Re: FreeBSD installer (was Re: Newbie Experience #2)

2006-09-11 Thread Jud 

On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:26:33 +0200, Jonathan McKeown
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 On Monday 11 September 2006 15:56, Jud wrote:
  everyone who uses FreeBSD knows that a better (meaning,
  at least to many folks, more simplified and graphical)
  installer would be nice  
 
 Perhaps as an option. The problem is that you need to install a graphical 
 environment to run a graphical installer. Simplicity means different
 things 
 to different people, too.
[snip]
 Now the only time my servers get a screen/keyboard connected is to
 configure 
 the BIOS when they are first unpacked. Otherwise the basic install is
 done 
 from the serial boot CD with my laptop as a serial terminal, up to the
 point 
 where I can ssh to the box and start customising, adding packages etc.
 From 
 my point of view it doesn't get simpler than that.

Yes, I meant at least to many folks literally - there are many people
for whom a graphical installer would be overcomplication.  I personally
like the The BSD Installer URL: http://www.bsdinstaller.org/; it
just happens to suit the way I install a system in that it makes
available most of what I tweak and I don't use most of what it hides.  I
wish the Summer of Code project to adapt it for FreeBSD installation
(URL: http://wikitest.freebsd.org/BSDInstaller were more alive than it
appears to be.

Jud
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Re: FreeBSD installer (was Re: Newbie Experience #2)

2006-09-11 Thread Norberto Meijome 
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:26:33 +0200
Jonathan McKeown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Monday 11 September 2006 15:56, Jud wrote:
  everyone who uses FreeBSD knows that a better (meaning,
  at least to many folks, more simplified and graphical)
  installer would be nice  
 
 Perhaps as an option. The problem is that you need to install a graphical 
 environment to run a graphical installer. Simplicity means different things 
 to different people, too.

absolutely. but you don't need to install anything to run a graphical
installer. And, ideally, you wouldn't be forced to have only the graphical
installer option, you'd still be able to use the good old ncurses or hack your
own -serial one :)

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Re: FreeBSD installer (was Re: Newbie Experience #2)

2006-09-11 Thread Norberto Meijome 
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:51:28 +0200
Alex de Kruijff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  absolutely. but you don't need to install anything to run a graphical
  installer. And, ideally, you wouldn't be forced to have only the graphical
  installer option, you'd still be able to use the good old ncurses or hack
  your own -serial one :)
 
 But then two versions of a installer have to be maintained, meaning more
 work. Everyone can use the ncurses version. Its seems to me that the
 time it takes to make a second version could better go in to other
 parts of FreeBSD.

not if both read the same config and display it in a different manner, very
much like the Linux kernel's make config / menuconfig / xconfig

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