Re: backup solution for home FreeBSD server
Robert Huff wrote: I'm looking for an external backup solution for my FreeBSD file server. I want it to be pluggable via USB interface (I'd share it with a couple of servers). I'd also like to be able to move backups to an off-site storage, so external HDD won't probably work for me. My data size is currently about 50G, but I expect it to grow to about 250G. My price range is below $300. Suggestions? Check out Addonics, particularly the Saturn system. I have one of these: http://www.addonics.com/products/Saturn/aeschd.asp Yep, this looks interesting. However, can you say if there is any significant advantage of this Saturn enclosures over standard ones, besides the cyphering feature? Thanks! -- Vlad Skvortsov, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://vss.73rus.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: backup solution for home FreeBSD server
On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 11:06:44PM -0700, Vlad Skvortsov wrote: Robert Huff wrote: I'm looking for an external backup solution for my FreeBSD file server. I want it to be pluggable via USB interface (I'd share it with a couple of servers). I'd also like to be able to move backups to an off-site storage, so external HDD won't probably work for me. My data size is currently about 50G, but I expect it to grow to about 250G. My price range is below $300. Suggestions? Check out Addonics, particularly the Saturn system. I have one of these: http://www.addonics.com/products/Saturn/aeschd.asp Yep, this looks interesting. However, can you say if there is any significant advantage of this Saturn enclosures over standard ones, besides the cyphering feature? If you want encryption, you can use geli(8). This encrypts the raw disk with AES. I'm using it with my USB backup disk. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpkwDV5uuBm5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: backup solution for home FreeBSD server
Roland Smith wrote: http://www.addonics.com/products/Saturn/aeschd.asp Yep, this looks interesting. However, can you say if there is any significant advantage of this Saturn enclosures over standard ones, besides the cyphering feature? If you want encryption, you can use geli(8). This encrypts the raw disk with AES. I'm using it with my USB backup disk. Yes, I'm aware of that. I guess my question was: why did you refer to this particular enclosure? Or you just happen to have this one and this is the reason? -- Vlad Skvortsov, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://vss.73rus.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: backup solution for home FreeBSD server
Robert Huff wrote: Check out Addonics, particularly the Saturn system. I have one of these: http://www.addonics.com/products/Saturn/aeschd.asp I recommend against buying anything from a company which (a) uses DES, (b) describes it as bullet proof protection, or (c) doesn't explain how they're using it (there are several methods for performing full disk encryption using a block cipher; some are better than others). Colin Percival ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: backup solution for home FreeBSD server
John Levine wrote: I'm looking for an external backup solution for my FreeBSD file server. I want it to be pluggable via USB interface (I'd share it with a couple of servers). I'd also like to be able to move backups to an off-site storage, so external HDD won't probably work for me. My data size is currently about 50G, but I expect it to grow to about 250G. My price range is below $300. Get a couple of 150G USB disks. They work great, you can use dump/restore or just pax -r -w to copy stuff to the disks. I'm a big fan of offsite storage, so I actually have three USB disks. I leave two plugged into the computer so it can dump on alternate nights, and put one in my bank safe deposit box. Every week or so I take one of the two disks down to the bank and swap. R's, John Have you also considered tape backup as well as standard disks? Tapes are a bit more expensive, but overall a more static backup / archiving solution than disks. Besides, they're cheaper in the long run from what remember. Cheers, -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: backup solution for home FreeBSD server
Vlad Skvortsov writes: http://www.addonics.com/products/Saturn/aeschd.asp Yes, I'm aware of that. I guess my question was: why did you refer to this particular enclosure? Or you just happen to have this one and this is the reason? I happen to have this one; it's possible, even likely, similar products are made by others. (As there is no standard nomenclature, finding them by, say, Google was more work than I was willing to do,) And the answer to: can you say if there is any significant advantage of this Saturn enclosures over standard ones, besides the cyphering feature? would be No.. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: backup solution for home FreeBSD server
