Re: No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7?

2007-08-09 Thread Peter Boosten
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Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote:
 
 Philip M. Gollucci wrote:
 

 It might be nice to have freebsd-update update this portion of the
 kernel even if thats the only part thats updated.
 

What me bugs most is that if you do make installworld, freebsd-update
still wants to update everything.

  By the way, is there some way I can verify that my system has been
 patched for the newer updates? (Just so that I get the nagging feeling
 off my head that something's not alright). Some way I can check the
 named executable for instance to see its the latest ...?
 

That indeed would be nice.

Peter
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Re: No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7?

2007-08-09 Thread Rakhesh Sasidharan



What me bugs most is that if you do make installworld, freebsd-update
still wants to update everything.


Oh, why does it do that? freebsd-update maintains a separate database or 
something of what's to be updated and not?


Regards,
Rakhesh
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Re: No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7?

2007-08-09 Thread Peter Boosten
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Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote:
 
 What me bugs most is that if you do make installworld, freebsd-update
 still wants to update everything.
 
 Oh, why does it do that? freebsd-update maintains a separate database or
 something of what's to be updated and not?
 

Yup, probably.
Also (I think) there's no synchronisation between freebsd-update and
options you set in /etc/make.conf (again, I'm not sure about this, but I
do not want to try).

For instance: in my make.conf is NO_BIND=true, because I upgraded to
bind 9 long time ago and update it from ISC source. The latest patches
however wanted to overwrite my named.

Enough wining however: freebsd rocks :-)

Peter
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Re: No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7?

2007-08-09 Thread Rakhesh Sasidharan


Peter Boosten wrote:


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Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote:



What me bugs most is that if you do make installworld, freebsd-update
still wants to update everything.


Oh, why does it do that? freebsd-update maintains a separate database or
something of what's to be updated and not?



Yup, probably.
Also (I think) there's no synchronisation between freebsd-update and
options you set in /etc/make.conf (again, I'm not sure about this, but I
do not want to try).

For instance: in my make.conf is NO_BIND=true, because I upgraded to
bind 9 long time ago and update it from ISC source. The latest patches
however wanted to overwrite my named.

Enough wining however: freebsd rocks :-)


Touche! FreeBSD rocks! :)

freebsd-update does binary updates. I guess that's why it doesn't honour 
the options in make.conf?


But what you say is a point nevertheless. If I were to use the newer 
version of BIND from ports (for instance), then freebsd-update would end 
up replacing it ... hmm, not nice. Maybe there's some way to ignore 
certain stuff through freebsd-update.conf(5)? The IgnorePaths setting 
seems an option where one can set paths to be ignore ... I suppose that 
can be used in such a situation? (Any examples anyone?)


Regards,
Rakhesh
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No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7?

2007-08-08 Thread Rakhesh Sasidharan

Hi,

I had asked this question a few days earlier in another thread. Didn't get 
any replies, so asking it again in a post of its own.


My FreeBSD 6.2 system is currently on 6.2-RELEASE-p4. I use 
freebsd-update to keep my system up-to-date and I've noticed that 
offlate there doesn't seem to be any updates to my system. Here's the 
update of a ''freebsd-update fetch'' on my system for instance:


$ freebsd-update fetch
Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 1 mirrors found.
Fetching metadata signature from update1.FreeBSD.org... done.
Fetching metadata index... done.
Inspecting system... done.
Preparing to download files... done.

No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7.

$ uname -a
FreeBSD asterix 6.2-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p4 #0: Thu Apr 26 17:40:53
UTC 2007[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386

Is that normal? I mean, there obviously seems to be a 6.2-RELEASE-p7 but 
then why isn't my system getting updated to that? Is it coz I am not using 
the parts that are affected by the patches to 6.2-RELEASE-p7? Or have I 
misconfigured something?


TIA,
Rakhesh
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Re: No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7?

