Re: [Freedos-user] test

[Johnson Lam]

On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 01:16:13 +0300, you wrote:

Hi Arkady,

>This is test letter to test
>8-bit texts handling on sourceforge.
>
>Это тестовое письмо для теста
>работы с 8-битным текстом на sf.
>
>PS: There 2 paragraphs above (with empty line after each), each with 2 lines
>in it.

Very good, though not everyone can see Cyrillc, and I don't
understand.


Rgds,
Johnson.

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on USB-HD

[Florian Xaver]

Hi,

do you have BIOS-support? My extern hard disk is mapped by BIOS and is  
accessable like any other hard disk. Maybe a BIOS-update helps`?

Bye
  Flo

On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 02:00:17 +0100, Michael McStarfighter  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I searched the last month for an answer how to install FreeDOS on an  
> USB-HD,
> but found nothing. Google hadn't help me, too. If I boot the FreeDOS Disc
> with my USB-HD plugged in, I get every time an "InitDisk Illegal  
> relocation
> entry". Then the starting process is dead and nothing happens anymore.  
> If I
> boot the Disc without any plugged-in USB Devices, it is all ok.
>
> I only want to install the FreeDOS disc on my FAT32 partition, but how  
> ???
>
>
> Thx for an answer.



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Dr-DOS  

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[Freedos-user] FreeDOS on USB-HD

[Michael McStarfighter]

Hi,

I searched the last month for an answer how to install FreeDOS on an USB-HD,
but found nothing. Google hadn't help me, too. If I boot the FreeDOS Disc
with my USB-HD plugged in, I get every time an "InitDisk Illegal relocation
entry". Then the starting process is dead and nothing happens anymore. If I
boot the Disc without any plugged-in USB Devices, it is all ok.

I only want to install the FreeDOS disc on my FAT32 partition, but how ???


Thx for an answer.
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Re: [Freedos-user] test

[Arkady V.Belousov]

Hi!

10-Фев-2007 01:53 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (dima) wrote to
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net:

>> Это тестовое письмо для теста
>> работы с 8-битным текстом на sf.
d> Мне кажется, что тест прошёл успешно.

 Sorry, no - problem was, that sf not reports itself as 8bit-capable,
and postservers was convert letters to base64 before sending them to sf.
Unfortunately, this problem not fixed yet.

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Re: [Freedos-user] test

[dima]

On Sat, 10 Feb 2007, Arkady V.Belousov wrote:

> This is test letter to test
> 8-bit texts handling on sourceforge.
> 
> Это тестовое письмо для теста
> работы с 8-битным текстом на sf.

Мне кажется, что тест прошёл успешно.

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[Freedos-user] test

[Arkady V.Belousov]

This is test letter to test
8-bit texts handling on sourceforge.

Это тестовое письмо для теста
работы с 8-битным текстом на sf.

PS: There 2 paragraphs above (with empty line after each), each with 2 lines
in it.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Questions to memory management, DEVICEHIGH, LOADHIGH

[tom ehlert]

>> When calling "mem.exe /all", I get told, that FreeDOS is using HMA,
>> but that there is still 11Kbytes (11359 bytes) free within HMA.
>> Is it possible to load some drivers into this free area of HMA or
>> to use it in some way?
you can't load anything there (but some smart software could use it)

> That is interesting. Normally, the kernel will use 40 kB of HMA
> for kernel code and the rest for BUFFERS. Maybe you have a line
> BUFFERS=toomany so the kernel could not put them into HMA? Try
> fewer buffers then. For example, try BUFFERS=30. If not all of
> them fit into HMA, then the kernel might have to use low memory
> for more than needed, leaving actually more HMA space unused.
wrong.
of the 64K HMA, ~40K are used by the kernel

   buffers=20
   
reserves 20K as BUFFERS, leaving 11359 Byte 'free' = available for
clever software (which doesn't exist). In the meantime, these 11K are
used as BUFFERS, too (clever, isn't it ? ;)

tom


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Re: [Freedos-user] Questions to memory management, DEVICEHIGH, LOADHIGH

[Eric Auer]

Gunaydin Deniz ;-)

Thanks for the compliments about FreeDOS. Of course it should
not only make you feel like 15 years in the past but also like
a more modern variant of DOS than the one you knew in MS DOS 6.

Usually, FreeDOS memory consumption is quite low. Some ideas:

Only load DOSLFN when you really want to use long file names.

Only load SHARE when you think you need it (for example when
you want to run DOS apps from within Windows)...

Only load DISPLAY when you really need a font with characters
which are not in your VGA BIOS font. For me myself, being able
to show the Euro currency sign on the DOS screen is not worth
10 or more kilobytes of RAM ;-).

Always load HIMEM, because that gives you HMA and XMS, and
with DOS=HIGH and with our default FreeCOM command.com XMS
swapping feature, that already saves quite some memory.

Upgrade from EMM386 to JEMM386 from www.japheth.de, but take
some time to read the docs and to manually tune your JEMM386
config sys line. It can happen easily that the default config
either does not give you much UMB (DOS=UMB / DOS=HIGH,UMB)
space or tries to use UMB areas which are in use by sth else,
like your mainboard or network chipset, and make DOS unstable.

http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?n=FdDocEn.FdInstall
has some more useful hints, and you can even edit it yourself.

> When calling "mem.exe /all", I get told, that FreeDOS is using HMA,
> but that there is still 11Kbytes (11359 bytes) free within HMA.
> Is it possible to load some drivers into this free area of HMA or
> to use it in some way?

That is interesting. Normally, the kernel will use 40 kB of HMA
for kernel code and the rest for BUFFERS. Maybe you have a line
BUFFERS=toomany so the kernel could not put them into HMA? Try
fewer buffers then. For example, try BUFFERS=30. If not all of
them fit into HMA, then the kernel might have to use low memory
for more than needed, leaving actually more HMA space unused.

> I realised that "LOADHIGH" and "DEVICEHIGH" of the original MS-DOS had
> some extra parameter switches (/L and /S). With these one is able to
> specify more directly to which UMB the programs shall be loaded.

I think that such switches are indeed available for LOADHIGH but
actually I never used them, even with MS DOS. It is equally
efficient to just tune things by reordering the drivers, checking
which driver should be loaded after which. Also for DEVICEHIGH.
If you load a driver into the biggest block, then it will not
use more memory than usual. You can also load drivers which use
less memory later, when only smaller areas are left over.

And yes, you can also load device drivers from the command line,
that tool is called DEVLOAD. Devload lets you decide where to
load a driver, but the choice is not as flexible as with LOADHIGH.

> By setting "DOSDATA=UMB" in FDconfig.sys the "BUFFERS", "STACKS",
> "FILES" etc. from FDconfig sys get loaded to UMB

This is correct. If they are scattered around, there should be
no problem. Actually only FILES and BUFFERS should be split:
A small amount in low DOS memory and the rest in UMB and HMA.
You cannot always work in UMB, so a bit stays in low memory.

Do not forget to check mem /d or mem /c or similar output for
further manual tuning :-).

Let me know how far you got. Without UMB, 600kB free should
be quite feasible, and with UMB, you can even get 620kB or more.

To squeeze out even more memory, you could use some "Q" drivers,
but they recently need some tricks to load in FreeDOS. The Q
HIMEM is almost as big as the normal one, but there are tuned
cdrom and shsucdx and udma drivers which are interesting, esp
if you really need the last byte. For me, 600kB is enough :-).

Eric

PS: On modern PCs, more and more ROMs and MMIO spaces float
around in areas which could be used for UMBs in the past, so
you will get only small UMBs on that 2 GB dual core Athlon :-p.


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