Re: What have you done for me lately !!!
Kris Kennaway wrote: Besides, apple has and does contribute code back to FreeBSD. Kris Yes but... they took Jordan and they didn't give him back, did they? He wasn't BSD licensed, was he? They can't just do whatever they want with him. Those bastards! So phooey on Wilfredo Sanchez and his Jordan stealing antics. ::sniff:: I miss Jordan Later, Jason :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What have you done for me lately !!!
Hi, Maybe this is just a rant, But I'll vent anyway. I've been watching with some skepticism, the whole apple circus freak fanboy show ... I was just curious, does it not bother any of the BSD developers that Apple inc (TM) has based its entire business model on open source software, and yet seems to have given little if any thing back in return. I have on occasion looked at the apple web site, and never has apple even given credit to any form of BSD ! Is this all just acceptable, have I missed the whole point of open source (Give something back when you can) or have I not read the fine print. anyhow... Cheers to all the developers at Freebsd, I am an admirer of BSD and the open source community -- Joe Arcaro. Technical Manager. Splitting Image Colour Studios. There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand Binary. And those who don't... Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What have you done for me lately !!!
On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 08:06:58AM +1100, Joe Arcaro wrote: Hi, Maybe this is just a rant, But I'll vent anyway. I've been watching with some skepticism, the whole apple circus freak fanboy show ... I was just curious, does it not bother any of the BSD developers that Apple inc (TM) has based its entire business model on open source software, and yet seems to have given little if any thing back in return. I have on occasion looked at the apple web site, and never has apple even given credit to any form of BSD ! Is this all just acceptable, have I missed the whole point of open source (Give something back when you can) or have I not read the fine print. anyhow... Cheers to all the developers at Freebsd, I am an admirer of BSD and the open source community Yeah, you did miss the point. The BSD license does not require this, and we BSD developers work on BSD software because we acknowledge and even like that aspect of it: we are developing quality software that can be used for any purposes with effectively no strings attached. Besides, apple has and does contribute code back to FreeBSD. Kris pgpX23Ch6Zii4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: What have you done for me lately !!!
On Jan 16, 2007, at 11:01 AM, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 08:06:58AM +1100, Joe Arcaro wrote: Hi, Maybe this is just a rant, But I'll vent anyway. I've been watching with some skepticism, the whole apple circus freak fanboy show ... I was just curious, does it not bother any of the BSD developers that Apple inc (TM) has based its entire business model on open source software, and yet seems to have given little if any thing back in return. I have on occasion looked at the apple web site, and never has apple even given credit to any form of BSD ! Is this all just acceptable, have I missed the whole point of open source (Give something back when you can) or have I not read the fine print. anyhow... Cheers to all the developers at Freebsd, I am an admirer of BSD and the open source community Yeah, you did miss the point. The BSD license does not require this, and we BSD developers work on BSD software because we acknowledge and even like that aspect of it: we are developing quality software that can be used for any purposes with effectively no strings attached. Besides, apple has and does contribute code back to FreeBSD. Kris Regarding this, refer to the many threads in the past 3 months regarding this subject. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What have you done for me lately !!!
On Tuesday, January 16, 2007, at 09:55AM, Joe Arcaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have on occasion looked at the apple web site, and never has apple even given credit to any form of BSD ! You must have missed it: http://developer.apple.com/opensource/ *** QUOTE *** With its open-source core based on FreeBSD 5.0 and the Mach 3.0 microkernel, Mac OS X is the best Macintosh operating system ever for UNIX users. With built-in support for the X Window System, IPv6, Kerberos integration, and added POSIX, Linux, and System V API support, Mac OS X easily runs your favorite UNIX software. With a CUPS-based print and fax engine, plus a suite of command-line and Python interfaces to Apple's Quartz graphics, it is easy to develop full-featured PDF workflows. Mac OS X even automounts Macintosh, Windows, and UNIX file servers directly in the Finder. *** END QUOTE *** Its in the first sentence on their page. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What have you done for me lately !!!
