Re: best way to run vista inside freebsd
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:45:16 -0400
Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes. Though you might get some strange situations depending on the
guest OS and emulated machine.
cool
For example when emulating a x86_64
running XP pro as the Guest OS I can ping/telnet the host OS but I can't
see it's Samba server even though every other machine on the subnet can
see it.
this sounds more like a networking issue.. firewall ? what does tcpdump show,
from inside the VM and from the host?
cheers,
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Re: best way to run vista inside freebsd
On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 00:47 -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: Frank Jahnke writes: VMs in general are a problem on Free. There is an effort to port the most recent VMware Workstation by a very good man. VMware employee? No. He is the fellow who did the VMware 3 port. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: best way to run vista inside freebsd
Quoting Francisco Reyes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Frank Jahnke writes: VMs in general are a problem on Free. There is an effort to port the most recent VMware Workstation by a very good man. VMware employee? No, Orlando Bassotto, who is the programmer who did much of the work for the original VMware Workstation 3 port and kernel modules for FreeBSD. If I understand it correctly, he picked up where Vladimir Silyaev left off after porting 2. Orlando also did quite a bit of work on a Workstation 4 port for FreeBSD that reached at least alpha quality. Rsync.net code bounties and current status: http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/2007cb.html Orlando's home page (currently blank): http://www.break.net/orlando/ JN ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: best way to run vista inside freebsd
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:38:46 -0400
Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Francisco Reyes wrote:
Norberto Meijome writes:
I do not have Windows on any of my machines but I have heard that
Win4BSD is really good. It is not free! I believe it is about
$45.
$45 is far cheaper than EMC's VMWare workstation edition. Does it
support Vista
now? interesting..you can also try QEMu, on which Win4BSD is partly
based .
Win4BSD is not all that stable and the support is rather lacking. You
see many posts in their forums with no answer.. and others with
answers weeks/months later.
besides it doesn't work on amd64
I didnt know all this. thanks! QEMu will have to keep working for now ;)
btw, does QEMU work ok under 64bit?
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Re: best way to run vista inside freebsd
I didnt know all this. thanks! QEMu will have to keep working for now ;) btw, does QEMU work ok under 64bit? Yes. Though you might get some strange situations depending on the guest OS and emulated machine. For example when emulating a x86_64 running XP pro as the Guest OS I can ping/telnet the host OS but I can't see it's Samba server even though every other machine on the subnet can see it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: best way to run vista inside freebsd
Francisco Reyes wrote: Norberto Meijome writes: I do not have Windows on any of my machines but I have heard that Win4BSD is really good. It is not free! I believe it is about $45. $45 is far cheaper than EMC's VMWare workstation edition. Does it support Vista now? interesting..you can also try QEMu, on which Win4BSD is partly based . Win4BSD is not all that stable and the support is rather lacking. You see many posts in their forums with no answer.. and others with answers weeks/months later. besides it doesn't work on amd64 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: best way to run vista inside freebsd
Frank Jahnke writes: VMs in general are a problem on Free. There is an effort to port the most recent VMware Workstation by a very good man. VMware employee? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: best way to run vista inside freebsd
Norberto Meijome writes: I do not have Windows on any of my machines but I have heard that Win4BSD is really good. It is not free! I believe it is about $45. $45 is far cheaper than EMC's VMWare workstation edition. Does it support Vista now? interesting..you can also try QEMu, on which Win4BSD is partly based . Win4BSD is not all that stable and the support is rather lacking. You see many posts in their forums with no answer.. and others with answers weeks/months later. As much I really wanted that software to work.. I don't see how people are going to use it, with such horrible support. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: best way to run vista inside freebsd
Ghirai wrote: I managed to run XP on qemu, it was pretty painless. I'll try with vista the next couple of days and report back. What disk image type and what version of FreeBSD do you run (for me 8-current amd64) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: best way to run vista inside freebsd
I managed to run XP on qemu, it was pretty painless. I'll try with vista the next couple of days and report back. --- Regards, Ghirai. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: best way to run vista inside freebsd
On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 06:02:29PM +, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: I want to run vista (windows) on my freebsd (amd64) machine without rebooting what is better wine or an vm emulator (if so which one... I know how to use vmware but never done so on a *nix machine) Have you tried qemu? You might need to replace its bios file by a newer one that supports EFI. (google for 'qemu vista'). Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpMWqBxRaq7g.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: best way to run vista inside freebsd
