Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Release process starting...
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Robert Watson wrote: What I meant was the todo page on www.freebsd.org. Like: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.2R/TODO.html The above link is giving Error 404 : Not found . http://www.freebsd.org/releases/http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.2R/TODO.htmlpage does NOT have a link to 7.2R . Therefore , it is NOT possible to reach that page from .../releases/ page . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: more automated fetch of ISO-IMAGES ports
BitTorrent is NOT always a good solution . I tried it on an approximately 4.5 Giga Bytes iso which came out to be unusable because - direct download is taken minimum 12 hours with a 1024 kilo bits per second down load speed , in average 18 hours from Turkey . - BitTorrent download is reaching in average to 45 hours due to 256 kilo bits up loads where my PC is also used as a server for down loaders to share my downloaded parts . I am not escaping to help to other people but to find a 45 hours continuous time without destructive voltage fluctuations and nearly dedicate a PC so much time is difficult . On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Lars Eggert lars.egg...@nokia.com wrote: On 2009-4-7, at 14:21, Julian Stacey wrote: Perhaps some SOC student might like to develop some extension to fetch, or a new tool to intelligently save net bandwidth human time (if not this year if SOC bids are in, then next) : Intelligently automatically sniff fetch list to see where stuff is, measure the bandwidth, perhaps on a preliminary README, automatically decide where to fetch from. as 2nd stage, give up try elsewhere if the server connection gets too bad. Use BitTorrent for all file distribution, it does all that. Yes, I'm half serious. Lars ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FreeBSD 7.2 RC1 amd64 Installation
Dear All , I have installed FreeBSD 7.2 amd64 RC1 from DVD .iso to test its installation issues . It detected hardware correctly and installed without any problems , but during installation of the packages the following errors occurred : Add of package ...name of package... aborted , error code 1 : apache-1.3.41 links-0.98,1 apache+mod_ssl-1.3.41+2.8.31 ghostscript7-nox11-7.07_20 emacs-22.3 Number of failed packages is significantly less than failed packages of Release 7.1 amd64 installation . Due to failed package installation , at the end Gnome in 7.1 Release and Stable was unusable , at least because terminal was not available in Gnome menus with nearly empty menus . Other points may be the following : (1) During user definition password confirmation is not asked but in root password definition it is asked . For the user , the same password entry box may be re-used for password confirmation without changing screen design because entered password is not plainly visible and during password confirmation it is not necessary to keep it there , and it does not require much work to include it . ( During installation of 7.1 , I carefully first recorded password on paper , entered it , later it did not worked . ) (2) CD/DVD drive is NOT released when the message ... ( be sure to remove any floppies/CDs/DVDs from the drives ) . (3) When shutdown is selected from Gnome menu either by the first user or the root , within displayed dialog box there is no a Shutdown item . It is necessary for the root open a terminal console , and enter shutdown -p now command . PC definition : Intel DG965WH main board with 2 GB memory , PS/2 mouse and keyboard . Installation Options : Starting FreeBSD menu : Default Standard installation Fresh install ( SATA II Disk cleared before start of installation and all of the disk allocated ) Standard boot Disk layout : Default All distributions selected All of the ports categories containing all of the packages selected with the following categories excluded : accessibility ( entries selected on dependency ) chinese , ipv6 , japanese , korean , palm . IPv6 : No DHCP : Yes , Ethernet to ADSL router : Yes , worked . Gateway : No iNetd and Network services : No SSH login : No FTP : No NFS Server : No NFS Client : No Console Settings : No Time zone setting : Yes Mouse : Tested , Worked Packages : Selected , Installed User : Defined Thank you very much Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 RC1 amd64 Installation
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Ken Smith kensm...@cse.buffalo.edu wrote: On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 19:04 -0400, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: To be honest it never occured to me that someone would attempt to install all of the packages (or at least as many as you indicated in your summary that you did). The package failures you mention were almost certainly caused by conflicts (e.g. apache-1.3.41 and apache +mod_ssl-1.3.41+2.8.31 failing because apache-2.2.11_4 got installed first). When deciding what packages to include on the media as of late I haven't been taking the issue of possible conflicts into mind. Like I said I'm afraid it just never occured to me someone would just select virtually all of them as you did. I'll take this into consideration moving forward but just so you know it likely won't be addressed as part of 7.2-REL. It's likely you would need to be at least a little more selective in what packages you install if you want to avoid these sorts of package install failures caused by conflicts. This is a test installation . Therefore installation of all the packages is a testing step . Such a test will show installability of packages and missing parts if any , and possible conflicts . Therefore package selection process rules may be adjusted accordingly . After marking selected packages I inspected every category list toward backward to see whether a last selection reverted a previously marked selection . Such a mark erasing did not occurred . Marking is able to select dependencies but at present it is not de-select conflicting selections . Another reason is that I am writing a multimedia information management system since 1986 and it is continuation of my PhD thesis subject . Concepts coverage is vast and I am studying every possible information sources one by one to learn at least their main ideas . This part is for me . That one is a question for the Gnome folks but I *think* that's the intended behavior unless you configure the machine to launch the graphical interface as part of booting up. :-) -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensm...@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | After installation , FreeBSD boots in terminal mode . In this first boot , I have included gnome_enable=¨YES¨ into rc.conf and re-booted . Thank you very much Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 RC1 amd64 Installation
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:04:26 -0400 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk m.e.sanlit...@gmail.com wrote: (3) When shutdown is selected from Gnome menu either by the first user or the root , within displayed dialog box there is no a Shutdown item . It is necessary for the root open a terminal console , and enter shutdown -p now command . Have you installed sudo? I think those options (suspend/shutdown/hibernate) only get displayed if HAL sees sudo is available. -- Bruce Cran It is very likely , because I had selected all of the packages . I do not know why HAL uses sudo for such a result . Actually I am using FreeBSD 7.1 i386 Stable again all of the packages installed but Gnome shut down menu is NOT affected by selection of sudo . Now I have checked my 7.1 i386 . sudo is installed and Gnome shutdown menu for the user ( not root ) included into operator group for USB mounts shows the menu item shudtdown . This means that there is a difference between i386 and amd64 shutdown rules in Gnome menus . Thank you very much Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 RC1 amd64 Installation
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Manolis Kiagias sonic200...@gmail.comwrote: Bruce Cran wrote: On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:04:26 -0400 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk m.e.sanlit...@gmail.com wrote: (3) When shutdown is selected from Gnome menu either by the first user or the root , within displayed dialog box there is no a Shutdown item . It is necessary for the root open a terminal console , and enter shutdown -p now command . Have you installed sudo? I think those options (suspend/shutdown/hibernate) only get displayed if HAL sees sudo is available. Fact is you will get these options either if you have sudo and your user account is authorized to shutdown / reboot (this is the fallback method though) or if PolicyKit is configured (see /usr/local/etc/PolicyKit/PolicyKit.conf) to allow shutdown/reboot. Entries will look similar to these: match action=org.freedesktop.hal.power-management.shutdown match user=yourusername return result=yes/ /match /match match action=org.freedesktop.hal.power-management.reboot match user=yourusername return result=yes/ /match /match Have a look at http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/halfaq.html for more HAL fun ;) Nearly all of my expressed ideas about FreeBSD is not about my own requirements but especially newly beginning users . This point is utmost importance for me because my profession was the teaching of programming languages to the students in the University by starting from Introduction to computing . In those days computers were not available as they are today . I know how difficult is to make a start to learning to use a computing systems with respect to observations of the students . Then I want to emphasize the points that will be difficult for the new users to overcome at the beginning . If we do not reduce usage difficulty level of FreeBSD as much as possible it will prevent adoption of FreeBSD so much . Why FreeBSD so important for me is not a good question because FreeBSD is an excellent operating system with an immensely invested efforts by its very valuable developers and I think it is second to none . For my own difficulties : I wish - the Handbook includes more examples . - the man pages includes more examples for typical situations . In that respect my idea is that freebsd-questions and other lists contain excellent cases and solutions to them . In those days there is a concept of data mining . Actually these lists are containing very good sample cases and their solutions . By traversing the questions and problems and answers to them may be utilized to enhance the man pages and the handbook . This requires extensive knowledge about the Handbook and man pages which I do not have yet . Knowledgeable FreeBSD developers may contribute to this process . It is known that ideas expressed in mailing lists may be utilized for this process and my opinion is that no one will object to utilization of his/her ideas in such a utilization . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 RC1 amd64 Installation
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Ken Smith kensm...@cse.buffalo.edu wrote: On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 19:04 -0400, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: I'll take this into consideration moving forward but just so you know it likely won't be addressed as part of 7.2-REL. It's likely you would need to be at least a little more selective in what packages you install if you want to avoid these sorts of package install failures caused by conflicts. (1) During package selection if a conflict exits , the user may be warned with a message , for example : Selection of ... requires de-selection of previously selected package(s) ... ( list of packages ) In that way it is possible to make a suitable decision . At present it is necessary to know which packages are conflicting . During a learning process of FreeBSD this causes difficulty . (2) At present , only package names are listed . If it is easy and/or possible a short description of package may be displayed in a separate pane which would be very helpful for selection . All of the descriptions are present in port related FreeBSD web site pages . From there short summaries may be copied . (3) During installation of packages a counter would be informative about progress . And listing of installed packages in a pane shows package dependencies and detailed progress . (4) For unattended installs , when an error occurs it may be listed in another pane and it may be appended to an error message file . At present it is waiting a user entry for enter key pressing . Therefore , at present package install part requires to wait there up to completion . (5) In .../Latest/package_name.tbz directory , only package names are listed . Persons knowing FreeBSD very well can understand attributes of packages but this is difficult at the beginning . Over time addition of short explanatory sentences at the side of package names increases their comprehensibility . (6) When a package is tried to be installed in Mandriva Linux , it is asking Mandriva DVD if it is present in it . Such a technique may be used for port package updates in FreeBSD . After an installation , later on when the user wants to install a new package , pkg_add may check the update web sites . If the package is updated there it installs it from the update site . If it is not updated yet and it is present in installation DVD or CD , pkg_add (and other update utilities also ) displays a message like , for example : install from DVD , enter D for it , install from CD numbered .. , enter C for it , install from update site , enter S for it . ( The user may not have DVD or CD at hand ) In that way , for many installs , FreeBSD web site traffic may be reduced for unnecessary re-downloads . (7) The above ideas may be utilized over time if they are found useful . I am not expecting that they will be implemented instantly because some of them require much work to be done ( this means time and resources ) . Thank you very much . Mehme Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FreeBSD 7.2 RC2 Installation
