Re: The Perfect Desktop: FreebSD 8.2 in Virtualbox 4?
On Sun, 22 May 2011 17:56:37 -0400, Xn Nooby xno...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Sun, 22 May 2011 15:17:50 -0400, Xn Nooby xno...@gmail.com wrote: HowtoForge has a lot of good examples of how to install and configure a desktop system using various Linux distributions, but there are none on how to create a FreeBSD desktop. Would someone will be willing to put one together? U think the majority of FreeBSD users who use the system on their desktop won't agree on the one desktop, as everyone I've encountered so far has different preferences and requirements. So a generalized statement is quite hard. There are systems with preconfigured desktops, such as PC-BSD, DesktopBSD and FreeSBIE. I'm thinking about new users, rather than typical users. A typical FreeBSD user probably already knows how to configure a desktop that is ideal for them. A new user will take whatever they can get working, and keep working. Hmmm... Then we have different observations about what a new FreeBSD user means. In my opinion, those who come to FreeBSD don't come here from nothing - i. e. they traditionally have a UNIX or at least Linux background and begin understanding that FreeBSD doesn't come as a preinstalled and preconfigured desktop - it CAN'T, as it is a multi-purpose operating system that you can use on desktops of course, but also on servers and on mixed forms. Those who do not want to understand the OS, but want a preconfigured system, will quickly orientate to use PC-BSD or some other system which already has the goal to exactly provide that: a preconfigured system for a specific target audience. This brings up another question: Why would somebody want to build a system on his own when he can download the result already? I envision this more of a how-to than just providing an appliance. But that would be a good starting point for learning on how the inventors of VirtualBSD (to name an appliance) have done it, and build an own system from there on, keeping The FreeBSD Handbook at hand. See http://www.virtualbsd.info/ for details. I had previously visited their site, but they did not have instructions on how they created the appliance, or a forum to discuss it. I think they did create it in a similar way as how anyone (with sufficient knowledge) can create such a system using FreeBSD and the appropriate tools. As we discuss free and open software here, it should be possible to deduct the chain of creation from mentally de-compiling the results. In most cases, things can be observed back to files modified and programs installed. When I configured the sound driver on my machines, I had to go through a discovery process to find out what driver was required on each machine. Inside a VM, you would know what driver to load, and you could just tell the user to install the sound driver with this command. You wouldn't have to tell them how to figure out which driver to install. I just have limited experience with virtualized hardware on a PC basis, but shouldn't it be possible to define the kind of DSP when creating the VM - so a VM could also have different virtual sound cards installed? I would expect that a typical new desktop user would be using an old computer purchased before they knew anything about FreeBSD. Or even more likely, a virtual machine hosted on a Windows box. Unlike mainstream operating systems, FreeBSD is able to deliver good results on older hardware, but only if the person who installs the system has sufficient knowledge about which ports to install (NB: older software may be the better solution here!). But I agree that providing a lightweight-oriented system could be a good approach. It doesn't mean that you need to run older versions of the OS - in fact you can run 8.2 even on a 300 MHz machine. :-) Some parameters for the guide could be: - uses 8.2 installer - tracks errata branch with FreeBSD update - tracks 8-stable branch for ports Depends on preferred usage paradigm. Yes and that paradigm would have to be properly defined. My definition would be that of a hobbyist desktop user who wants a functioning and maintainable desktop enviroment. In the Debian example I gave, their included software implies their target audience. I'm not interested in hosting 5000 jails, running a database cluster, or acting as the neighborhood ISP. For most ports from the desktop area, running -STABLE is eing suggested. But this involves system updates per src/ updating and compiling. On the other hand, if you keep using RELEASE-pX, using freebsd-update, you _could_ run into trouble from time to time (depending on ports installed). - demonstrates how to install many desktop apps That would be covered by how to install additional software, which means pkg_add, make install, or a port management tool. Maybe you refer to how to involve graphical port
The Perfect Desktop: FreebSD 8.2 in Virtualbox 4?
