Re: Recommend MTA
On Saturday 06 March 2004 09:50 pm, Michael Madden Michael Madden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which MTA is the recommended one to use on FreeBSD? I've noticed sendmail is installed by default, but my book I've been learning FreeBSD from (The Complete FreeBSD) only covers setting up postfix. Should I go ahead a learn/setup sendmail? If so, where's a good place to find a tutorial on setting it up on FreeBSD? Thanks, Michael The best MTA for you is the one you are most comfortable with, assuming it does the job you need. It may be that the one you have the best documentation for is the best one for you to use, at least until you've used it long enough to know what you don't like about it ;) Sendmail is the default for historical reasons. It's essentially the Unix standard. Postfix is quite popular, and has many supporters, and there is lots of documentation for it. I've never used it so that's about the end of my knowledge about postfix. Qmail similarly has many supporters. It is usually very confusing to someone who is used to the sendmail way of doing things, because instead of one huge configuration file with a few helper files, there are a BUNCH of configuration files. Similarly, instead of one big program that handles everything, qmail has several programs that each handle a different part of the job (which is where part of the confusion comes from: figuring out which program does the part you need to change). My personal preference is Courier (http://www.courier-mta.org). It's very similar to Qmail, but doesn't require as many patches to make it do what you want (or at least, to make it do what _I_ want). The package includes a pop/imap server and a webmail server, although they are independent modules so you don't need to install them if you only need the MTA. I've also used sendmail, Cyrus, and qmail. They all work. Whether they meet your specific needs is hard to say. One good rule of thumb is to read the documentation, and if it makes no sense to you, you might want to keep looking. - Bob ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommend MTA
Postfix is just as good, faster and free... without the quotes. search daemonnews for some good postfix articles. David Benfell wrote: On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 16:13:31 -0800, Chuck McManis wrote: Actually I'm a bit surprised that things didn't go with Qmail. Not only is it everything Postfix aspires to be, it has a zillion hours of runtime under its belt. Its been at the 1.03 release forever because there hasn't been anything to fix. If I had one complaint it would be to do an integration pass over the various pop3/imap/ssl/etc modifications to create an integrated pop3/mta that could allow for roaming delivery out of the box. First, Qmail is available via the port system. The installation does everything right. It is nice. It is painless. I run it. I wouldn't run anything else. It is what works for me. Some people, however, can't get along with Qmail's configuration. I don't know why. But I can't criticize, since I can't grok Postfix's configuration, let alone Sendmail's. But the main reason distributions don't offer Qmail as part of their standard installation, or even as an option on the installation, is because Dan Bernstein forbids the distribution of binaries or even patched sources. (The port fetches the source and then fetches any patches, separately.) He has his own license, which is not a free software license. (Irritating side question: Should this be an FAQ?) Finally, there are now some recommended patches. If you look at Life With Qmail, you'll find that the recommended installation procedure uses netqmail rather than vanilla qmail. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommend MTA
* Are you concerned about security? sendmail is a big monolithic SUID-root programs, while postfix is a set of isolated processes/programs, so postfix _may_ be a better alternative. please don't post false/outdated information. Sendmail 8.12.* is SGID to a non-privilleged user only. this was released in September 2001. 8.12.2 was included in CURRENT in February 2002. 8.12.2 was included in STABLE in March 2002. Oops, you were right: % ls -l /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail -r-xr-sr-x 1 root smmsp 587896 Mar 7 11:35 /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail Sorry. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommend MTA
On Saturday, 6 March 2004 at 20:50:11 -0600, Michael Madden wrote: Which MTA is the recommended one to use on FreeBSD? I've noticed sendmail is installed by default, but my book I've been learning FreeBSD from (The Complete FreeBSD) only covers setting up postfix. But it does say: If sendmail works for you, use it. If you have difficulties, use postfix instead. Should I go ahead a learn/setup sendmail? I don't recommend it. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Note: I discard all HTML mail unseen. Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Recommend MTA
On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 10:23:18 +1030 Greg 'groggy' Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday, 6 March 2004 at 20:50:11 -0600, Michael Madden wrote: Which MTA is the recommended one to use on FreeBSD? I've noticed sendmail is installed by default, but my book I've been learning FreeBSD from (The Complete FreeBSD) only covers setting up postfix. But it does say: If sendmail works for you, use it. If you have difficulties, use postfix instead. Should I go ahead a learn/setup sendmail? I don't recommend it. i agree, and besides that postfix rocks! :) ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommend MTA
