RE: Media streaming
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 00:14:09 +0100 From: Graeme Dargie a...@tangerine-army.co.uk Subject: RE: Media streaming To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 01fb8f39bad0bd49a6d0da8f7897392904f...@mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In your first message you said that The Sony TV was DTLA compliant. Because you specifically mentioned it, I assumed you knew what that meant. Your streaming server *will not* be DTLA compliant unless you are running Windows media center edition or something. I did not want to bring it up, because there was no evidence that your problem was DRM related. SNIP! Okies well so far I have tried mediatomb, the TV sees the server but gives the same message as with ushare this server does not support be useful if it said what it didn't support but there we go. I will look at The server does not support Digital Transmission Content Protection: http://www.dtcp.com/ Overview presentation: http://www.dtcp.com/documents/dtcp/DTCP_Overview.pdf In essence, you are supposed to encrypt the video stream lest you copy it. I am a little surprised the TV would refuse to work with an unencrypted stream, which is why I did not respond to your first post. Regards, James Phillips ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Media streaming
From: Adam Vande More [mailto:amvandem...@gmail.com] Sent: 28 May 2010 01:25 To: Graeme Dargie Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Media streaming On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Graeme Dargie a...@tangerine-army.co.uk wrote: Okies well so far I have tried mediatomb, the TV sees the server but gives the same message as with ushare this server does not support be useful if it said what it didn't support but there we go. I've used mediatomb fairly regularly. I stream to my ps3 and it works quite well but it is quite picky about format of the video. Check to make sure yours meets the specs. I don't know of anything that does transcoding on-demand if I understand your desires correctly. The video must be in the correct format to be streamed. Finding the correct format required trial and error and a lot of time. I suggest splitting off like 30 secs of a file and getting that work. After that, you can re-encode the files you want streamed. -- Adam Vande More Hi Adam, I can happily stream to my xbox 360 via ushare it seems to be fine with xvid and divx encoded avi`s. My Sony Television on the other hand supports only mpeg2, avchd I did re-encode 1 file to mpeg2 and it plays fine but not via BSD only via win 7 and wmp12 but that really is not a viable option for me as I have 640gb of media files that would require this treatment. The TV streams ok via win 7 and wmp12 that would have been acceptable solution if it were not for two major niggles with that solution, it will not play a file to the TV that does not reside on the local system, all of my media is on a ZFS raidz pool on FreeBSD 8.0 and I have to use the PC to start the playing of the file. I have also tried mezzamo on win 7 which is only a trial, on the limited testing I have tried it has a nasty habit of just stopping streaming, sometimes it takes 3 or 4 goes to get a file to play through, but at least that one lets me select via the television. I will keep hunting, there will be a solution somewhere . Regards Graeme ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Media streaming
-Original Message- From: James Phillips [mailto:anti_spam...@yahoo.ca] Sent: 28 May 2010 18:23 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Media streaming Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 00:14:09 +0100 From: Graeme Dargie a...@tangerine-army.co.uk Subject: RE: Media streaming To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 01fb8f39bad0bd49a6d0da8f7897392904f...@mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In your first message you said that The Sony TV was DTLA compliant. Because you specifically mentioned it, I assumed you knew what that meant. Your streaming server *will not* be DTLA compliant unless you are running Windows media center edition or something. I did not want to bring it up, because there was no evidence that your problem was DRM related. SNIP! Okies well so far I have tried mediatomb, the TV sees the server but gives the same message as with ushare this server does not support be useful if it said what it didn't support but there we go. I will look at The server does not support Digital Transmission Content Protection: http://www.dtcp.com/ Overview presentation: http://www.dtcp.com/documents/dtcp/DTCP_Overview.pdf In essence, you are supposed to encrypt the video stream lest you copy it. I am a little surprised the TV would refuse to work with an unencrypted stream, which is why I did not respond to your first post. Regards, James Phillips Hi James I said the TV was DLNA compliant, those links at the brief look I had appears to be the sort of encryption you would see on a HD signal via HDMI that would prevent you say recording HD content to your PVR device and then playing it back to a blu-ray recorder and recording it to disc. I had done a fair bit of googling on this before posting to the list, it seems Sonys' implementation of DLNA is a bit loose shall we say, I have seen a lot of people having issues with DLNA complaint NAS devices not working with Sony TV`s. As I have stated in a previous post it does work with wmp12, but it is not elegant or the solution I want for the reasons I stated earlier. Regards Graeme ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Media streaming
