Re: Naming confusion
I know, and I agree. Right now, I am thinking that the next time that I have to upgrade hardware, it will have to be a MAC. Lloyd Hayes Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://TalkingStaff.bravehost.com E-FAX Number: (208) 248-6590 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: Hi. This is sent OFF LIST If you ever get tired of the time you spend trying to get things working with the stuff you are doing now, and futzing around and stuff, just bite the bullet and buy an iBook. You can run all the same stuff (including X) as on FreeBSD and Linux, plus it just works. When you pull your truck into a Flying J or whereever and hook up to the WIFI, it will just work. All my laptops and desktops are Mac OS X. My servers are all FreeBSD (I run a web and email hosting company -- actually 1 Linux server for some special java processing). I ran a Linux desktop for a while but it was just too much hassle and time spent trying to get simple things to work. iBooks start around $1k and are a good value and they just work. They are unix based, but have mainstream app support, a GUI that just works, and for the techno nerds :-) you also can run X, and all your favorite open source apps. good luck! Chad ps: I don't work for Apple or anything. Just that it seems you are spending an awful amount of time trying to get simple things to work. Time that could be better spent elsewhere I assume. On Nov 7, 2004, at 11:58 AM, Lloyd Hayes wrote: Thanks for the reply. I liked what you said, and it pretty much sums up what I've seen all across the UNIX world. BSD and Linux seem to be geared towards permanent locations and for regular repeated types of projects. Mobility seems to a available, but on a very limited scale. However, there are people out there doing just this. I would really like read about their experiences with problems and solutions. As for using a Mac. I have always considered the Mac a superior machine, but their sales structure turns me off. They end up being too expensive. On my recommendation, my brother bought a Mac desktop. He like it so well that he bought a Mac laptop too. He's works as a Nuclear Analyst and a couple of years ago, he changed companies to work as head of department for a new company starting up. The people in the IT department are always dropping into his office to check his laptop. They check everyone's laptops which are used within the company. They are always wishing that the M$ operating laptops worked as well as his MAC. I've considered putting Darwin on my computers, but from what I have read, there are not enough PC type drivers for it. What originally drew me to FreeBSD was that the Mac OS-X was based on FreeBSD. But I have gotten side-tracked off of the subject. If I read your answer right, I can put any name in here like traveler2.hayes.org, and as long as it's connecting to the Internet and it's not a server connected from the Internet, it should be OK. Right? Lloyd Hayes Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://TalkingStaff.bravehost.com E-FAX Number: (208) 248-6590 Matthew Seaman wrote: On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 11:49:13PM -0700, Lloyd Hayes wrote: [ Hostname changes when going on-line from different locations ] don't worry about it. With XFree86, it is an issue. It appears that Xorg won't configure correctly without it. Although I won't swear that's the problem with Xorg. One problem you will run into, with either flavour of X Windows, is to do with the authentication mechanism. X is designed to be network transparent -- so I can run an X program somewhere else on the net and have it put its windows etc. on my local desktop. See xauth(1) for a program you can use to manage access in that way. The problem is that the records xauth(1) keeps in ~/.Xauthority are based on the machine's hostname -- and that includes connecting to the local desktop too, as a degenerate case of 'across the network'. So if your hostname changes, suddenly you may well have to quit your current X session, log out and log in again to reestablish those credentials. There are other programs, like sendmail(8), ipfw(8), natd(8), which will tend to have an adverse reaction to the hostname and IP number changing out from beneath them unless very carefully configured. Now, usually this doesn't pose too much of a problem as typically dhclient(8) isn't configured to modify the hostname. The trouble happens when the authentication system tries to *verify* the host name. It does that by looking up the name in the DNS, which returns one or more IP numbers. Then it looks up those IP numbers, and counts the name as verified if any of them return the original hostname. [Well, there's a bit more to it than that involving various other DNS record types, but that's the basic idea] You can see that there are going to be problems with this if you're moving between different connectivity providers: * Either you choose your own hostname and stick with it -- except that the IP
Re: Naming confusion