HowtoForge has a lot of good examples of how to install and configure a desktop system using various Linux distributions, but there are none on how to create a FreeBSD desktop. Would someone will be willing to put one together? I envision this more of a how-to than just providing an appliance. The goal would be to show how to configure the system on a hardware-neutral platform (Virtualbox VM), so that people could use it as an example for setting up their own systems. I suspect a lot of people would use this guide for setting up a laptop, so an underpowered VM would be a good proxy. Some parameters for the guide could be: - uses 8.2 installer - tracks errata branch with FreeBSD update - tracks 8-stable branch for ports - builds from source minimally (laptops are slow!) - demonstrates how to install many desktop apps - uses a lightweight VM, icewm or openbox ? - optionally uses a heavyweight WM, Gnome3 ? - ideally demonstrates best practices - looks good, with nice fonts - optionally supports openGL (desktop users would need that) - optionally includes tips for upgrading to 8.3+ Here is the page for Debian Lenny as an example: http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-debian-lenny I know the Handbook has everything it it, but I am looking for something that can leverage the fact that in a VM the hardware is known in advance. The instructions could then be very direct, and would not have to cover all possible situations. They would simply be do exactly these commands. Admittedly I am asking for what I need, but there might be others who could benefit. I have been trying to make a script to do these automatically, but I am still having problems understanding certain things. I could help some, by testing, and I can write an install script to automate anything that I can understand. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The Perfect Desktop: FreebSD 8.2 in Virtualbox 4?
On Sun, 22 May 2011 15:17:50 -0400, Xn Nooby xno...@gmail.com wrote: HowtoForge has a lot of good examples of how to install and configure a desktop system using various Linux distributions, but there are none on how to create a FreeBSD desktop. Would someone will be willing to put one together? U think the majority of FreeBSD users who use the system on their desktop won't agree on the one desktop, as everyone I've encountered so far has different preferences and requirements. So a generalized statement is quite hard. There are systems with preconfigured desktops, such as PC-BSD, DesktopBSD and FreeSBIE. I envision this more of a how-to than just providing an appliance. But that would be a good starting point for learning on how the inventors of VirtualBSD (to name an appliance) have done it, and build an own system from there on, keeping The FreeBSD Handbook at hand. See http://www.virtualbsd.info/ for details. The goal would be to show how to configure the system on a hardware-neutral platform (Virtualbox VM), so that people could use it as an example for setting up their own systems. I'm sure the handbook's sections about the required parts can be very easily applied to virtual hardware, as they are generic enough to cover them. I suspect a lot of people would use this guide for setting up a laptop, so an underpowered VM would be a good proxy. Due to hardware limitations (incompatible parts) mostly found in modern laptops, I would assume that FreeBSD users prefer running the system on hardware that is known to work... Some parameters for the guide could be: - uses 8.2 installer - tracks errata branch with FreeBSD update - tracks 8-stable branch for ports Depends on preferred usage paradigm. - builds from source minimally (laptops are slow!) There are laptops with resources equal to a fullblown desktop machine. :-) - demonstrates how to install many desktop apps That would be covered by how to install additional software, which means pkg_add, make install, or a port management tool. Maybe you refer to how to involve graphical port management abstractors? - uses a lightweight VM, icewm or openbox ? Or WindowMaker? :-) - optionally uses a heavyweight WM, Gnome3 ? Until it stops working. :-) - ideally demonstrates best practices Also depends on requirements, by users or by setting in which the system should be used (e. g. security policies, prohibition of standard means of communication and so on). - looks good, with nice fonts Looks good also depends VERY. - optionally supports openGL (desktop users would need that) Would they? :-) I know that average desktop users seem to get addicted to certain bling, but some lines above, you mentioned that laptops are slow, and the resources required for eye candy... are they included here? - optionally includes tips for upgrading to 8.3+ Also the standard means apply here. Here is the page for Debian Lenny as an example: http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-debian-lenny Yes, a very pictural step-by-step guide. For FreeBSD users who traditionally are educated in how UNIX in general and FreeBSD in special case do need to be operated, this may not be the primary kind of information supply, but I may be wrong here. I know the Handbook has everything it it, but I am looking for something that can leverage the fact that in a VM the hardware is known in advance. The instructions could then be very direct, and would not have to cover all possible situations. They would simply be do exactly these commands. But then this would depend on the VM's settings that needed to be in the preface, and this would be the same as keeping instructions generic and giving the additional advice of change this if needed. Admittedly I am asking for what I need, but there might be others who could benefit. That's understandable, but could you describe the target audience a bit better? I have been trying to make a script to do these automatically, but I am still having problems understanding certain things. And I may predict that exactly those things are needed to be understood to get the whole show running. Learning by doing is nothing wrong here, although it requires some reading. I could help some, by testing, and I can write an install script to automate anything that I can understand. I know that the default installer sysinstall has a feature for scripting, but you could easily write your own installer that uses e. g. ZFS or GPT initialisation for the (virtual) disk instead of the traditional run of fdisk + disklabel + newfs. Providing packages for the required software (and ALL their dependencies) would also be a good step, so installation could even be done in an offline environment without ending with broken software. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
Re: The Perfect Desktop: FreebSD 8.2 in Virtualbox 4?