2007-08-08 Thread Chuck Swiger

On Aug 8, 2007, at 11:33 AM, Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote:

No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7.

$ uname -a
FreeBSD asterix 6.2-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p4 #0: Thu Apr  
26 17:40:53
UTC 2007[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ 
GENERIC i386


Is that normal? I mean, there obviously seems to be a 6.2-RELEASE- 
p7 but then why isn't my system getting updated to that? Is it coz  
I am not using the parts that are affected by the patches to 6.2- 
RELEASE-p7? Or have I misconfigured something?


Not all security patches involve updating the kernel.  The recent  
ones have involved changes to BIND and the symlink attack starting up  
jails, and thus they do not result in the version printed by your  
kernel in dmesg or via uname changing.


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Re: No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7?

2007-08-08 Thread Roland Smith
On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 10:33:38PM +0400, Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote:

 $ freebsd-update fetch
 Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 1 mirrors found.
 Fetching metadata signature from update1.FreeBSD.org... done.
 Fetching metadata index... done.
 Inspecting system... done.
 Preparing to download files... done.
 
 No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7.
 
 $ uname -a
 FreeBSD asterix 6.2-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p4 #0: Thu Apr 26 
 17:40:53
 UTC 2007[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC 
 i386
 
 Is that normal?

Yes.

The updates coming after 4 did not effect the kernel (which holds the
release number string), just some userland programs.

So the userland programs have been updated, but that hasn't changed the
version string in the kernel. If you rebuild the kernel, install it and
reboot you'll see -p7.

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Re: No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7?

2007-08-08 Thread Rakhesh Sasidharan



Chuck Swiger wrote:

Not all security patches involve updating the kernel.  The recent ones have 
involved changes to BIND and the symlink attack starting up jails, and thus 
they do not result in the version printed by your kernel in dmesg or via 
uname changing.


I see. Thanks. Didn't realize that only when the kernel gets updated does 
the suffix change to -p7. I was under the impression that all updates 
change the kernel string to -p7 just to show that there's been some 
updates.


Thanks again.

Regards,
Rakhesh
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Re: No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7?

2007-08-08 Thread Philip M. Gollucci
Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote:
 
 Chuck Swiger wrote:
 
 Not all security patches involve updating the kernel.  The recent ones have
 involved changes to BIND and the symlink attack starting up jails, and thus
 they do not result in the version printed by your kernel in dmesg or via
 uname changing.
 
 I see. Thanks. Didn't realize that only when the kernel gets updated does
 the suffix change to -p7. I was under the impression that all updates
 change the kernel string to -p7 just to show that there's been some
 updates.
That actually sounds like a bad thing IMHO.  Because not -p4 is not -p4
-p4 = -p7 but for others it might =-p5 depending on the last time they
updated.

It might be nice to have freebsd-update update this portion of the
kernel even if thats the only part thats updated.



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Re: No updates needed to update system to 6.2-RELEASE-p7?

2007-08-08 Thread Rakhesh Sasidharan


Philip M. Gollucci wrote:


I see. Thanks. Didn't realize that only when the kernel gets updated does
the suffix change to -p7. I was under the impression that all updates
change the kernel string to -p7 just to show that there's been some
updates.

That actually sounds like a bad thing IMHO.  Because not -p4 is not -p4
-p4 = -p7 but for others it might =-p5 depending on the last time they
updated.

It might be nice to have freebsd-update update this portion of the
kernel even if thats the only part thats updated.


I second that. Was confusing to me atleast, and I kept wondering all this 
file if something was wrong with my setup. Would be nice if the kernel was 
given a version bump to -p7 or whatever. Maybe its not possible for other 
practical reasons, in which perhaps the man page could mention this fact?


By the way, is there some way I can verify that my system has been patched 
for the newer updates? (Just so that I get the nagging feeling off my head 
that something's not alright). Some way I can check the named executable 
for instance to see its the latest ...?


Thanks,
Rakhesh

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