On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 11:49:13PM -0700, Lloyd Hayes wrote: [ Hostname changes when going on-line from different locations ] don't worry about it. With XFree86, it is an issue. It appears that Xorg won't configure correctly without it. Although I won't swear that's the problem with Xorg. One problem you will run into, with either flavour of X Windows, is to do with the authentication mechanism. X is designed to be network transparent -- so I can run an X program somewhere else on the net and have it put its windows etc. on my local desktop. See xauth(1) for a program you can use to manage access in that way. The problem is that the records xauth(1) keeps in ~/.Xauthority are based on the machine's hostname -- and that includes connecting to the local desktop too, as a degenerate case of 'across the network'. So if your hostname changes, suddenly you may well have to quit your current X session, log out and log in again to reestablish those credentials. There are other programs, like sendmail(8), ipfw(8), natd(8), which will tend to have an adverse reaction to the hostname and IP number changing out from beneath them unless very carefully configured. Now, usually this doesn't pose too much of a problem as typically dhclient(8) isn't configured to modify the hostname. The trouble happens when the authentication system tries to *verify* the host name. It does that by looking up the name in the DNS, which returns one or more IP numbers. Then it looks up those IP numbers, and counts the name as verified if any of them return the original hostname. [Well, there's a bit more to it than that involving various other DNS record types, but that's the basic idea] You can see that there are going to be problems with this if you're moving between different connectivity providers: * Either you choose your own hostname and stick with it -- except that the IP number you get from the ISP won't resolve back to that hostname. In this case you could use a 'dynamic dns' type service, as provided by eg. http://www.dyndns.org/ -- not recommending that serive in particular, just using it as an example. However this is normally used by home users and precise timings of updates etc. may make it unsuitable for you. You'll have to experiment. Note that the hostname doesn't actually *have* to correspond to any of the IP numbers configured on any of the interfaces, but that most software will assume that it does unless configured otherwise. And it can be quite tricky to configure some packages to cope with that sort of setup. * You accept the hostname that goes with the IP number dished out by the ISP temporarily. That means logging out and back in again when you go on-line. I've been using my backup computer as a test bed for the various operating systems. M$ has never been real reliable. But my virus software seems to be blocking viruses almost daily which are aimed at one Microsoft product or another. It has become apparent to me that any computer that I have which is connected to the Internet needs to be using non-M$ products. I had hoped to make a painless transfer to one of the Linux or BSD products, much as I did about 11 years ago when I jumped from CBM and Apple computers to PCs. (13 years of using CBM computers and only a couple of years of using Apples.) Have you considered using a MacOS X machine? It has all of the reliability and power of a Unix box, together with a user interface which has had tens of thousands of man-hours put into polishing away all of those sort of usability problems. It's very different indeed from the old MacOS. In theory you can configure a FreeBSD portable to be almost as flexible configuration-wise as a MacOS box is. But it isn't as easy, and it certainly isn't for complete beginners. As you say, in so many words: FreeBSD demands that you learn. Once you've got over the initial hump most people find it quite rewarding and a very pleasant OS to use. So far, it has been anything but painless. The priorities of a UNIX system is far different then what I've experienced. And I have yet to get a UNIX type system developed enough to access the Internet. One challenge or another keeps cropping up. So, it seems that I'm hitting text books again, and asking questions during my spare time The question that I keep asking myself is if I can get to a point with FreeBSD, or any UNIX type system, where I am comfortable with it and I can make it adapt to my changing environment. At this point, I feel that if I can learn enough about it, FreeBSD is my best answer. My reasoning is that while newer programs are always put into usage on any OS, you can usually still manually configure everything with FreeBSD. Yes. When people say that FreeBSD is a 'server OS', one of the things that they imply is that it will be configured with a permanent
Re: Naming confusion
Lloyd Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
don't worry about it.
With XFree86, it is an issue.
It appears that Xorg won't configure correctly without it. Although I
won't swear that's the problem with Xorg.
If you describe the actual symptoms you're seeing, someone might be
able to help.
Unless you're trying to have someone outside reach your machine (as
opposed to vice versa), you might as well just use whatever name the
ISP you're currently connected to tries to give you.
U, The computer with FBSD on it has not been connected to the
Internet since last winter, when it had Win 98SE on it. I'm a truck
driver who carries two computers in the truck with me, and seem to be
collecting more older computers at home in Wyoming. In the truck, I
always have one computer turned on. I get my loads over the Internet,
get most of my news over the Internet, keep truck records, do my legal
logbook, and keep in touch with my daughters who live in Europe, and
learn about FreeBSD all with a laptop computer. The fact of the matter
is that I can not even work without a working computer.
I can't even tell from that paragraph whether you want the FreeBSD
machine to be Internet-connected or not. If you don't, then just pick
any old name for the machine (preferably with a non-existent top-level
domain), stick that name into rc.conf as 'hostname', and add it to
/etc/hosts as well (for 127.0.0.1).
