Re: Newbie--new install on Core 2 Duo?
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:44:57 +0100, Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why shall you do the double job by installing the FreeBSD, then reinstall it after adding SMP option to kernel? Couldn't we get FreeBSD to install the right kernel based on the number of the cpu(s) in the system? I recently installed FreeBSD 6.2 from scratch and the installer automagically installed the SMP-kernel. So this feature is already there. Andreas ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie--new install on Core 2 Duo?
At about the time of 2/13/2007 12:07 PM, pete wright stated the following: On 2/13/07, Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday February 13, 2007 at 01:42:23 (PM) pete wright wrote: how would you define correct? have all systems boot with a SMP kernel by default so that machines with multiple processors automatically detect all available CPU's? then what about all the users that are using uni-proc systems? i think the current state of building a system w/o SMP enabled is great. it's not that hard to do a: cd /usr/src make buildkernel KERNCONF=SMP make installkernel KERNCONF=SMP reboot this is all covered in the FreeBSD handbook, which all new admin's/users should be reading and following closely anyway ;) It is also a hugh waste of time. Doing the initial system installation, there should be an option at the very least to enable SMP. Installing a system, then having to rebuilt and and reinstall it again if counter productive. The market is moving toward multiple CPUs. The FBSD installation routine should embrace that reality and afford it the proper consideration that it deserves. hmm...didn't realize that not loading a SMP kernel by default would turn people away from running FreeBSD. building a kernel is much different from reinstalling a system though... OT, but - I know a fair amount of locations will have a custom kernel, and most large sites will script sysinstall to load a custom kernel as well. yet, for junior admins maybe a boot time option allow one to load a SMP kernel during the install phase (which would also be the kernel the system boot's from after installation) may be helpfull. There are currently options to disable ACPI (granted that's a .ko) but perhaps there is precedent to do this. anyway, sounds like a good PR :) -pete Interesting. I have a computer here that's a AMD 64 3700 and it's not dual core, but the board is capable of using a X2 processor, so loads a SMP kernel anyways. It seems to work just fine with the single core, single CPU. The thing is though is that it refers to the CPU as cpu0. Doing it this way just might be the future... Oh, and I didn't tell it to use the SMP kernel. Sysinstall did that itself. So based on this behavior, if the bios reports SMP capable (the bios shows CPU 0 during the post), then sysinstall loads a SMP kernel? I have to turn acpi off though otherwise I get dead lock up problems. -- Daniel Rudy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Newbie--new install on Core 2 Duo?
Yes GENERIC is SMP - Just installed a QX6700 worked ok from a SMP perspective -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Rudisch Sent: 14 February 2007 08:55 To: Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri; Brian Cc: User Questions; Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum Subject: Re: Newbie--new install on Core 2 Duo? On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:44:57 +0100, Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why shall you do the double job by installing the FreeBSD, then reinstall it after adding SMP option to kernel? Couldn't we get FreeBSD to install the right kernel based on the number of the cpu(s) in the system? I recently installed FreeBSD 6.2 from scratch and the installer automagically installed the SMP-kernel. So this feature is already there. Andreas ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie--new install on Core 2 Duo?
Ive never installed FreeBSD by myself, its always been installed for me by someone. But im planning on getting a new laptop soon, thinking of the ThinkPad T60, which now has a Intel Core 2 Due processor. nice choice What do i need to do to make sure i'm getting the use of both cores? I read through the Handbook on Installation and it doesnt say anything about this. booting FreeBSD of the CD automatically detects the number of CPU's and boots the SMP kernel config. after you do your installation, with no custom kernel, it will continue to do so. the safe option is of course to build your own Kernel with SMP enabled. you are safer off installing PCBSD or DesktopBSD, though the former will give you an easier out fit for that hardware Thanks. Any other thoughts welcome! Im a little nervous about this, but the T60 seems to be well supported. you are welcome -- Mike Of course, you might discount this possibility, but remember that one in a million chances happen 99% of the time. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie--new install on Core 2 Duo?
Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/12/07, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum wrote: Ive never installed FreeBSD by myself, its always been installed for me by someone. But im planning on getting a new laptop soon, thinking of the ThinkPad T60, which now has a Intel Core 2 Due processor. What do i need to do to make sure i'm getting the use of both cores? I read through the Handbook on Installation and it doesnt say anything about this. Thanks. Any other thoughts welcome! Im a little nervous about this, but the T60 seems to be well supported. Jen The best approach to learn more about FreeBSD in my opinion is to install PCBSD 1.3.01 which is based on FreeBSD 6.1 or DesktopBSD 1.6-RC1 which is FreeBSD 6.2 , they will detect your cpus and will install the right kernel to use both cpus beside complete ready FreeBSD with KDE desktop in your thinkpad notebook. Thanks. I do want to say though that i have *used* FreeBSD alot on the desktop before (though im still pretty novice), i just havnent *installed* it--friends always did it for me. So i'm sure PCBSD or DesktopBSD are good solutions, but i'm trying to do a full install of the real thing, and learn how to do this myself. Jen - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie--new install on Core 2 Duo?