But it does say: If sendmail works for you, use it. If you have difficulties, use postfix instead. Should I go ahead a learn/setup sendmail? I don't recommend it. Actually I'm a bit surprised that things didn't go with Qmail. Not only is it everything Postfix aspires to be, it has a zillion hours of runtime under its belt. Its been at the 1.03 release forever because there hasn't been anything to fix. If I had one complaint it would be to do an integration pass over the various pop3/imap/ssl/etc modifications to create an integrated pop3/mta that could allow for roaming delivery out of the box. --Chuck ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommend MTA
Hi Chuck, --On Sunday, March 07, 2004 04:13:31 PM -0800 Chuck McManis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I'm a bit surprised that things didn't go with Qmail. Not only is it everything Postfix aspires to be, it has a zillion hours of runtime under its belt. Its been at the 1.03 release forever because there hasn't been anything to fix. If I had one complaint it would be to do an integration pass over the various pop3/imap/ssl/etc modifications to create an integrated pop3/mta that could allow for roaming delivery out of the box. Closest thing is Bruce Guenter's relay-ctrl which is an add-on, no patching necessary.. Works great. I have it on several servers. -- Gary ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommend MTA
On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 16:13:31 -0800, Chuck McManis wrote: Actually I'm a bit surprised that things didn't go with Qmail. Not only is it everything Postfix aspires to be, it has a zillion hours of runtime under its belt. Its been at the 1.03 release forever because there hasn't been anything to fix. If I had one complaint it would be to do an integration pass over the various pop3/imap/ssl/etc modifications to create an integrated pop3/mta that could allow for roaming delivery out of the box. First, Qmail is available via the port system. The installation does everything right. It is nice. It is painless. I run it. I wouldn't run anything else. It is what works for me. Some people, however, can't get along with Qmail's configuration. I don't know why. But I can't criticize, since I can't grok Postfix's configuration, let alone Sendmail's. But the main reason distributions don't offer Qmail as part of their standard installation, or even as an option on the installation, is because Dan Bernstein forbids the distribution of binaries or even patched sources. (The port fetches the source and then fetches any patches, separately.) He has his own license, which is not a free software license. (Irritating side question: Should this be an FAQ?) Finally, there are now some recommended patches. If you look at Life With Qmail, you'll find that the recommended installation procedure uses netqmail rather than vanilla qmail. -- David Benfell, LCP [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Resume available at http://www.parts-unknown.org/resume.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommend MTA
I am surprised that no one has mentioned exim. Been using it since 97 and wouldn't use anything else. Very straight forward to configure, very powerful, and very well supported by its author and the community... I believe it is in the ports system, but I build my own so I don't know for sure... Best Chad ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Recommend MTA
Which MTA is the recommended one to use on FreeBSD? I've noticed sendmail is installed by default, but my book I've been learning FreeBSD from (The Complete FreeBSD) only covers setting up postfix. Should I go ahead a learn/setup sendmail? If so, where's a good place to find a tutorial on setting it up on FreeBSD? Thanks, Michael ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommend MTA
Which MTA is the recommended one to use on FreeBSD? I've noticed sendmail is installed by default, but my book I've been learning FreeBSD from (The Complete FreeBSD) only covers setting up postfix. Should I go ahead a learn/setup sendmail? If so, where's a good place to find a tutorial on setting it up on FreeBSD? Asking this question is likely to provoke a lot of votes a la my MTA is better than yours. ;) Here are a few questions to consider: * Are you already familiar with an MTA? If you, you may want to use it on FreeBSD too. * What does your environment look like? Are there other MTAs in use? If so, you may consider keeping a homogeneous MTA pool. * Do you need integration with third party software, like, say, Cyrus, LDAP, MySQL, spamassassin, DNSBL, etc.? Personally, I'd use postfix for this, but YMMV, and you'll get other opinions too. Most MTAs have hooks for this kind of stuff. * Are you novice w.r.t. MTA administration? Then go by an easily customizable MTA. Here again, postfix _may_ be easier to set up. * Are you concerned about security? sendmail is a big monolithic SUID-root programs, while postfix is a set of isolated processes/programs, so postfix _may_ be a better alternative. As you see, it's a difficult question, because it depends a lot upon your environment, requirements, levels of skills and personal tastes. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommend MTA
On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 08:50:11PM -0600, Michael Madden wrote: Which MTA is the recommended one to use on FreeBSD? I've noticed sendmail is installed by default, but my book I've been learning FreeBSD from (The Complete FreeBSD) only covers setting up postfix. Should I go ahead a learn/setup sendmail? If so, where's a good place to find a tutorial on setting it up on FreeBSD? Stick with what you know..postfix is excellent, and I use it on all my machines. FreeBSD.org uses it too. Kris pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
