the age old 3D hardware question

2008-10-25 Thread xorquewasp
Hello.

I'm looking to buy a new workstation that needs to be able to run in
64-bit (long) mode (working with large data sets). What are my options
for 3D acceleration without binary drivers? My needs are quite minimal,
I'm not running any games.

As far as I can tell, only onboard Intel graphics and some ATI cards can
provide acceleration without blobs. Is this really the case?

I'm currently looking at the cheapest ATI cards as it seems that nobody
makes a motherboard with the Intel onboard graphics that's compatible
with Xeon CPUs. Am I going to be disappointed?

Thanks,
xw.

Please CC: me as I'm not subscribed.
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Re: the age old 3D hardware question

2008-10-25 Thread Wojciech Puchar

I'm looking to buy a new workstation that needs to be able to run in
64-bit (long) mode (working with large data sets). What are my options
for 3D acceleration without binary drivers? My needs are quite minimal,
I'm not running any games.


you actually need 3D accelerator or just fast 2D card?

if second - buy for 50$ (or get for free) used computer, lowest end 
pentium will suffice, plug good PCI graphics in it, and make an X 
terminal to connect to your high-speed computer.


there is one more adventage of it - you may connect more than one :)
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Re: the age old 3D hardware question

2008-10-25 Thread xorquewasp
On 20081025 10:18:01, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
 I'm looking to buy a new workstation that needs to be able to run in
 64-bit (long) mode (working with large data sets). What are my options
 for 3D acceleration without binary drivers? My needs are quite minimal,
 I'm not running any games.

 you actually need 3D accelerator or just fast 2D card?

 if second - buy for 50$ (or get for free) used computer, lowest end 
 pentium will suffice, plug good PCI graphics in it, and make an X terminal 
 to connect to your high-speed computer.

 there is one more adventage of it - you may connect more than one :)

Unfortunately, yeah, I do need 3D acceleration. I'm not running any games
but I am doing some OpenGL development (should've said that in the first
place, really).
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Re: the age old 3D hardware question

2008-10-25 Thread Wojciech Puchar

afaik openGL always requires local display


On Sat, 25 Oct 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 20081025 10:18:01, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

I'm looking to buy a new workstation that needs to be able to run in
64-bit (long) mode (working with large data sets). What are my options
for 3D acceleration without binary drivers? My needs are quite minimal,
I'm not running any games.


you actually need 3D accelerator or just fast 2D card?

if second - buy for 50$ (or get for free) used computer, lowest end
pentium will suffice, plug good PCI graphics in it, and make an X terminal
to connect to your high-speed computer.

there is one more adventage of it - you may connect more than one :)


Unfortunately, yeah, I do need 3D acceleration. I'm not running any games
but I am doing some OpenGL development (should've said that in the first
place, really).
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Re: the age old 3D hardware question

2008-10-25 Thread Bruce Cran





On Sat, 25 Oct 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 20081025 10:18:01, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

I'm looking to buy a new workstation that needs to be able to run in
64-bit (long) mode (working with large data sets). What are my options
for 3D acceleration without binary drivers? My needs are quite 
minimal,

I'm not running any games.


you actually need 3D accelerator or just fast 2D card?

if second - buy for 50$ (or get for free) used computer, lowest end
pentium will suffice, plug good PCI graphics in it, and make an X 
terminal

to connect to your high-speed computer.

there is one more adventage of it - you may connect more than one :)


Unfortunately, yeah, I do need 3D acceleration. I'm not running any 
games

but I am doing some OpenGL development (should've said that in the first
place, really).

Wojciech Puchar wrote:

afaik openGL always requires local display


I would guess the development and testing will be done on the same 
machine.  


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Re: the age old 3D hardware question

2008-10-25 Thread xorquewasp
On 20081025 11:48:02, Bruce Cran wrote:

 I would guess the development and testing will be done on the same machine. 
  
 -- 
 Bruce

If that was a question, then yeah, you're correct.

It seems that I can actually get open acceleration using the r500 series
of ATI cards (the X1950 is the most powerful card supported by Xorg DRI,
apparently).

These cards go for about $20 now...

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Re: the age old 3D hardware question

2008-10-25 Thread Roland Smith
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 08:48:58AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello.
 
 I'm looking to buy a new workstation that needs to be able to run in
 64-bit (long) mode (working with large data sets). What are my options
 for 3D acceleration without binary drivers? My needs are quite minimal,
 I'm not running any games.
 
 As far as I can tell, only onboard Intel graphics and some ATI cards can
 provide acceleration without blobs. Is this really the case?

Yes. Intel should work with a recent driver and drm components in the
kernel.

Recent ATI cards (R600) work in 2D only. 3D support for R5XX ATI chips should
work in the X driver, but you might need recent patches from Robert Noland
for the DRM component in the kernel. 3D support for R600 based cards is
waiting on specs to be provided by ATI.
 
Check out http://www.phoronix.com/ for news about display drivers etc.

Roland
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