E.g.,
rc.conf could have
hostname=lloyd-freebsd.private
and hosts could have
127.0.0.1 localhost lloyd-freebsd.private
Since many of the processes running on FreeBSD require a 'named'
computer, I need to know how to handle this. Otherwise, as it says in
The Complete FreeBSD book, there will be processes which will not
run, or else they will not run correctly on my computer. The answer to
this problem does not seemed to be addressed while using 'dhclient' in
any of the printed information that I could find.
If you're running DHCP, then you could just have dhclient set the
system name. I do something like this on my own laptop, but I haven't
got access to it at the moment. Basically I just had one of the
dhclient hooks scripts set the machine's hostname to whatever DHCP
had just assigned. Something like:
if [ x${new_host_name} = x ] ; then
hostname ${new_host_name}
fi
If you want to be able to go offline without rebooting, you would need
a little more tinkering -- probably an entry in pccard.conf resetting
your hostname when you remove the modem card would do that.
--
Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area
http://be-well.ilk.org:8088/~lowell/
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Re: Naming confusion
Thanks for the reply. I liked what you said, and it pretty much sums up what I've seen all across the UNIX world. BSD and Linux seem to be geared towards permanent locations and for regular repeated types of projects. Mobility seems to a available, but on a very limited scale. However, there are people out there doing just this. I would really like read about their experiences with problems and solutions. As for using a Mac. I have always considered the Mac a superior machine, but their sales structure turns me off. They end up being too expensive. On my recommendation, my brother bought a Mac desktop. He like it so well that he bought a Mac laptop too. He's works as a Nuclear Analyst and a couple of years ago, he changed companies to work as head of department for a new company starting up. The people in the IT department are always dropping into his office to check his laptop. They check everyone's laptops which are used within the company. They are always wishing that the M$ operating laptops worked as well as his MAC. I've considered putting Darwin on my computers, but from what I have read, there are not enough PC type drivers for it. What originally drew me to FreeBSD was that the Mac OS-X was based on FreeBSD. But I have gotten side-tracked off of the subject. If I read your answer right, I can put any name in here like traveler2.hayes.org, and as long as it's connecting to the Internet and it's not a server connected from the Internet, it should be OK. Right? Lloyd Hayes Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://TalkingStaff.bravehost.com E-FAX Number: (208) 248-6590 Matthew Seaman wrote: On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 11:49:13PM -0700, Lloyd Hayes wrote: [ Hostname changes when going on-line from different locations ] don't worry about it. With XFree86, it is an issue. It appears that Xorg won't configure correctly without it. Although I won't swear that's the problem with Xorg. One problem you will run into, with either flavour of X Windows, is to do with the authentication mechanism. X is designed to be network transparent -- so I can run an X program somewhere else on the net and have it put its windows etc. on my local desktop. See xauth(1) for a program you can use to manage access in that way. The problem is that the records xauth(1) keeps in ~/.Xauthority are based on the machine's hostname -- and that includes connecting to the local desktop too, as a degenerate case of 'across the network'. So if your hostname changes, suddenly you may well have to quit your current X session, log out and log in again to reestablish those credentials. There are other programs, like sendmail(8), ipfw(8), natd(8), which will tend to have an adverse reaction to the hostname and IP number changing out from beneath them unless very carefully configured. Now, usually this doesn't pose too much of a problem as typically dhclient(8) isn't configured to modify the hostname. The trouble happens when the authentication system tries to *verify* the host name. It does that by looking up the name in the DNS, which returns one or more IP numbers. Then it looks up those IP numbers, and counts the name as verified if any of them return the original hostname. [Well, there's a bit more to it than that involving various other DNS record types, but that's the basic idea] You can see that there are going to be problems with this if you're moving between different connectivity providers: * Either you choose your own hostname and stick with it -- except that the IP number you get from the ISP won't resolve back to that hostname. In this case you could use a 'dynamic dns' type service, as provided by eg. http://www.dyndns.org/ -- not recommending that serive in particular, just using it as an example. However this is normally used by home users and precise timings of updates etc. may make it unsuitable for you. You'll have to experiment. Note that the hostname doesn't actually *have* to correspond to any of the IP numbers configured on any of the interfaces, but that most software will assume that it does unless configured otherwise. And it can be quite tricky to configure some packages to cope with that sort of setup. * You accept the hostname that goes with the IP number dished out by the ISP temporarily. That means logging out and back in again when you go on-line. I've been using my backup computer as a test bed for the various operating systems. M$ has never been real reliable. But my virus software seems to be blocking viruses almost daily which are aimed at one Microsoft product or another. It has become apparent to me that any computer that I have which is connected to the Internet needs to be using non-M$ products. I had hoped to make a painless transfer to one of the Linux or BSD products, much as I did about 11 years ago when I jumped from CBM and Apple computers to PCs. (13 years of using
Re: Naming confusion
Lowell Gilbert wrote:
Lloyd Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
don't worry about it.