Dear All , I have installed FreeBSD 7.2 RC2 for testing its installation on a PC with the following configuration : Main board : Asus P5VD2-VM Processor : Pentium 4 3.00 GHz RAM : 2 GB Hard Disk : Seagate ST3250410AS 3.AAC ( 238 475 MB ) SATA II PS/2 Mouse PS/2 Keyboard VGA : On board ( Chip model is not specified in manual , supports up to 2048 x 1536 at 75 Hz, up to 256 MB shared memory ) Dmesg recognized it as vga0 : Generic ISA VGA sc0 : VGA 16 virtual consoles , ... vgapci0 : VGA-compatible display Monitor : Philips 109B6 ( max resolution : 1920 x 1440 , advised resolution : 1600 x 1200 ) re0 : RealTek 8169/8110SC Giga-bit ... : Manual : RealTek RTL 8110SC DVD : TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S202J/SB02 from SysInstall main menu , first DHCP YES selected . Installation : Standard Partition : Existent OS has been deleted , and entire disk allocated to FreeBSD Boot : Standard Choose Distributions : ALL DHCP : Router Detected All of the packages installed with the following exceptions : Categories : accessibility , chinese , ipv6 , japanese , korean , palm , Packages from selected categories : ghostscript7-nox11-7.07_20 apache+mod_ssl-1.3.41+2.8.31 apache-1.3.41 sudo-1.6.9.20 links-2.2,1 lynx-2.8.6.5_5,1 rxvt-2.6,4_5 xorg-vfbserver-1.6.0,1 (1) During package installation the following errors occurred : add of package ,,, aborted , error code 1 : kdemultimedia-4.2.2 xscreensaver-gnome-hacks-5.08 gnome-screesaver-2.26.0 failed . emacs-22.3 (2) After installation , I have included into rc.conf gnome_enable=¨YES¨ After reboot , it gave error dbus_enabled=¨YES¨ is not specified in rc.conf I included this also in rc.conf , and rebooted . Gnome could not be started due to Xorg exited on signal 6 error . I tried xorgconfig -textmode but xorgconfig is not available in release 7.2 RC2 . I tried Xorg -configure and X -config /root/xorg.config.new it exited with signal 11 . startx : Not working . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 RC2 Installation
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk m.e.sanlit...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All , I have installed FreeBSD 7.2 RC2 for testing its installation on a PC with the following configuration : Main board : Asus P5VD2-VM Processor : Pentium 4 3.00 GHz RAM : 2 GB Hard Disk : Seagate ST3250410AS 3.AAC ( 238 475 MB ) SATA II PS/2 Mouse PS/2 Keyboard VGA : On board ( Chip model is not specified in manual , supports up to 2048 x 1536 at 75 Hz, up to 256 MB shared memory ) Dmesg recognized it as vga0 : Generic ISA VGA sc0 : VGA 16 virtual consoles , ... vgapci0 : VGA-compatible display Monitor : Philips 109B6 ( max resolution : 1920 x 1440 , advised resolution : 1600 x 1200 ) re0 : RealTek 8169/8110SC Giga-bit ... : Manual : RealTek RTL 8110SC DVD : TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S202J/SB02 from SysInstall main menu , first DHCP YES selected . Installation : Standard Partition : Existent OS has been deleted , and entire disk allocated to FreeBSD Boot : Standard Choose Distributions : ALL DHCP : Router Detected All of the packages installed with the following exceptions : Categories : accessibility , chinese , ipv6 , japanese , korean , palm , Packages from selected categories : ghostscript7-nox11-7.07_20 apache+mod_ssl-1.3.41+2.8.31 apache-1.3.41 sudo-1.6.9.20 links-2.2,1 lynx-2.8.6.5_5,1 rxvt-2.6,4_5 xorg-vfbserver-1.6.0,1 (1) During package installation the following errors occurred : add of package ,,, aborted , error code 1 : kdemultimedia-4.2.2 xscreensaver-gnome-hacks-5.08 gnome-screesaver-2.26.0 failed . emacs-22.3 (2) After installation , I have included into rc.conf gnome_enable=¨YES¨ After reboot , it gave error dbus_enabled=¨YES¨ is not specified in rc.conf I included this also in rc.conf , and rebooted . Gnome could not be started due to Xorg exited on signal 6 error . I tried xorgconfig -textmode but xorgconfig is not available in release 7.2 RC2 . I tried Xorg -configure and X -config /root/xorg.config.new it exited with signal 11 . startx : Not working . The FreeBSD 7.2 amd64 RC2 has been installed . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 RC2 Installation
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk m.e.sanlit...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk m.e.sanlit...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All , I have installed FreeBSD 7.2 RC2 for testing its installation on a PC with the following configuration : Main board : Asus P5VD2-VM Processor : Pentium 4 3.00 GHz RAM : 2 GB Hard Disk : Seagate ST3250410AS 3.AAC ( 238 475 MB ) SATA II PS/2 Mouse PS/2 Keyboard VGA : On board ( Chip model is not specified in manual , supports up to 2048 x 1536 at 75 Hz, up to 256 MB shared memory ) Dmesg recognized it as vga0 : Generic ISA VGA sc0 : VGA 16 virtual consoles , ... vgapci0 : VGA-compatible display Monitor : Philips 109B6 ( max resolution : 1920 x 1440 , advised resolution : 1600 x 1200 ) re0 : RealTek 8169/8110SC Giga-bit ... : Manual : RealTek RTL 8110SC DVD : TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S202J/SB02 from SysInstall main menu , first DHCP YES selected . Installation : Standard Partition : Existent OS has been deleted , and entire disk allocated to FreeBSD Boot : Standard Choose Distributions : ALL DHCP : Router Detected All of the packages installed with the following exceptions : Categories : accessibility , chinese , ipv6 , japanese , korean , palm , Packages from selected categories : ghostscript7-nox11-7.07_20 apache+mod_ssl-1.3.41+2.8.31 apache-1.3.41 sudo-1.6.9.20 links-2.2,1 lynx-2.8.6.5_5,1 rxvt-2.6,4_5 xorg-vfbserver-1.6.0,1 (1) During package installation the following errors occurred : add of package ,,, aborted , error code 1 : kdemultimedia-4.2.2 xscreensaver-gnome-hacks-5.08 gnome-screesaver-2.26.0 failed . emacs-22.3 (2) After installation , I have included into rc.conf gnome_enable=¨YES¨ After reboot , it gave error dbus_enabled=¨YES¨ is not specified in rc.conf I included this also in rc.conf , and rebooted . Gnome could not be started due to Xorg exited on signal 6 error . I tried xorgconfig -textmode but xorgconfig is not available in release 7.2 RC2 . I tried Xorg -configure and X -config /root/xorg.config.new it exited with signal 11 . startx : Not working . The FreeBSD 7.2 amd64 RC2 has been installed . Onto the same PC , I have attached another hard disk and by connecting SATA and power cables I have made it bootable . I have installed Solaris 10 ( 2008-10 ) . It booted and installed in GUI mode and worked . Then , I have installed FreeBSD 7.2 amd64 RC1 onto the same disk by erasing existing OS . 7.2 amd64 RC! exactly behaved like 7.2 amd64 RC2 . Then , onto the same disk I have installed FreeBSD 7.1 amd64 Release by erasing existing 7.2 amd64 RC1 . I have applied the same steps to make X11 to work . # xorgcfg xorgcfg : Command not found . # xorgconfig It started but I discontinued it . # Xorg -configure # X -config xorg.conf.new Worked . # cp xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf Then I have added to /etc/rc.conf gnome_enable=¨YES¨ After reboot it worked , but very slowly . It detected screen resolution as 1856 x 1392 at 61 Hz with a very nice and clearly readable font . After a new reboot , it worked very well . Conclusion : There is a difference between 7.1 amd64 Release and ( 7.2 amd64 RC1 and RC2 ) behaving differently on the same PC . Error message with Signal 11 is not related to possible hardware failure . The main board is the following : ( Asus P5VD2-VM ) http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=2sYAtam7ng8vCngf I do not know whether such messages are useful or unnecessary , but my aim is to contribute to testing of a release candidate . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 7.2-RC2 Install Feedback
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Ken Smith kensm...@cse.buffalo.edu wrote: On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 08:55 -0500, Jon Loeliger wrote: Also, I banged my head against problems installing emacs (aborted with error -1), until I finally realized that xemacs-21.4 was already installed. I think there was some form of conflict (?) that prevented two versions from being installed. Seemed odd to me in any event, and not very evident why the (package) install was being rejected. This basic issue (package conflicts) has been becoming more and more of a problem. It's not likely we can do anything about it this time around but we'll think a bit more about what to include on the media going forwards. I also found Gnome2 and KDE4 are mutually exclusive due to package conflicts, you need to select one or the other. Just so you know - if there are issues with installing things and errors pop up you can often quickly find what the cause of the error was by pressing Alt-F2. You can get back to the primary screen with Alt-F1. -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensm...@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | In the www.freebsd.org Ports pages , within the descriptions about ports , there is no any information about conflicting packages . In these descriptions , when there is ( are ) conflicted package(s) specifying it with a tag such as Conflicts with : ... would be useful . During installations , or package adds such conflicting packages may be avoided . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 7.2-RC2 Install Feedback
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Ken Smith kensm...@cse.buffalo.eduwrote: On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 08:55 -0500, Jon Loeliger wrote: This basic issue (package conflicts) has been becoming more and more of a problem. It's not likely we can do anything about it this time around but we'll think a bit more about what to include on the media going forwards. I also found Gnome2 and KDE4 are mutually exclusive due to package conflicts, you need to select one or the other. -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensm...@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | (1) I am using always Gnome in FreeBSD ( because KDE in 7.0 was opening forms of executables just like X , and for multiple docked forms this was very annoying) . During installations , I am selecting both Gnome and KDE because some packages are inserted only into KDE menus . If the KDE is not selected , those packages are not available in Gnome menus , and they should be inserted into Gnome menus one by one ( for me , this is a difficult task , because it requires to find proper executable to insert it into menu ) . Within package installation logic , checking not only KDE or Gnome presence but both will eliminate requirement of KDE for Gnome because package executable names will appear also in Gnome menus . (2) In /etc/rc.conf , it is possible to specify gnome_enable , but for KDE , there is no such possibility ( with respect to my present knowledge , but I checked Handbook just now , there is no such a definition ) . Making available KDE_enable in /etc/rc.conf would be useful , also . The users easily may select any of them . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FreeBSD 7.1-Stable i386 and Samsung Syncmaster 2233SN 1920 x 1080 LCD Monitor