On Friday 19 October 2007, Frank Jahnke wrote: On Fri, 2007-10-19 at 16:47 +0200, Frank Staals wrote: What is the status of that project if I may ask ? I did some research on it some time ago but the best I could find was that there was someone porting vmware-workstation 4.5.X to FreeBSD allthough there were quite a lot problems so there wasn't much progress it seemed. The same fellow is doing the port. I haven't corresponded with him for a while, so I can't really say what the current status is. Quite some time ago the issue was getting VMware to discuss what goes on in their kernel module (IIRC). In addition to sponsoring and contributing to the bounty for this project, rsync.net is engaged in some discussion(s) with VMware to get and keep things moving for this newest port, although status updates are a bit hard to come by (perhaps intentionally). JN ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: best way to run vista inside freebsd
On 10/19/07, Frank Jahnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed. For me it is the biggest problem with using a FreeBSD desktop. One other sign of hope: there has been intermittent work on a port of VirtualBox. When I checked last, the GUI environment would build. That's certainly not a complete VM yet, but it is one necessary piece. VirtualBox builds from the Innotek svn sources, and the GUI runs but with some issues. However, it is possible to boot a full VM instance from within VirtualBox on a FreeBSD host (which is very promising). The major missing component (that I'm aware of) is the kernel acceleration module, so the VM is very slow. The VirtualBox developers have been receptive to contributions that were required to get their program to build on FreeBSD, and they have written a skeleton kernel module as a first step to getting accelerated VMs on a FreeBSD host. I suspect that they will also be receptive if anyone from the FreeBSD community is willing to contribute to the kernel module completion. Anyone able to contribute should drop them a line on their dev mailing list, or visit the IRC channel listed at http://virtualbox.org/wiki/FreeBSD%20build%20instructions. I've currently exhausted my limited porting skills (mostly related to getting their Makefiles to recognize where FreeBSD keeps relevant header and include files) and am willing to help continue the effort in any way I can with help from others more skilled in programming. Matt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: best way to run vista inside freebsd
On Fri, 2007-10-19 at 10:23 -0500, Matt wrote: VirtualBox builds from the Innotek svn sources, and the GUI runs but with some issues. However, it is possible to boot a full VM instance from within VirtualBox on a FreeBSD host (which is very promising). The major missing component (that I'm aware of) is the kernel acceleration module, so the VM is very slow. That's all very good news, and thanks for the update. The VirtualBox developers have been receptive to contributions that were required to get their program to build on FreeBSD, and they have written a skeleton kernel module as a first step to getting accelerated VMs on a FreeBSD host. The kernel modules always seem to be the main challenge. This one at least is open source, so you don't have to try to figure out what is going on. I'd help, but I'm not that sort of coder. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: best way to run vista inside freebsd
Frank Jahnke wrote: VMs in general are a problem on Free. There is an effort to port the most recent VMware Workstation by a very good man. I do hope this works, because right now things in the VM world on FreeBSD truly are bleak. Frank What is the status of that project if I may ask ? I did some research on it some time ago but the best I could find was that there was someone porting vmware-workstation 4.5.X to FreeBSD allthough there were quite a lot problems so there wasn't much progress it seemed. Anyway; VM's and FreeBSD don't go well indeed :( vmware3 is just outdated, it won't work as Xen host (yet; .. it was on the SoC list, but I'm not sure how much has become of it ) and qemu is a nice attempt but it's just not good enough ( especially since kqemu locks up my system in CURRENT ). It would be great if FreeBSD could be a VM-host. -- -Frank Staals ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: best way to run vista inside freebsd
On Fri, 2007-10-19 at 16:47 +0200, Frank Staals wrote: What is the status of that project if I may ask ? I did some research on it some time ago but the best I could find was that there was someone porting vmware-workstation 4.5.X to FreeBSD allthough there were quite a lot problems so there wasn't much progress it seemed. The same fellow is doing the port. I haven't corresponded with him for a while, so I can't really say what the current status is. Quite some time ago the issue was getting VMware to discuss what goes on in their kernel module (IIRC). It would be great if FreeBSD could be a VM-host. Agreed. For me it is the biggest problem with using a FreeBSD desktop. One other sign of hope: there has been intermittent work on a port of VirtualBox. When I checked last, the GUI environment would build. That's certainly not a complete VM yet, but it is one necessary piece. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: best way to run vista inside freebsd
