Re: Need help installing on SATA
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:06:51PM -0500, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: Does anyone know the magic incantation that will permit me to install FreeBSD on this new machine of mine (nVidia chipset, SATA1 disk controller)? I've been trying for a week or so now, with no luck. Just out of curiosity, I downloaded and ran Ubuntu 8.x, and it recognized all of my hardware automatically. The FreeBSD installer (both in 7.x and 8.x), though, can't find my hard drive or CD-ROM. I *really* don't want to have to resort to Linux, not after using FreeBSD for 12 years now, but if I can't find a solution to this problem, I'll have no choice. :-( Thanks for any advice. Hello Conrad, Recently I had a similar problem. My motherboard is: NVIDIA MCP73 Fortunately, the above motherboard also has an ATA controller. So I installed an ATA drive and installed FreeBSD 7.x. Later I tried to patch the ata drivers but didn't get it right. See the following thread: http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=101821+0+archive/2008/freebsd-stable/20080921.freebsd-stable Later on, Andrey V. Elsukov provided a patch. See the following thread: http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=206853+0+archive/2008/freebsd-stable/20080928.freebsd-stable I can now see the SATA drive (thanks to Andrey V. Elsukov) that is installed in the system with Ubuntu. But I'm still have some issues with the DVD Writer that is also connected to the SATA controller. I'm getting read errors when I try to view a DVD. I haven't had the time to research it yet. Maybe the above will help. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need help installing on SATA
On 10 Oct 2008 at 22:08, Brian wrote: Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: Does anyone know the magic incantation that will permit me to install FreeBSD on this new machine of mine (nVidia chipset, SATA1 disk controller)? I've been trying for a week or so now, with no luck. Just out of curiosity, I downloaded and ran Ubuntu 8.x, and it recognized all of my hardware automatically. The FreeBSD installer (both in 7.x and 8.x), though, can't find my hard drive or CD-ROM. [snip] Can u not get thru the install, or do you have issues afterwards? I make it thru the install ok, but when I upgrade to stable, I have problems due to numbering changes. I'd suggest using google or the freebsd website to search for your motherboard model and some other search terms. You'll probably be told to check the supported hw list to start with. No, the install process breaks down when I go to the disk partitioning screen, as no useable disks are being found at all. I'll try to gather more detailed info on my hardware and try asking again. Also will try 7.1-BETA, although I'm rather pessimistic since I've already tried the latest CURRENT snapshot with the same results. :-( Conrad ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need help installing on SATA
On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 04:17:24 -0700 Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People will use whatever gets the job done for them. If it doesn't, users *will* switch to another operating system, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Why? Because reality states: solving problems is more important than advocacy or superiority. I could not have said it better myself. While the hobbyist can afford to spend whatever time they have available on their hobby; in a business environment, results are what matter first and foremost. Neither software nor hardware, irregardless of cost, is of any use if it does not work, and work well. A pseudo elitist attitude is just not acceptable in a corporate atmosphere. -- Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bubble Memory, n.: A derogatory term, usually referring to a person's intelligence. See also vacuum tube. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Need help installing on SATA
they're committing a sin by using another operating system. Open source is about freedom of choice -- if FreeBSD doesn't work for you or get the job done, and Linux does, then use Linux! If Windows works for you, use Windows! There's absolutely no shame in that. Blind, one-sided except when it's not advocacy but superiority, for example i would rather seek other hardware than run linux. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need help installing on SATA
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:06:51PM -0500, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: Does anyone know the magic incantation that will permit me to install FreeBSD on this new machine of mine (nVidia chipset, SATA1 disk controller)? This information is too vague. We need to know *exactly*: 1) What motherboard model, 2) What SATA controller you're using (nVidia chipset is too vague), 3) If you're using BIOS-level RAID or not, 4) What version of 7.x you're trying to install. Please note that FreeBSD often does not support brand-spanking-new hardware. For example, there are Asus motherboards out right now which use a Marvell ATA/PATA controller which FreeBSD does not have support for. Linux adopts brand-spanking-new hardware much quicker than we do. Finally, these problems are difficult to solve; it's a chicken-and-egg problem. Even if you can get into the Fixit CD's Fixit# prompt and type dmesg, you probably don't have serial console or anything hooked up, so getting us the dmesg output would be very difficult. I've been trying for a week or so now, with no luck. Just out of curiosity, I downloaded and ran Ubuntu 8.x, and it recognized all of my hardware automatically. The FreeBSD installer (both in 7.x and 8.x), though, can't find my hard drive or CD-ROM. There have been *tons* of changes to the ATA/SATA layer between different 7.x versions. I would urge you to try 7.1-BETA (do not let the term BETA scare you away) and see if it works for you: ftp://ftp4.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/7.1/ ftp://ftp4.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/7.1/ There are some of us which have this problem on CURRENT (8.0). For example, in my case, my Promise TX4310 card is not even seen on the PCI bus during boot-up, while it works just fine in RELENG_7. I *really* don't want to have to resort to Linux, not after using FreeBSD for 12 years now, but if I can't find a solution to this problem, I'll have no choice. :-( I'm not sure why people resort to saying things like this, like somehow they're committing a sin by using another operating system. Open source is about freedom of choice -- if FreeBSD doesn't work for you or get the job done, and Linux does, then use Linux! If Windows works for you, use Windows! There's absolutely no shame in that. Blind, one-sided advocacy only harms open source projects. -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need help installing on SATA