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Sun, 22 May 2011 15:17:50 -0400, Xn Nooby xno...@gmail.com wrote: HowtoForge has a lot of good examples of how to install and configure a desktop system using various Linux distributions, but there are none on how to create a FreeBSD desktop. Would someone will be willing to put one together? U think the majority of FreeBSD users who use the system on their desktop won't agree on the one desktop, as everyone I've encountered so far has different preferences and requirements. So a generalized statement is quite hard. There are systems with preconfigured desktops, such as PC-BSD, DesktopBSD and FreeSBIE. I'm thinking about new users, rather than typical users. A typical FreeBSD user probably already knows how to configure a desktop that is ideal for them. A new user will take whatever they can get working, and keep working. I envision this more of a how-to than just providing an appliance. But that would be a good starting point for learning on how the inventors of VirtualBSD (to name an appliance) have done it, and build an own system from there on, keeping The FreeBSD Handbook at hand. See http://www.virtualbsd.info/ for details. I had previously visited their site, but they did not have instructions on how they created the appliance, or a forum to discuss it. The goal would be to show how to configure the system on a hardware-neutral platform (Virtualbox VM), so that people could use it as an example for setting up their own systems. I'm sure the handbook's sections about the required parts can be very easily applied to virtual hardware, as they are generic enough to cover them. When I configured the sound driver on my machines, I had to go through a discovery process to find out what driver was required on each machine. Inside a VM, you would know what driver to load, and you could just tell the user to install the sound driver with this command. You wouldn't have to tell them how to figure out which driver to install. I suspect a lot of people would use this guide for setting up a laptop, so an underpowered VM would be a good proxy. Due to hardware limitations (incompatible parts) mostly found in modern laptops, I would assume that FreeBSD users prefer running the system on hardware that is known to work... I would expect that a typical new desktop user would be using an old computer purchased before they knew anything about FreeBSD. Or even more likely, a virtual machine hosted on a Windows box. Some parameters for the guide could be: - uses 8.2 installer - tracks errata branch with FreeBSD update - tracks 8-stable branch for ports Depends on preferred usage paradigm. Yes and that paradigm would have to be properly defined. My definition would be that of a hobbyist desktop user who wants a functioning and maintainable desktop enviroment. In the Debian example I gave, their included software implies their target audience. I'm not interested in hosting 5000 jails, running a database cluster, or acting as the neighborhood ISP. - builds from source minimally (laptops are slow!) There are laptops with resources equal to a fullblown desktop machine. :-) - demonstrates how to install many desktop apps That would be covered by how to install additional software, which means pkg_add, make install, or a port management tool. Maybe you refer to how to involve graphical port management abstractors? I would prefer to stick with command-line tools, but in a controlled environment that won't fail. Maybe that is not possible when tracking stable (ironically). For example, I've spent most of the last 72 hours trying to install firefox, flash (via linux_base-10), and virtualbox-ose-additons in to a stable environment, and only firefox is working. About once a year for the last 6 years I try to setup a FreeBSD desktop, and eventually get frustrated and go back to linux. - uses a lightweight VM, icewm or openbox ? Or WindowMaker? :-) - optionally uses a heavyweight WM, Gnome3 ? Until it stops working. :-) - ideally demonstrates best practices Also depends on requirements, by users or by setting in which the system should be used (e. g. security policies, prohibition of standard means of communication and so on). - looks good, with nice fonts Looks good also depends VERY. - optionally supports openGL (desktop users would need that) Would they? :-) I know that average desktop users seem to get addicted to certain bling, but some lines above, you mentioned that laptops are slow, and the resources required for eye candy... are they included here? If Virtualbox supports hardware-accelerated graphics on 64-bit FreeBSD guests, then yes. - optionally includes tips for upgrading to 8.3+ Also the standard means apply here. Yes, but it would potentially be less error-prone with known hardware devices being emulated. Here
Re: To meke Desktop FreeBSD setting up by Xorg -- under VMWare?
Am 28.02.2009 um 02:09 schrieb Warren Block: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, ?? ?? wrote: Nice to meet you. I'm japanese ,Katsurou Takahash. I started to use FreeBSD to constitute my file server and I want to use FreeBSD as Desktop OS. I would like to know how to setting FreeBSD as Desktop OS by Xorg on VMware Fusion act 2. Or I want to know how to setting command by GUI. I use MacBookPro 15inch USkeyboard. If you know the way ,please tell me that. pcbsd.org has a downloadable VMWare image. Even if you don't use their whole setup, you can use their xorg.conf as a starting point. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA What you might also try to do is to just install FreeBSD in VMWare from the ISO images yourself, then install the compat6x port and afterwards install the VMWare tools from within VMWare. This not only installs a special VMWare driver for X.org (and automatically sets up xorg.conf) which allows you to set the resolution and lets the mouse leave the VM window without pressing Ctrl-Apple keys each time, this also installs the VMWare tools applet that can be used to reduce the VM disk image from time to time. For infos about how to install the tools, have a look at the VMWare Fusion Help. Best regards Stephan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: To meke Desktop FreeBSD setting up by Xorg -- under VMWare?