Dear All , To the Intel DG965WH main board http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/dg965wh/ I attached a Samsung Syncmaster 2233SN 1920 x 1080 21.5 inches LCD analog monitor http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=itbusinesstype=monitorssubtype=lcdmodel_cd=LS22CMYKF/EN OS : FreeBSD 7.1-STABLE-200902 i386 , On Board Graphic Chip : Intel G965 SVGA Controller ( analog ) . Previous Monitor : Philips 109B6 CRT with 1600 x 1200 resolution . On start-up , when Gnome started ( or before its start ) monitor change detected and a little later four sides of the monitor become black bands having approximately 6 cm width . Middle rectangle filled full of black and grey solid character rectangles like a checker board . The PC locked and did not accept Ctrl-Alt-Backspace key . By resetting it with reset button , it booted again with display of Gnome screen correctly in 1920 x 1080 screen display and mode settings . It worked approximately more than a few minutes without responding to mouse clicks promptly . Then started to normal working . Subsequent re-boots again worked very well . Up to now , mostly I did not mention comparisons of my experiences with other operating systems with the fear that they may be found unnecessary . Now I am thinking that some comparisons may be very useful . These are open source systems and cross references may be found in the following links ( perhaps among others ) : http://fxr.watson.org/ http://lxr.sourceforge.net/ http://lxr.linux.no/ In that way , it is possible to have other sources to study and compare . I tried the above monitor with Kubuntu 9.04 ( 64 bits ) . On start , Kubuntu 9.04 detected monitor change and after Auto adjust progress bar completion ( display of monitor hardware ) , it instantly set the display sizes and monitor mode correctly to 1920 X 1080 without any display distortion . Fedora 10 ( 64 bits ) Linux , CentOS 5.3 ( 64 bits ) Linux , and OpenSolaris 2008.11 Unix , all detected monitor change , but , three of them set the sreen display and monitor mode sizes to 1680 x 1050 . In their Screen Resolution setting menu . largest available size was 1680 x 1050 and other smaller sizes . Presing Auto button of the monitor did not change the display structure . Mandriva Linux Free 2008.0 and 2009.1 ( 32 bits ) . both detected monitor change . Set the display size to 1920 X 1080 but set the monitor mode to 1680 X 1050 losing both sides of the screen ( showing only the middle portion ) . Pressing Auto button of the monitor caused a momentarily full of screen show but changed to the above state . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open Vs Free BSD
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Kip Macy km...@freebsd.org wrote: Individuals in each of the camps (Free, Open, Net) are frequently deeply invested in their platforms of choice to the point where they identify with them. In addition, many if not most of us are only familiar with one of them. Thus, it isn't really fair to ask us to compare the three. You will enjoy more success by asking each of the three projects what their respective strengths are. Cheers, Kip During reading of questions and answers to such comparison issues it is possible to observe one very important ( in my opinion , missing ) concept : In engineering , there is no an abstract better than concept by itself . As an example we may compare : bicycle , motorcycle , car , lorry , bus . aeroplane , boat , ship , transatlantic , train , ... Which one is better than the other one ? If you give an answer that x is better than y you are implicitly using a MEASURE of COMPARISON to solve a PROBLEM . When that the very MEASURE of COMPARISON for the PROBLEM is not specified , the abstract comparison is NOT useful and meaningful . For that reason , it is useful at the beginning to give a description of the problem in precise terms and then ask which tool solves this problem with respect to the others with respect to advantages and disadvantages of the tools . After enumerating these ideas it is possible to make decisions to select an appropriate one which solves the problem as much as possible . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Perennial suggestion to split freebsd-stable into version-specific lists
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: ... Thus, my suggestion. Split what is currently freebsd-stable into one list per branch. This year I even have a better suggestion for the names, freebsd-6@, freebsd-7@, and freebs...@. After the flag day mail sent to the existing -stable list can get an auto-reply explaining the new world order. What do you think? Doug I think , this is a very good idea , because problems of each major version is generally different from the other ones . Even I have the idea about using Handbook separately for each major version . Previously I sent a message about that but it is completely ignored . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Changing ISO filenames
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Ken Smith kensm...@buffalo.edu wrote: People who collect ISO images from more than just the FreeBSD Project have been mentioning it would be nice if FreeBSD was part of the filenames for a while now. I just committed a change to head that will add FreeBSD- to the beginning of the filenames. So for example 9.0-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso becomes FreeBSD-9.0-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso As part of the commit I set a 1-week MFC timer and at that point I will MFC the change to all of the branches we currently target for the Monthly Snapshots (so all the way back to stable/6). That way the filenames will be consistent for all the images generated for the January 2010 Monthly Snapshots. -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensm...@buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | I liked this change ( appending FreeBSD- in front .iso file names ) very much because always I was adding this to downloaded file names . This change will allow also inclusion of these file names in internet search lists . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Unresponsive keyboard after a few boots
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Rohit Grover rgrov...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, this is a USB keyboard. If I plug in an external USB keyboard I get the same behaviour. In the mean time, I have discovered that if I boot the machine with MacOSX and then reboot into FreeBSD, it is very likely that FreeBSD will have no problems with using the keyboard. I am sure that this behaviour is new in 8.0/stable. Now that I have this method, I am willing to dig deeper into this problem and collect more information for debugging. Any ideas on how to proceed? regards, My opinion is that MacOSX is initializing some circuit areas but FreeBSD 8.0 is NOT touching in those areas . Therefore , initialization values from MacOSX are remaining in place and FreeBSD 8.0 is using those values without changing them . This idea is a pure guess , but when FreeBSD 8.0 starts initially and USB key board does not work , there seems that this is most likely possibility . If it is possible the following steps may be useful : Initially start MacOSX , dump all of the related circuit register values . Start FreeBSD 8.0 , repeat the dumping of the related circuit register values . This will give differences between two boots . Initially start FreeBSD and dump all of the related circuit register values . This may require a key board . Problem is to override this requirement . If in the system there is also a PS/2 key board slot , a PS/2 keyboard may be utilized . Another way may be a shell script or program starting on boot automatically to dump the required values . In that case , a key board may not be required . This will show uninitialized values . Related sources may also be studied to understand which areas are left without initializations . Successive boots may clear properly stored circuit register values and they do not initialize them properly . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: fault tolerant web servers on freebsd
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 7:29 AM, Maciej Jan Broniarz gau...@gausus.netwrote: Hi All, I am thinking about building a fault tolerant web servers running FreeBSD. The servers would be serving web sites using jails+apache+php+mysql. Would anyone be so kind, as to give me some advice about building such a solution? I have read a lot about freebsd cluster, but it was focused on computing clusters, and not fault tolerant one. If anyone has some experience with the issue, I'll be very grateful. Best regards, mjb There is a concept : Self-stabilization . There will be a ring of computers working simultaneously . If any one of them fails , others will continue to handle tasks requested from those systems . Such a ring may utilize load-balancing to distribute work load to currently working computers . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-stabilization http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.88.4096rep=rep1type=pdf http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A03uoRZ7YbpLwjUB8W.bvZx4?p=self+stabilizationtoggle=1cop=mssei=UTF-8fr=yfp-t-701 www.selfstabilization.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_balancing_%28computing%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fault_tolerance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Reliability_engineering http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Distributed_computing Actually , FreeBSD itself is an operating system : It manages single computers . You need other software to handle distributed computing . Such a language among others is www.mozart-oz.org *Mozart is available as a FreeBSD port. *Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: amd64 mainboard compatibility list
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Andriy Gapon a...@icyb.net.ua wrote: on 25/06/2010 08:26 Charles Sprickman said the following: While trying to find how not to get burned like we did with some older oddball Supermicro boards, I came across this page: http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/amd64/motherboards.html There is a request up top for new submissions (there are no 8.x entries), is feedback still wanted? If so, I've got a number of bad boards to add. It seems that the list is very outdated and not actively maintained. I cannot stress enough how great it would be if this were updated. I'm server shopping at the moment and after running into various SMP and ACPI issues on some SM boards, I'm quite nervous about committing to any particular model or brand. Nowadays it is generally expected that any amd64 system should just work. Well, that should be almost any, or typical. There is nothing special about amd64 anymore. In certain aspects it's even better than i386. So, if something doesn't properly work, then it's just a bug that should be appropriately reported. Just in case. Were the problems that you encountered amd64-specific? I.e. did they _not_ happen when you tried i386? -- Andriy Gapon _ In the following page , http://www.asus.com/ContentPage.aspx?Content_Type=staticwebpageGlobal=1Content_Id=26 there is a link : http://www.asus.com/websites/global/aboutasus/OS/Linux.pdf In the Linux.pdf , there is a list of ASUS main boards tested and listed for Linux compatibility . Unfortunately , I do not know any FreeBSD related list which contains latest available boards tested for FreeBSD . At least , the above list gives an idea about possible board selections . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS - benchmark tuning before and after doubling RAM
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Dan Langille d...@langille.org wrote: I've been running a ZFS array for about 10 months on a system with 4GB of RAM. I'm about to add another 4GB of RAM. I think this might be an opportune time to run some simple benchmarks and do some tuning. Getting more out of the system is not a priority for me. It does what I need now. However, I do see some merit in writing something up for others to see/follow/learn. The system is running FreeBSD 8.2-PRERELEASE #1: Tue Nov 30 22:07:59 EST 2010 on a 64 bit box. The ZFS array consists of 7x2TB commodity drives on two SiI3124 SATA controllers. The OS runs off a gmirror RAID-1. More details here: http://www.freebsddiary.org/zfs-benchmark.php First, up, I've done a simple bonnie++ benchmark before I add more RAM. I ran this on two different datasets; one with compression enabled, one without. If anyone has suggestions for various tests, option settings, etc, I'm happy to run them and include the results. We have lots of time to play with this. -- Dan Langille - http://langille.org/ I think , you know the following pages : http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+zfs/zfstestsuite http://dlc.sun.com/osol/test/downloads/current/ http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+testing/testsuites http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+testing/zones Some of the links may disappear spontaneously because of restructuring of their respective sites . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS - benchmark tuning before and after doubling RAM