On Jan 15, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Joe Arcaro wrote: Maybe this is just a rant, But I'll vent anyway. Actually, I think you've graduated beyond just ranting to full- fledged trolling. I've been watching with some skepticism, the whole apple circus freak fanboy show ... Enjoy yourself. If you ever get tired of watching Apple, for your next trick, you could try looking into a mirror. I was just curious, does it not bother any of the BSD developers that Apple inc (TM) has based its entire business model on open source software, and yet seems to have given little if any thing back in return. To your knowledge, anyway. Oddly enough, Apple employs several BSD developers (mainly in the Core OS, networking, or devtools groups), in much the same fashion that OSDL employs Linus Torvalds and companies like IBM, RedHat, Novell, Debian, and so forth employ other Linux developers. I have on occasion looked at the apple web site, and never has apple even given credit to any form of BSD ! While you could go to www.apple.com and enter BSD into the little search bar, those tricky people at Apple might fool you by returning relevant links. So instead, go try searching for Apple BSD at Google or Yahoo. The first two hits are: http://developer.apple.com/opensource/index.html http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/unix/ Oops, nevermind-- those links are relevant, too. Is this all just acceptable, have I missed the whole point of open source (Give something back when you can) or have I not read the fine print. Why yes, Apple using parts of the FreeBSD source code (and NetBSD, and OpenBSD, and even a bit of GPL'ed software from the Free Software Foundation) is acceptable. That's what the BSD license was designed to encourage and more generally is what OSI Open Source Software is supposed to be about. It's about making better software available for everyone to use. However, I'd be curious to see what software you've written under an Open Source license, if any? Of course, Joe, you don't actually have to contribute anything to other people, and you are welcome to use FreeBSD, or Apple's Darwin, or Linux without giving anything back. But it's funny how often people criticize others for not contributing anything back in return when that statement applies equally as well to the speaker... -- -Chuck PS: This email might be coming from a 17/8 IP address, but I don't speak for Apple. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What have you done for me lately !!!
It really amazes me how this FreeBSD is turning out tide in the Chinese market , which shuns W and L. The major OS that Chinese market is based on is Freebsd based. there is going to be 1.3 billion population out there going to be in FreeBSD On 1/16/07, Peter Giessel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, January 16, 2007, at 09:55AM, Joe Arcaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have on occasion looked at the apple web site, and never has apple even given credit to any form of BSD ! You must have missed it: http://developer.apple.com/opensource/ *** QUOTE *** With its open-source core based on FreeBSD 5.0 and the Mach 3.0 microkernel, Mac OS X is the best Macintosh operating system ever for UNIX users. With built-in support for the X Window System, IPv6, Kerberos integration, and added POSIX, Linux, and System V API support, Mac OS X easily runs your favorite UNIX software. With a CUPS-based print and fax engine, plus a suite of command-line and Python interfaces to Apple's Quartz graphics, it is easy to develop full-featured PDF workflows. Mac OS X even automounts Macintosh, Windows, and UNIX file servers directly in the Finder. *** END QUOTE *** Its in the first sentence on their page. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What have you done for me lately !!!
Thanks For the reply Chuck, I didn't imagine I'd get such an emotive response, But nonetheless you're right, I haven't checked the developer website, As for trolling, I am not intentionally trying to start a heated debate. I was just curious as to how much credit people think should be given to Open source development. I support a network of Macs, (30+ and counting...) And can say with some authority that of the 20+ operators on those Macs. Not one has heard of BSD ... Thanks again. Joe. Chuck Swiger wrote: On Jan 15, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Joe Arcaro wrote: Maybe this is just a rant, But I'll vent anyway. Actually, I think you've graduated beyond just ranting to full-fledged trolling. I've been watching with some skepticism, the whole apple circus freak fanboy show ... Enjoy yourself. If you ever get tired of watching Apple, for your next trick, you could try looking into a mirror. I was just curious, does it not bother any of the BSD developers that Apple inc (TM) has based its entire business model on open source software, and yet seems to have given little if any thing back in return. To your knowledge, anyway. Oddly enough, Apple employs several BSD developers (mainly in the Core OS, networking, or devtools groups), in much the same fashion that OSDL employs Linus Torvalds and companies like IBM, RedHat, Novell, Debian, and so forth employ other Linux developers. I have on occasion looked at the apple web site, and never has apple even given credit to any form of BSD ! While you could go to www.apple.com and enter BSD into the little search bar, those tricky people at Apple might fool you by returning relevant links. So instead, go try searching for Apple BSD at Google or Yahoo. The first two hits are: http://developer.apple.com/opensource/index.html http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/unix/ Oops, nevermind-- those links are relevant, too. Is this all just acceptable, have I missed the whole point of open source (Give something back when you can) or have I not read the fine print. Why yes, Apple using parts of the FreeBSD