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, ?? ?? wrote: Nice to meet you. I'm japanese ,Katsurou Takahash. I started to use FreeBSD to constitute my file server and I want to use FreeBSD as Desktop OS. I would like to know how to setting FreeBSD as Desktop OS by Xorg on VMware Fusion act 2. Or I want to know how to setting command by GUI. I use MacBookPro 15inch USkeyboard. If you know the way ,please tell me that. pcbsd.org has a downloadable VMWare image. Even if you don't use their whole setup, you can use their xorg.conf as a starting point. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: To meke Desktop FreeBSD setting up by Xorg -- under VMWare?
I installed xorg,ipa-ttfonts,xfce4 and sudo. And I make install clean. I tried the next setting of xorg.conf, but failed. please tell me how to rewrite the xorg.conf file or send me the file. Hello. Did you try Xorg -configure command? It will create xorg.conf.new automatically. Then, you can put it as /etc/X11/xorg.conf. This is my /etc/X11/xorg.conf. (But, this is for FreeBSD-current, so may not work in your environment.) Regards. Section ServerLayout Identifier X.org Configured Screen 0 Screen0 0 0 InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard Option AllowEmptyInput off EndSection Section Files ModulePath /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/ FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/ FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/ FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/ FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/ EndSection Section Module Load extmod Load record Load dbe Load glx Load xtrap Load dri Load freetype EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard0 Driver kbd Option XkbLayout jp Option XkbModel jp106 EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Mouse0 Driver mouse Option Protocol auto Option Device /dev/sysmouse Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 6 7 EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Monitor0 VendorName Monitor Vendor ModelNameMonitor Model EndSection Section Device ### Available Driver options are:- ### Values: i: integer, f: float, bool: True/False, ### string: String, freq: f Hz/kHz/MHz ### [arg]: arg optional #Option probe_sparse # [bool] #Option accel # [bool] #Option crt_display # [bool] #Option composite_sync# [bool] #Option hw_cursor # [bool] #Option force_pci_mode# [bool] #Option dma_mode # str #Option agp_mode # i #Option agp_size # i #Option local_textures# [bool] #Option buffer_size # i #Option tv_out# [bool] #Option tv_standard # str #Option mmio_cache# [bool] #Option test_mmio_cache # [bool] #Option panel_display # [bool] #Option reference_clock # freq #Option shadow_fb # [bool] #Option sw_cursor # [bool] #Option AccelMethod # str #Option RenderAccel # [bool] Identifier Card0 Driver mach64 VendorName ATI Technologies Inc BoardName Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x BusID PCI:1:0:0 EndSection Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Card0 MonitorMonitor0 SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 1 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 4 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 8 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 15 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 EndSubSection EndSection -- Kouki Hashimoto hsm...@gmail.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
To meke Desktop FreeBSD setting up by Xorg -- under VMWare?
Nice to meet you. I'm japanese ,Katsurou Takahash. I started to use FreeBSD to constitute my file server and I want to use FreeBSD as Desktop OS. I would like to know how to setting FreeBSD as Desktop OS by Xorg on VMware Fusion act 2. Or I want to know how to setting command by GUI. I use MacBookPro 15inch USkeyboard. If you know the way ,please tell me that. I installed xorg,ipa-ttfonts,xfce4 and sudo. And I make install clean. I tried the next setting of xorg.conf, but failed. please tell me how to rewrite the xorg.conf file or send me the file. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What doesn't work on desktop FreeBSD ? (ex Webcams)
Xn Nooby wrote: I bought a QuickCam Orbit MP, which I apparently must use under Windows (or Linux). From what I've seen online, not many (if any), people are using webcams under FreeBSD. I was curious if there were other things that also were not realistic to do (I'm not complaining). Some of the things that do work are my soundcard, nVidia card, gigabit NIC, opengl games, wine, accelerated qemu, hp inkjet printer, and lots of wonderful free software. Qemu nullified my need for VMWare (though I own 5.5 for win and linux). OpenOffice, Abiword, and Firefox with flash and java works. Lots of stuff works. I'm just curious if I am going to hit any roadblocks down the road. (Maybe there is a way to get my Quickcam to work using the RH 8.0compatibilty layer) thank! Someone ported the Linux pwc webcam driver to FreeBSD, and it actually works great with my Logitech Quickcam 4000 pro! According to his website http://raaf.atspace.org/ Logitech Quickcam Orbit should work as well. ___ In the English and Scottish football leagues, which team has the longest name? postmaster.co.uk http://www.postmaster.co.uk/cgi-bin/meme/quiz.pl?id=223 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: What doesn't work on desktop FreeBSD ? (ex Webcams)
