Re: Thank You and Mc OS games
On 9/13/06, felix.schalck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello in there, I'm kind of complicated person, so finding o good OS was really a pity for me. I googled around a lot, installed a lot and often get disappointed... until I discovered FreeBSD. Folks, this OS ist simply great because it is CLEAR. Clear Structure, clear Doc, clear Policy. But all the guys on this mailing list probably already know this... Now, i have one simple question related to this: where and whom can I tell THANK YOU ? GOOD WORK ? For providing such a great OS. There are many places, but I'm sure you've been heard already. Thanks for your kind words. Secondly: being myself an ex-gamer, I'm wondering if it is possible to run Mac OS games under FreeBSD. I found no solution on google, so probably there is some reason which cause it NOT working. Could someone just explain me what it this reason ? Unfortunately, Mac OS games just don't run on anything but Mac OS itself. Many Linux games and some windows ones run flawlessly on FreeBSD, though, with no or subtle performance penalties. On the other hand, you might have heard that Mac OS X is based on FreeBSD. They removed all the clear things you were talking about, slipstreamed a clear-looking GUI and put a price tag on it. The result is a pretty good desktop OS (for a commercial one that is). You might want to try it out. Take care! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thank You and Mc OS games
On Sep 13, 2006, at 1:25 PM, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote: Unfortunately, Mac OS games just don't run on anything but Mac OS itself. Many Linux games and some windows ones run flawlessly on FreeBSD, though, with no or subtle performance penalties. For commercial game software, Andrew is certainly right that one it more likely to be able to run Linux versions. However, something like BZFlag runs on both MacOS X and FreeBSD, as do almost all of the Roguelike games (URogue, NetHack, Moria, Angband), and many other Open Source games. Felix, try looking under /usr/ports/games On the other hand, you might have heard that Mac OS X is based on FreeBSD. They removed all the clear things you were talking about, slipstreamed a clear-looking GUI and put a price tag on it. At the time MacOS X was first released, the majority of CVS tags in the kernel and library trees came from NetBSD, with FreeBSD being the second most common. At the present time, from http:// developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2002/tn2071.html: Evolution of Mac OS X Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD): Part of the history of Mac OS X goes back to Berkeley Software Distributions (BSD) UNIX of the early seventies. Specifically, Mac OS X is based in part on BSD 4.4 Lite. On a system level, many of the design decisions are made to align with BSD-style UNIX systems. Most libraries and utilities are from FreeBSD, but some are derived from NetBSD. For future development, Mac OS X has adopted FreeBSD as a reference code base for BSD technology. Work is ongoing to synchronize all BSD tools and libraries more closely with the FreeBSD-stable branch. Mach: Although Mac OS X must credit BSD for most of the underlying levels of the operating system, Mac OS X also owes a major debt to Mach. The kernel is heavily influenced in its design philosophy by Carnegie Mellon's Mach project. The kernel is not a pure micro- kernel implementation, since the address space is shared with the BSD portion of the kernel and the I/O Kit. -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thank You and Mc OS games
Evolution of Mac OS X Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD): Part of the history of Mac OS X goes back to Berkeley Software Distributions (BSD) UNIX of the early seventies. Specifically, Mac OS X is based in part on BSD 4.4 Lite. On a system level, many of the design decisions are made to align with BSD-style UNIX systems. Most libraries and utilities are from FreeBSD, but some are derived from NetBSD. For future development, Mac OS X has adopted FreeBSD as a reference code base for BSD technology. Work is ongoing to synchronize all BSD tools and libraries more closely with the FreeBSD-stable branch. Thanks for your details, Do you think the interest that mac developpers pay on freebsd-stable is a good thing for FreeBSD ? I mean: for further developpement and general supporting of the OS ? regards, Felix ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thank You and Mc OS games
On Sep 13, 2006, at 2:16 PM, felix.schalck wrote: Do you think the interest that mac developpers pay on freebsd- stable is a good thing for FreeBSD ? I mean: for further developpement and general supporting of the OS ? Sure. But the effect is better observed by noticing which parts of one system are actually committed to the CVS (SVN, etc) repositories of another. -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thank You and Mc OS games
On 13 September 2006, at 15:25, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote: On the other hand, you might have heard that Mac OS X is based on FreeBSD. Although it is based on BSD, I don't think it's FreeBSD it was based on. I think it goes all the way back to 4.2BSD. Or something. They removed all the clear things you were talking about, slipstreamed a clear-looking GUI and put a price tag on it. The result is a pretty good desktop OS (for a commercial one that is). You might want to try it out. Take care! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- hackmiester (Hunter Fuller) svinx yknow when you go to a party, and everyones hooked up except one guy and one girl svinx and so they look at each other like.. do we have to? svinx intel nvidia must be lookin at each other like that right now Phone Voice: +1 251 589 6348 Fax: Call the voice number and ask. Email General chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Large attachments: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPS-related stuff: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IM AIM: hackmiester1337 Skype: hackmiester31337 YIM: hackm1ester Gtalk: hackmiester MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Xfire: hackmiester ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thank You and Mc OS games
On Sep 13, 2006, at 10:11 PM, felix.schalck wrote: Hello in there, I'm kind of complicated person, so finding o good OS was really a pity for me. I googled around a lot, installed a lot and often get disappointed... until I discovered FreeBSD. Folks, this OS ist simply great because it is CLEAR. Clear Structure, clear Doc, clear Policy. But all the guys on this mailing list probably already know this... Now, i have one simple question related to this: where and whom can I tell THANK YOU ? GOOD WORK ? For providing such a great OS. Secondly: beeing miself an ex-gamer, I'm wondering if it is possible to run Mac OS games under FreeBSD. I found no solution on google, so probably there is some reason which cause it NOT working. Could someone just explain me what it this reason ? Thanks a lot, Felix Unfortunately this isn't really possible as a lot of games (I'm almost positive) have been ported to Cocoa, which is a proprietary UI only in use with Mac OSX. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thank You and Mc OS games
On Sep 14, 2006, at 6:33 AM, hackmiester (Hunter Fuller) wrote: On 13 September 2006, at 15:25, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote: On the other hand, you might have heard that Mac OS X is based on FreeBSD. Although it is based on BSD, I don't think it's FreeBSD it was based on. I think it goes all the way back to 4.2BSD. Or something. They removed all the clear things you were talking about, slipstreamed a clear-looking GUI and put a price tag on it. The result is a pretty good desktop OS (for a commercial one that is). You might want to try it out. Take care! -- hackmiester (Hunter Fuller) svinx yknow when you go to a party, and everyones hooked up except one guy and one girl svinx and so they look at each other like.. do we have to? svinx intel nvidia must be lookin at each other like that right now Phone Voice: +1 251 589 6348 Fax: Call the voice number and ask. Email General chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Large attachments: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPS-related stuff: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IM AIM: hackmiester1337 Skype: hackmiester31337 YIM: hackm1ester Gtalk: hackmiester MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Xfire: hackmiester Please look at Chuck's earlier post for more information as to the fact that FreeBSD is used in the Mac OSX Darwin kernel. As for how it was used, IIRC from what I've read, the Darwin kernel is a hybrid kernel made from the FreeBSD kernel and the Mach kernel from Carnegie Mellon. The Mach portion of the Darwin kernel provides a lot of the hardware support, resource management, and tie-ins (it's a micro-kernel), while the FreeBSD derived portion provides a lot of the BSD'ness for policies and the like (i.e. sockets, networking, permissions, etc). I obtained my info from an OS book and Wikipedia, if anyone's interested. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