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 12:44:03PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: they're committing a sin by using another operating system. Open source is about freedom of choice -- if FreeBSD doesn't work for you or get the job done, and Linux does, then use Linux! If Windows works for you, use Windows! There's absolutely no shame in that. Blind, one-sided except when it's not advocacy but superiority, for example i would rather seek other hardware than run linux. What the OP described is definitely advocacy; I've been using FreeBSD for 12 years and insert-sympathetic-cry-here. The sooner users and system administrators stop toting this my-os rocks! It's better than yours! It's better than other-os! attitude the more mature and serious said operating system will appear to the world, and to commercial vendors. Speaking solely with regards to Linux: it has the upper hand in many regards. As someone who used Linux from 1992 until 1997, and switched to BSD, I have experience in both worlds. Linux today has: - More kernel developers that know the innards well. FreeBSD has no where near the quantity of said kernel folks, which means our guys are over-worked and stressed most of the time, and if a key person goes on hiatus, there's no guarantee issues will get dealt with while they are gone (see below), - Multiple (read: more than one) kernel developers who are dedicated to parts of the kernel. FreeBSD has many very key/important pieces which are maintained by *one individual ONLY*. If that individual is busy with their job, real life, out sick, or even death (yes, this has happened!), it means that a key part of the kernel ends up being neglected for an indefinite amount of time (usually years), - Full support from hardware manufacturers/vendors. Linux developers are able to get development/test-bed cards (and usually documentation) for developing a new driver, sometimes for hardware/chips that aren't even on the market yet. FreeBSD *very* rarely, if ever, gets this. We resort to looking at NetBSD or OpenBSD code (and they are in the same boat we are), hoping they have support for said hardware. If not, we resort to looking at Linux code (which is immensely different from ours). Vendors often ignore us. I can expand on why I believe this is, but I have no example cases to back my opinions up, - Turn-around time on fixes or bugs is significantly faster than ours, especially in kernel-land. This is a direct result of having more regularly-operating eyes, - Larger user base. This means more bug reports, which I consider a good thing -- it means more things are getting fixed, - More user-friendly interface pieces. There are many aspects of FreeBSD which require knowledge of C, or require that someone write a C wrapper to get certain pieces of data from the kernel. Linux has numerous methods which allow someone using Python or Ruby or Perl to access said data. FreeBSD can accomplish this, there's nothing stopping us except time/effort, so it's not really a negative against FreeBSD; but people *are* picking Linux because of this, - A significantly different attitude when it comes to support. Back when I used Linux, the attitude was *horrible* (which is why I moved to BSD), but it has improved greatly in the past 10 years. I can expand on this if need be, but you'll just have to trust me for now. One of the attitudes we have which is very unrealistic is you have the source, you can fix it yourself -- I'd say 80% of our community does not have the ability (or time) to do this. It is rude and unprofessional of us to expect this of our users. This is reality, I'm sorry to say; no form of advocacy, T-shirt-wearing, or blogging FreeBSD rocks! will change it. In my opinion, it's better to embrace the above facts (because nothing is perfect, Linux included!), and try to improve on them. People will use whatever gets the job done for them. If it doesn't, users *will* switch to another operating system, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Why? Because reality states: solving problems is more important than advocacy or superiority. -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Need help installing on SATA
Does anyone know the magic incantation that will permit me to install FreeBSD on this new machine of mine (nVidia chipset, SATA1 disk controller)? I've been trying for a week or so now, with no luck. Just out of curiosity, I downloaded and ran Ubuntu 8.x, and it recognized all of my hardware automatically. The FreeBSD installer (both in 7.x and 8.x), though, can't find my hard drive or CD-ROM. I *really* don't want to have to resort to Linux, not after using FreeBSD for 12 years now, but if I can't find a solution to this problem, I'll have no choice. :-( Thanks for any advice. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need help installing on SATA
Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: Does anyone know the magic incantation that will permit me to install FreeBSD on this new machine of mine (nVidia chipset, SATA1 disk controller)? I've been trying for a week or so now, with no luck. Just out of curiosity, I downloaded and ran Ubuntu 8.x, and it recognized all of my hardware automatically. The FreeBSD installer (both in 7.x and 8.x), though, can't find my hard drive or CD-ROM. I *really* don't want to have to resort to Linux, not after using FreeBSD for 12 years now, but if I can't find a solution to this problem, I'll have no choice. :-( Thanks for any advice. Can u not get thru the install, or do you have issues afterwards? I make it thru the install ok, but when I upgrade to stable, I have problems due to numbering changes. I'd suggest using google or the freebsd website to search for your motherboard model and some other search terms. You'll probably be told to check the supported hw list to start with. Brian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