As a general rule, (although there are many exceptions) there's less support for peripherals that depend on the processor to do their jobs. The famous example are the winmodems, but many printers are starting to get that way also. While a lot of help has come from Ghostscript, your going to have a tough time getting a Canon-anything inkjet printer to print a color image under FreeBSD. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Xn Nooby Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:33 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: What doesn't work on desktop FreeBSD ? (ex Webcams) I bought a QuickCam Orbit MP, which I apparently must use under Windows (or Linux). From what I've seen online, not many (if any), people are using webcams under FreeBSD. I was curious if there were other things that also were not realistic to do (I'm not complaining). Some of the things that do work are my soundcard, nVidia card, gigabit NIC, opengl games, wine, accelerated qemu, hp inkjet printer, and lots of wonderful free software. Qemu nullified my need for VMWare (though I own 5.5 for win and linux). OpenOffice, Abiword, and Firefox with flash and java works. Lots of stuff works. I'm just curious if I am going to hit any roadblocks down the road. (Maybe there is a way to get my Quickcam to work using the RH 8.0compatibilty layer) thank! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.10/262 - Release Date: 2/16/2006 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What doesn't work on desktop FreeBSD ? (ex Webcams)
I bought a QuickCam Orbit MP, which I apparently must use under Windows (or Linux). From what I've seen online, not many (if any), people are using webcams under FreeBSD. I was curious if there were other things that also were not realistic to do (I'm not complaining). Some of the things that do work are my soundcard, nVidia card, gigabit NIC, opengl games, wine, accelerated qemu, hp inkjet printer, and lots of wonderful free software. Qemu nullified my need for VMWare (though I own 5.5 for win and linux). OpenOffice, Abiword, and Firefox with flash and java works. Lots of stuff works. I'm just curious if I am going to hit any roadblocks down the road. (Maybe there is a way to get my Quickcam to work using the RH 8.0compatibilty layer) thank! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What doesn't work on desktop FreeBSD ? (ex Webcams)
On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 02:33:15PM -0500, Xn Nooby wrote: I bought a QuickCam Orbit MP, which I apparently must use under Windows (or Linux). From what I've seen online, not many (if any), people are using webcams under FreeBSD. I was curious if there were other things that also were not realistic to do (I'm not complaining). Some of the things that do work are my soundcard, nVidia card, gigabit NIC, opengl games, wine, accelerated qemu, hp inkjet printer, and lots of wonderful free software. Qemu nullified my need for VMWare (though I own 5.5 for win and linux). OpenOffice, Abiword, and Firefox with flash and java works. Lots of stuff works. I'm just curious if I am going to hit any roadblocks down the road. My printer works, but the scanner portion requires a reboot to windows or I have plug it into my powerbook. It's an HP PSC something or other. Midi - well... most open source operating systems aren't great in that area My nvidia card works except that gtk2 applications get this very strange text decay pretty often. It's very strange that the text gets very blurry and distorted sometimes. Only happens with the nvidia driver and composite render accel. I posted to the nvidia freebsd forum about it, one other person verified the issue... doesn't look like it's going to get fixed any time soon. (note - never had that problem with linux) My quickcam pro doesn't work, but I never expected it to really. My ipod video is recognized but I can't access the device. I hear this may be fixed now, I have to cvsup my tree and see if it works now. I have a couple of logitech dual action joypad things, they kinda work, but they don't fully work. Luckily I have 2 other operating systems to choose from if I really need to use one of the non-working things I mentioned above ;) Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 256 MB not enough RAM for Desktop-FreeBSD, a strange experience
Hello list-member :) I had the same experience with OpenOffice. I do have the same amount of RAM, but I think it is not related to the size the machine's memory, UNLESS the use of virtual memory is a problem. The thing is, the 256 of RAM is often used for 100% on my system and therefor it has to swap a lot. OO.org didn't even start in XFCE properly on my machine and I too couldn't kill the process. Even with kill -9. Unfortunately nobody was able to help, I did sent a message over this list but nobody came up with the cause of the problem or a solution. I do think it is BSD related because the process was unkillable. If you find the cause, or even better a solution, to this problem I'd like to hear about it. Good Luck, Freek Nossin -Original Message- From: Benjamin Thelen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: woensdag 27 april 2005 16:20 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 256 MB not enough RAM for Desktop-FreeBSD, a strange experience Hi list, I started using FreeBSD as a Desktop in December 04 with the hardware configuration below FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p2 Asus TUSL-C with PIII-1133 256 MB RAM WDC WD800JB KDE 3.3.2 OOo-1.1.4 Very often OpenOffice-1.4 died on starting, just showing the splash screen. I couldn't kill the process, even not with -9. So I had to reboot. Because of KDEs behavior to start applications, which have been used before, OpenOffice was started automatically on KDEs startup. Mostly successful. OpenOffice started a bit more reliable using XFCE4... In combination with this FreeBSD was hanging on the end of a shutdown: No buffers busy after final sync I didn't find very helpful information on the net, but since I added 256 MB of RAM I have never seen one of these errors. Does someone have any idea what that could have been caused? Adding more RAM, gaining stability, gaining speed, ok... Ben ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 256 MB not enough RAM for Desktop-FreeBSD, a strange experience