Garrett Cooper writes: Have you also considered tape backup as well as standard disks? Tapes are a bit more expensive, but overall a more static backup / archiving solution than disks. Besides, they're cheaper in the long run from what remember. The problem is: tapes are slow; backing up 30 gbytes to a DLT-III used to take 3-4 hours. Or rather the cost of a tape system seems to increase as the square of the transfer speed; a (new) LTO-2 drive will cost $1000+$35/tape. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: backup solution for home FreeBSD server
On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 09:12:11AM -0400, Robert Huff wrote: Garrett Cooper writes: Have you also considered tape backup as well as standard disks? Tapes are a bit more expensive, but overall a more static backup / archiving solution than disks. Besides, they're cheaper in the long run from what remember. The problem is: tapes are slow; backing up 30 gbytes to a DLT-III used to take 3-4 hours. Or rather the cost of a tape system seems to increase as the square of the transfer speed; a (new) LTO-2 drive will cost $1000+$35/tape. LTO is pretty fast, though it doesn't seem to have the fast search that was about the only thing I liked about DAT/DDS tape. But the cost of LTO for a home system is hard to swallow. You could get about a dozen USB drives to rotate for a similar cost. Tapes are nice for archiving or long term storage though. Their data format seems less likely to change over time than disk. jerry Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: backup solution for home FreeBSD server
Get a couple of 150G USB disks. They work great, you can use dump/restore or just pax -r -w to copy stuff to the disks. Have you also considered tape backup as well as standard disks? I used to use DLT tapes, and I looked at AIT before I decided on disks. The disks have a couple of advantages that would be hard to match with tape. One is that the backups are completely unattended; I have two USB drives plugged in at a time, and some little scripts wake up each night, figure out which disk has the least recent backups, delete enough old stuff to make room for a new backup, and then use pax -r -w to make the backup from each of the computers on my LAN. The only manual work I need to do is to swap a drive with the one in my safe deposit box once a week. Also, since they're disks, getting files back from a backup is a snap, just cp them from the most recent backup copy. The three disks together cost under $500, and if I need more backup space, I can just buy some more larger ones. To get approximately the same unattended backups I have with my USB disks I would need an AIT jukebox for about $4000. Getting files back would be much more painful, since I would have to spin through an entire dump or cpio image to find a file. Tapes make sense if you have a vast amount of data, multiple terabytes. You need a lot of terabytes before the cheaper media makes up for the much more expensive drives, and it's still nowhere near as convenient as disks. R's, John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
backup solution for home FreeBSD server
[please CC: me, I'm not on the list] Hi! I'm looking for an external backup solution for my FreeBSD file server. I want it to be pluggable via USB interface (I'd share it with a couple of servers). I'd also like to be able to move backups to an off-site storage, so external HDD won't probably work for me. My data size is currently about 50G, but I expect it to grow to about 250G. My price range is below $300. Suggestions? Thanks! -- Vlad Skvortsov, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://vss.73rus.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
backup solution for home FreeBSD server
Vlad Skvortsov writes: I'm looking for an external backup solution for my FreeBSD file server. I want it to be pluggable via USB interface (I'd share it with a couple of servers). I'd also like to be able to move backups to an off-site storage, so external HDD won't probably work for me. My data size is currently about 50G, but I expect it to grow to about 250G. My price range is below $300. Suggestions? Check out Addonics, particularly the Saturn system. I have one of these: http://www.addonics.com/products/Saturn/aeschd.asp and it's worked just fine - with one exception - for the last several months. The exception is transfer speed: for reasons confounding diagnosis, I am only getting ~2mbytes/sec across a USB 2.0 connection. Now if I could only find a source for inexpensive ($20) 80 Gbyte IDE hard drives Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: backup solution for home FreeBSD server
I'm looking for an external backup solution for my FreeBSD file server. I want it to be pluggable via USB interface (I'd share it with a couple of servers). I'd also like to be able to move backups to an off-site storage, so external HDD won't probably work for me. My data size is currently about 50G, but I expect it to grow to about 250G. My price range is below $300. Get a couple of 150G USB disks. They work great, you can use dump/restore or just pax -r -w to copy stuff to the disks. I'm a big fan of offsite storage, so I actually have three USB disks. I leave two plugged into the computer so it can dump on alternate nights, and put one in my bank safe deposit box. Every week or so I take one of the two disks down to the bank and swap. R's, John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