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Dan Langille d...@langille.org wrote: On 1/8/2011 4:33 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Dan Langille d...@langille.org mailto:d...@langille.org wrote: I've been running a ZFS array for about 10 months on a system with 4GB of RAM. I'm about to add another 4GB of RAM. I think this might be an opportune time to run some simple benchmarks and do some tuning. Getting more out of the system is not a priority for me. It does what I need now. However, I do see some merit in writing something up for others to see/follow/learn. The system is running FreeBSD 8.2-PRERELEASE #1: Tue Nov 30 22:07:59 EST 2010 on a 64 bit box. The ZFS array consists of 7x2TB commodity drives on two SiI3124 SATA controllers. The OS runs off a gmirror RAID-1. More details here: http://www.freebsddiary.org/zfs-benchmark.php First, up, I've done a simple bonnie++ benchmark before I add more RAM. I ran this on two different datasets; one with compression enabled, one without. If anyone has suggestions for various tests, option settings, etc, I'm happy to run them and include the results. We have lots of time to play with this. -- Dan Langille - http://langille.org/ I think , you know the following pages : http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+zfs/zfstestsuite http://dlc.sun.com/osol/test/downloads/current/ http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+testing/testsuites http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+testing/zones Some of the links may disappear spontaneously because of restructuring of their respective sites . Looking briefly, them seen to be more aimed at regression testing than a benchmark. They all seem to be the same thing (just different instances). Perhaps I am mistaken, but I will look closer. -- Dan Langille - http://langille.org/ Please , you may assume that , you are testing whether a change in hardware is breaking anything or not , before starting benchmarks . After assuring that anything is not broken , your benchmarks results will be more reliable . The benchmarks may not test all or some required features . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE amd64 Gnome and KDE Slowness
I have installed FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE amd64 on an Intel DG965WH mainboard with 6 GB RAM , 500GB Seagate HDD . When GNOME or KDE is used , their start times are very long as spanning many minutes , and opening of menus in applications such as Firefox , Dolphin , and their other programs are taking many minutes to just open the menu . Clicking any item , is also waiting many minutes to be activated . In that structure , it is not possible to use those desktop environments . After that , I have installed FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE i386 on the same computer . The same actions are performed instantly . After that , I have installed PC-BSD 8.2-RELEASE amd64 . It is just like FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE amd64 : Extremely slow . On FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE amd64 , I have installed FluxBox . Its menus and their items are executed very fast . When a Gnome or KDE ( Dolphin , Ark , K3B ) program is executed from FluxBox , their menus are again very slow , whereas Firefox , Midnight Commander executions are very fast . This case is just related to FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE amd64 . The other 64-bit operating systems are working very well . I have tested memory chips : There is no any error . I have used another 500 GB Seagate HDD : Effects are the same . I could neither be able to understand why this is happening , nor find a cure to this problem . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD partitioning
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Jason Hsu jhsu802...@jasonhsu.com wrote: How does partitioning work in FreeBSD? GParted recognizes FAT16, FAT32, NTFS, ext2, ext3, ext4, swap, and many other formats but labels the FreeBSD partition as unknown. Then there are the sub-partitions within the main FreeBSD partition. I'm finding it much more difficult to learn BSD than it was to learn Linux. However, I'm sure it will be worth it, as BSD is legendary for stability and is the basis for Mac OS and other proprietary systems. -- Jason Hsu jhsu802...@jasonhsu.com In Turkish , there is a phrase : ¨Ne seninle , ne sensiz¨ means : It is not possible to be with you AND it is not possible to be without you . Then , if you learn FreeBSD very well and write a paper about how to use it as a server with respect to the latest releases just like described in your papers about Linux servers , it will be very useful for the other less experienced FreeBSD lovers because preparing a paper like yours from the FreeBSD documentation is not a trivial task ( This is my OPINION evolved over time from starting Version 6.2 without using prior versions ). Your papers about Linux servers are really very good and I will try them to apply . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD
of FreeBSD and it is diverting me to Linux x86_64 . ( GNOME and KDE in PC-BSD Release 8.2 are very slow in amd64 , means they are unusable ) . My suggestion is to use another computer for installing and working on FreeBSD , PC-BSD to properly learn their structure instead of trying to install them in existing hard disk with actually used for other operating systems . If your laptop/computer allows USB boots , it is also possible to use external hard disks for installations and using them . Even they can be installed on USB sticks having sufficient capacity . I prefer external hard disks because their prices are not very higher than USB sticks ( for example , 32 GB USB sticks ranges from $ 55 to $ 110 , whereas external 500 GB HDD prices ranges from $ 68 to $ 100 given in an internet site of a computer shop with the advantage that HDD is much and much faster than USB sticks . ) If your need is daily use of FreeBSD or PC-BSD , PC-BSD is easier to use . Its additional package system is PBI but it is possible to install any port or package from FreeBSD by using pkg_add , pkg_delete , pkg_info , etc. , in an ( administrative terminal window selected from menus ) . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD
, but my concern is when a very high technology is available in FreeBSD , why it is NOT used extensively which it is sure that it is useful for society . Then , what may be the solutions : Instead of pursuing a solid rock Handbook , please include a facility on each page to get opinions , questions of users about information given in that page , and link these responses to TODO pages , to track problems . These opinions or questions will be more informal with respect to problem reports . When the SVN is inspected , in some directories there are man pages along with the corresponding programs . My impression is that each program of the operating system does not have such pairs . For the missing pairs , move man pages into the respective directories and always update man pages when the respective programs are updated to keep man pages as synchronized . Some man pages are really very cryptic which is not possible to understand them . In the ( man page ) display pages of the FreeBSD web site , allow user opinions and questions to be entered and link these to man page TODO lists . In the same way , distribute all of the respective Handbook pages into program directories , and update them with the programs along with man pages . Some Handbook pages may be directly generated form man pages by combining the Handbook page and the man page . This will reduce maintenance requirements . The quality of the Handbook is very high ( and very good ) . This makes it difficult to maintain . Allow simple tutorial pages to be linked and included into Handbook to supply application case studies , etc. At present , these pages are scattered all over the internet and many of them are related to older versions which they are useful for users of these older versions , but new versions do not have respective tutorials . A new user will obviously start from the latest release without having sufficiently available tutorials . The Handbook is NOT a sufficiently detailed tutorial book which its purpose is NOT to be such a detailed tutorial book . It is necessary to enrich it by supplying tutorial page links to its pages which these pages should be stored into FreeBSD servers to protect them from frequent disappearing or modification cases of web sites . Allow people to submit plain text files for possible inclusion into Handbook to be used by other ( developers or committers ) to utilize as starting parts as to be formatted . Every possible contributor may not know SGML sufficiently well . During installation distinguish between server related settings and single user related settings , and select installed configuration files with respect to this structure . It is very obvious that any solution attempt requires human time and monetary allocations . There is a problem : egg from chicken , chicken from egg . A few months ago , www.wikipedia.org collected more than 15 million dollars by a contribution help campaign with participants reaching to approximately 2 million ( if I remember correctly ) persons with average contribution level around 10 dollars . Last year , their need was around 7 million dollars . If it is possible , such campaigns may be arranged yearly by the FreeBSD Foundation to cover development costs . I believe in that FreeBSD is used mainly in servers and owners of these servers will participate such campaigns because outcome will be directly usable by them . The single user persons need a very easily usable highly secure operating systems , therefore they also wish to support the FreeBSD development because their contributions will return to themselves as more high quality operating system . Thank you very much with my best wishes for FreeBSD developers and its users ( with the rest of humanity ) . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Best first desktop BSD distro
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Jason Hsu jhsu802...@jasonhsu.com wrote: Thanks for your thoughts on making the move from Linux to BSD. I'm not making the move because I don't like Linux. Instead, I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word processing, etc.). But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me. It would take too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking. I couldn't figure out what to enter in GRUB to multi-boot Linux and BSD. I tried PC-BSD, GhostBSD, and DragonflyBSD in VirtualBox. I've found PC-BSD agonizingly slow to install and operate, and KDE didn't even boot up when I logged in. GhostBSD has too many things that don't work, such as the keyboard on my laptop and my Internet connection on my desktop. DragonflyBSD didn't boot up in Virtualbox. I recommend Linux Mint as a first Linux distro. It's user-friendly, well-established, widely used, includes codecs/drivers that Ubuntu doesn't, and has a Windows-like user interface. For those with older computers, I recommend Puppy Linux or antiX Linux as a first distro. I'm looking for the analogous choice in the BSD world. So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton can handle it? Please keep in mind that I have a slow Internet connection, and these BSD distros are ENORMOUS. It took some 12-14 hours to download PC-BSD. -- Jason Hsu jhsu802...@jasonhsu.com Please consider http://www.freebsdmall.com/cgi-bin/fm where you may find ready-made DVD or CD , printed Handbook , and others to offset your slow internet link . I do not know your country but it is very likely that you may find ready made FreeBSD or PC-BSD DVD or CD on sale in your country . For a new starter , PC-BSD is good . After studying structure of PC-BSD , it may be a good and pleasing learning work by installing FreeBSD from PC-BSD DVD or directly from FreeBSD released DVD or CDs by following the FreeBSD Handbook . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: boot0 bug?
