Re: [Freedos-user] Linux on FreeDos or vice versa?
On Wednesday 23 March 2005 08:18, Leke Lapinkangas wrote: Is it possible to install Linux on FreeDos or vice versa? Yes, it is possible to run Linux on a DOS system using MonkeyLinux. It is also possible to run FreeDOS (or any other DOS) on Linux with DOSemu or even BOCHS (better, because it emulate the whole PC, not only FreeDOS!) More importantly could I do it on my machine? No. Of course, you can try, because it is *possible*, but the whole thing will go really slow... Emulating is a process which requires a lot of power. For your system I think the best would be an FreeDOS installation. You must have only ~15 MB free disk (to install FreeDOS using the installer), but it is possible to get a nice working FreeDOS even on not more than 1MB (but you have to install everything manually...) If I were you I will not try to install anything else than FreeDOS... I checked out some minimalist distro listings, here's one example... GNU Brutalware Linux Website: http://hysteria.sk/brutalware/ Category: Minimalist Description: Floppy-based Linux distribution. It is designed to boot from 3 floppies on any MSDOS/Windows machine. If you're curious - go. But don't be surprised if the resulting system will not be useable Installing FreeDOS is a far better way - you can even install Win3.1x (in none 386 mode) to have a nice gui :) Fox --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: 2005 Windows Mobile Application Contest Submit applications for Windows Mobile(tm)-based Pocket PCs or Smartphones for the chance to win $25,000 and application distribution. Enter today at http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6882alloc_id=15148op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Re: Linux on FreeDos or vice versa?
Hi Leke Lapinkangas (interesting name...), Is it possible to install Linux on FreeDos or vice versa? More importantly could I do it on my machine? (Which is a 486dx25 with 12MB RAM and plain VGA) A small / old Linux will run in acceptable ways on that kind of PC, I assume. I myself had it running on a Pentium 100-something class machine with 15 MB RAM and 1 MB onboard VGA, for example. However, it will definitely be no big fun. In my case, it was a kernel 2.2 based Linux with fvwm2 GUI. If you start a browser or LaTeX or any office-ish thing in there, even 32 MB RAM are not enough for pleasant speed. As Fox wrote, there are special Linux versions with light kernel and libc, which are optimized for low-memory situations and may even run on 8 MB systems (although you may have to plug the disk to a bigger system for the initial install and for more complex compile runs). If you open a DOSEMU window on Linux, it will usually take 1-2 nonswappable MB and 10-15 MB of further RAM (or space on your swapfile). Any EMS or XMS allocation inside the window will cause DOSEMU to consume more RAM. It will probably not work at all on your 486dx25 system. However, your 486dx has a cache and hardware floating point support, and DOSEMU does not simulate the whole CPU, only hardware like a VGA card and sound card. The latter would be VERY slow on your system, but text mode programs would probably run okay as long as DOSEMU can start at all. You cannot run a Linux session in DOS at all. Actually in PTS-DOS (as far as I remember), you can, because PTS-DOS can store the whole state of DOS somewhere, boot Linux, and then restore the state of DOS when you leave Linux again. In FreeDOS, you can only boot Linux from DOS and later reboot to start DOS again. The best install for YOUR computer, if you have enough harddisk space, is to have Linux and DOS on separate partitions and have a boot menu like Lilo which lets you select either Linux or DOS each time when you boot. Even on 12 MB, Linux can do some interesting things which DOS cannot, but booting pure DOS on that system will give quite good performance for most DOS programs and even some grahpical user interfaces like OpenGEM, Desktop2 or SEAL (check the freedos.org link page). If you own a copy of it, you can even run Windows 3 (but not Windows for Workgroups yet) in standard mode on FreeDOS. Many newer Win programs will insist on 386 mode or Win32s, which do not work in FreeDOS yet, so your Win3 experience will be somewhat limited. Eric --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: 2005 Windows Mobile Application Contest Submit applications for Windows Mobile(tm)-based Pocket PCs or Smartphones for the chance to win $25,000 and application distribution. Enter today at http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6882alloc_id=15148op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Linux on FreeDos or vice versa?
Is it possible to install Linux on FreeDos or vice versa? More importantly could I do it on my machine? COMPAQ LTE Lite 4/25C PROCESSOR TYPE: 80486 PROCESSOR SPEED: 25 mhz COPROCESSOR TYPE: 80487 BUS TYPE: ISA BUS SPEED: 25 mhz MEMORY INFORMATION BASE MEMORY: 640k EXTENDED MEMORY: 11520k EXPANDED MEMORY: 0k VIDEO INFORMATION VIDEO BIOS: IBM VIDEO MEMORY: 256k VIDEO MAXIMUM MODE: VGA Adapter DISPLAY: Color Analog If it is possible to do both ways. Which would be easier? I checked out some minimalist distro listings, here's one example... GNU Brutalware Linux Website: http://hysteria.sk/brutalware/ Category: Minimalist Description: Floppy-based Linux distribution. It is designed to boot from 3 floppies on any MSDOS/Windows machine. ... But I was wondering if anyone had done it and which distro they used. Cheers, Leke. FREE learndirect courses for Merseyside SMEs and individual learners Register at: http://www.connectbusinesscentre.com/learndirect/?mmf See what you can achieve --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: 2005 Windows Mobile Application Contest Submit applications for Windows Mobile(tm)-based Pocket PCs or Smartphones for the chance to win $25,000 and application distribution. Enter today at http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6882alloc_id=15148op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] HTML address for new Help file.