With XFree86, it is an issue.
It appears that Xorg won't configure correctly without it. Although I
won't swear that's the problem with Xorg.
If you describe the actual symptoms you're seeing, someone might be
able to help.
Unless you're trying to have someone outside reach your machine (as
opposed to vice versa), you might as well just use whatever name the
ISP you're currently connected to tries to give you.
U, The computer with FBSD on it has not been connected to the
Internet since last winter, when it had Win 98SE on it. I'm a truck
driver who carries two computers in the truck with me, and seem to be
collecting more older computers at home in Wyoming. In the truck, I
always have one computer turned on. I get my loads over the Internet,
get most of my news over the Internet, keep truck records, do my legal
logbook, and keep in touch with my daughters who live in Europe, and
learn about FreeBSD all with a laptop computer. The fact of the matter
is that I can not even work without a working computer.
I can't even tell from that paragraph whether you want the FreeBSD
machine to be Internet-connected or not. If you don't, then just pick
any old name for the machine (preferably with a non-existent top-level
domain), stick that name into rc.conf as 'hostname', and add it to
/etc/hosts as well (for 127.0.0.1).
E.g.,
rc.conf could have
hostname=lloyd-freebsd.private
and hosts could have
127.0.0.1 localhost lloyd-freebsd.private
Since many of the processes running on FreeBSD require a 'named'
computer, I need to know how to handle this. Otherwise, as it says in
The Complete FreeBSD book, there will be processes which will not
run, or else they will not run correctly on my computer. The answer to
this problem does not seemed to be addressed while using 'dhclient' in
any of the printed information that I could find.
If you're running DHCP, then you could just have dhclient set the
system name. I do something like this on my own laptop, but I haven't
got access to it at the moment. Basically I just had one of the
dhclient hooks scripts set the machine's hostname to whatever DHCP
had just assigned. Something like:
if [ x${new_host_name} = x ] ; then
hostname ${new_host_name}
fi
If you want to be able to go offline without rebooting, you would need
a little more tinkering -- probably an entry in pccard.conf resetting
your hostname when you remove the modem card would do that.
Do I want to connect this machine to the Internet? Yes, as a client.
Have I been able to connect this machine to the Internet using FreeBSD? No
Conditions for Internet Access: WiFi 802.11 b or g wireless at
different locations all across the USA. No regular access location
or service, and no land line.
Other considerations: External (CD-Burner-DVD Roms, Hard Drives,
Scanners, Printers, Cameras, Video - Audio - Multimedia Devices,
Modems, WiFi cards, Port Adapters, Touch Tablets w/mice, Keyboards,
mice, etc.) These devices are all external from the laptops.
One problem or another always comes up. Right now, I'm dealing with this
naming issue.
Xorg is a problem which seems to come under the heading of New
Technology. I'll stick with XFree86.
Xorg is now off of this computer.