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 11:23:20AM +0300, Mike Barnard wrote: Ive never installed FreeBSD by myself, its always been installed for me by someone. But im planning on getting a new laptop soon, thinking of the ThinkPad T60, which now has a Intel Core 2 Due processor. nice choice What do i need to do to make sure i'm getting the use of both cores? I read through the Handbook on Installation and it doesnt say anything about this. booting FreeBSD of the CD automatically detects the number of CPU's and boots the SMP kernel config. after you do your installation, with no custom kernel, it will continue to do so. the safe option is of course to build your own Kernel with SMP enabled. you are safer off installing PCBSD or DesktopBSD, though the former will give you an easier out fit for that hardware Thanks. Any other thoughts welcome! Im a little nervous about this, but the T60 seems to be well supported. Just get the FreeBSD_6.2_RELEASE_disc1.iso and do the install. You're not going to hurt anything. It is going to work just fine. If you make a mistake, you can do it over and only lose a few minutes. The only little confusion might come if you are dual booting the machine. Then, just make sure you create a slice for FreeBSD and install on the FreeBSD slice and it will work fine. You don't need all these other mini-FreeBSDs or playtop FreeBSDs. It is easy enough to just install the regular FreeBSD and you will learn more that way.Anyway, it sounds like you are well beyond that total newbie beginner stage already. Once you get the basic FreeBSD up and running, it would be a good idea to CVSUP to the very latest so you have any possible security fixes and also do that for the ports and build/install the world. It is covered in the handbook and there are also several web pages out there with step-by-step descriptions of how to do it. Then head to /usr/ports and install whatever third party things you want to have.Build pretty much everything from ports, except maybe openoffice which is so huge to build. For that you might prefer to go get one of the premade binary packages for FreeBSD and do a pkg_add of that. So, just do it, jerry you are welcome -- Mike Of course, you might discount this possibility, but remember that one in a million chances happen 99% of the time. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie--new install on Core 2 Duo?
This question come sup so often, I believe FreeBSD should do this by default, install the proper kernel unless something different is selected by the user. they will detect your cpus and will install the right kernel to use both cpus Brian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie--new install on Core 2 Duo?
On Tuesday February 13, 2007 at 01:42:23 (PM) pete wright wrote: how would you define correct? have all systems boot with a SMP kernel by default so that machines with multiple processors automatically detect all available CPU's? then what about all the users that are using uni-proc systems? i think the current state of building a system w/o SMP enabled is great. it's not that hard to do a: cd /usr/src make buildkernel KERNCONF=SMP make installkernel KERNCONF=SMP reboot this is all covered in the FreeBSD handbook, which all new admin's/users should be reading and following closely anyway ;) It is also a hugh waste of time. Doing the initial system installation, there should be an option at the very least to enable SMP. Installing a system, then having to rebuilt and and reinstall it again if counter productive. The market is moving toward multiple CPUs. The FBSD installation routine should embrace that reality and afford it the proper consideration that it deserves. -- Gerard I choose to ignore, of course, the fact that self-Googling is perhaps the most narcissistic thing a person can do that doesn't involve actually humping a mirror. Dan Kois ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie--new install on Core 2 Duo?
Gerard writes: It is also a hugh waste of time. Doing the initial system installation, there should be an option at the very least to enable SMP. Installing a system, then having to rebuilt and and reinstall it again if counter productive. The market is moving toward multiple CPUs. The FBSD installation routine should embrace that reality and afford it the proper consideration that it deserves. There are a lot of things the system installation process should do. (See regular and often ... vigorous ... discussions in various archives.) When you submit the PR containing the necessary patches. will you please cc: the list? :-) The more I hear on this, the more I become convinced less is more; a liner increase in number of choices usually results in an exponential increase in complexity (and corresponding failure modes). What I could see is a post-install configuration advisor - something that carefully probes the hardware, asks questions about intended usage, and builds a sample kernel config. It wouldn't fix disk partitioning issues, but it might pick up a lot of other problems. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie--new install on Core 2 Duo?
It is also a hugh waste of time. Doing the initial system installation, there should be an option at the very least to enable SMP. Installing a system, then having to rebuilt and and reinstall it again if counter productive. The market is moving toward multiple CPUs. The FBSD installation routine should embrace that reality and afford it the proper consideration that it deserves. All I'm saying is that we see several emails here asking which build to use, the question of smp comes up along with amd64 vs i386 vs ia64. How many more wonder but don't ask? It'd be glorious for the install routine to make this easier on the user. New users are not experts. Brian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie--new install on Core 2 Duo?