source code (and NetBSD, and OpenBSD, and even a bit of GPL'ed software from the Free Software Foundation) is acceptable. That's what the BSD license was designed to encourage and more generally is what OSI Open Source Software is supposed to be about. It's about making better software available for everyone to use. However, I'd be curious to see what software you've written under an Open Source license, if any? Of course, Joe, you don't actually have to contribute anything to other people, and you are welcome to use FreeBSD, or Apple's Darwin, or Linux without giving anything back. But it's funny how often people criticize others for not contributing anything back in return when that statement applies equally as well to the speaker... ---Chuck PS: This email might be coming from a 17/8 IP address, but I don't speak for Apple. -- Joe Arcaro. Technical Manager. Splitting Image Colour Studios. There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand Binary. And those who don't... Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What have you done
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 11:26:06AM -0800, Greg Maruszeczka wrote: come on do you want me to go to red hat. Can't speak for anyone else here but... You're speaking for me too! Read the docs. Think about it. Realise that this is a completely volunteer effort. Then we have an easy solution for your problem, dunk your head in a bucket of water three times and take it out twice. -John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What have you done
well I've been using friends for over 15 years started with the first release. Over the yeas I have loved what you people did with the os and how stable. I have also relied on the use of xwindows to get some tasks performed in a quick and easy. I currently run 4.6 and loved the kde and xwindows (XFree86). However, I now have version 4.7, 4.11, 5.4, and now 6.0 and what the sam hill have you guys done with the easy install of xwindows. xorgconfg does not show all the cards, went to install gftp used the ports but the machine ask to go to internet to get additional files. What gives, you took an easy thing and mucked it up. kde3.3 and 3.4 does not act as well as 3.0 and i cant get the resolution up over 800x600. I tried to install xfree86 as suggested in the documentation but it does the make install but it does not install all the files. come on do you want me to go to red hat. you need to clean up the release so that novice users can install and you the most powerful and stable os's that exist. thanks warren schreiner ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What have you done
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 14:05 -0500, warren schreiner wrote: well I've been using friends for over 15 years started with the first release. Over the yeas I have loved what you people did with the os and how stable. I have also relied on the use of xwindows to get some tasks performed in a quick and easy. I currently run 4.6 and loved the kde and xwindows (XFree86). However, I now have version 4.7, 4.11, 5.4, and now 6.0 and what the sam hill have you guys done with the easy install of xwindows. How is the X install hard just select it with a space-bar click? xorgconfg does not show all the cards, went to install gftp used the ports but the machine ask to go to internet to get additional files. What gives, you took an easy thing and mucked it up. kde3.3 and 3.4 does not act as well as 3.0 and i cant get the resolution up over 800x600. Again that has to do with xorg the X software not freeBSD. It contains generic card names not every Video Card out there cause thats not possible, you select your make and type to determine model you can hand edit the exact name of your card. I tried to install xfree86 as suggested in the documentation but it does the make install but it does not install all the files. FreeBSd has switched to xorg by default, if you insist on xfree86 do more homework come on do you want me to go to red hat. Feel free to leave you need to clean up the release so that novice users can install and you the most powerful and stable os's that exist. thanks warren schreiner You have a lot of reading and catching up to do even though you have been using it for 15 years apparently... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What have you done
come on do you want me to go to red hat. Can't speak for anyone else here but... yes. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What have you done
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, warren schreiner wrote: well I've been using friends for over 15 years started with the first release. Over the yeas I have loved what you people did with the os and how stable. I have also relied on the use of xwindows to get some tasks performed in a quick and easy. I currently run 4.6 and loved the kde and xwindows (XFree86). However, I now have version 4.7, 4.11, 5.4, and now 6.0 and what the sam hill have you guys done with the easy install of xwindows. xorgconfg does not show all the cards, went to install gftp used the ports but the machine ask to go to internet to get additional files. What gives, you took an easy thing and mucked it up. kde3.3 and 3.4 does not act as well as 3.0 and i cant get the resolution up over 800x600. I tried to install xfree86 as suggested in the documentation but it does the make install but it does not install all the files. come on do you want me to go to red hat. you need to clean up the release so that novice users can install and you the most powerful and stable os's that exist. thanks warren schreiner To put it bluntly sam hill - yer an idiot that refuses to read documentation that users worked very hard on. Not to mention reading the FAQ and the Handbook. Best regards, Chris The race is not always to the swift nor the battle to the strong, but that's the way to bet. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