On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 14:59:18 +0200, Freek Nossin wrote Hello list-member :) I had the same experience with OpenOffice. I do have the same amount of RAM, but I think it is not related to the size the machine's memory, UNLESS the use of virtual memory is a problem. The thing is, the 256 of RAM is often used for 100% on my system and therefor it has to swap a lot. OO.org didn't even start in XFCE properly on my machine and I too couldn't kill the process. Even with kill -9. Unfortunately nobody was able to help, I did sent a message over this list but nobody came up with the cause of the problem or a solution. I do think it is BSD related because the process was unkillable. If you find the cause, or even better a solution, to this problem I'd like to hear about it. I am running FreeBSD with KDE 3.4 and OOo on a P3 700MHz with 192 MB ram. It's not really great performance, but it works all right. And it's not even swapping that much. Ok, it swaps for about 100MB, but it's still doing fine. And if I use XFCE in combination with OOo it performs just fine. It doesn't even need to swap. Ok, my AMD64 with 1 gig ram works better, but hey, it's workable. So it's not always BSD who is to blame ;) Good Luck, Freek Nossin -Original Message- From: Benjamin Thelen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: woensdag 27 april 2005 16:20 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 256 MB not enough RAM for Desktop-FreeBSD, a strange experience Hi list, I started using FreeBSD as a Desktop in December 04 with the hardware configuration below FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p2 Asus TUSL-C with PIII-1133 256 MB RAM WDC WD800JB KDE 3.3.2 OOo-1.1.4 Very often OpenOffice-1.4 died on starting, just showing the splash screen. I couldn't kill the process, even not with -9. So I had to reboot. Because of KDEs behavior to start applications, which have been used before, OpenOffice was started automatically on KDEs startup. Mostly successful. OpenOffice started a bit more reliable using XFCE4... In combination with this FreeBSD was hanging on the end of a shutdown: No buffers busy after final sync I didn't find very helpful information on the net, but since I added 256 MB of RAM I have never seen one of these errors. Does someone have any idea what that could have been caused? Adding more RAM, gaining stability, gaining speed, ok... Ben ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
256 MB not enough RAM for Desktop-FreeBSD, a strange experience
Hi list, I started using FreeBSD as a Desktop in December 04 with the hardware configuration below FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p2 Asus TUSL-C with PIII-1133 256 MB RAM WDC WD800JB KDE 3.3.2 OOo-1.1.4 Very often OpenOffice-1.4 died on starting, just showing the splash screen. I couldn't kill the process, even not with -9. So I had to reboot. Because of KDEs behavior to start applications, which have been used before, OpenOffice was started automatically on KDEs startup. Mostly successful. OpenOffice started a bit more reliable using XFCE4... In combination with this FreeBSD was hanging on the end of a shutdown: No buffers busy after final sync I didn't find very helpful information on the net, but since I added 256 MB of RAM I have never seen one of these errors. Does someone have any idea what that could have been caused? Adding more RAM, gaining stability, gaining speed, ok... Ben ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 256 MB not enough RAM for Desktop-FreeBSD, a strange experience
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:19:43 +0200 Benjamin Thelen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list, I started using FreeBSD as a Desktop in December 04 with the hardware configuration below FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p2 Asus TUSL-C with PIII-1133 256 MB RAM WDC WD800JB KDE 3.3.2 OOo-1.1.4 Very often OpenOffice-1.4 died on starting, just showing the splash screen. I couldn't kill the process, even not with -9. So I had to reboot. Because of KDEs behavior to start applications, which have been used before, OpenOffice was started automatically on KDEs startup. Mostly successful. OpenOffice started a bit more reliable using XFCE4... In combination with this FreeBSD was hanging on the end of a shutdown: No buffers busy after final sync I didn't find very helpful information on the net, but since I added 256 MB of RAM I have never seen one of these errors. I have an 4 yers old desktop at the office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 256MB RAM which runs happily gnome and openoffice. Does someone have any idea what that could have been caused? Adding more RAM, gaining stability, gaining speed, ok... Possibly some hardware-related stability since maybe it doesn't use all the memory, it had to swap less, .. It's hard to tell without some debug info. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD user ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Desktop FreeBSD - is it up to it?