Lloyd Hayes
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Naming confusion
On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 11:58:24AM -0700, Lloyd Hayes wrote: If I read your answer right, I can put any name in here like traveler2.hayes.org, and as long as it's connecting to the Internet and it's not a server connected from the Internet, it should be OK. Right? Well, if this is your machine, and you've paid Netidentity.com for the rights to use that name from the hayes.org zone they control: % host traveler2.hayes.org traveler2.hayes.org has address 64.15.175.5 then that's probably fine. It should work OK off the net. If you're using it as a client but from some other IP number, then some things will work -- web browsing should be fine -- but others won't -- ssh(1) will throw screaming hissy-fits. Things like e-mail can be persuaded to work, assuming you want an address like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK pgpAI5HCPJ2i6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Naming confusion
On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 12:29:23PM -0700, Lloyd Hayes wrote: Xorg is a problem which seems to come under the heading of New Technology. I'll stick with XFree86. Xorg is now off of this computer. X.org and XFree86 are almost identical right now. Apart from a few small details (eg. the precise colour of blue text.) and the levels of support for some of the very latest graphics hardware, you probably aren't going to see much difference at all between the ways they behave. It's not going to stay that way though: X.org are planning on introducing a lot of new stuff much faster that XFree86 ever did -- but that's mostly because XFree86 development was glacially slow. X.org has also been chosen as the favoured X implementation by all of the Linux distros, FreeBSD (where it's standard in 5.x), NetBSD and OpenBSD as well as big names like Sun, IBM and HP. It's definitely the way of the future. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK pgpigS9obmhyB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Naming confusion
Ouch! % host traveler2.hayes.org traveler2.hayes.org has address 64.15.175.5 ssh(1) will throw screaming hissy-fits. While the hayes has been popular with computers for almost 30 years, I was sort of hoping that it would not make a difference on my personal computer. Having an email address assigned to my personal computer is a new experience for me. Each computer that I have ever had was named with a unique name that I assigned it. Laptops became my traveler# series. But I am referring to local computer names, not Internet addresses. How do I name this thing is a way that will not effect my Internet access? Using the same Internet access service or location on a regular basis is not an option. This is a personal computer. Not a dumb teminal... X must be able to run, along with other functions. Speaking of X, X.org and XFree86 are almost identical right now. Apart from a few small details (eg. the precise colour of blue text.) and the levels of support for some of the very latest graphics hardware, you probably aren't going to see much difference at all between the ways they behave. I can get XFree86 up and running in just a few minutes. I haven't gotten Xorg to start up yet, and have reached a point where I want nothing to do with Xorg. I believe that the problems that I have with Xorg relates back to this naming function, and may be incompatible with my environment. X.org has also been chosen as the favoured X implementation by all of the Linux distros I'm surprised at that since I have had Fedora Core 2 and Debian Sarge on this same laptop in the last couple of months. If it was using X.org, then I was transparent and I did not realize it. A note on Linux: Fedora Core 2, from Red Hat, has migrated to automatic functions leaving manuel adjustments behind. I found that I needed those manual adjustments. It appears that those manual adjustment programs have become part of the Red Hat Enterprise software. And I am not up to spending $350 for the current version of Red Hat that I would need. Debian Sarge provides software for everything. There are 14 CDs in this set. I liked this distrobution. But it's too easy to mess up your current system by installing the wrong software. What does FreeBSD have that these Linux distrobutions do not have? All of the software for FreeBSD works, until you include Xorg, and there are manual ways of adjusting everything. (Plus FreeBSD will install from an external SCSI CD ROM.) And I have really gotten off of the subject. What can I do to get the computer named, and what naming convention should I use? In reading your email, you suggest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The email address listed here is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I also have [EMAIL PROTECTED] or any address lloyd545220-(anthing)@yahoo.com (I would have to register (anything), but the entire block here is mine to assign.) This is re-directed to my real email address of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Should I simply use my real email address? Would Yahoo get upset about that? Would this address be accepted by the FreeBSD system? Lloyd Hayes Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://TalkingStaff.bravehost.com E-FAX Number: (208) 248-6590 Matthew Seaman wrote: On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 11:58:24AM -0700, Lloyd Hayes wrote: If I read your answer right, I can put any name in here like traveler2.hayes.org, and as long as it's connecting to the Internet and it's not a server connected from the Internet, it should be OK. Right? Well, if this is your machine, and you've paid Netidentity.com for the rights to use that name from the hayes.org zone they control: % host traveler2.hayes.org traveler2.hayes.org has address 64.15.175.5 then that's probably fine. It should work OK off the net. If you're using it as a client but from some other IP number, then some things will work -- web browsing should be fine -- but others won't -- ssh(1) will throw screaming hissy-fits. Things like e-mail can be persuaded to work, assuming you want an address like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, Matthew ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Naming confusion
