Re: USB Drive Reliability
On Aug 19, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Warren Block wrote: On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: I have one system (7.0) which becomes extremely unstable if I have a USB drive connected. I usually get a system crash in 10 to 30 minutes after mounting the USB drive. It has never crashed without the USB drive attached, and it has never gone for more than three days with it attached. [...] Unfortunately, the crashing system is a small form machine and there is no way to put in a different USB controller. The USB drive was for backups, which I now do over the network to the machine that is working just fine. That might indicate a cable problem, even just being too long. A line-powered hub added between a problematic USB card reader and computer fixed an unreliable situation here. Unfortunately that hasn't solved the problem. Cheers, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberghttp://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB Drive Reliability
Jason C. Wells wrote: I am running FreeBSD 6.3. I have found that attaching and detaching USB drives to my box is unreliable. Is this the experience of other users? I guess I've been lucky, because I haven't had much of a problem with various USB storage devices so far. I haven't been on FreeBSD 6.x for long, though; I went straight to 7-current a few months before 7.0 was released, then followed the 7-stable branch. The only thing that doesn't work is detaching a device (whether USB or other) while it is still mounted. This is supposed to be fixed in 8-current. (My personal impression is that 8-current is quite reliable at the moment, so if you have a spare machine it might be worth giving it a try. Be sure to subscribe to the -current mailing list so you don't miss any important heads up messages.) Another thing worth mentioning is that a new USB stack is under development by Hans Petter Selasky. I'm not sure when it will be committed to 8-current, but I think it's pretty much ready. It will certainly fix some of the problems people are seeing with the old USB stack. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd Share your knowledge. It is a way to achieve immortality. -- The Dalai Lama ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB Drive Reliability
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: I have one system (7.0) which becomes extremely unstable if I have a USB drive connected. I usually get a system crash in 10 to 30 minutes after mounting the USB drive. It has never crashed without the USB drive attached, and it has never gone for more than three days with it attached. Usually the failure is much sooner. This was with 7.0-RELEASE. I haven't checked since I've moved to 7-STABLE. I have another system (identical software, different hardware) which is solid as a rock with the identical USB drive attached. Unfortunately, the crashing system is a small form machine and there is no way to put in a different USB controller. The USB drive was for backups, which I now do over the network to the machine that is working just fine. That might indicate a cable problem, even just being too long. A line-powered hub added between a problematic USB card reader and computer fixed an unreliable situation here. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB Drive Reliability
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:36:30 -0700 Jason C. Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wojciech Puchar wrote: I am running FreeBSD 6.3. I have found that attaching and detaching USB drives to my box is unreliable. Is this the experience of other users? something more precise please? I realize that this is primarily a tech support forum. I wasn't asking for a solution to the problem. I was asking for other peoples experiences. If the USB support in FreeBSD was spotty according to other people, as has been reported, then I plan to not even try to work on it more until I install 7.1. Just for the record: - crashes the system on attachment - crashes the system on detachment - the system hangs on attachment but resumes responding if you pull the drive - installing the drive results in the little blue light coming on with dmesg reporting attachment, but attempts to mount fail with device not configured or somesuch - dataloss on the device that chkdisk in DOS couldn't save Basically, every possible bad behavior that you could ask from a USB connected drive has happened to me over time as I keep coming back and trying USB drives. That's OK. I'm not upset. I'm not complaining. I just want to know what to expect from USB drives in FreeBSD. That sounds familiar, but I guess most USB storage devices are very similar, so maybe start looking at the USB controller. I know in my case, installing a PCI USB card with _NEC_ chipset solved all my problems. Thought it worth mentioning ... Cheers, Matti ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB Drive Reliability
it is the usb chip that does not work ok... or works only with windows timings Please use an usb storage brand: Kingston... for externals usb drivers, I recomend seagate... format them with a UFS2 file system using sysinstall, place a Freebsd partition on it and format it this way you can use all the freebsd features, and your system will never hang... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB Drive Reliability
[mailed and posted] On Aug 17, 2008, at 7:36 PM, Jason C. Wells wrote: I realize that this is primarily a tech support forum. I wasn't asking for a solution to the problem. I was asking for other peoples experiences. If the USB support in FreeBSD was spotty according to other people, as has been reported, then I plan to not even try to work on it more until I install 7.1. Just for the record: - crashes the system on attachment - crashes the system on detachment - the system hangs on attachment but resumes responding if you pull the drive - installing the drive results in the little blue light coming on with dmesg reporting attachment, but attempts to mount fail with device not configured or somesuch - dataloss on the device that chkdisk in DOS couldn't save Dien dobre Jason, I have one system (7.0) which becomes extremely unstable if I have a USB drive connected. I usually get a system crash in 10 to 30 minutes after mounting the USB drive. It has never crashed without the USB drive attached, and it has never gone for more than three days with it attached. Usually the failure is much sooner. This was with 7.0- RELEASE. I haven't checked since I've moved to 7-STABLE. I have another system (identical software, different hardware) which is solid as a rock with the identical USB drive attached. Unfortunately, the crashing system is a small form machine and there is no way to put in a different USB controller. The USB drive was for backups, which I now do over the network to the machine that is working just fine. Best of luck with this. -j ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB Drive Reliability
Jason C. Wells wrote: I am running FreeBSD 6.3. I have found that attaching and detaching USB drives to my box is unreliable. Is this the experience of other users? Regards, Jason ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] What do you mean by unreliable? Please give us more details. If you unplug it while it is mounted, it will certainly result in a kernel panic. As far as FreeBSD is concerned, this is no different than opening the box and disconnecting your hard disk while it is running. Other than that, I have an external USB hard disk attached to my home server permanently. It is on all the time, it gets mounted / unmounted by scripts once or twice a day. It's been running for about two years, and never had any problem with it. I started using it with FreeBSD 6.x and is now on 7. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB Drive Reliability
I am running FreeBSD 6.3. I have found that attaching and detaching USB drives to my box is unreliable. Is this the experience of other users? something more precise please? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB Drive Reliability
Wojciech Puchar wrote: I am running FreeBSD 6.3. I have found that attaching and detaching USB drives to my box is unreliable. Is this the experience of other users? something more precise please? I realize that this is primarily a tech support forum. I wasn't asking for a solution to the problem. I was asking for other peoples experiences. If the USB support in FreeBSD was spotty according to other people, as has been reported, then I plan to not even try to work on it more until I install 7.1. Just for the record: - crashes the system on attachment - crashes the system on detachment - the system hangs on attachment but resumes responding if you pull the drive - installing the drive results in the little blue light coming on with dmesg reporting attachment, but attempts to mount fail with device not configured or somesuch - dataloss on the device that chkdisk in DOS couldn't save Basically, every possible bad behavior that you could ask from a USB connected drive has happened to me over time as I keep coming back and trying USB drives. That's OK. I'm not upset. I'm not complaining. I just want to know what to expect from USB drives in FreeBSD. BTW, I love Poland! My family hails from Poland several generations ago. I just watched you guys win gold in boat racing. Robert Kubica is my favorite driver. I've also been keeping on eye on Poland in the world scene. Don't let the bear get you down. They have no cause to say the things they've said recently. I wish your country the best. Regards, Jason ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