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Alexander Pyhalov a...@rsu.ru wrote: Hello. I have IBM blade, which is connected to EMC Clarion disk storage (2 FC adapters connected to 2 FC switches, so system sees 4 paths to storage). One lun is provided to the system. The problem is that FreeBSD doesn't boot randomly (at least 1 attempt from 5 boots is unsuccessful). The blade stalls and I see only blank screen. I've tried other operating systems - OpenIndiana b148 and Ubuntu 10.10 - each of them has booted perfectly 10 times without any issues. I don't see any messages from boot1 stage and system is logged in to EMC storage with only one path. When the system boots successfully, I can see on EMC Clarion that it is connected with all paths. I've tried to use boot0 from CURRENT - results are the same (boot fails randomly). How can I debug this issue? Additional info: # uname -a FreeBSD fbsdhost5.xx 8.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE #0 r219027M: Wed Mar 9 15:12:21 MSK 2011 alp@xx:/usr/obj/usr/src-releng-8.2/sys/ibm-hs-21xm-vnet-amd64.releng-8.2 amd64 # camcontrol devlist -v scbus0 on isp0 bus 0: DGC RAID 5 0326 at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (sg0,pass0,da0) DGC RAID 5 0326 at scbus0 target 1 lun 0 (sg1,pass1,da1) at scbus0 target -1 lun -1 () scbus1 on isp1 bus 0: DGC RAID 5 0326 at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (sg2,pass2,da2) DGC RAID 5 0326 at scbus1 target 1 lun 0 (sg3,pass3,da3) at scbus1 target -1 lun -1 () scbus-1 on xpt0 bus 0: at scbus-1 target -1 lun -1 (xpt0) # gmultipath status Name Status Components multipath/fbsdhost5tst N/A da0 da1 da2 da3 # gpart show = 63 33554367 multipath/fbsdhost5tst MBR (16G) 63 33543657 1 freebsd [active] (16G) 33543720 10710 - free - (5.2M) = 0 33543657 multipath/fbsdhost5tsts1 BSD (16G) 016- free - (8.0K) 16 18863577 1 freebsd-ufs (9.0G) 18863593 4194304 2 freebsd-swap (2.0G) 23057897 2097152 4 freebsd-ufs (1.0G) 25155049 8388608 5 freebsd-ufs (4.0G) # boot0cfg -v /dev/multipath/fbsdhost5tst # flag start chs type end chs offset size 1 0x80 0: 1: 1 0xa5 39:254:63 63 33543657 version=2.0 drive=0x80 mask=0xf ticks=182 bell=# (0x23) options=packet,update,nosetdrv volume serial ID 9090-9090 default_selection=F1 (Slice 1) # df Filesystem 1K-blocksUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/multipath/fbsdhost5tsts1a 9129786 4522594 387681054%/ devfs 1 1 0 100%/dev /dev/multipath/fbsdhost5tsts1d 1012974 12 931926 0%/tmp /dev/multipath/fbsdhost5tsts1e 4058062 141846 3591572 4%/var -- Best regards, Alexander Pyhalov, system administrator of Computer Center of Southern Federal University I will mention the following issue similar to above problem as my observation . The problem is NOT only belong to FreeBSD , all of the BSD based operating systems ( such as PC-BSD , NetBSD , DragonFlyBSD ) independent from version numbers are exhibiting the same behavior . Assume an operating system other than BSD based operating systems is booted on my computer ( Intel DG965WH board ) and then it is shut down . When I start the booting of an BSD based operating system , it is exactly crashing at some point , especially when it becomes necessary to accept a user response . In that point it is unknown whether key board is locked or there is another problem . What ever the reason is , it is necessary to hard reset the computer . The second and subsequent boots are successful . When another operating system is booted , the above crash-successes cycle is starting again . Neither of the other operating systems ( mostly Linux and others ) is exhibiting such a behavior what ever is the previously booted operating system . I can say that this issue is only belong to BSD based operating systems . I do not know the reason , but I suspect that there is a missing part in the booting code , especially within initialization code at the beginning . First , unsuccessful boot is setting some value(s) , but itself is crashing , the subsequent booting is using that previously set value(s) and they are succeeding up to the point where the other operating systems is setting that or those value(s) differently . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD and DELL Perc H200
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Vincent Hoffman vi...@unsane.co.uk wrote: On 20/04/2011 21:56, Simon L. B. Nielsen wrote: Unfortunately the latest official snapshots were before the driver was merged. You could try first just to boot on the curent / FreeBSD 9 snapshots and see if it sees your disks at all. You can get the snapshot from ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/201102/ . I don't think there are any other snapshot services still running... so (assuming mps(4) actually works with H200) you need to make a build of stable/8 yourself - the simplest approach is probably to PXE boot the servers and install by hand... but that's of course not a trivial thing if you never tried it before. Actually allbsd seems too be back up and running for -stable http://pub.allbsd.org/FreeBSD-snapshots/ Sadly no -CURRENT snapshots at the moment. Vince ___ I think the files http://people.freebsd.org/~nwhitehorn/bsdinstall-amd64-20110420/bootonly.iso.bz2 http://people.freebsd.org/~nwhitehorn/bsdinstall-amd64-20110420/memstick.bz2 http://people.freebsd.org/~nwhitehorn/bsdinstall-amd64-20110420/release.iso.bz2 in the following directory may be considered latest snapshots : http://people.freebsd.org/~nwhitehorn/bsdinstall-amd64-20110420/ Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: System extremely slow under light load
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Bartosz Fabianowski free...@chillt.dewrote: Sorry to hear none of that helped. It seems a very serious problem, and it would be useful to know if it behaves any better under linux or not. I am still on the hunt for a bootable Linux distribution. I am in the unfortunate situation of having no CD-Rs at hand. And because it is Easter, shops are closed. Most Linux distributions require you to run a proprietary tool from inside Windows or another Linux installation to create a bootable USB medium. I found a USB image for OpenSUSE but that failed to boot. I am continuing to hunt... You need sysctl hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest=C2 instead .. that's what /etc/rc.d/power_profile adjusts when you apply or remove power. I doubt it's likely to help much given the scale of overheating. I use the correct sysctl now, the cx_lowest value changed from C1 to C2 for all CPUs but nothing seems to have changed otherwise: %sysctl dev.cpu | grep cx_usage dev.cpu.0.cx_usage: 100.00% 0.00% last 230us dev.cpu.1.cx_usage: 100.00% 0.00% last 216us dev.cpu.2.cx_usage: 100.00% 0.00% last 159us dev.cpu.3.cx_usage: 100.00% 0.00% last 323us dev.cpu.4.cx_usage: 100.00% 0.00% last 320us dev.cpu.5.cx_usage: 100.00% 0.00% last 357us dev.cpu.6.cx_usage: 100.00% 0.00% last 378us dev.cpu.7.cx_usage: 100.00% 0.00% last 374us That's pretty sad. Not sure what the first two differing by only 1MHz means .. but I'm out of ideas, and my depth. Thanks for all the tips. I will report back once I have had a chance to compare with Linux. If nothing else helps, I will call Dell again in the futile attempt to have them magically fix the issue somehow. - Bartosz ___ Please , see the site http://www.mandriva.com/en/linux/ My opinion is that Mandriva is a very good Linux distribution . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: System extremely slow under light load
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Bartosz Fabianowski free...@chillt.dewrote: Please , see the site http://www.mandriva.com/en/linux/ Thanks for the link. It looks like this a USB with a preinstalled Mandriva Linux on it that you have to buy for €50 though. I am looking for an image that I can just download. - Bartosz There are downloadable free USB files , also . At the right of the page , http://www.mandriva.com/en/flash/ click the link 2009 Rescue iso , which will lead to http://dl1.mandriva.com/flash/rescue/2009.0/ Perhaps they may be useful . Also you may see : http://www.archlinux.org/download/ All available images can be burned to a CD, mounted as an ISO file, or be directly written to a USB stick using a utility like `dd`. http://mir.archlinux.fr/iso/latest/ Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: System extremely slow under light load
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Bartosz Fabianowski free...@chillt.dewrote: click the link 2009 Rescue iso , which will lead to http://dl1.mandriva.com/flash/rescue/2009.0/ Thanks. There is no mention anywhere on the page that the ISO files can be treated as USB boot images as well. Hence, I did not realize they would suit my needs. Also you may see : http://www.archlinux.org/download/ I know ArchLinux ISO files are also bootable from USB. However, Arch provides no LiveCD, just a simple installer. That said, I find Arch to be an excellent distribution. It just does not fit my particular needs at the moment. - Bartosz Please , see : http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1-live/amd64/ http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1-live/i386/ By using dd , you may copy a hybrid .iso to USB stick . If you have USB HDD , also there are HDD .iso images in there . Previously , I copied an arbitrary .iso ( I do not remember which OS ) to a USB stick with dd , and it booted , and installed very well . My idea was to make an experiment about whether an .iso can be booted if it is recorded by dd into a USB stick . It was successful . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: System extremely slow under light load