Hi all, I have been using freebsd for my web/database/music server for a while and it has performed flawlessly. good good! However recently I installed freebsd on my desktop too. I can do the things I want to, it just seems that i need to be root to do a lot of things. If I didnt have root, I would be screwed. One point I find annoying is that I cant workout how a normal user can unmount a fs. I have created ~/cdrom and put an fstab entry in for it. The device is /dev/acd0 (777 for now). vfs.usermount=1. I can mount the share, but not unmount it. For now I have chmod +s /sbin/umount. This is bad and i wouldnt appreciate a normal user unmounting my hard disks. What is the proper way?? My version is 5.2-release. Also is there any guides online that tell you how freebsd can be configured as a desktop machine? Thanks vext01 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Desktop FreeBSD - is it up to it?
--- vext01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have been using freebsd for my web/database/music server for a while and it has performed flawlessly. good good! However recently I installed freebsd on my desktop too. I can do the things I want to, it just seems that i need to be root to do a lot of things. If I didnt have root, I would be screwed. One point I find annoying is that I cant workout how a normal user can unmount a fs. I have created ~/cdrom and put an fstab entry in for it. The device is /dev/acd0 (777 for now). vfs.usermount=1. I can mount the share, but not unmount it. For now I have chmod +s /sbin/umount. This is bad and i wouldnt appreciate a normal user unmounting my hard disks. What is the proper way?? My version is 5.2-release. Also is there any guides online that tell you how freebsd can be configured as a desktop machine? Thanks vext01 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I hope these help. Simple FreeBSD installation yields functional desktop system: http://www.newsforge.com/os/04/01/05/211225.shtml?tid=8tid=82tid=94 Desktop FreeBSD Part 2: Initial Setup http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=282 Desktop FreeBSD Part 1: Installation http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=272 Instant workstation installs a typical set of ports for a workstation.: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/misc/instant-workstation/pkg-descr FreeBSD 5.2 Lacks Polishing In Some Areas but Rules in Others: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=5821 A series of good articls. http://www.onlamp.com/bsd/ As for mounting and unmounting a cdrom and etc., check out: 9.22. How do I let ordinary users mount floppies, CDROMs and other removable media? http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/disks.html#USER-FLOPPYMOUNT = ESCape with VI. Cheese A La mode. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
desktop freebsd??
Hi all, I have been using freebsd for my web/database/music server for a while and it has performed flawlessly. good good! However recently I installed freebsd on my desktop too. I can do the things I want to, it just seems that i need to be root to do a lot of things. If I didnt have root, I would be screwed. One point I find annoying is that I cant workout how a normal user can unmount a fs. I have created ~/cdrom and put an fstab entry in for it. The device is /dev/acd0 (777 for now). vfs.usermount=1. I can mount the share, but not unmount it. For now I have chmod +s /sbin/umount. This is bad and i wouldnt appreciate a normal user unmounting my hard disks. What is the proper way?? My version is 5.2-release. Also is there any guides online that tell you how freebsd can be configured as a desktop machine? Thanks vext01 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: desktop freebsd??
On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Edd Barrett wrote: Hi all, I have been using freebsd for my web/database/music server for a while and it has performed flawlessly. good good! However recently I installed freebsd on my desktop too. I can do the things I want to, it just seems that i need to be root to do a lot of things. If I didnt have root, I would be screwed. Also is there any guides online that tell you how freebsd can be configured as a desktop machine? What exactly should your desktop machine be able to do? (I guess you are looking for graphical user enviroment like gnome or kde, but there are dozens of possiblities in the ports tree. And, if you like you also can do many things from the command line using troff, vi, mail, lynx, mc and friends) Regards, Uli. Thanks vext01 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ |Peter Ulrich Kruppa| | Wuppertal | | Germany | +---+ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(const port *) Re: desktop freebsd??
