have
> need to record spoken sounds.  I have installed
> Audacity from ports, as well as KRec, but neither
> of these works.  Audacity shows nothing but
> silence for the waveforms.  The KMix applet menu
> in my taskbar shows the microphone as having no
> volume, presumably because there's something not
> properly connecting somewhere software-wise.  The
> microphone is plugged in.
>
> My motherboard is an Albatron KX400+ Pro, and I
> am using its on-board audio, which is a 6-channel
> capable Realtek ALC650 chip.  This chip responds
> beautifully to the 'device pcm' line being added
> to the kernel config file.  It does nothing for
> the recording capabilities.  A perusal of the
> handbook revealed almost no mention at all about
> recording audio, and certainly no mention I could
> find about actually doing it.  It did mention
> adding 'device csa' for crystal sound cards, and
> I thought the chip was a crystal chip, but doing
> this has not had any effect.
>
> A google search turns up nothing but a few other
> people asking the same question I have:  How do
> you manage this?  bsdforums.org has some stuff
> about this, but it's only talk that suggests that
> others have working audio recording in place;
> there is no mention of how to do this.
>
> I have even tried plugging the microphone into
> the other possible jack.
>
> I need to record a CD for someone, of me
> speaking.  I really don't want to do this under
> Windows, and while Audacity under Linux worked
> for a short time, it now only produces static.
> Something is obviously broken there.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas how I can get this
> working?  Have I left any information out that
> might have been useful?  I appreciate your help
> on this matter.

I record using Audacity all the time with FreeBSD 5.1.

I am using a Dell laptop with the Maestro 3 chipset, but I also use a 
desktop with the AC97 onboard audio.

I have found that the labels in kmix, at least, and probably other GUI 
mixer apps, are not to be trusted. In my case, the mic gain is 
actually the "rec mon" fader. I have to click the microphone LED to 
turn it on, but the gain is controlled by the RecMon fader. Neither 
of my machines has a line input. Also, the "microphone" fader 
controls the record monitor. 

I have my mixer set as follows:
Volume  1/2 way. PCM all the way up. Speaker off, Line Off, Microphone 
Off, but LED lit (selected), CD 3/4 up, RecMon 1/2up, OGAIN 1/2 up, 
Line 1 3/4up, phoneln off, phoneout off, video off.

Can you hear input audio at the output connector in a headset?

-JIm

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How does one record audio?

2003-10-26 Thread RexFelis
I am using FreeBSD 5.1-p10, and recently I have
need to record spoken sounds.  I have installed
Audacity from ports, as well as KRec, but neither
of these works.  Audacity shows nothing but
silence for the waveforms.  The KMix applet menu
in my taskbar shows the microphone as having no
volume, presumably because there's something not
properly connecting somewhere software-wise.  The
microphone is plugged in.

My motherboard is an Albatron KX400+ Pro, and I
am using its on-board audio, which is a 6-channel
capable Realtek ALC650 chip.  This chip responds
beautifully to the 'device pcm' line being added
to the kernel config file.  It does nothing for
the recording capabilities.  A perusal of the
handbook revealed almost no mention at all about
recording audio, and certainly no mention I could
find about actually doing it.  It did mention
adding 'device csa' for crystal sound cards, and
I thought the chip was a crystal chip, but doing
this has not had any effect.

A google search turns up nothing but a few other
people asking the same question I have:  How do
you manage this?  bsdforums.org has some stuff
about this, but it's only talk that suggests that
others have working audio recording in place;
there is no mention of how to do this.

I have even tried plugging the microphone into
the other possible jack.

I need to record a CD for someone, of me
speaking.  I really don't want to do this under
Windows, and while Audacity under Linux worked
for a short time, it now only produces static. 
Something is obviously broken there.

Does anyone have any ideas how I can get this
working?  Have I left any information out that
might have been useful?  I appreciate your help
on this matter.

Shannon

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