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 18:40:14 +0100 From: Graeme Dargie a...@tangerine-army.co.uk Subject: RE: Media streaming To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 01fb8f39bad0bd49a6d0da8f7897392904f...@mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 -Original Message- From: James Phillips [mailto:anti_spam...@yahoo.ca] Sent: 28 May 2010 18:23 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Media streaming Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 00:14:09 +0100 From: Graeme Dargie a...@tangerine-army.co.uk Subject: RE: Media streaming To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 01fb8f39bad0bd49a6d0da8f7897392904f...@mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry, DRM is an alphabet soup of Standards and industry consortia. I was unaware of DLNA and read it as: DTLA. However, if you look at the Overview and Vision White Paper, you will see that DTCP/IP (administered by DTLA) is required for the link layer of DLNA: http://www.dlna.org/about_us/roadmap/DLNA_Whitepaper.pdf - page 4, Table 1 The Wikipedia page lists some software that may or may not work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Living_Network_Alliance SNIP! The server does not support Digital Transmission Content Protection: http://www.dtcp.com/ Overview presentation: http://www.dtcp.com/documents/dtcp/DTCP_Overview.pdf In essence, you are supposed to encrypt the video stream lest you copy it. I am a little surprised the TV would refuse to work with an unencrypted stream, which is why I did not respond to your first post. Regards, James Phillips Hi James I said the TV was DLNA compliant, those links at the brief look I had appears to be the sort of encryption you would see on a HD signal via HDMI that would prevent you say recording HD content to your PVR device and then playing it back to a blu-ray recorder and recording it to disc. I had I get the impression that DTCP is an umbrella DRM standard that that allows the other DRM standards to inter-operate. DTCP is administered by the Digital Transmission Licensing Administrator: a consortium of five companies including Hitachi, Intel, Panasonic, Sony, and Toshiba. HDMI uses another scheme called High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP) for encrypting the video. http://www.digital-cp.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content_Protection DTCP will likely intervene in the step where you move the video from the PVR to the Blu-ray recorder. When it comes time to record the information on the disk, a third scheme comes into play: Advanced Access Content System (AACS) http://www.aacsla.com/home http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Access_Content_System The Wikipedia page appears to be more readable. done a fair bit of googling on this before posting to the list, it seems Sonys' implementation of DLNA is a bit loose shall we say, I have seen a lot of people having issues with DLNA complaint NAS devices not working with Sony TV`s. As I have stated in a previous post it does work with wmp12, but it is not elegant or the solution I want for the reasons I stated earlier. I would expect wmp12 to work because Windows Vista and 7 implement DTCP, and Microsoft is listed as one of the sponsors of DLNA. Regards, James Phillips PS: my brain hurts reading that too :( Regards Graeme ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Media streaming
-Original Message- From: Carl Chave [mailto:c...@chave.us] Sent: 27 May 2010 00:48 To: Graeme Dargie Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Media streaming Graeme, No answer from me unfortunately, but, possibly mediatomb? I had a question for you about ushare though - I use it to use it with my SMCWAA-G media players and it came the closest to operating like I wanted, BUT, I wasn't never able to stream audio to more than one player at a time. I never figured out if it was a ushare problem or something else. Are you able to stream to more than one device at a time? I cant say I have ever tried, but I will give it a try and let you know. Regards Graeme ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Media streaming