On 2/13/07, Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday February 13, 2007 at 01:42:23 (PM) pete wright wrote: how would you define correct? have all systems boot with a SMP kernel by default so that machines with multiple processors automatically detect all available CPU's? then what about all the users that are using uni-proc systems? i think the current state of building a system w/o SMP enabled is great. it's not that hard to do a: cd /usr/src make buildkernel KERNCONF=SMP make installkernel KERNCONF=SMP reboot this is all covered in the FreeBSD handbook, which all new admin's/users should be reading and following closely anyway ;) It is also a hugh waste of time. Doing the initial system installation, there should be an option at the very least to enable SMP. Installing a system, then having to rebuilt and and reinstall it again if counter productive. The market is moving toward multiple CPUs. The FBSD installation routine should embrace that reality and afford it the proper consideration that it deserves. hmm...didn't realize that not loading a SMP kernel by default would turn people away from running FreeBSD. building a kernel is much different from reinstalling a system though... OT, but - I know a fair amount of locations will have a custom kernel, and most large sites will script sysinstall to load a custom kernel as well. yet, for junior admins maybe a boot time option allow one to load a SMP kernel during the install phase (which would also be the kernel the system boot's from after installation) may be helpfull. There are currently options to disable ACPI (granted that's a .ko) but perhaps there is precedent to do this. anyway, sounds like a good PR :) -pete -- ~~o0OO0o~~ Pete Wright www.nycbug.org NYC's *BSD User Group ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie--new install on Core 2 Duo?
On 2007/02/13 11:02, Brian seems to have typed: the question of smp comes up along with amd64 vs i386 vs ia64. This is documented in the hardware notes though: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.2R/hardware-i386.html http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.2R/hardware-amd64.html http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.2R/hardware-ia64.html See Section 2 in each of those documents. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie--new install on Core 2 Duo?
On 2/13/07, Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is also a hugh waste of time. Doing the initial system installation, there should be an option at the very least to enable SMP. Installing a system, then having to rebuilt and and reinstall it again if counter productive. The market is moving toward multiple CPUs. The FBSD installation routine should embrace that reality and afford it the proper consideration that it deserves. All I'm saying is that we see several emails here asking which build to use, the question of smp comes up along with amd64 vs i386 vs ia64. How many more wonder but don't ask? It'd be glorious for the install routine to make this easier on the user. New users are not experts. Brian I agree with you here, the current installer isn't the best for newbie users. It should be more friendly so FreeBSD will gain more users. Why shall you do the double job by installing the FreeBSD, then reinstall it after adding SMP option to kernel? Couldn't we get FreeBSD to install the right kernel based on the number of the cpu(s) in the system? FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT GENERIC kernel has options SMP by default, so how this will imapct servers/pcs/laptops with single CPU? FreeSBIE is able to run the second cpu and launch it as well, so I don't know how hard is this, PCBSD installs the right kernel if you have more than 1 cpu. How many newbie users can buildworld, customize and build a new kernel? I would advice newbies to use PCBSD or DesktopBSD, so they can learn more about FreeBSD, since they will be able to use the internet and read the docs online from their laptop, or pc, instead of getting another pc beside them to read and apply things in the console. This is the way how I got to know how to make buildworld, and make install kernel, while I'm reading from the same laptop. So now, I'm able to to install FreeBSD, and KDE from the scratch, because I started with PCBSD beside DesktopBSD, and reading online and trying things out without having another pc beside me, or read man pages in the console without colors, learning more about FreeBSD while you are online is the easier way to go IMHO. -- Regards, -Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri Arab Portal http://www.WeArab.Net/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Newbie--new install on Core 2 Duo?
Ive never installed FreeBSD by myself, its always been installed for me by someone. But im planning on getting a new laptop soon, thinking of the ThinkPad T60, which now has a Intel Core 2 Due processor. What do i need to do to make sure i'm getting the use of both cores? I read through the Handbook on Installation and it doesnt say anything about this. Thanks. Any other thoughts welcome! Im a little nervous about this, but the T60 seems to be well supported. Jen - Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie--new install on Core 2 Duo?
Create a custom kernel with SMP enabled. -Derek At 11:35 AM 2/12/2007, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum wrote: Ive never installed FreeBSD by myself, its always been installed for me by someone. But im planning on getting a new laptop soon, thinking of the ThinkPad T60, which now has a Intel Core 2 Due processor. What do i need to do to make sure i'm getting the use of both cores? I read through the Handbook on Installation and it doesnt say anything about this. Thanks. Any other thoughts welcome! Im a little nervous about this, but the T60 seems to be well supported. Jen - Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie--new install on Core 2 Duo?
On 2/12/07, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ive never installed FreeBSD by myself, its always been installed for me by someone. But im planning on getting a new laptop soon, thinking of the ThinkPad T60, which now has a Intel Core 2 Due processor. What do i need to do to make sure i'm getting the use of both cores? I read through the Handbook on Installation and it doesnt say anything about this. Thanks. Any other thoughts welcome! Im a little nervous about this, but the T60 seems to be well supported. Jen The best approach to learn more about FreeBSD in my opinion is to install PCBSD 1.3.01 which is based on FreeBSD 6.1 or DesktopBSD 1.6-RC1 which is FreeBSD 6.2 , they will detect your cpus and will install the right kernel to use both cpus beside complete ready FreeBSD with KDE desktop in your thinkpad notebook. http://www.pcbsd.org/?p=download http://desktopbsd.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=940postdays=0postorder=ascstart=60 -- Regards, -Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri Arab Portal http://www.WeArab.Net/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