Lloyd Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Naming the computer host? I'm confused by this. As I understand it, I get a different DNS assignment every time that I hook into the Internet from a different location. Yet FBSD seems to want a permanent assignment which I would normally get from my ISP. I don't have a permanent ISP. I mainly use 2 services at locations all across the USA. Normally I simply assign a name to the computer, but it appears that FBSD wants a complete Internet address. Unless you're trying to have someone outside reach your machine (as opposed to vice versa), you might as well just use whatever name the ISP you're currently connected to tries to give you. This appears to me to be a conflict. I think that I read in The Complete FreeBSD, 4th Edition where there are some addresses to use if the computer will never be hooked into the Internet. But that is not the case here. That's IP addresses, not DNS names. It is an unrelated issue; don't worry about it. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Naming confusion
don't worry about it. With XFree86, it is an issue. It appears that Xorg won't configure correctly without it. Although I won't swear that's the problem with Xorg. Unless you're trying to have someone outside reach your machine (as opposed to vice versa), you might as well just use whatever name the ISP you're currently connected to tries to give you. U, The computer with FBSD on it has not been connected to the Internet since last winter, when it had Win 98SE on it. I'm a truck driver who carries two computers in the truck with me, and seem to be collecting more older computers at home in Wyoming. In the truck, I always have one computer turned on. I get my loads over the Internet, get most of my news over the Internet, keep truck records, do my legal logbook, and keep in touch with my daughters who live in Europe, and learn about FreeBSD all with a laptop computer. The fact of the matter is that I can not even work without a working computer. I've been using my backup computer as a test bed for the various operating systems. M$ has never been real reliable. But my virus software seems to be blocking viruses almost daily which are aimed at one Microsoft product or another. It has become apparent to me that any computer that I have which is connected to the Internet needs to be using non-M$ products. I had hoped to make a painless transfer to one of the Linux or BSD products, much as I did about 11 years ago when I jumped from CBM and Apple computers to PCs. (13 years of using CBM computers and only a couple of years of using Apples.) So far, it has been anything but painless. The priorities of a UNIX system is far different then what I've experienced. And I have yet to get a UNIX type system developed enough to access the Internet. One challenge or another keeps cropping up. So, it seems that I'm hitting text books again, and asking questions during my spare time The question that I keep asking myself is if I can get to a point with FreeBSD, or any UNIX type system, where I am comfortable with it and I can make it adapt to my changing environment. At this point, I feel that if I can learn enough about it, FreeBSD is my best answer. My reasoning is that while newer programs are always put into usage on any OS, you can usually still manually configure everything with FreeBSD. Since many of the processes running on FreeBSD require a 'named' computer, I need to know how to handle this. Otherwise, as it says in The Complete FreeBSD book, there will be processes which will not run, or else they will not run correctly on my computer. The answer to this problem does not seemed to be addressed while using 'dhclient' in any of the printed information that I could find. Lloyd Hayes Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://TalkingStaff.bravehost.com E-FAX Number: (208) 248-6590 Lowell Gilbert wrote: Lloyd Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Naming the computer host? I'm confused by this. As I understand it, I get a different DNS assignment every time that I hook into the Internet from a different location. Yet FBSD seems to want a permanent assignment which I would normally get from my ISP. I don't have a permanent ISP. I mainly use 2 services at locations all across the USA. Normally I simply assign a name to the computer, but it appears that FBSD wants a complete Internet address. Unless you're trying to have someone outside reach your machine (as opposed to vice versa), you might as well just use whatever name the ISP you're currently connected to tries to give you. This appears to me to be a conflict. I think that I read in The Complete FreeBSD, 4th Edition where there are some addresses to use if the computer will never be hooked into the Internet. But that is not the case here. That's IP addresses, not DNS names. It is an unrelated issue; don't worry about it. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Naming confusion
* Lloyd Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [1109 16:09]: Here's a new thread. Naming the computer host? I'm confused by this. As I understand it, I get a different DNS assignment every time that I hook into the Internet from a different location. Yet FBSD seems to want a permanent assignment which I would normally get from my ISP. I don't have a permanent ISP. I mainly use 2 services at locations all across the USA. Normally I simply assign a name to the computer, but it appears that FBSD wants a complete Internet address. No, it shouldn't do. But life does get a lot saner if you get a free dynamic domain name from somewhere like dyndns.org and use ddclient from ports to automatically update it when you change IP. -- Oh how awful. Did he at least die peacefully? To shreds you say, tsk tsk tsk. Well, how's his wife holding up? To shreds, you say... - Prof. Farnsworth Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Naming confusion