I have read all of the messages in succession . No one of the messages are mentioning which software is running . Please see my message as http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2011-February/061672.html Please read that message and compare with your case . The above message is went as unnoticed , although the same problem is still valid in FreeBSD 9.0 Current amd64 snapshots by Nathan Whitehorn and PC-BSD 8.2 and 9.0 Current amd64 snapshots . The reason of slowness is as follows : I have started x by startx , then started KDE by startkde in xterm . The reason of slowness is the generated endless amount of error messages . The GNOME is also generating endless amount of error messages displayed on the xterm terminal when it is started from xterm after starting X . When KDE or GNOME is started by the .xinitrc or rc.conf , those messages are NOT seen , but it is exposing itself as a very slow execution steps . During generation of those messages , CPU and other fans fan are becoming crazy . I did not test i386 snapshots . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: System extremely slow under light load
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Bartosz Fabianowski free...@chillt.dewrote: Have you tried just using dd to copy the iso image of a Ubuntu / Linux LiveCD to a suitably sized USB memory stick? It has worked for me in the past. As per Mehmet's tip, I did just that with a Debian image. If it works for Ubuntu images as well then I really wonder why the only documented way is via Unetbootin. - Bartosz ___ To reduce the number of files to maintain , some Linux distributions started to generate .iso files both for CD/DVD burning and USB stick dd copying . Such distributions are mostly called dual or hybrid in their names with .iso extension to distinguish them from only CD/DVD burning .iso files . If an .iso is named for USB without dual or hybrid names , it is very likely that it is prepared in such a way for USB dd copying . With respect to my opinion , most .iso files which they are prepared for CD/DVD burning will be able to boot and install from dd copied USB sticks because .iso is a FILE format , NOT a DEVICE format . The problem is not the file format but the ability of the operating system to use devices . For example , I am seeing operating systems in CD , they are booting from DVD drive ( because BIOS is loading their kernel , etc. ) but failing to install because their kernels , etc. are NOT able to use the DVD drive when they are taking the control of the PC . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: dell latitude 13
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 1:24 AM, Zoran Kolic zko...@sbb.rs wrote: Dear folks! I see threads on the laptop subject, some forums also, but no clue for cheap lapper with freebsd compatibility. There is a chance to get mentioned box for about 450 euros, without OS and with specs like this: Intel Core#2 Duo SU7300 1.3GHz, 3MB L2 cache, FSB 800MHz Intel GS45 Express + Intel ICH9M-Enhanced (chipset) Intel GMA 4500 MHD (graphics) 13.3 1366x768 HD WLED Anti-Glare (screen) Intel Link 5100 IEEE 802.11a/b/g/n WiFi (wifi) ExpressCard 6-cell Li-lon battery FreeDos (OS) I'm aware of something called optimus to optimize graphics and inability to know prior getting laptop home. Someone already has this laptop? To me it looks like it should work out of the box. I tend to like box to be cold and silent. If you have idea or better laptop in the price range, I'd be eager to know. Best regards all Zoran For laptops you may check the following site : http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ Also check FreeBSD Hardware lists such as ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/8.2-RELEASE/HARDWARE.HTM ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/8.2-RELEASE/HARDWARE.HTM for hardware compatibility issues , for example , search Intel GMA 4500 MHD (graphics) , and other chips . It is NOT possible to know in advance without any prior knowledge whether a computer is working with FreeDOS will work with FreeBSD because these are very different systems . Therefore my idea is to avoid FreeDOS loaded computers if it is to be used for FreeBSD or Linux . The producer/seller can install FreeBSD or Linux without cost ( if the computer is NOT a DOS computer , i.e. , FreeBSD ( Unix ) , Linux can work on it ) . Over the years , always my suggestion to my friends is to select at least a computer having Linux installed . If there is Linux on it and it is working it is very likely that it will work with FreeBSD . If you can find a laptop as FreeBSD is installed , it is much better than any other ones . Another way is to test the computer for FreeBSD is to start it with a FreeBSD LiveCD ( This will not show the FreeBSD can be installed and run successfully . Over time , some programs may crash due to missing circuit parts because such parts are NOT included into the circuits because they are NOT necessary for DOS or its children . With a few run , this point can not be understood without applying test programs ( which I do NOT know any such program name ) . Such a feature may turn your computer unusable for you with FreeBSD or Linux over time when it occurs under a required program . ) . As a summary , to such Live CD checks , do NOT rely on much , actually ignore such pseudo-tests . For other BSD related GUI Live CD distributions , you may check the following site : http://www.livebsd.org/ Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:39 AM, John Baldwin j...@freebsd.org wrote: On Friday, December 23, 2011 11:07:56 am Damien Fleuriot wrote: Hey up list, Look, just a rant here. Who in *HELL* thought it would be a cool idea to release no less than FOUR security advisories today ? I mean, couldn't this have waited and remained undisclosed until monday ? I for one do *NOT* relish the idea of updating 50+ boxes this evening and tomorrow ! Not to mention a whole lot of merchants and banks have toggled IT Freeze a few weeks ago, to ensure xmas shopping doesn't get disturbed by production changes. Seriously, this is just irritating. From an e-mail sent to security@ from the security officer: quote Hi all, No, the Grinch didn't steal the FreeBSD security officer GPG key, and your eyes aren't deceiving you: We really did just send out 5 security advisories. The timing, to put it bluntly, sucks. We normally aim to release advisories on Wednesdays in order to maximize the number of system administrators who will be at work already; and we try very hard to avoid issuing advisories any time close to holidays for the same reason. The start of the Christmas weekend -- in some parts of the world it's already Saturday -- is absolutely not when we want to be releasing security advisories. Unfortunately my hand was forced: One of the issues (FreeBSD-SA-11:08.telnetd) is a remote root vulnerability which is being actively exploited in the wild; bugs really don't come any worse than this. On the positive side, most people have moved past telnet and on to SSH by now; but this is still not an issue we could postpone until a more convenient time. While I'm writing, a note to freebsd-update users: FreeBSD-SA-11:07.chroot has a rather messy fix involving adding a new interface to libc; this has the awkward side effect of causing the sizes of some symbols (aka. functions) in libc to change, resulting in cascading changes into many binaries. The long list of updated files is irritating, but isn't a sign that anything in freebsd-update went wrong. /quote -- John Baldwin These vulnerabilities are known many days before in other distributions . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ?
Dear All , There is a thread Why Are You Using FreeBSD ? I think another thread with the specified subject 'Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? may be useful : If you are NOT using FreeBSD for any area or some areas , would you please list those areas with most important first to least important last ? These points may be used to remedy difficulty points over time with respect to importance levels suggested by the users . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD?
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Erich erichfreebsdl...@ovitrap.com wrote: Hi, On 02 June 2012 PM 9:50:22 Kurt Jaeger wrote: Hi! The point he made was actually not a matter of people not reading UPDATING but that UPDATING is oftentimes not updated until after the disruptive/potentially dangerous change has already hit the ports tree. I'm not sure what the solution is for the end user. We have our reference hosts, do daily portupgrades and on those days where all looks fine, pkg_create the whole collection and pkg_delete/pkg_add to production hosts. Still not perfect, but 'good enough'. isn't this what I just suggested to be done by the team? Give the ports tree a new version number and people can fall back to this then. Isn't this solution too simple to be done? Erich In my some previous messages in other threads I mentioned a requirement to have a list of files prepared in context of ports and also for base system . When a part is broken even in a very simple part , neither make nor package managers are able to repair it , because there is no a list of files to check what is present and what is missing . This problem is solved by Kurt Jaeger and possibly by others by maintaining a reference host means to dedicate a computer for this task which is not necessary if such lists are prepared during development of base and ports . For each person , to use such a reference host is not a possibility . In last weeks , during my FreeBSD 9.0 amd64 Release installation , I have scratched my installation due to a wrongly set parameter . I could not understand what is become corrupted , neither make could correct it nor port master or port upgrade or package add . Only it has been cured by installing another operating system onto it . From that point of view , FreeBSD is really a very fragile system . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ?