On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 11:30:38 - Edd Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] probably wrote: Hi all, I have been using freebsd for my web/database/music server for a while and it has performed flawlessly. good good! However recently I installed freebsd on my desktop too. I can do the things I want to, it just seems that i need to be root to do a lot of things. If I didnt have root, I would be screwed. One point I find annoying is that I cant workout how a normal user can unmount a fs. I have created ~/cdrom and put an fstab entry in for it. The device is /dev/acd0 (777 for now). vfs.usermount=1. I can mount the share, but not unmount it. For now I have chmod +s /sbin/umount. This is bad and i wouldnt appreciate a normal user unmounting my hard disks. What is the proper way?? My version is 5.2-release. Use sudo. /usr/ports/security/sudo. Or super. Location same. Also is there any guides online that tell you how freebsd can be configured as a desktop machine? /usr/ports/misc/instant-workstation :) Just kidding. It's going to be *your* PC - find out what you like and install what you like. I don't think anyone can recommend you anything - unless you know someone who knows you better than you yourself. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DoubleF Take everything in stride. Trample anyone who gets in your way. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: desktop freebsd??
Perhaps you can use sudo for your normal user and setup the sudoers file for only the privleges you want your normal users to have. HTH, Darryl On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 11:30:38AM -, Edd Barrett wrote: Hi all, I have been using freebsd for my web/database/music server for a while and it has performed flawlessly. good good! However recently I installed freebsd on my desktop too. I can do the things I want to, it just seems that i need to be root to do a lot of things. If I didnt have root, I would be screwed. One point I find annoying is that I cant workout how a normal user can unmount a fs. I have created ~/cdrom and put an fstab entry in for it. The device is /dev/acd0 (777 for now). vfs.usermount=1. I can mount the share, but not unmount it. For now I have chmod +s /sbin/umount. This is bad and i wouldnt appreciate a normal user unmounting my hard disks. What is the proper way?? My version is 5.2-release. Also is there any guides online that tell you how freebsd can be configured as a desktop machine? Thanks vext01 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Darryl N. Grant ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: desktop freebsd??
Edd Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all, I have been using freebsd for my web/database/music server for a while and it has performed flawlessly. good good! However recently I installed freebsd on my desktop too. I can do the things I want to, it just seems that i need to be root to do a lot of things. If I didnt have root, I would be screwed. One point I find annoying is that I cant workout how a normal user can unmount a fs. I have created ~/cdrom and put an fstab entry in for it. The device is /dev/acd0 (777 for now). vfs.usermount=1. I can mount the share, but not unmount it. For now I have chmod +s /sbin/umount. This is bad and i wouldnt appreciate a normal user unmounting my hard disks. What is the proper way?? My version is 5.2-release. Use the automounter. Not only will it save you the need to mount altogether, it's also likely to handle unmounting correctly for you (if not, just do amq -u as a regular user). Details here: http://www.daemonnews.org/200202/automounting.html -- Dan Pelleg ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: desktop freebsd??
Darryl Grant wrote: Perhaps you can use sudo for your normal user and setup the sudoers file for only the privleges you want your normal users to have. HTH, Darryl I've found this to be handy also in Gnome. Assigning sudo ppp -background myisp to an icon gives a better then M$ functionality for my dialup connection. Perhaps something similar could be done for mount/umount of the CD device Any security types out there feel a need to comment? :-) Kevin Kinsey On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 11:30:38AM -, Edd Barrett wrote: Hi all, I have been using freebsd for my web/database/music server for a while and it has performed flawlessly. good good! However recently I installed freebsd on my desktop too. I can do the things I want to, it just seems that i need to be root to do a lot of things. If I didnt have root, I would be screwed. One point I find annoying is that I cant workout how a normal user can unmount a fs. I have created ~/cdrom and put an fstab entry in for it. The device is /dev/acd0 (777 for now). vfs.usermount=1. I can mount the share, but not unmount it. For now I have chmod +s /sbin/umount. This is bad and i wouldnt appreciate a normal user unmounting my hard disks. What is the proper way?? My version is 5.2-release. Also is there any guides online that tell you how freebsd can be configured as a desktop machine? Thanks vext01 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: desktop freebsd??
Make yourself part of the wheel group. That should solve a lot of your problems. On Fri, 2004-02-06 at 05:30, Edd Barrett wrote: Hi all, I have been using freebsd for my web/database/music server for a while and it has performed flawlessly. good good! However recently I installed freebsd on my desktop too. I can do the things I want to, it just seems that i need to be root to do a lot of things. If I didnt have root, I would be screwed. One point I find annoying is that I cant workout how a normal user can unmount a fs. I have created ~/cdrom and put an fstab entry in for it. The device is /dev/acd0 (777 for now). vfs.usermount=1. I can mount the share, but not unmount it. For now I have chmod +s /sbin/umount. This is bad and i wouldnt appreciate a normal user unmounting my hard disks. What is the proper way?? My version is 5.2-release. Also is there any guides online that tell you how freebsd can be configured as a desktop machine? Thanks vext01 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