Frank Staals wrote: Frank Jahnke wrote: VMs in general are a problem on Free. There is an effort to port the most recent VMware Workstation by a very good man. I do hope this works, because right now things in the VM world on FreeBSD truly are bleak. Frank What is the status of that project if I may ask ? I did some research on it some time ago but the best I could find was that there was someone porting vmware-workstation 4.5.X to FreeBSD allthough there were quite a lot problems so there wasn't much progress it seemed. Anyway; VM's and FreeBSD don't go well indeed :( vmware3 is just outdated, it won't work as Xen host (yet; .. it was on the SoC list, but I'm not sure how much has become of it ) and qemu is a nice attempt but it's just not good enough ( especially since kqemu locks up my system in CURRENT ). It would be great if FreeBSD could be a VM-host. Sort of off topic but an other thing (besides run vista) I eventually want to do is use it as a OS developement platform (writing an OS from the ground up) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: best way to run vista inside freebsd
I have heard that Win4BSD is really good. Your hearing is not good. Win4BSD is a terrible product when compared with the very old version of VMware. Its only advantage is that you can run it with more than one CPU (namely, APIC is enabled). Win4BSD is less stable, less responsive, and it appears to be dead as far as activity goes. FWIW, in my opinion qemu/kqemu is not particularly good, either. VMs in general are a problem on Free. There is an effort to port the most recent VMware Workstation by a very good man. I do hope this works, because right now things in the VM world on FreeBSD truly are bleak. Frank ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: best way to run vista inside freebsd
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:02:29 + Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to run vista (windows) on my freebsd (amd64) machine without rebooting what is better wine or... AFAIK Wine can't run any Windows OS, it runs individual applications. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Off Topic] Vista Sucks! (Was: Re: best way to run vista inside freebsd)
Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: Dear Vista, On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 18:02 +, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: I want to run vista (windows) on my freebsd (amd64) machine without rebooting what is better wine or an vm emulator (if so which one... I know how to use vmware but never done so on a *nix machine) Vista! You have no UTF-8 based locales (eg., bn_BD.UTF8), so you are really useless. Resign yourself, please ;; Has it ever occured to your (closed) mind that people may have different goals then you do ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Off Topic] Vista Sucks! (Was: Re: best way to run vista inside freebsd)
Dear Vista, On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 18:02 +, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: I want to run vista (windows) on my freebsd (amd64) machine without rebooting what is better wine or an vm emulator (if so which one... I know how to use vmware but never done so on a *nix machine) Vista! You have no UTF-8 based locales (eg., bn_BD.UTF8), so you are really useless. Resign yourself, please ;; -- Byung-Hee HWANG [EMAIL PROTECTED] InZealBomb, Kyungpook National University, KOREA I'll reason with him. -- Vito Corleone, Chapter 14, page 200 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: best way to run vista inside freebsd
Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: I want to run vista (windows) on my freebsd (amd64) machine without rebooting what is better wine or an vm emulator (if so which one... I know how to use vmware but never done so on a *nix machine) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I do not have Windows on any of my machines but I have heard that Win4BSD is really good. It is not free! I believe it is about $45. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
best way to run vista inside freebsd
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Re: best way to run vista inside freebsd
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:13:29 -0700
Predrag Punosevac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
I want to run vista (windows) on my freebsd (amd64) machine without
rebooting what is better wine or an vm emulator (if so which one... I
know how to use vmware but never done so on a *nix machine)
I do not have Windows on any of my machines but I have heard that
Win4BSD is really good. It is not free! I believe it is about
$45.
$45 is far cheaper than EMC's VMWare workstation edition. Does it support Vista
now? interesting..you can also try QEMu, on which Win4BSD is partly based .
btw, I thought vmware wkstation wouldnt work on fbsd...? has that changed? I
know there is an old port hanging around, but that is quite old.. a linux
license for VMWare Workstation is needed.
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Re: best way to run vista inside freebsd
Predrag Punosevac wrote: Frank Jahnke wrote: I have heard that Win4BSD is really good. Your hearing is not good. Win4BSD is a terrible product when compared with the very old version of VMware. Its only advantage is that you can run it with more than one CPU (namely, APIC is enabled). Win4BSD is less stable, less responsive, and it appears to be dead as far as activity goes. FWIW, in my opinion qemu/kqemu is not particularly good, either. VMs in general are a problem on Free. There is an effort to port the most recent VMware Workstation by a very good man. I do hope this works, because right now things in the VM world on FreeBSD truly are bleak. Frank I said in the disclaimer that I personally do not run any Windows natively or via WMware. I was also wrong about the price. It looks it is $29.99 http://www.win4bsd.com/content/ Sorry for spam, this is the end of my participation on this thread. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