USB sticks and USB NTFS hard disks in KDE4 and GNOME . In user mode , it could NOT be possible either to automount USB sticks or NTFS USB hard disks . Obviously , everything is set how they are written in Handbook , but NOT working for ME . Dolphin is given a message pointing to HAL Policy Kit . When PolicyKit is searched , it is generating a very long file list which many of them are with the same name in different directories . One of them is responsible from the error message generation . Which one ? Look at the sources : To where ? Look at their web site : Nothing is there . They are working in GhostBSD . Which files are modified by GhostBSD which they are different ones in FreeBSD ? When number of related number of files are considered , it is very difficult to find the differences . After struggling with many fruitless steps , there remains ONLY another step : SWITCH to ANOTHER operating system . It should be remembered that struggling is a TIME EXPENSE and IT IS COSTED . Compare the cost of a Linux or Windows and personal time , and make a decision which one to choose . Another point frequently mentioned is that FreeBSD is leaned toward servers . Only I want to say that , Please , install a CentOS , Debian , or Windows Server trial , and see how a server may be ... Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ?
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Adam Strohl adams-free...@ateamsystems.comwrote: On 6/3/2012 17:51, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: Always I am stressing that to manage FreeBSD, a fair amount of expertise is required which I think this level may be reduced by improving the FreeBSD management by transferring knowledge to its managing parts ( for example : package management , repair of broken parts , installation steps to reach a state like in very easily usable Linux distributions such as Fedora , Mageia , Mandriva , and many others , etc. ) Yeah or a GUI to reduce the need for knowledge transfer. You know what to do by your expertise gained over use , which such an expertise is completely missing in a new comer , and even sometimes in very highly experienced computer professionals because a different operating system reduces them to a little experienced new starter . I agree and your issue with USB sticks proves my point. I've never tried to mount an NTFS USB stick and I'm OK with that. But for you it is a big hassle (understandably so) and it has definitely negatively impacted your view of FreeBSD. Compare the cost of a Linux or Windows and personal time , and make a decision which one to choose . Another point frequently mentioned is that FreeBSD is leaned toward servers . Only I want to say that , Please , install a CentOS , Debian , or Windows Server trial , and see how a server may be ... I manage Windows, CentOS and Debian (and RedHat and a few others) servers too. I've found FreeBSD is more reliable on the whole and takes less time to maintain (which means less expensive for my clients). This is one area where FreeBSD shines. And when things do break it is possible to recover fairly easily. That is another. And yes, in terms of that initial learning curve my experience helps but its the OS that is doing the work here. If I was more experienced with Windows or Linux it wouldn't make them any easier to update, either though. So there is a point at which knowing what to do stops being the limiting issue and its just ok well this is broken now and it can't be cost-effectively fixed. That crossover point is something that is almost never reached with FreeBSD in my experience. All of this is completely parallel and unrelated to your (or another person's) experience as a desktop user though. What you see is USB thumbdrives don't work :) So you decide to use another OS, and probably wouldn't advocate for FreeBSD if presented the chance in a server context because of that experience. That is a shame in my book. (I know I'm putting words in your mouth but its simply to illustrate my thinking on how public perception is formed). All of us are here for like and love for FreeBSD and to make it much more better than the present state . Our goal is to identify gaps and missing parts to fill the gaps and to generate missing parts . Without doing this it is unlikely that FreeBSD will advance by itself . We should be helpful to developers by bringing issues to agenda . Actually and really FreeBSD is a very high quality operating system as a design and an implementation . With its that structure it is an important contribution to humanity welfare . For this , we really thank very much to its developers and supporters in any way . All over the years , my most stressed issue is its easiness of usability , not for my own benefit but for the normal users . I can solve my problems in any way , but the other people are not so much experienced and they are living without benefiting from FreeBSD . Since 1970 , I am in this area ( computing ) . If there were NOT FreeBSD or Linux , we will , MOST LIKELY perhaps still use a console mode operating system with painted by a useless windowing program . If you remember the history , Intel 386 with its 32-bit structure appeared around 1985 , and a famous operating system , perhaps understood that there is no other way than doing this , produced its 32-bit , again painted console mode operating system at 1995 , after 10 years , perhaps because , their vision was that a 640 Kilo Bytes program would be much more than requirements of the people . The contributions made by FreeBSD should NOT be forgotten . A few days ago I was suggesting to a professor to use a Unix which was very fond of computer usage too much at the beginning . He asked Which Unix ? . He is just a user in a different field than in Computer Sciences and Engineering . Which Unix you can advise to use by him ? Please think alternatives : ( I am NOT trying to insult any one , please understand in that way . ) FreeBSD : Installation is now easy . Use : Impossible because of installed structure . PC-BSD : Installation and then use is not possible ( I am trying each one by one , perhaps one day I can reach to a working release ) . GhostBSD : Installation is easy . Use is Easy . It is based on only GNOME
Re: su problem
On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:35 AM, Oliver Fromme o...@lurza.secnetix.dewrote: Sami Halabi sodyn...@gmail.com wrote: I Just finished upgrade from FBSD-8.1-R fresh system to FBSD-8.3-p2. once done, i created regular accounts, in wheel group. first all was okay, but suddenly i found my self blocked out, because i can't ssh as root, and i can't su either, when i su i get this: %su - Password: and it stuck in that state whitout givving me root shell #. What's the output from id? Does it include 0(wheel)? And are you 100% sure that you know the correct root password? If you don't, you will have to drive to the machine and fix it from the console, I'm afraid. There's no other way, unless you discover a yet-unknown local root exploit. ;-) Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd With Perl you can manipulate text, interact with programs, talk over networks, drive Web pages, perform arbitrary precision arithmetic, and write programs that look like Snoopy swearing. Please see , http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=login.accesssektion=5apropos=0manpath=FreeBSD+9.0-RELEASE http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=loginapropos=0sektion=0manpath=FreeBSD+9.0-RELEASEarch=defaultformat=html http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=telnetdsektion=8apropos=0manpath=FreeBSD+9.0-RELEASE http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=login.confsektion=5apropos=0manpath=FreeBSD+9.0-RELEASE and , define remote login capability , otherwise the system will not permit remote root login because of it has dangerous security vulnerability . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Building the kernel and userland with llvm/clang
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:13 AM, David Wolfskill da...@catwhisker.orgwrote: On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 05:53:15PM +0100, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: ... Thanks David, that's helpful information. Good; that was the intent. :-) I'll likely give it a go. So does clang create better binaries and libraries, in terms of performance and such-like? I'm currently reading as much as I can find about clang and its associated tools; however, compilers are quite complex software and learning about them is, for me at least, a lot to take in. I don't know that it creates better code, but I believe that at least some of its error/warning checking may be a bit better: it certainly whines about a fair bit of GNUish code, citing (e.g.) Tautological compares ... and that sort of thing seems as if it's something I'd want to know about if it were my code, so I could fix it. From the time (a few weeks) when I was building stable/9 with both gcc clang (on different slices, sources updated to the same GRN), I got the impression that clang was slower (to compile) than gcc was. I note that I've had no issues at all with interoperation of executables libraries built with gcc clang. I consider this a Good Thing. :-) As I understand the issues, FreeBSD uses a (somewhat modified) version of the last GPLv2-licensed version of gcc, and there is strong incentive to avoid tainting FreeBSD with a GPLv3-licensed version of gcc. Thus, if we want to be able to move forward with our system compiler, we have little choice but to use something other than gcc. clang appears to work, so I plan to exercise it report issues if I encounter them. Peace, david -- David H. Wolfskill da...@catwhisker.org Depriving a girl or boy of an opportunity for education is evil. See http://www.catwhisker.org/~david/publickey.gpg for my public key. With respect to messages from FreeBSD mailing lists , my understanding about GPL issue is as follows : The GPL v3 has severe restrictions about use of its licensed software , especially Libraries . Some commercial companies supporting FreeBSD are using FreeBSD in their proprietary products . The GPL v3 is forcing them to legally in a difficult position . Their rescue from this legal threat is to remove GPL parts from the FreeBSD . The reason of switching to a permissive licensed compiler such as clang/LLVM is that . And reason to stay GPL v2 gcc compiler is that . This gcc compiler blocking is NOT permitting to follow new processor developments . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help review the FAQ
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote: Hey all, The FAQ for FreeBSD needs a significant amount of updating and changing. The first step in that process is to figure out what needs to be changed. If you can a take a moment and thoroughly review just one question and add your comments and concerns it would be immensely helpful. http://wiki.freebsd.org/ThwackAFAQ -- Eitan Adler The following points may be inspected : 4.4.1. What kind of hard drives does FreeBSD support? Requires complete rewrite . 4.4.5. Which CD-ROM drives are supported by FreeBSD? 4.4.6. Which CD-RW drives are supported by FreeBSD? SATA devices ? DVD RW ? Blue-Ray RW ? burncd is not used any more . 6.3. Where can I get CDE for FreeBSD? CDE become open source ( LGPL ). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Desktop_Environment http://cdesktopenv.org/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/ 9.2. How do I move my system over to my huge new disk? 9.3. Will a dangerously dedicated disk endanger my health? 9.6. Why can I not edit the disk label on my ccd(4)? Requires some rewrite with respect do bsdinstall , because sysinstall is not used any more in new distributions . 11.7. What is a virtual console and how do I make more? 11.8. How do I access the virtual consoles from X? Application with KMS effects ? Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help review the FAQ
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote: Hey all, The FAQ for FreeBSD needs a significant amount of updating and changing. The first step in that process is to figure out what needs to be changed. If you can a take a moment and thoroughly review just one question and add your comments and concerns it would be immensely helpful. http://wiki.freebsd.org/ThwackAFAQ -- Eitan Adler Bibliography http://www.amazon.com/Complete-FreeBSD-Documentation-Source/dp/0596005164/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1353351576sr=1-1keywords=The+Complete+FreeBSD The Complete FreeBSD: Documentation from the Source Product Details Paperback: 714 pages Publisher: O'Reilly Media; 4th edition (May 6, 2003) Language: English ISBN-10: 0596005164 ISBN-13: 978-0596005160 Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Will we get a RELEASE-9.1 for Christmas?