It doesn't matter what name you give the machine. Just add that name to /etc/hosts as the loop back address' lookup name. I refer to this computer as traveler2. It is the 2nd laptop that I had purchased. Everything before had been desktops. I have traveler2 and traveler4 in the truck with me. OK, lets say that I call it traveler2.hayes.org. Where will I get into trouble with this? Also, in reading about DHCP, I think that I read something about a caution concerning naming of the computer. Something about the computer should not have been named before. Is this correct? Can I just insert a name into the /etc/rc.conf file? Or do I need to go through the 'Name' procedure? It seems that I can't setup the DHCP, ddclients, until I get a wifi card that FBSD recognizes. All of my Internet access is through WiFi connections Also, In the /etc/hosts file, I understand the 27.0.0.0, but what is this ::1 address? Lloyd Hayes Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://TalkingStaff.bravehost.com E-FAX Number: (208) 248-6590 Jeremy Faulkner wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lloyd Hayes wrote: | Here's a new thread. | Naming the computer host? | | I'm confused by this. As I understand it, I get a different DNS | assignment every time that I hook into the Internet from a different | location. Yet FBSD seems to want a permanent assignment which I would | normally get from my ISP. I don't have a permanent ISP. I mainly use 2 | services at locations all across the USA. Normally I simply assign a | name to the computer, but it appears that FBSD wants a complete Internet | address. | | This appears to me to be a conflict. I think that I read in The | Complete FreeBSD, 4th Edition where there are some addresses to use if | the computer will never be hooked into the Internet. But that is not the | case here. | | Any ideas or help here? | It doesn't matter what name you give the machine. Just add that name to /etc/hosts as the loop back address' lookup name. The only thing that could go wrong is if you us a name that is the same as another computer that you try to connect to. The system will resolve the name to be your computer and will connect to itself instead of the remote machine. - -- Jeremy Faulkner[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBir8Zfb0Lle2MIEIRAh03AJsE1297tvKCWMKluvPTVht79h4FQgCeIn3y dudmmQEcDvvO8KmPsGSfT4A= =NMgA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Naming confusion
Here's a new thread. Naming the computer host? I'm confused by this. As I understand it, I get a different DNS assignment every time that I hook into the Internet from a different location. Yet FBSD seems to want a permanent assignment which I would normally get from my ISP. I don't have a permanent ISP. I mainly use 2 services at locations all across the USA. Normally I simply assign a name to the computer, but it appears that FBSD wants a complete Internet address. This appears to me to be a conflict. I think that I read in The Complete FreeBSD, 4th Edition where there are some addresses to use if the computer will never be hooked into the Internet. But that is not the case here. Any ideas or help here? -- Lloyd Hayes Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://TalkingStaff.bravehost.com E-FAX Number: (208) 248-6590 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Naming confusion
Here's a new thread. Naming the computer host? I'm confused by this. As I understand it, I get a different DNS assignment every time that I hook into the Internet from a different location. Yet FBSD seems to want a permanent assignment which I would normally get from my ISP. I don't have a permanent ISP. I mainly use 2 services at locations all across the USA. Normally I simply assign a name to the computer, but it appears that FBSD wants a complete Internet address. Check out DHCP. Once you have read up on that, see if you have further questions. Good luck, jerry This appears to me to be a conflict. I think that I read in The Complete FreeBSD, 4th Edition where there are some addresses to use if the computer will never be hooked into the Internet. But that is not the case here. Any ideas or help here? -- Lloyd Hayes Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://TalkingStaff.bravehost.com E-FAX Number: (208) 248-6590 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Naming confusion
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lloyd Hayes wrote: | Here's a new thread. | Naming the computer host? | | I'm confused by this. As I understand it, I get a different DNS | assignment every time that I hook into the Internet from a different | location. Yet FBSD seems to want a permanent assignment which I would | normally get from my ISP. I don't have a permanent ISP. I mainly use 2 | services at locations all across the USA. Normally I simply assign a | name to the computer, but it appears that FBSD wants a complete Internet | address. | | This appears to me to be a conflict. I think that I read in The | Complete FreeBSD, 4th Edition where there are some addresses to use if | the computer will never be hooked into the Internet. But that is not the | case here. | | Any ideas or help here? | It doesn't matter what name you give the machine. Just add that name to /etc/hosts as the loop back address' lookup name. The only thing that could go wrong is if you us a name that is the same as another computer that you try to connect to. The system will resolve the name to be your computer and will connect to itself instead of the remote machine. - -- Jeremy Faulkner [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBir8Zfb0Lle2MIEIRAh03AJsE1297tvKCWMKluvPTVht79h4FQgCeIn3y dudmmQEcDvvO8KmPsGSfT4A= =NMgA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