... So I am search of a media server that can transcode from native format to MPEG2 on the fly that does not require a GUI. I'm experimenting with FreeNAS (FreeBSD? NanoBSD?), which uses Fuppes (Free uPnP Entertainment Services) for on-the-fly transcoding (I'm streaming to a plasma tv from the FreeNAS box via an Xbox 360). It runs headless, although there's a webgui for configuration (FreeNAS and Fupples). Just mentioning in case any of the technology could be applied to your situation. Dale ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Media streaming
Sorry, yes I'm using Fuppes on FreeNAS now. FreeNAS was using Mediatomb on previous releases which I also used. On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Dale Scott dalesc...@shaw.ca wrote: ... So I am search of a media server that can transcode from native format to MPEG2 on the fly that does not require a GUI. I'm experimenting with FreeNAS (FreeBSD? NanoBSD?), which uses Fuppes (Free uPnP Entertainment Services) for on-the-fly transcoding (I'm streaming to a plasma tv from the FreeNAS box via an Xbox 360). It runs headless, although there's a webgui for configuration (FreeNAS and Fupples). Just mentioning in case any of the technology could be applied to your situation. Dale ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Media streaming
-Original Message- From: Dale Scott [mailto:dalesc...@shaw.ca] Sent: 27 May 2010 20:23 To: Graeme Dargie; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Media streaming ... So I am search of a media server that can transcode from native format to MPEG2 on the fly that does not require a GUI. I'm experimenting with FreeNAS (FreeBSD? NanoBSD?), which uses Fuppes (Free uPnP Entertainment Services) for on-the-fly transcoding (I'm streaming to a plasma tv from the FreeNAS box via an Xbox 360). It runs headless, although there's a webgui for configuration (FreeNAS and Fupples). Just mentioning in case any of the technology could be applied to your situation. Dale Okies well so far I have tried mediatomb, the TV sees the server but gives the same message as with ushare this server does not support be useful if it said what it didn't support but there we go. I will look at Fuppes tomorrow. As for ushare and multiple streams Carl, I played something on the xbox360 upstairs then tried the Philips streamium downstairs, it could not see the media server at all, was that what you were getting ? I will test it again tomorrow as this streamium bit of kit is quite old and fairly flakey in its operation. Regards Graeme ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Media streaming
As for ushare and multiple streams Carl, I played something on the xbox360 upstairs then tried the Philips streamium downstairs, it could not see the media server at all, was that what you were getting ? I will test it again tomorrow as this streamium bit of kit is quite old and fairly flakey in its operation. Thanks for testing Graeme. It's been probably two years now since I last used ushare, but, it was the easiest and most reliable of the bunch for doing what I wanted, which was just to browse my directory structure - none of the annoying automatic categorization and cluttered menus. The fatal flaw was not being able to stream to two players at once (not talking about synchronizing here, just different streams to multiple players). I can't remember exactly what happened though either the second player would error out when attempting to start a track or it just didn't see the server as you described. Maddening and I never had the opportunity to ask anyone to test it to see if it was my specific setup or what... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Media streaming
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Graeme Dargie a...@tangerine-army.co.ukwrote: Okies well so far I have tried mediatomb, the TV sees the server but gives the same message as with ushare this server does not support be useful if it said what it didn't support but there we go. I've used mediatomb fairly regularly. I stream to my ps3 and it works quite well but it is quite picky about format of the video. Check to make sure yours meets the specs. I don't know of anything that does transcoding on-demand if I understand your desires correctly. The video must be in the correct format to be streamed. Finding the correct format required trial and error and a lot of time. I suggest splitting off like 30 secs of a file and getting that work. After that, you can re-encode the files you want streamed. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Media streaming
Graeme, No answer from me unfortunately, but, possibly mediatomb? I had a question for you about ushare though - I use it to use it with my SMCWAA-G media players and it came the closest to operating like I wanted, BUT, I wasn't never able to stream audio to more than one player at a time. I never figured out if it was a ushare problem or something else. Are you able to stream to more than one device at a time? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