Basil Holloway schreef: Got this reply on forum and have not be able to locate the new Free Dos 9 help file to replace the existing copy on the download program. this is a known bug in htmlhelp program. We don't really know what the cause is, but a recompiled version using kitten library instead of cats seems to fix it (and should be available somewhere, ask on fd-user list if you can't find it) Can anyone please advise download web address. I have the fixed program, but will not redistribute it until next FreeDOS distro, as I need to provide proper credits to the patcher. If anyone feels like creating a diff file, go ahead. patch process and patch documentation by Robert Kircher. - Here is the source I used to build help.exe. The files contained in this archive already incorporate the changes below. ***WARNING*** The help.prj file is the original, unmodified project file. It will *not* build a working help.exe. Here are the steps I used to compile a working help.exe. I copied the CDROM to \CDROM. Next I downloaded zlib from http://www.gzip.org/zlib/zlib121.zip and kitten from http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/lang/libs/cats/kitten-b.zip and placed them in my \XFER directory. Note that I used Borland C++ 3.1. I don't recall if Turbo C 2 has the prj2mak utility. If not then just change the build environment in the IDE by adding kitten.c and removing cats/catdb.lib, or I could send you the whole help.mak file. 1. Create a build directory and change to it md \build cd \build 2. Unpack the help source pkunzip /d \cdrom\freedos\packages\src_base\disk10\helps.zip 3. Create a zlib directory and change to it md \build\zlib cd \build\zlib 4. Unpack the zlib distribution pkunzip /o /d \xfer\zlib121.zip 5. Build zlib make -f msdos\makefile.bor 6. Copy the zlib header and lib files copy zconf.h \build\source\help copy zlib.h \build\source\help\unz copy zlib_l.lib \build\source\help\unz 7. Go to the help src dir cd \build\source\help 8. Create a makefile from the project file prj2mak help.prj 9. Edit the makefile: Change LIBPATH and INCLUDEPATH if appropriate; my compiler is in C:\BC Change line 37 from: cats\catdb.lib to: kitten.obj Add a '+' to the end of line 55 (unzip.obj -- unzip.obj+) then add a line just below it (before the line that says help by itself): kitten.obj Delete line 60, cats\catdb.lib+ Change cl.lib in (the new) line 60 to C:\BC\LIB\cl.lib Note: this step shouldn't be needed but I've always had to do it in other projects; it should be handled by $LIBPATH but isn't always. Add a dependency line for kitten.c, around line 85: kitten.obj: help.cfg kitten.c (make sure it's preceded and followed by a blank line) Save the makefile and exit the editor. 10. Extract the kitten source and header files pkunzip \xfer\kitten-b.zip 11. Edit catdefs.h by changing line 4 from: #include cats\catgets.h to: #include kitten.h 12. In kitten.c, add new line 23: #include io.h /* open, read, close */ then change the #if 1 to #if 0 in line 62. 13. Build it make -f help.mak 14. Compress it upx --best help.exe --- This SF.net email is sponsored by Microsoft Mobile Embedded DevCon 2005 Attend MEDC 2005 May 9-12 in Vegas. Learn more about the latest Windows Embedded(r) Windows Mobile(tm) platforms, applications content. Register by 3/29 save $300 http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6883alloc_id=15149op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: Re: [Freedos-user] HTML address for new Help file.
Bernd Blaauw wrote: Basil Holloway schreef: Got this reply on forum and have not be able to locate the new Free Dos 9 help file ... Can anyone please advise download web address. I have the fixed program, but will not redistribute it until next FreeDOS distro, as I need to provide proper credits to the patcher. If anyone feels like creating a diff file, go ahead. ... I will put together the necessary changes and upload to ibiblio along with a compiled version by tommorow (as I already said I would). For reference, help mirror on ibiblio is at http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/help/ Jeremy --- This SF.net email is sponsored by Microsoft Mobile Embedded DevCon 2005 Attend MEDC 2005 May 9-12 in Vegas. Learn more about the latest Windows Embedded(r) Windows Mobile(tm) platforms, applications content. Register by 3/29 save $300 http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6883alloc_id=15149op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