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote: Hi, It's definitely not targeted at you. The 9.1 stuff is an intersection of: * personal issues with some of the people involved (ie, real life got to them and that took precedence); * the security incident; * the freebsd cluster shuffling and reshuffling that was going on at the same time From my understanding there's enough hardware. Definitely not a hardware specific problem. The foundation funds and provides plenty of hardware, as well as yahoo and a few other companies. I don't think we're short of i386/amd64 hardware. It's honestly just an intersection of bad timing. Since it's a volunteer project, it's on the timelines of the volunteers in question. I think people are right though when they comment on the lack of communication from the project about this. See the list of things above to understand why communication may not have been terribly great. :-) I'll amend my stuff that will help list: * Donate to the freebsd foundation, along with opening discussions to them about how your organisation uses / relies upon freebsd; * Volunteer to join the release engineering / package building teams, and actively donate manpower to the project. Adrian ___ http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/ http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/ http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/announcements.shtml#fundraising Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FreeBSD Releases *.ISO Information
Dears All , In no one of the following directories : ftp://ftp1.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ISO-IMAGES/8.3/ ftp://ftp1.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ISO-IMAGES/8.4/ ftp://ftp1.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/ ftp://ftp1.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ISO-IMAGES/9.1/ there is a read me file to describe *.iso files and how to use them . For experienced users , such a file may be nonsense , but each year , there are a lot of NEW candiate users grown sufficently in age which many of them may wish to try any of the *.iso files . When there is no any information about them , what can they do ? There is a file in their parent directory : ftp://ftp1.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/README.TXT This file may contain such a descriptive information . Preparing a .html file with links to information about how to burn / record these files may be much more useful : It may contain links to : http://www.freebsd.org/where.html In the above page , there is ONLY a link to the following : http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html ( Chapter 3 Installing FreeBSD 8.X and Earlier ) Inclusion of link to the following page may be useful : http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/bsdinstall.html ( Chapter 2 Installing FreeBSD 9.X and Later ) http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.1R/installation.html : The above page does not contain any information about *.iso files . Some sample pages : http://www.sysresccd.org/Sysresccd-manual-en_How_to_install_SystemRescueCd_on_an_USB-stick http://www.sysresccd.org/Sysresccd-manual-en_Downloading_and_burning http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/try-ubuntu-before-you-install http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/burn-a-dvd-on-windows http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/install-ubuntu-with-windows http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/burn-a-dvd-on-ubuntu http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Releases *.ISO Information
Information in that page may be moved into a page in the respective directory , and release announcements and other pages may have a link to that page . In that way , both requirements may be fulfilled . Main goal is to enable the new users to reach to related information in the shortest possible way . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 3:45 AM, Fabian Wenk fab...@wenks.ch wrote: Hello Mehmet Erol On 08.04.2013 12:02, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: there is a read me file to describe *.iso files and how to use them . When there is no any information about them , what can they do ? For example in the announcement for the release, e.g. here [1] for FreeBSD 9.1 [1] http://www.freebsd.org/**releases/9.1R/announce.html#**availabilityhttp://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.1R/announce.html#availability bye Fabian __**_ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**stablehttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@**freebsd.orgfreebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Bind in FreeBSD, security advisories
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Daniel Kalchev dan...@digsys.bg wrote: On 30.07.13 15:21, Mark Felder wrote: People don't seem upset about not having a webserver, IMAP/POP daemon, or LDAP server in base, so I don't understand what the big deal is about removing BIND. I believe the primary reason these things are not in the base system is that they have plenty of dependencies, with possibly conflicting licenses etc. If the concern is over the rare case when you absolutely need a DNS recursor and there are none you can reach I suppose we should just import Unbound. There are many and good reasons to include an fully featured name server, or at least full recursive resolver. For example, for properly supporting DNSSEC. We could in theory remove the BIND's authoritative name server executable... if that is attracting the SAs. The justification reduce the number of SA's, that is, the bad PR is probably not enough. Going that direction, we should consider Comrade Stalin's maxim FreeBSD exists, there are problems, here is the solution -- no FreeBSD, no problems! :-) Daniel Then , there exists a new problem : There is no FreeBSD ... Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: makefs Sparse Files: NetBSD CLI Compatibility
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Glen Barber g...@freebsd.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 08:10:41AM -0500, Eric van Gyzen wrote: NetBSD's makefs has a -Z flag to create the image as a sparse file. In FreeBSD, the flag is spelled -p. Is there a reason for using a different flag? It would be very nice to preserve CLI compatibility with NetBSD. NetBSD committed first (by one month), and neither change has gone into a release yet, so we should change to match NetBSD. We should do it soon, too, since our change will go into 9.2-RELEASE. If we agree, I'll gladly make the patches, trivial though they'll be. Can you please try the attached patch? Glen .Nd create a file system image from a directory tree or a mtree manifest an mtree +Provided for compatibiltiy with compatibility Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Installing packages from 9.2 Release DVD
Dear All , In sysinstall , there are menu items to install packages from release DVD . In bsdinstall , there is NO such package installation menu items . Another problem is there is no any available information about this subject in the Handbook installation pages ( at least I could not find any one one ) . Is there any such available information link , and is there any possibility to include such information into Handbook pages and Release Notes templates ? When there is no such information , people will use pkg_add -r ... statement although many packages are already in the release DVD which means a large waste of band width . ( Please consider less experienced people : Each year , many persons are entering into an age to try FreeBSD without prior experience about FreeBSD . Lack of necessary information about install is an important obstacle for such new entries . ) Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 12.2-BETA3 Now Available
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 6:35 PM Mason Loring Bliss wrote: > On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 01:08:43AM +, Glen Barber wrote: > > > Note regarding arm SD card images: For convenience for those without > > console access to the system, a freebsd user with a password of > > freebsd is available by default for ssh(1) access. > > Vaguely related... Something I've been wondering recently is whether > there'd be support for the idea of converting /etc/master.passwd, > /etc/passwd, /etc/rc.conf, and /etc/ssh/sshd_config in install media to > symlinks pointing into /tmp/bsdinstall_etc. > > As of today I use mount_unionfs to modify these so I can fire up sshd > inside the installer image live environment, but it does seem like a missed > opportunity to make sshd available usefully out of the box, especially > since the bits are all there already - it's just not possible to make use > of them without some trickery because of the immutable configs. > > -- > Mason Loring Bliss (( If I have not seen as far as others, it is because > ma...@blisses.org )) giants were standing on my shoulders. - Hal > Abelson > My opinion is that , instead of specifying a fixed password in install .iso or .img files , ask these password(s) to installer during install . In that way , live images can be used any time safely because password(s) is(are) unknown beforehand and is(are) only valid upto end of the current session . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Rasberry Pi 4 has no USB
On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 8:26 PM Carl Johnson wrote: > I have an 8GB RPi 4B that I am trying out, but it has no USB response at > all. That means that I can't use a keyboard or mouse, but I can use a > serial console and ethernet. I can plug any USB device into any port, > but there is nothing logged in /var/messages. Running usbconfig as root > just reports 'No device match or lack of permissions'. Running > 'dmesg | grep -i usb' reports only the following lines: > > usb_nop_xceiv0: on ofwbus0 > bcm_xhci0: irq 81 at > device 0.0 on pci2 > usb_needs_explore_all: no devclass > > Running 'pciconf -lv' shows there is a VL805 USB controller present. I > tested this with Linux and everything worked properly. This is a new > computer that I bought only a couple of weeks ago. Does anybody have > any ideas on what this might be, or what I could do to try to figure it > out? > > Thanks in advance for any ideas. > -- > Carl Johnsonca...@peak.org > > ___ > You did not mention which FreeBSD you are using ( please use "uname -a" ) . Personally , I do not know anything about Raspberry Pi with FreeBSD , but , without knowing which FreeBSD you are using , it is very likely that no one will be able to give you any information . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: 13.0-RC5 crash/reboot on cold-start, how do I get a textdump ?
On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 8:46 PM Kurt Jaeger wrote: > Hi! > > I have a new laptop (Lenovo P14s), installed freebsd 13.0-RC5 on it > with ZFS, geli encryption. > > If I cold-start the laptop, the first boot will crash before > going multi-user and reboot, and the next boot will be fine. > > I activated /var/log/kern for kern.*, but the crash happens > so early that nothing is logged. > > How can I get a textdump of that crash ? > > Would boot_ddb="YES" in /boot/loader.conf help ? > > -- > p...@opsec.eu+49 171 3101372Now what ? > ___ > > My opinion ( but not deterministic knowledge ) is that crash is due to initialization of "microcodes" . If a computer has a different operating system other than FreeBSD , such a crash is occurring during the first boot . I think the reason is that parts that are NOT able to use the newly stored microcodes . In a new boot , the above mentioned parts are becoming able to use the stored microcodes during the first boot . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
